149597871 said: The latter claim is interesting, because you called Zelensky's democratically elected government an "installed regime" even though I'm sure you don't have proof for that If you're not knowledgeable about what happened in the events of 2013 - 2014, then just say so. The U.S. State Department had been funding Ukrainian political factions as their proxies. They admitted in a call between former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine at the time, Geoffrey Pyatt (current U.S. ambassador to Greece) that they were intimately involved with the process and had been funding Ukrainian factions to the tune of $5 billion dollars for years. The phone call was intercepted and leaked by Russian intelligence. It was never denied to be them and was widely reported on at the time including even by major Western media outlets such as the BBC. Then these forces in the Euromaidan color revolution movement enacted a violent coup d'etat against the also democratically elected, legal, and internationally-recognized government of Ukraine (recognized by the EU, the U.S., and every country in the world at the time). President Viktor Yanukovych after months of civil unrest agreed to hold early national elections and a deal was brokered with the Polish, French, and German foreign ministers acting as guarantors. It was violated the next day and the Ukrainian president violently deposed and forced to flee the capital in a lawless abrogation of Ukraine's own constitution. Parties were banned and the country purged. Many videos and reports on what was occurring there at the time, the rise of the National Socialist Ukrainian Right Sector, Azov Battalion with its SS Black Sun from Wewelsburg flags, etc. They wanted to use force to get their way then and figured it could be settled that way. Fortunately Russia showed up with bigger force. And don't dismiss it as "nonsense" just because you're uninformed about the facts of what actually happened on the ground and was reported on at that time. 149597871 said: have been defending this invasion in every way possible and showing SIMPathy for Putin from the very beginning, and even go as far as to use the Soviet/Russian spelling of Kyiv. (Nice touch there, I admit.) I've explained why I support the invasion. Someone can disagree, but it isn't like that's going to change my mind one iota or vice versa. As for Kiev, it's been called that for years. It's not an important distinction - people just call place names what they're used to and most familiar with or have fondness for. There are plenty of Russian speakers in Ukraine too. I also call it Kharkov (not Kharkiv). I don't call Swaziland "Eswatini" either along with some other newly renamed places. They were called one thing, then they were called something else for political reasons, and in the future they'll likely be called something else again for political reasons. Who cares? I don't call males as females or females as males either, despite some preferring that. 149597871 said: You seem totally like just any other concerned Western citizen, and not someone who is arguing in bad faith or have OD-ed on RT. I hear this term thrown around a lot and it's very illogical and nonsensical to me. What is "bad faith" in this context? I've been extremely clear and open about what I support and why. Unless you're implying that everyone who disagrees with their country's foreign policy is a Russian agent or something like we're back in the Red Scare and McCarthyite witch hunt days of lunacy in the 1950s again. "If you don't agree with me, you're with the enemy!" Or you must be a communist/terrorist/witch/etc. That's what it sounds like and I hope you're not implying something so mindlessly tribalistic and simple, but I've heard too much of this type of talk recently. It's very closed-minded. I used to look back when reading history textbooks about events like McCarthyism, the Salem Witch Trials, and other ignorant human racial/ethnic/religious/nationalistic tribalism like the Spanish Inquisition, etc. and think "Wow, people were just easily very led around by the nose and brainwashed then, but it could never happen in a more advanced and enlightened era with internet access and critical thinking being more widely valued." But then I realized apparently decades or even centuries didn't change human evolutionary biology and the accompanying psyche which perpetuates arguments like the one you put forward and that it was a naive wish. 149597871 said: Oh, so there is something about Russia you don't like. Another shocking statement. I'm pretty sure 99.9999% of the Russian citizens, including the ones that work for the government, and possibly Putin himself can say the same thing, but it has been an eye-opening. For the record, I also have a few things I don't like about every single country around the world to the extent I've looked into it and care enough about it. I mean I don't even agree with large aspects of the political system either in Russia or any other country, but it's too complicated to get into for the topic here. |
WatchTillTandavaFeb 27, 2022 9:25 AM
QPR said: Not only that, this plane was used to airlift massive equipment that couldn't fit on any other plane, it's a major logistical loss to the whole world, it could also airlift massive amounts of humanitarian aid.I can't believe the AN225 has gone, there was only one, it was literally unique. End of an era. Photos don't actually do justice as to how large it is. |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
Fate_Saber88 said: What are you talking about? Russian troops had no foothold in any highly populated area in Kiyv so far, if anything they send small commando troops that hold for a few hours maximum before retreating, there where no high concentration of Ukrainian troops within the border or near it, and most of the land is an exclusion zone and populated by small villages until they get to kiev, so far their only foothold is on the outskirts on north at Antonov airport which is not able to land any aircraft there anymore. Holding the northern outskirts was expected they still need more numbers to achieve anything inside the city and they have amassed troops only 70 miles from it... All troops that advanced deep into residential Kiev were repulsed promptly, and Russian tactics simply resumes in sending personnel up front to the meat grinder. It would be dumb for the Ukrainians to fight the Russians outside the city on the open area. It doesn't matter if they have 4,000 and a shitty soviet reserve that needs some time to reactivate it, all lost equipment cost way too much for the Russian economy, also when they lose these armored vehicles they lose personnel, and pressure comes back home, Putin expected do capitulate in 48 hours and thought it would be a walk in the park. Which is not being and it's far from the ideal military operation, anyway I'm not responding to this topic anymore, it's clear you are emotional about it, and I'm done with your usual ''It's all disinformation warfare" straw man, there are many sources out there, many veteran YouTubers with combat experience taking on this live, it's not like there is a massive conspiration to hide everything and every single press and YouTuber on this planet is linked to it. There is disinformation on all sides but it's much more universal on the Russian state-controlled side I guarantee. It isn't so much that I'm emotional about the actual topic as much as I changed my tone and responded a bit more aggressively after you and another user wrote rather rude replies to me - I generally don't like to be the one to initiate such mud slinging as I've seen from years of internet debates (and IRL debates) that it leads to nothing productive or of value, but I naturally I don't like to be insulted unprovoked when I haven't done the same to the other person. If they do so to me, I'll either ignore it or respond in kind, depending on my mood. As for the ground situation, those troops being sent in the first wave are just conscripts and a few units doing small scale probing attacks. As I said, we haven't seen seen the bulk of the Russian forces sent in yet. Look to the meeting apparently confirmed to be happening tomorrow on the Ukrainian-Belarusian border after Zelensky agreed to talks. Kiev will be besieged and/or Zelensky will surrender. But we can revisit this in a few days if need be. |
WatchTillTandava said: Sorry if I was rude, but if I replied with a harder tone it's just my usual self. Anyway it's not a conscript force only, they have special or specialized forces in there as well such as the VDV a separate branch of professional soldiers, also I noticed some special gear that wouldn't be handed to conscripts so at least part of the ground fighting force is specialized it would be suicide to send only conscripts. I don't know how far the special forces are gonna make a difference but as discussed yesterday's on Funker350 channel live, it's a team B rather than team A (You're right) but we don't know how team A is gonna respond to the main cause of losses these being NLAWs and Javelins, this war is different than any war we have ever seen, it's the first where NLAWs and Javelins are being used intensively at relatively intermediary numbers.Fate_Saber88 said: What are you talking about? Russian troops had no foothold in any highly populated area in Kiyv so far, if anything they send small commando troops that hold for a few hours maximum before retreating, there where no high concentration of Ukrainian troops within the border or near it, and most of the land is an exclusion zone and populated by small villages until they get to kiev, so far their only foothold is on the outskirts on north at Antonov airport which is not able to land any aircraft there anymore. Holding the northern outskirts was expected they still need more numbers to achieve anything inside the city and they have amassed troops only 70 miles from it... All troops that advanced deep into residential Kiev were repulsed promptly, and Russian tactics simply resumes in sending personnel up front to the meat grinder. It would be dumb for the Ukrainians to fight the Russians outside the city on the open area. It doesn't matter if they have 4,000 and a shitty soviet reserve that needs some time to reactivate it, all lost equipment cost way too much for the Russian economy, also when they lose these armored vehicles they lose personnel, and pressure comes back home, Putin expected do capitulate in 48 hours and thought it would be a walk in the park. Which is not being and it's far from the ideal military operation, anyway I'm not responding to this topic anymore, it's clear you are emotional about it, and I'm done with your usual ''It's all disinformation warfare" straw man, there are many sources out there, many veteran YouTubers with combat experience taking on this live, it's not like there is a massive conspiration to hide everything and every single press and YouTuber on this planet is linked to it. There is disinformation on all sides but it's much more universal on the Russian state-controlled side I guarantee. It isn't so much that I'm emotional about the actual topic as much as I changed my tone and responded a bit more aggressively after you and another user wrote rather rude replies to me - I generally don't like to be the one to initiate such mud slinging as I've seen from years of internet debates (and IRL debates) that it leads to nothing productive or of value, but I naturally I don't like to be insulted unprovoked when I haven't done the same to the other person. If they do so to me, I'll either ignore it or respond in kind, depending on my mood. As for the ground situation, those troops being sent in the first wave are just conscripts and a few units doing small scale probing attacks. As I said, we haven't seen seen the bulk of the Russian forces sent in yet. Look to the meeting apparently confirmed to be happening tomorrow on the Ukrainian-Belarusian border after Zelensky agreed to talks. Kiev will be besieged and/or Zelensky will surrender. But we can revisit this in a few days if need be. |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
| Van with markings "People, wake up!" "This is war!" "Putin is scum!" crashed into the fence at Pukhinskaya square in Moscow and caught fire. https://twitter.com/TOK715C3/status/1498075750188318724 What can I say? Sometimes vans just crash into metal fences and catch fire, like people sometimes fall into rivers and drown despite high railings. = Sky News has reported satellite images of a Russian convoy about 40 miles from Kiev: === Approximate map outlining the front lines in Ukraine as of 02/27/2022. Said to be made by a pro-Russian source. https://twitter.com/miladvisor/status/1498040991726686216?cxt=HHwWkMC-rYqWjsopAAAA === Civilians driving happily down the highway alongside a column of MBTs has been one of the weirdest things of this war https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1498090157370753025?cxt=HHwWgoC--fLDpMopAAAA === Russia has Annexed Belarus. https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1498084587611865090 It's memory-holed but the head of Belarus tried to Annex Russia. Oh how the Mighty have fallen. == Anyone wanna watch https://funker530.com <-- these guys generally vet the videos before they post them === Someone has been documenting verifiable equipment losses in the war thus far. Numbers are skewed heavily toward Russian losses. This is probably because of a lack of photographic evidence for Ukrainian losses due to OPSEC measures taken by the Russian military. https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html |
LoliAnchormanFeb 27, 2022 5:06 PM
| Die like you did by the lake on Naboo. |
LoliAnchorman said: That lonely American Humvee on the report R.I.P :(Van with markings "People, wake up!" "This is war!" "Putin is scum!" crashed into the fence at Pukhinskaya square in Moscow and caught fire. https://twitter.com/TOK715C3/status/1498075750188318724 What can I say? Sometimes vans just crash into metal fences and catch fire, like people sometimes fall into rivers and drown despite high railings. = Sky News has reported satellite images of a Russian convoy about 40 miles from Kiev: === Approximate map outlining the front lines in Ukraine as of 02/27/2022. Said to be made by a pro-Russian source. https://twitter.com/miladvisor/status/1498040991726686216?cxt=HHwWkMC-rYqWjsopAAAA === Civilians driving happily down the highway alongside a column of MBTs has been one of the weirdest things of this war https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1498090157370753025?cxt=HHwWgoC--fLDpMopAAAA === Russia has Annexed Belarus. https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1498084587611865090 It's memory-holed but the head of Belarus tried to Annex Russia. Oh how the Mighty have fallen. == Anyone wanna watch https://funker530.com <-- these guys generally vet the videos before they post them === Someone has been documenting verifiable equipment losses in the war thus far. Numbers are skewed heavily toward Russian losses. This is probably because of a lack of photographic evidence for Ukrainian losses due to OPSEC measures taken by the Russian military. https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
Meusnier said: traed said: I already implied it's a war and indirectly applied a value of scale and frequency to it. I feel calling it just "a war" has an unspoken implication of expecting years of warfare and I don't want to jinx it I guess. I'm basically being optimistic hoping something could solve the situation to not go further nor be left in a situation future attacks can occur. I see, but the existence of Blitzkriege is enough to argue that the definition of war is independent of its duration, be it days or years. Look at Poland in 1939. I prefer to use the term war after it's over or has gone on a long time. |
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WatchTillTandava said: 149597871 said: The latter claim is interesting, because you called Zelensky's democratically elected government an "installed regime" even though I'm sure you don't have proof for that Zelensky was elected in 2019 in a fair and democratic election. The vast majority of Ukrainians support him in this conflict. So no, he wasn't "installed" and unlike Putin, he doesn't have a "regime." The Ukrainian leader prior to 2014 was a Russian puppet and far closer to what you are describing. So yeah, "nonsense." Sorry to hurt your feelings. Now that we got that cleared up, you can keep writing myriads of nonsensical paragraphs reiterating Russian state propaganda while pretending you are some sort of skeptic, despite the fact that you are neither from Eastern Europe nor even speak Russian. You are not someone worth responding to anyway. |
149597871 said: Zelensky was elected in 2019 in a fair and democratic election.[/b] The vast majority of Ukrainians support him in this conflict. So no, he wasn't "installed" and unlike Putin, he doesn't have a "regime." The Ukrainian leader prior to 2014 was a Russian puppet and far closer to what you are describing. So yeah, "nonsense." Sorry to hurt your feelings. Now that we got that cleared up, you can keep writing myriads of nonsensical paragraphs reiterating Russian state propaganda while pretending you are some sort of skeptic, despite the fact that you are neither from Eastern Europe nor even speak Russian. You are not someone worth responding to anyway. The pure nonsense and drivel here is in what you write - I challenge you to refute a single fact I presented, but you're incapable of that apparently. You just ignore facts and respond with whatever indoctrinated talking points and zealotry you conjure up. It's like listening to a State Department press briefing. What you write is ahistorical, contrary to what actually happened in the past, and contrary to what is happening in the present. The government of Ukraine which was illegally overthrown in a violent coup d'etat in 2014 was the legal government, democratically-elected, and internationally recognized by every single country in the world. That is a fact. Can't refute it? Make something up and insult. The U.S. Assistant Secretary of State admitted in a leaked phone call to financing Ukrainian political groups with $5 billion and being intimately involved with helping bring certain factions and individuals identified by name to power, reported even in the BBC. That is a fact. Can't refute it? Make something up and insult. Parties that millions of Ukrainians voted for were banned and purged after this wholly illegal coup d'etat in 2014. That is a fact. Can't refute it? Make something up and insult. The Ukrainian leader illegally and violently overthrown was elected, recognized by every country, and not a "Russian puppet" (Ukraine at this time was playing both sides between the EU and Russian-led Eurasian Economic Union and was considered largely neutral though starting to lean toward Moscow due to being offered favorable terms on a gas deal). The regime installed in 2014 was and has always been a U.S. and NATO puppet, down to Joseph Biden's own son Hunter being installed on the board of Burisma Holdings, the Ukrainian oil and gas company. You've refuted zero and your familiarity with and knowledge of this country and this region is completely and utterly lacking, but I'm sure you'll once again hide my words and try to lamely pretend as if that refutes anything at all. It is this kind of posting with nothing to offer but pure ignorance and insults to cover it up which is not worthy of a response. It's quite disgraceful. All you do is make things up to justify your pre-established beliefs and have zero facts to bring to the table or offer in any way. An inability to counter anything presented. One would think if anything I said was untrue or "propaganda" in any way, then it would be very easy to refute, but it seems to have proven impossible for you. Hopefully Zelensky will be in a Siberian gulag before long. |
WatchTillTandavaFeb 27, 2022 8:57 PM
| Turkish foreign minister: Turkey recognizes the Russian invasion to Ukraine as "war" From CNN's Isil Sariyuce in Istanbul Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said on Sunday that Turkey has decided that Russia’s invasion to Ukraine is a “war.” “Is this a conflict or a war? We decided on that. Article 19 of the Montreux Convention is very clear. This is a war.” he said in a live interview to CNN Turk. Turkey’s recognition is important for the application of 1936 Montreux Convention that regulates naval passage through the Turkish straits. The Montreux Convention gives Turkey certain control over the passage of war ships from Dardanelles and Bosporus Straits that connect the Aegean, the Marmara, and the Black Sea. In peace times, war ships can pass the straits by prior diplomatic notification with certain limitations about the weight of the ships and arms they carry depending on the ship if it belongs to is a Black Sea country or not. During wartime, when Turkey is not at war, warships can use the straits except for those belonging to belligerent states. According to the convention, if Turkey is a part of the war or considers itself threatened with imminent danger of war, it can shut down the straits to the passage of warships that have a coast onto the Black Sea or not. However, as Çavuşoğlu mentions the article 19 of the Montreux Convention provides an exception. The war ships of belligerent countries can return to their base of origin in Black Sea. “Now this conflict has turned into a war, in this case, this is how we apply Montreux for the parties, Russia or Ukraine. Article 19 provides an exception. If the ship of the war country will return to its port, an exception is made. We will implement all the provisions of Montreux with transparency.” This means even if Turkey bans, Russian and Ukrainian ships can return to their base of origin. Çavuşoğlu said when applying the exception countries should not abuse the clause, and added, “I explain Montreux and Turkey’s position." More background: The Montreux Convention gives Turkey control over the passage of vessels through those two key straits. In peacetime and war time, Turkey does not have the right to restrict civilian ships even if Turkey is part of the war. Warships can navigate through the straits during peacetime, but under conditions that restrict aggregate tonnage depending on if they are or are not a Black Sea country and limits the duration of stay in the Black Sea for non-Black Sea nations. Black Sea nations include Bulgaria, Georgia, Romania, Turkey, Russia, and Ukraine. There are also limitations on the caliber of weapons they can carry, and Turkey needs to be notified of the request. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-27-22/h_a8b323ed583e6bd0e1706da806809f7a |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
| Ukrainian website identify KIA Russian soldiers so the Russian public and family relatives get to know their fate. The site is in Russian Language but can be translated to English. From the website: This site was created by representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine. On it you will find information about captured and killed Russian soldiers in Ukraine since the beginning of the occupation. Here we will promptly post photos and videos that we receive from the battlefield. If your relatives or friends are in Ukraine and participate in the war against our people - here you can get information about their fate. Unfortunately, it is difficult to identify a lot of those killed. We deliberately post these photos and videos, you may recognize someone by indirect signs. https://200rf.com/ Edit: Supposedly the website was blocked in Russia but the source is Telegram so can't confirm, still highly likely considering the state media narrative. |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
| EU to supply fighter jets! Russian made jets from Bulgaria, Slovakia, and Poland since those are the ones where Ukrainian Pilots can jump into and use from day one. Largest weapons testing ground in history! https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1010681/jair-bolsonaro-says-brazil-will-not-take-sides-between-russia-and I would imagine if the U.S pumps some of its surpluses like humvees and Bradleys since they are simple to operate. It would help to move their troops. NVGS and other gears as well as far as they don't need much training to operate them. |
Fate_Saber88Feb 27, 2022 11:44 PM
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
| @Fate_Saber88 Lol. Jair Bolsonaro has harsh words for the guy who didn't run away or hide in his palace after getting sneak attacked and is target #1 and his family target #2. https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/26/europe/ukraine-zelensky-evacuation-intl/index.html Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in an impassioned address on Wednesday night that Russian President Vladimir Putin had ordered an invasion of his country but that if Russia attacks, "you will see our faces, not our backs." https://www.axios.com/ukraine-russia-putin-zelensky-invasion-3e5b8783-c4b6-41e9-b6d5-b0706bfedfdf.html I can't help but think that the unexpected reality check they are getting is because they sincerely believe they are fighting progressive liberals and not hardline ultra-nationalists lmao. |
SoverignFeb 28, 2022 1:12 AM
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Reports suggest Belarus - a close Russian ally to Ukraine's north - is going to deploy its own soldiers to fight BBC Voters in Belarus have approved constitutional reforms that will allow the country to host nuclear weapons at a time when the former Soviet republic has become a launchpad for Russian troops invading Ukraine. The people have spoken:  |
| https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/canada/russia-threatens-retaliation-after-hostile-ottawa-protest/ar-AAUpXM7?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531 Lol. The protesters, who then made their way to city hall, were called hostile in a statement by Russia’s foreign ministry. Russia called in Canada’s ambassador to Moscow to lodge a formal protest, Reuters reported. Russia’s foreign ministry also said the country reserves the right to take action if Ottawa does not keep its diplomatic staff safe. I hope Putin and his ten oligarchs know every single nuclear warhead that isn't in China or Russia is aimed at them now. There is talk (captured Wagner Group) that Putin is considering using a limited tactical nuclear explosion to end the war in Ukraine. He has no intentions to actually negotiate. The talk is, if he does that, he is clearly insane, and a limited first strike nuclear exchange will have to occur to remove him. |
SoverignFeb 28, 2022 7:48 AM
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Soverign said: '' Everything going as planned'', Russian state TV about the invasion, meanwhile behind the curtains - ''We better use nuclear blackmail''.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/canada/russia-threatens-retaliation-after-hostile-ottawa-protest/ar-AAUpXM7?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531 Lol. The protesters, who then made their way to city hall, were called hostile in a statement by Russia’s foreign ministry. Russia called in Canada’s ambassador to Moscow to lodge a formal protest, Reuters reported. Russia’s foreign ministry also said the country reserves the right to take action if Ottawa does not keep its diplomatic staff safe. I hope Putin and his ten oligarchs know every single nuclear warhead that isn't in China or Russia is aimed at them now. There is talk that Putin is considering using a limited tactical nuclear explosion to end the war in Ukraine. The talk is, if he does that, he is clearly insane, and a limited first strike nuclear exchange will have to occur. |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
149597871 said: Reports suggest Belarus - a close Russian ally to Ukraine's north - is going to deploy its own soldiers to fight BBC Voters in Belarus have approved constitutional reforms that will allow the country to host nuclear weapons at a time when the former Soviet republic has become a launchpad for Russian troops invading Ukraine. The people have spoken: do you trust the fairness of the vote? |
As of now, I'm 100% Aladeen that there could have been something wrong with this referendum. Since loli isn't here to give us the updates, here's some heavy fire on civilian areas by the Russian army. https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1498307841739956225 |
149597871Feb 28, 2022 8:17 AM
149597871 said: These civilian strikes just makes Ukrainian civies more belligerent, but our pro Russian military advisors told us that everything is going as planned, maybe that's why Putin started the nuclear blackmail and Belarus is being called on.As of now, I'm 100% Aladeen that there could have been something wrong with this referendum. Since loli isn't here to give us the updates, here's some heavy fire on civilian areas by the Russian army. https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1498307841739956225 |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
| The Russian supply chain Our military is taking notes, and... The Russians forgot we no longer live in the 1960s, this is modern warfare, wake up Russia. The big question is, how is Russia going to deal with their wounded veterans, do they even have a VA equivalent? this is the first major scale war for them in 30 years, I don't think they are prepared to take care of veterans with PTSD or the ones that lost their limbs. This war is a complete failure for Putin. |
Fate_Saber88Feb 28, 2022 9:21 AM
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
| Russian troops are probably demoralized by now. They thought people would welcome them as liberators like the Iraqi welcomed the US troops. Apparently, some even thought it is a training exercise and were tricked into joining the war according to interviews with various POWs. Instead, they found themselves invading a country of 44 million people who are ready to fight to the death. I think even Putin himself started believing in his own lies and thought that it will all end in 2 days, and now he has no plan other than make nuclear threats and throw more lives into the fray. |
149597871Feb 28, 2022 9:37 AM
| Today, February 28th 2022, Switzerland sanctions Russia, pick a side, and breaks its neutral status! Switzerland breaks neutral status to sanction Russia over Ukraine invasion Switzerland broke its historically neutral status to sanction Russia over its invasion of Ukraine. In a statement on Monday, Switzerland's Federal Council said it would adopt sanctions against Russia effective immediately. The measures, it said, would match those of the European Union, of which Switzerland is not a member. The sanctions package targets various Russian companies and individuals and involves freezing the personal assets of President Vladimir Putin, Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. The council said it would also close its airspace to all flights from Russia and "all movements of aircraft with Russian markings," bar people close to Putin from entering Switzerland, and send relief supplies to Poland to help with settling Ukrainian refugees. "Switzerland reaffirms its solidarity with Ukraine and its people," the statement said. The US, the UK, and the EU imposed sanctions on Russian companies and individuals after Putin ordered troops into Ukraine last week. Putin on Sunday put Russia's nuclear-deterrent forces on high alert, saying that was a response to "illegitimate Western sanctions." Russia's invasion of Ukraine — the biggest conflict in Europe since World War II — has prompted many historically neutral countries in the West to impose sanctions or send weapons. Sweden said on Sunday that it was sending military aid, including anti-tank weapons, to Ukraine, breaking its decades-long tradition of not sending weapons to countries in armed conflict. The last time Sweden did so was in 1939, when the Soviet Union invaded Finland, Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson told reporters. Also on Sunday, the EU announced plans to purchase and deliver weapons to Ukraine, marking the first time the bloc has ever bought and sent weapons to a country under attack. https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-sanctions-russia-breaks-neutral-status-ukraine-invasion-2022-2 |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
As Russia pounded Ukraine in the opening days of its invasion, the defenders credited a new piece of equipment with helping them fight back — the Bayraktar TB2 drone. Videos shared by the Ukrainian military showed at least one strike appearing to tear apart a column of Russian tanks and other armored vehicles. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-credits-turkish-drones-with-eviscerating-russian-tanks-and-armor-in-their-first-use-in-a-major-conflict/ar-AAUqhwg?ocid=msedgntp Tough times to be a Russian soldier. Those things are terrifying. https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1498371888304766984 (viewer discretion is advised) |
149597871 said: Too bad for them, they did not learn that drones are essential in modern warfare.As Russia pounded Ukraine in the opening days of its invasion, the defenders credited a new piece of equipment with helping them fight back — the Bayraktar TB2 drone. Videos shared by the Ukrainian military showed at least one strike appearing to tear apart a column of Russian tanks and other armored vehicles. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-credits-turkish-drones-with-eviscerating-russian-tanks-and-armor-in-their-first-use-in-a-major-conflict/ar-AAUqhwg?ocid=msedgntp Tough times to be a Russian soldier. Those things are terrifying. https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1498371888304766984 (viewer discretion is advised) The Russian military operates a fleet of about 500 drones.6 Russian officials stress that short-range drones are the most needed in the armed forces.7 While the development of advanced drones obviously poses a significant technological challenge to the Russian defense industry, indigenous production has slowly progressed in the mini and tactical UAV categories (although in the latter category, Russian products lag behind the systems of leading competitors).8 The Russian MoD has tested and placed orders for small drones such as the Eleron-3SV (Enics, Kazan), the Granat and the Takhion (Izhmash Unmanned Systems, Izhevsk), and the Korsar (United Instrument Manufacturing Corporation, Rostec, currently in testing).9 In 2013, the Russian Air Force Academy began receiving the lightweight (18 kilogram) Orlan-10 (Special Technological Center, St. Petersburg). The Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) is equipped with Zala drones (Zala Aero Group, Izhevsk), while the Border Guards have been using Zala-421, Irkut-10 (Irkut company), and Orlan systems.10 These are mainly tactical systems. Their small weight does not allow them to be equipped with complex payloads and used as weapon platforms. http://drones.cnas.org/reports/a-perspective-on-russia/ |
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| 1 hour ago (18:31 GMT) Ukraine makes offer to Russian soldiers who lay down weapons Ukrainian Defence Minister Oleksii Reznikov has appealed to Russian soldiers, saying they will receive full amnesty and monetary compensation if they lay down their weapons. “Those of you who do not want to become a murderer and die can save yourselves,” he said in a post on social media. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/28/ukraine-russia-talks-due-to-begin-early-on-monday-live-news |
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Fate_Saber88 said: Switzerland was only on the paper considered "neutral". In fact, it was much rather semi-neutral, which helped the Federal Republic of Germany get back faster after WWIISwitzerland broke its historically neutral status to sanction Russia over its invasion of Ukraine. But in this case, it's a shame they're following our stupid government as well |
Noboru said: Didin't they maintained neutrality during WW2 due to accepting store pillaged items for the Nazis?Fate_Saber88 said: Switzerland was only on the paper considered "neutral". In fact, it was much rather semi-neutral, which helped the Federal Republic of Germany get back faster after WWIISwitzerland broke its historically neutral status to sanction Russia over its invasion of Ukraine. But in this case, it's a shame they're following our stupid government as well |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
Fate_Saber88 said: I would call that more in favor to them, which was better for Germany. But now, it's worseNoboru said: Didin't they maintained neutrality during WW2 due to accepting store pillaged items for the Nazis?Switzerland was only on the paper considered "neutral". In fact, it was much rather semi-neutral, which helped the Federal Republic of Germany get back faster after WWII But in this case, it's a shame they're following our stupid government as well |
Soverign said: I hope Putin and his ten oligarchs know every single nuclear warhead that isn't in China or Russia is aimed at them now. The U.S.', Britain's, and France's nuclear warheads? Sure (not literally every single one, but interpreting it liberally I take your meaning). Definitely not India's, Pakistan's, North Korea's, and probably not Israel's. Noboru said: Fate_Saber88 said: Switzerland was only on the paper considered "neutral". In fact, it was much rather semi-neutral, which helped the Federal Republic of Germany get back faster after WWIISwitzerland broke its historically neutral status to sanction Russia over its invasion of Ukraine. But in this case, it's a shame they're following our stupid government as well This. Switzerland's much-hailed longstanding historical neutrality has been largely symbolic, ceremonial, and rather just on paper for a while now. I view them much like Vatican City - On paper they are one thing and not beholden to the sway of major geopolitical camps, but in reality, they don't have the hard power or will on their own to not basically echo some reflection of what the hegemon in their region/sphere is. Just like the city-state of Vatican City after the Lateran Accords cooperated with Fascist Italy and NS Germany because the Axis powers controlled most of continental Europe and called the shots. Switzerland even broke its "neutrality" in 2011 to enact moves against Libya. A country that was essentially of zero threat to them or any other country in Europe militarily. Obviously because they knew once NATO intervened directly with its massive bombing campaign that the country would fall and be no more as a state, so wouldn't have a voice to raise in diplomatic affairs in protest or complaint. Their neutrality has been very superficial and self-serving for some time. It's clear that when push comes to shove they'll break it for whichever major power they're most beholden to. |
WatchTillTandavaFeb 28, 2022 2:36 PM
WatchTillTandava said: Very well said and thanks for providing a good summaryIt's clear that when push comes to shove they'll break it for whichever major power they're most beholden to. Are there even true neutral countries? Since you cannot really count the Nordic countries as "neutral", either |
Noboru said: Very well said and thanks for providing a good summary Are there even true neutral countries? Since you cannot really count the Nordic countries as "neutral", either Thanks; glad to. Yeah, the Nordic countries aren't either (especially Denmark, Norway, and Iceland, which are in NATO). Sweden and Finland were more neutral during the Cold War than post-1991 and now, because the geopolitical map of Europe shifted so radically. The Soviet and Eastern bloc side used to have all of Eastern Europe, southeastern Europe/the Balkans (even though Yugoslavia was more independent/maverick as a somewhat separate power from Moscow), parts of Central Europe and all the way into half of Berlin. Not to mention all the parts of Eastern Europe and Central Asia that were part of the Soviet Union directly. Basically, what I mean to say is, when Russia in the form of its predecessor state the Soviet Union, was more powerful, Finland and Sweden were more neutral to reflect this geopolitical reality on the ground as they were at a higher risk of being attacked if they chose to come down too strongly on one side. The term for the Finnish foreign policy was "Finlandization" at this time, where it kept amicable working relations with both the U.S.-led Western bloc and Soviet-led Eastern bloc. It could be thought of as neutrality or a mere survival strategy, but what's clear is it increasingly went out the window post-Cold War even though it hasn't been abandoned entirely (Finland joining NATO would be the death of this approach). And that's just on hard power military alignment. Politically, economically, and culturally they are closer to the West and intentionally try to be so. I would say there are no true neutral countries in Europe today. It's a sliding scale, so some are moreso than others, like Finland and Sweden being moreso than Denmark/Norway/Iceland but not really. Switzerland not for reasons explained. Austria is like Switzerland except less so since it's part of the EU; yes, it's not part of NATO, but it's considered an unnecessary formality since it's landlocked by surrounding NATO countries, so it's better for them to maintain the fig leaf of the terms of 1955 (conditions for post-war Austrian reunification). The one that stays out of things the most is Cyprus because they have their own problems with Turkish-occupied northern Cyprus and are a financial hub and money laundering centre for all sides, but they're still formally part of a bloc (not NATO, but EU). Actually, the country I think with the best foreign policy in terms of actually maintaining a credible and upheld neutrality and one which has proven beneficial for the interests of their own nation is in the Middle East - Oman. It's one of the Gulf states and monarchies, and is the only one like that. The man responsible for that is Sultan Qaboos who deposed his father in a coup and took and maintained power early in his reign with British assistance. He has close working relations with the U.S. and Britain (attended Sandhurst, a British military academy), but also this entire time during the conflicts and crises of the past 10+ years, kept good relations with Russia and never broke off ties with U.S./West's biggest enemies in the region with relations still with Iran and Syria. Refuses to participate generally in ganging up against one country even if it's sanctioned or attacked by the regional and global powers. Refused to join Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen, which they border. They did join the Gulf War against Ba'athist Iraq though, but that's because I think there was a real fear Iraq was going to conquer the whole Arabian peninsula/Gulf region. I haven't followed the state of their foreign policy much in the past few years though and Sultan Qaboos died a little over two years ago in January of 2020. I was there for a few weeks in April of 2016. It's a very traditional society. They didn't ban slavery until 1970. It's an absolute monarchy dictatorship with widescale censorship in the press on everything. But the people in large cities and small towns and villages alike seem genuinely happy with their lives and what they have and generally credit a lot to the government which has done a lot for the infrastructure and development of the country (when the last sultan took over, there were only 3 km of paved roads, one hospital, only Quranic schools for boys in the country, and even modern kitchen appliances like toasters were banned) . I think more nation-states should follow this model. Actually look inward and do something worthwhile and productive for the betterment of their own population's quality of life rather than go around different regions and the world looking to pick fights and start wars with other countries for no reason with a crusader mentality. This is the sickness I see in the U.S. and Europe and a few other countries in this bloc. Make life the best you can at home for the people actually living in your territory before moral grandstanding about and trying to interfere in other countries and how they live. I feel like this mentality never went away from the age of medieval Christianity with the Crusader knights. It just became secularized and repackaged under the banner of liberal-humanism and capitalism. It's why there's war without end. So tired of the forever war mentality. We need more neutral countries that actually give a damn about their own people and not grandstanding vanity projects like empires abroad. 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WatchTillTandavaFeb 28, 2022 4:57 PM
| Western Military Observers Shocked at How Badly Russia's Military Is Doing Multiple sources told VICE News that NATO military officials have been surprised by both Russian incompetence in the field and the fierce Ukrainian resistance. The Russian invasion of Ukraine has both surprised and informed Western military onlookers, who are getting a better view of what the Kremlin’s forces are capable of in the field. And so far they aren’t impressed. Multiple Western military sources who spoke to VICE News on background and on the condition of anonymity, because they weren’t authorized to speak with the media, say their opinion of Russia’s military abilities has gone down. “What I’m seeing is unbelievable,” said a source involved in the special forces community. “I think this is why they pivoted so hard toward influence operations,” they added, referring to Russia’s well-established meddling and troll farms used against Western democracies in recent years. In the last several days, Russian forces have continued to hammer both the eastern Ukraine city of Kharkiv and the capital Kyiv with heavy bombing, while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy claims Russian troops have sustained at least 4,500 casualties. Ukraine’s defence forces, bolstered by civilian volunteers, have managed to keep Russian forces from overrunning Ukraine’s two biggest cities, although the on-the-ground fighting has moved closer to those locations. Ukraine has claimed it has severely damaged Russia’s supply lines, slowing the advance. Another military source told VICE News that officials and analysts within the U.S. military were “psyched” to see what types of weapons and hardware their Russian adversaries are using and how their airstrike tradecraft and radar systems work. The brutal war, which has already claimed thousands of lives since it began last Thursday, also offers the chance to gain intelligence about Russian military operations and how they’ve evolved in recent years. “We haven’t seen them in a war like this in years,” a source said. “Even Syria wasn’t the same. This is a huge sample size.” Though Russia recently sent troops to the war in Syria—mostly special operations forces and airpower—and in the war in Donbas (in a covert and unofficial capacity)—the current invasion of Ukraine has involved hundreds of thousands of troops and everything in the tool kit of the Russian military. As one source noted, Russia has gotten to watch and take notes over two decades of NATO wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. Russia hasn’t fought a war of this magnitude since the war in Chechnya, which occurred in 1994, several years after the collapse of the Soviet Union. But President Vladimir Putin has poured money and resources into the Russian military in a bid to modernize it as a modern fighting force capable of going up against any NATO military coalition. The sources pointed out just how shocked many in the broader NATO military community were at how incompetent Russian soldiers appeared, especially the officer and non-commissioned officer corps. Many described the professionalism and efficiency of the entire Russian military operations in Ukraine as unimpressive and sloppy. Similarly surprising to the Western military community is just how good the performance of Ukrainian soldiers has been. Besides the prolific exploits of Ukrainian anti-aircraft operations (so much that there’s an urban legend of an Ukrainian fighter pilot ace known as the “Ghost of Kyiv”), Ukrainian units have also stood up against Russian special forces and won. Part of their success so far are the will and inspiration to fight (valuable to any fighting force), along with the steps Ukraine has taken since 2014 to improve its military, such as the NATO training its soldiers have received. For example, even Ukraine’s ability to fly and lethally deploy the Turkish drone systems that first upset President Vladimir Putin in late 2021, without Russian air defense shooting them down has been surprising given its air superiority. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian military is publishing videos claiming to show their successful attacks, which have been incredibly valuable for morale and drawing support from Western allies. https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7vx43/nato-russian-military-performance |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
Fate_Saber88 said: I understand that the Russian casualties arent fully verified, but the Ukrainian defense is quite surprising at this point. Western Military Observers Shocked at How Badly Russia's Military Is Doing Multiple sources told VICE News that NATO military officials have been surprised by both Russian incompetence in the field and the fierce Ukrainian resistance. The Russian invasion of Ukraine has both surprised and informed Western military onlookers, who are getting a better view of what the Kremlin’s forces are capable of in the field. And so far they aren’t impressed. Multiple Western military sources who spoke to VICE News on background and on the condition of anonymity, because they weren’t authorized to speak with the media, say their opinion of Russia’s military abilities has gone down. “What I’m seeing is unbelievable,” said a source involved in the special forces community. “I think this is why they pivoted so hard toward influence operations,” they added, referring to Russia’s well-established meddling and troll farms used against Western democracies in recent years. In the last several days, Russian forces have continued to hammer both the eastern Ukraine city of Kharkiv and the capital Kyiv with heavy bombing, while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy claims Russian troops have sustained at least 4,500 casualties. Ukraine’s defence forces, bolstered by civilian volunteers, have managed to keep Russian forces from overrunning Ukraine’s two biggest cities, although the on-the-ground fighting has moved closer to those locations. Ukraine has claimed it has severely damaged Russia’s supply lines, slowing the advance. Another military source told VICE News that officials and analysts within the U.S. military were “psyched” to see what types of weapons and hardware their Russian adversaries are using and how their airstrike tradecraft and radar systems work. The brutal war, which has already claimed thousands of lives since it began last Thursday, also offers the chance to gain intelligence about Russian military operations and how they’ve evolved in recent years. “We haven’t seen them in a war like this in years,” a source said. “Even Syria wasn’t the same. This is a huge sample size.” Though Russia recently sent troops to the war in Syria—mostly special operations forces and airpower—and in the war in Donbas (in a covert and unofficial capacity)—the current invasion of Ukraine has involved hundreds of thousands of troops and everything in the tool kit of the Russian military. As one source noted, Russia has gotten to watch and take notes over two decades of NATO wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. Russia hasn’t fought a war of this magnitude since the war in Chechnya, which occurred in 1994, several years after the collapse of the Soviet Union. But President Vladimir Putin has poured money and resources into the Russian military in a bid to modernize it as a modern fighting force capable of going up against any NATO military coalition. The sources pointed out just how shocked many in the broader NATO military community were at how incompetent Russian soldiers appeared, especially the officer and non-commissioned officer corps. Many described the professionalism and efficiency of the entire Russian military operations in Ukraine as unimpressive and sloppy. Similarly surprising to the Western military community is just how good the performance of Ukrainian soldiers has been. Besides the prolific exploits of Ukrainian anti-aircraft operations (so much that there’s an urban legend of an Ukrainian fighter pilot ace known as the “Ghost of Kyiv”), Ukrainian units have also stood up against Russian special forces and won. Part of their success so far are the will and inspiration to fight (valuable to any fighting force), along with the steps Ukraine has taken since 2014 to improve its military, such as the NATO training its soldiers have received. For example, even Ukraine’s ability to fly and lethally deploy the Turkish drone systems that first upset President Vladimir Putin in late 2021, without Russian air defense shooting them down has been surprising given its air superiority. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian military is publishing videos claiming to show their successful attacks, which have been incredibly valuable for morale and drawing support from Western allies. https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7vx43/nato-russian-military-performance |
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US House members in classified briefing given "alarming" timeline for when Ukrainian cities could fall Inside a briefing with members of the US House of Representatives, Rep. Ruben Gallego said briefers walked members through the potential timeline that some cities in Ukraine could fall. He declined to lay out specifics given the classified nature of the briefing but reiterated the number of Russian troops makes it a distinct possibility. He also said there was a long line of questions members had including about how the resupply was going. A member who declined to speak on the record because it was a classified briefing told CNN the estimates officials gave for when some cities could fall was "alarming." Rep. Dan Crenshaw also confirmed that the timeline for cities to fall was given, but said they were just “estimates” and that the Ukrainians are fighting “way harder” than anyone has estimated, making it hard to know for sure. https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-28-22/h_ca197c5149c1d1b6ba767d5924a95ef4 |
Rachiba said: Given the number of videos of destroyed Russians column I would estimate at least 3,000. Some say the Russians are bound to stop with these suicide runs now.Fate_Saber88 said: I understand that the Russian casualties arent fully verified, but the Ukrainian defense is quite surprising at this point. Western Military Observers Shocked at How Badly Russia's Military Is Doing Multiple sources told VICE News that NATO military officials have been surprised by both Russian incompetence in the field and the fierce Ukrainian resistance. The Russian invasion of Ukraine has both surprised and informed Western military onlookers, who are getting a better view of what the Kremlin’s forces are capable of in the field. And so far they aren’t impressed. Multiple Western military sources who spoke to VICE News on background and on the condition of anonymity, because they weren’t authorized to speak with the media, say their opinion of Russia’s military abilities has gone down. “What I’m seeing is unbelievable,” said a source involved in the special forces community. “I think this is why they pivoted so hard toward influence operations,” they added, referring to Russia’s well-established meddling and troll farms used against Western democracies in recent years. In the last several days, Russian forces have continued to hammer both the eastern Ukraine city of Kharkiv and the capital Kyiv with heavy bombing, while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy claims Russian troops have sustained at least 4,500 casualties. Ukraine’s defence forces, bolstered by civilian volunteers, have managed to keep Russian forces from overrunning Ukraine’s two biggest cities, although the on-the-ground fighting has moved closer to those locations. Ukraine has claimed it has severely damaged Russia’s supply lines, slowing the advance. Another military source told VICE News that officials and analysts within the U.S. military were “psyched” to see what types of weapons and hardware their Russian adversaries are using and how their airstrike tradecraft and radar systems work. The brutal war, which has already claimed thousands of lives since it began last Thursday, also offers the chance to gain intelligence about Russian military operations and how they’ve evolved in recent years. “We haven’t seen them in a war like this in years,” a source said. “Even Syria wasn’t the same. This is a huge sample size.” Though Russia recently sent troops to the war in Syria—mostly special operations forces and airpower—and in the war in Donbas (in a covert and unofficial capacity)—the current invasion of Ukraine has involved hundreds of thousands of troops and everything in the tool kit of the Russian military. As one source noted, Russia has gotten to watch and take notes over two decades of NATO wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. Russia hasn’t fought a war of this magnitude since the war in Chechnya, which occurred in 1994, several years after the collapse of the Soviet Union. But President Vladimir Putin has poured money and resources into the Russian military in a bid to modernize it as a modern fighting force capable of going up against any NATO military coalition. The sources pointed out just how shocked many in the broader NATO military community were at how incompetent Russian soldiers appeared, especially the officer and non-commissioned officer corps. Many described the professionalism and efficiency of the entire Russian military operations in Ukraine as unimpressive and sloppy. Similarly surprising to the Western military community is just how good the performance of Ukrainian soldiers has been. Besides the prolific exploits of Ukrainian anti-aircraft operations (so much that there’s an urban legend of an Ukrainian fighter pilot ace known as the “Ghost of Kyiv”), Ukrainian units have also stood up against Russian special forces and won. Part of their success so far are the will and inspiration to fight (valuable to any fighting force), along with the steps Ukraine has taken since 2014 to improve its military, such as the NATO training its soldiers have received. For example, even Ukraine’s ability to fly and lethally deploy the Turkish drone systems that first upset President Vladimir Putin in late 2021, without Russian air defense shooting them down has been surprising given its air superiority. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian military is publishing videos claiming to show their successful attacks, which have been incredibly valuable for morale and drawing support from Western allies. https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7vx43/nato-russian-military-performance |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
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| February 28 perspective. RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, FEBRUARY 28, 2022 The Russian military is reorganizing its military efforts in an attempt to remedy poor planning and execution based on erroneous assumptions about Ukrainians’ will and ability to resist. Russian operations around Kyiv remain limited as logistics and reinforcements arrive but will likely resume in greater strength in the next 24 hours. Ukrainian military leaders say that they have used the pause to strengthen Kyiv’s defenses and prepare to defend their capital in depth. The Ukrainian military likely cannot prevent Russian forces from enveloping or encircling Kyiv if the Russians send enough combat power to do so, but likely can make Russian efforts to gain control of the city itself extremely costly and possibly unsuccessful. The Russian military has begun using area-attack weapons in the city of Kharkiv, dramatically increasing the damage to civilian infrastructure and the number of civilian casualties it is causing. It is using tube- and rocket artillery against Kharkiv, and unconfirmed reports indicate that it is also using thermobaric weapons, which can have devastating effects, especially on civilian targets. Ukrainian resistance in and around Kharkiv remains determined, but it is unclear how long Ukrainian defenders can hold if Russia sustains or increases attacks of this variety coupled with ground attacks supported by arriving Russian reinforcements. Russian advances in southern Ukraine remain slower than they had been in the initial days of the war, possibly due to Russian efforts to concentrate sufficient combat power to conduct decisive operations against Mariupol and, possibly, Zaporizhia. The next major phase of Russian offensive operations will likely begin within the next 24 hours and play out over the ensuing 48-72 hours. Ukrainian resistance remains remarkably effective and Russian operations, especially on the Kyiv axis, have been poorly coordinated and executed, leading to significant Russian failures on that axis and at Kharkiv. Russian forces remain much larger and more capable than Ukraine’s conventional military, however, and Russian advances in southern Ukraine threaten to unhinge the defense of Kyiv and northeastern Ukraine if they continue unchecked. Key Takeaways Russia deployed additional heavy forces and artillery that it has so far failed to employ in assaults on Kyiv to the city’s western approach on February 27-28. Russian forces will likely launch a renewed assault on western Kyiv on March 1. Russian forces began using heavy artillery against central Kharkiv on February 28, indicating a dangerous inflection in Russian operations as the Kremlin chooses to use air and artillery assets it has held in reserve to date. Russian forces resumed limited advances in northeastern Ukraine on February 28 after an operational pause on February 26-27. Russian and proxy forces resumed assaults on Ukrainian forces defending Mariupol from the east and deployed additional artillery and anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) assets to the Mariupol front line on February 28. Russian forces may attempt a renewed assault on Mariupol in the coming days. Russian forces increasingly targeted Ukrainian airfields and logistics centers on February 28, particularly in western Ukraine. Russia likely seeks to ground the Ukrainian air force and interdict the ability of Western states to resupply the Ukrainian military. Russian and Belarusian forces may be preparing for an additional line of advance from Belarus into western Ukraine. Russian successes in southern Ukraine are the most dangerous and threaten to unhinge Ukraine’s successful defenses and rearguard actions to the north and northeast. Russian troops are facing growing morale and logistics issues, predictable consequences of the poor planning, coordination, and execution of attacks along Ukraine’s northern border. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-february-28-2022 |
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| @Fate_Saber88 Russian force estimates were US WWI level. Obviously not equipment wise. The overall summary was green troops lead by old men who should have retired years ago and totally unprepared for this generation of war, the officers not the troops. It is actually kind of sad. If the alleged mobile crematoriums are real. We will find out years later when whatever number of families sons don't come home for years. I can't imagine them telling them, yeah, we cremated your kid because we didn't want to be embarrassed. |
SoverignFeb 28, 2022 7:53 PM
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| @Soverign As I've noticed since day 2, Putin sent a bunch o 18yo and old officers as cannon fodders on what I would call Team B, and then the professional troops Team A would come in after the Ukrainians run out of ammo or surrender their positions, so Team A secure the city or clear it while Team B takes the casualties since they are expendable, this is the evilest and most vile decision I've ever seen coming from the supposedly second most powerful military in the world with a professional force of 400,000 strong. At least coming from the U.S standards we usually sent the tip of the spear first and then we call the regs( our regs are still professionals), and think about it, they've been planning this invasion for years and rehearsing that for months... And despite my doubts, there are rumors that they made conscripts sign a contract in order to deploy to ''Rostov region'' just a mock name for Ukraine, anyway I hardly doubt it and I suspect the conscripts just don't say the truth or Ukrainian officials tell POWs to say exactly that for propaganda purposes, there is no way in hell someone thinks that they are making an exercise in a foreign country which is in direct tension with your country and you cross the border fully loaded in armored vehicles. I think it's just Ukrainian propaganda anyway, they have low morale issues, they are scared, and lack combat experience. But ofc we get the pro-Russian pundits telling us it was a success because they had Kyiv surrounded in 2 days in what would be the modern Blitzkrieg and put any military power strategy to shame, but no... They never really got a solid foothold inside Kyiv, if anything they tried paratroopers that provided a good source of POWs for Ukrainian forces, they fail to realize that there is absolutely no major settlement between Belarus border and Kyiv outskirts, Keyword - outskirts, they failed to take the Antonov airport and turned it inoperable now. There was never a solid communication line between the base in Belarus and the outskirts, if anything they attempted to advance and got obliterated in an ambush, the people who claim the 21st-century Blitzkrieg have zero idea on how supply lines and lines of communication works if anything they still have to set a solid bridgehead on the north, and completely failed to advance on the northeast. They still get their supply lines ambushed on the north by Ukrainian commandos which in my opinion was the Ukrainian strategy since day one as they know they couldn't hold a massive force on the open and if they eventually advanced thru, the capital would be doomed. Ukrainian commandos taking care of the northern supply lines, in this case they disabled a tank. If it wasn't enough Russia has serious logistical problems and look they are fighting in their backyard imagine if they had to wage war against NATO over Poland, plus all lost armor, chopper, and aircraft. Sincerely Putin needs to eat some of his General's ass, send them to Rostov Region for re-education and military exercises so they learn the logistics of war the hardest way. |
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| https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-military-convoy-north-kyiv-stretches-40-miles-maxar-2022-03-01/ Hmm, what do you guys think? My elementary school math tells me these are at least 3-4 thousand armored vehicles. No wonder cutting the supply lines is a priority for the Ukrainian military. |
149597871 said: Putin has to rush before the western supplies reach Ukrainian hands. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-military-convoy-north-kyiv-stretches-40-miles-maxar-2022-03-01/ Hmm, what do you guys think? My elementary school math tells me these are at least 3-4 thousand armored vehicles. No wonder cutting the supply lines is a priority for the Ukrainian military. Also, they are mostly Deuce half so they bringing a lot of infantry. |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
| Putin's frustration couldn't get any worse now he resorted to war crimes, so much to his ''military operation''. I hope the U.S stops with this nuclear treaties non sense and start an arms race against this failed economy that is Russia. |
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deg said: China is not fully committing for him constantly adjusting and readjusting their position, my theory is that China didn't want world instability at the moment, this whole thing is bringing the world to a solid Second Cold War, and I expect an arms race which is dangerous. ye i heard that Putin is getting frustrated that is uncharacteristic for him to be |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
Fate_Saber88 said: Putin's frustration couldn't get any worse now he resorted to war crimes, so much to his ''military operation''. I hope the U.S stops with this nuclear treaties non sense and start an arms race against this failed economy that is Russia. It is disgusting. He's being doing that for the past 2 or 3 days, and those are just the incidents caught on camera. The actual number of civilian casualties is probably way higher than the official figures. I honestly hope not just the US, but Europe, NATO, and the rest of our allies would finally wake up and stop taking the bait of those dystopian dictatorships that we can somehow peacefully coexist and be partners. It is obvious that they are only interested in pursuing their own interests and stabbing us in the back whenever they see an opportunity or a sign of weakness. A economic decoupling may hurt but it is more necessary than ever, in my opinion. Nuclear treaties are pointless anyway since someone like Putin would never play fair, and China has even been expanding their arsenal over the past several years. |
149597871 said: Agree these treaties are useless, we all now everyone always intended to keep enough to guarantee total annihilation of its enemies, if everyone blackmails nuclear war like Putin and annihilation is certain there is no point on limiting nuclear weapons, I don't think on the long run Russia can sustain many financial losses. If anything I root for Ukraine to resist the most that they can and unfortunately kill the most Russians that they can so when the body bags come back home its own people take the initiative and maybe even the military topple Putin.Fate_Saber88 said: Putin's frustration couldn't get any worse now he resorted to war crimes, so much to his ''military operation''. I hope the U.S stops with this nuclear treaties non sense and start an arms race against this failed economy that is Russia. It is disgusting. He's being doing that for the past 2 or 3 days, and those are just the incidents caught on camera. The actual number of civilian casualties is probably way higher than the official figures. I honestly hope not just the US, but Europe, NATO, and the rest of our allies would finally wake up and stop taking the bait of those dystopian dictatorships that we can somehow peacefully coexist and be partners. It is obvious that they are only interested in pursuing their own interests and stabbing us in the back whenever they see an opportunity or a sign of weakness. A economic decoupling may hurt but it is more necessary than ever, in my opinion. Nuclear treaties are pointless anyway since someone like Putin would never play fair, and China has even been expanding their arsenal over the past several years. |
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QPR said: He sent 18yo with zero combat experience as literal cannon fodders and he has a 400,000 strong professional force, not even the evilest and most vile NATO operation would do that to its own soldiers, this is crazy.The Russian forces are 18-19yo conscripts forced to sign up and they were told they were going on a training mission, then all their vehicles ran out of fuel and they are stranded. They don't want to fight. Russia is now desperate and are using those 30 missile launchers carpet bombing indiscriminately civilian areas. War crimes are being committed and we could see NATO get involved. Ways out of this: -Pootin resigns - will never happen -Pootin dies or is killed by his generals - would be best for Russia -Pootin accepts the 2 rebel areas and he can spin that as a win. - most likely of the above But I see us going into WWIII at them moment, there are lots of nato ships and planes in the area. Everyone in NATO has to attack Russia if one of those planes is hit. Russia will lose. Will Pootin be desperate enough to use nuclear weapons, will the people obey those orders? |
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