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kuwangpa said: Gween_Gween said: The usage of a nun wasnt just for the shock value. To not spoil you the second episode, what you can tell from this episode is that even though that god exists and are capable of helping the humans, they don't help their worshippers. One could have expected throughout the start of the scene that some god would appear, and it plays with that expectation Good analysis! I never thought about it that way. In hindsight though, it does make sense that a nun would be used at the end to highlight that point that gods exist in this story's world but can't be simply summoned through prayer and worship. About to watch the 2nd ep soon ....have you read the manga also? (and if so, do you recommend it? I only skimmed it out of morbid curiosity after someone else here pointed out that the nun scene was more graphic in that version.) No I haven't. I went in blind haha |
| there was a teaser special preview of this show about 5 minutes or so wayy back. im so suprised at how this turned out! eh that ending was a reminder this is not a normal show. |
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tottoja said: What do you mean by "lewds are cut"? I heard from manga readers that there's not that much service other than in action scenes It's not full of explicit scenes, but they're still there, sprinkled throughout the manga. Considering what they did with the rape scene, they'll likely be censoring or entirely removing future nudity as well. |
| Gave me JoJo vibes when the colours inverted all of a sudden and the art style reminded me of cartoons back from the 90s for some reason. No comment on the nun scene, I kind of expected it after looking at the posters this show has. Was a fine episode with amazing animation as expected of another MAPPA project. Interested to see how this will turn out. |
True, still doesn't affect my argument. Criticizing how the creators handled a certain topic is alright. The thing is, people don't really have a concrete problem with the scene at hand. What they don't appreciate is these topics being used in comical contexts. Liking or disliking a certain aspect of the anime is completely fine, but forcing the creators to censor themselves because of your own subjective judgment is dumb. Nobody's pushing you to watch it. Nobody's being hurt: it's a cartoon. Now, some people actually believe the scene wasn't supposed to be funny. Which is a very odd interpretation considering the soldiers' behavior, the sound effects, and the fucking dance. To these people, I just recommend watching the second episode, because the comical intent becomes pretty explicit. One of the jokes is how the soldiers of the Empire are gonna rape "virgins, little girls, housewives in front of their husbands, shotas and beefy older gents". |
| Don't really like how the rape at the end was used for comedy. It shattered any form of interest I had in this. Honestly don't think I like this anime so far. The comedy is pretty bland. The only good thing is the art style. I'm not going to drop this, but I really don't see myself rating it above a 4. |
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kuwangpa said: I rewatched that 20 second scene again, and I still didn't laugh just like the first time I saw it. I wasn't offended or disgusted either, though. (Maybe I just have a poor sense of humor or am simply desensitized to such things?) The only way to really find out the author or director's true intentions is to ask them or hope they release a commentary video about it on the blu-ray release or something. Me (and plenty of the other people I know) laughed, so that's not really a reliable indicator. As I said, watching the second episode would probably clear your doubts. Other than the rape joke I mentioned, it's shown that the deities are actually aware of human suffering, but couldn't care less about it (and effectively laugh it off). |
| Lots of sensitive snowflakes in this thread as expected lol. A shame we have an entire generation of these babies Anyways this is most likely to be anime of the season, I love the artstyle and animation. The Mappa GODS are being pushed too much, they need a break |
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| Just as other people are saying, the way the colors were used in this anime is reminding me of Jojo, guess that's the Jojo reference from this anime lol Anyways, the animation style that was used for this anime is definitely unique, and I like it, I'm also a fan of the visuals that were used in the opening, it gave me Dorohedoro vibes The premise for this show is also interesting, and I have a feeling that it will get darker throughout the show. I'm definitely excited to see how this show turns out overall! |
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| It was a fun start. These Gods are really interesting. The OST is amazing, the character design kinda gives old vibes and the colourful animation is really beautiful. I like how it suddenly and casually gets gory. All the characters are likeable too. If Hayato is this strong then Rin would be in a whole different level. Can't wait to see her fight. I wonder who created that doctor. That Essly seems suspicious. I feel like he might be working with whoever created that doctor. Damn that was some artistic rape scene. That was aesthetically pleasing. |
| don't be fooled by the colors this is not a cute show! |
| What a fun ride, and holy shit what a masterful rapey, I had a raging boner... but that bitch is insufferable I needed to see her get raped into death or Stockholm syndrome. She needs to shut the fuck up and take the dic |
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| Didn't know that was a locked door kinda deal. That went from 3 right to 11 in a blink. |
I think I don't know wtf I'm doing. Maybe. Probably. |
| Watching this just sent me back to when Punch Line was airing. This is pretty good ngl. |
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| That was a really fucking good start! OP is definitely one of the best this season and I love the seiyuus of the main characters, really liking their personalities so far. It's a pretty fun show so far, but I did not expect that ending lmao, this is gonna be a dark show. Sasuga from the Interspecies Reviewer author. Cool-kyou was the artist for the manga too, the man has 3 shows adapted this season damn. |
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| Another impressive show by MAPPA! LET'S GO!!! 5/5. |
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| People already complaining? wowers... im so tired. |
puruprendo said: Liking or disliking a certain aspect of the anime is completely fine, but forcing the creators to censor themselves because of your own subjective judgment is dumb. Nobody's pushing you to watch it. Nobody's being hurt: it's a cartoon. Nobody is in this topic can force the creator to do anything. They only have an "opinion" There are many reasons for censoring in general though. Thing that were ok 50 years ago are not anymore. The world is changing and people's standards are too. That scene was poor taste though. There's nothing comical of a group rape no matter the context. The same way the creator can create their scene and broadcast it, the same way any viewer has a right to complain about it. |
jTiKey said: Nobody is in this topic can force the creator to do anything. They only have an "opinion" There are many reasons for censoring in general though. Thing that were ok 50 years ago are not anymore. The world is changing and people's standards are too. That scene was poor taste though. There's nothing comical of a group rape no matter the context. First of all, me (and plenty of other people) laughed at the scene, so there *is* something comical about it. The only reason I'd ever consider censoring fiction is if someone's being actually hurt in the process. Child pornography, snuff movies, and the likes. Censoring art because its portrayal of certain topics is supposedly unsatisfying is extremely arbitrary and unconvincing. How can you possibly determine that, objectively and with no biases? And who are you to impose that view on others, limiting what they can express with art or what they can watch/read? Also, I want to add that dark humor is a great way to examine specific ideologies, ways of thinking, or attitudes. Borat and Bruno are great examples, they embody stereotypes and take them to their extremes to harshly criticize the systems that enable racism, homophobia, and sexism. jTiKey said: The same way the creator can create their scene and broadcast it, the same way any viewer has a right to complain about it. We're talking about censorship. That has nothing to do with the discussion. You can and should criticize whatever you want. |
puruprendo said: First of all, me (and plenty of other people) laughed at the scene, so there *is* something comical about it. The only reason I'd ever consider censoring fiction is if someone's being actually hurt in the process. Child pornography, snuff movies, and the likes. Censoring art because its portrayal of certain topics is supposedly unsatisfying is extremely arbitrary and unconvincing. How can you possibly determine that, objectively and with no biases? And who are you to impose that view on others, limiting what they can express with art or what they can watch/read? Also, I want to add that dark humor is a great way to examine specific ideologies, ways of thinking, or attitudes. Borat and Bruno are great examples, they embody stereotypes and take them to their extremes to harshly criticize the systems that enable racism, homophobia, and sexism. Why don't you consider people's feelings? What if someone feels ill watching a scene? I cannot remove it from my memory. I do not have the ability to know the plot before watching it and I don't want to be spoiled. There are different types of people. Some can watch gory videos while eating food. Other get sick by just reading about something like that. Bruno and Borat was satire. I didn't like both of them but they were laught AT shitty behavior. The rape scene is make raping look FUN and HAPPY. Same as the pedo issekai from last season it normalizes bad thing saying they are ok. And that is not ok. Maybe for you it's 'just cartoons' but it's no for other people. I don't care about this anime that much and I've seen worse. But Mushoku Tensei makes me sick whenever I see something related to it. If I'd knew it would be like that I'd rather skip it. And that show as 13+ at the beginning. A child watching that might be traumatized for their whole life. |
| Can't say I liked the story or characters much, but MAPPA has done a great job with the animations imo, opting for more satured colors and abstract background. |
jTiKey said: Why don't you consider people's feelings? What if someone feels ill watching a scene? I cannot remove it from my memory. I do not have the ability to know the plot before watching it and I don't want to be spoiled. There are different types of people. Some can watch gory videos while eating food. Other get sick by just reading about something like that. There are people who might feel ill watching a show for so many reasons. Phobias, or personal traumas. Even if you were to handle heavy topics (rape, child abuse, domestic violence, etc) with care and the utmost respect, they still wouldn't be able to stomach it. It's totally fine and understandable, and I agree with you: content warnings should be necessary. jTiKey said: Bruno and Borat was satire. I didn't like both of them but they were laught AT shitty behavior. The rape scene is make raping look FUN and HAPPY. Same as the pedo issekai from last season it normalizes bad thing saying they are ok. And that is not ok.. ...Your takeaway from the jokes is "soldiers raping and killing entire families for their own pleasure is fun and good"? Lol. What they want to highlight is the juxtaposition of the horrible acts depicted and how the oppressors and perpetrators experience it themselves. How war crimes are systematically normalised and the more you damage your enemy the more the authoritarian regime will reward you. No offence dude, but if you can't understand rape is wrong unless they slip in the sad piano theme, the problem is with you. I dropped Mushoku Tensei and found it pretty disgusting myself, but since the children aren't real, no harm is being done to anyone. My opinion would be different if we were talking about a live-action and actual child actors. |
| wtf?? a rape scene all of a sudden? |
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| This was hell of a first episode.. I am liking the anime Ost so far is great and I love the voice actors so far! That was a hell of an ending |
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No...No I am not. I just pointed out a rape scene set to music and dancing by the rapists seems like an obvious reference to A Clockwork Orange, and I am far from the only person to see that. |
BSaito said: Perhaps that's simply an indication that you're swapping opinions with a shitty group of people who have rape fetishes, or are at least desensitized to it. At the very least, haven't seen anybody else on these forums chime in and say they found the rape scene funny. There are. Also, "rape fetishes"? What the hell are you on? We're talking about laughing at a comical scene because it was intended as such, not jerking off to it. Your comment doesn't make any sense, weird projection. BSaito said: I can understand your point that the intent isn't to glorify rape but to depict it's normalization by an authoritarian regime, but the leap from there to finding the depiction of rape funny baffles me. I found that scene bleak, horrifying, and shocking and think that was the intent. Don't know how many times I've said it already, but there's a literal rape joke in episode 2. Human suffering, be it rape or entire families being killed atrociously, is seen as a mundane event and the deities literally laugh it off. You can think whatever you want. But don't pretend I don't have at least some reasons to consider Idaten a black comedy. |
BSaito said: Well, how else am I supposed to react to somebody finding a scene of a woman being raped funny when it was clearly meant to be horrifying and uncomfortable? It's fine to interpret a certain scene however you want, but forcing everyone to see it as you want? I believe the scene was meant to be funny, liked the creators' humor, and laughed. Nothing deep going on. Also, it can be both horrifying/uncomfortable and hilarious. BSaito said: This is the episode 1 discussion thread. We're talking about the rape scene in episode 1. Sure, but watching more episodes gives you more insight into what the show wants to do and its intentions. If there was a rape joke in the second episode, why do you find the idea of someone interpreting the nun scene as comical too so surprising? |
dkdumpling said: HOOfan_1 said: I'd say at least half of this thread is people complaining about the scene... To me it is an obvious homage to "A Clockwork Orange" That doesn't make the scene any less insensitive. It is still awful, why the hell would you put classical music over that and then clearly show the soldiers enjoying it? Fucking disgusting. What a cringe ass word "insensitive". Shut the fuck up with both of your bitching about it. Go watch something else. hmstr said: and you both are in the minority so no one gives a flying fuck what you think. The end.avianworld said: Wasn't expecting that last scene. Got pretty dark real damn quick. It ruined the episode completely for me, what a shitty mood destroyer for what looked like a good anime inicially. |
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dkdumpling said: puruprendo said: It's a black comedy. The rape scene is *supposed* to be stupid and hilarious. Whether you like or not this kind of comedy is your opinion, don't blame the creators. Ah yes, a Nun gets raped and prays to god for salvation while the soldiers dance over her violated body. How fucking funny. You don't find it funny? :( Oh noooooooeeeeeee....Mappa needs to cancel the Show. Everyone, dumbling doesn't like it. That's a wrap. Oh wait....Mappa...and Japan are not giving a flying FK about you and the offense you take in fictional storytelling. THANK.GOD. |
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SirTristamFan said: Wtf they censored the last scene so bad. In manga the Ra*pe scene was really wild. The producers don't care about the success of this anime. It's fairly obvious redo of healer was so popular and was trending because there was zero censor in such scenes. An ecchi manga should have an ecchi adaptation. What's the point otherwise. I really had high hopes for this anime. Oh no you don't get to see violent rape at its fullest. Cry me a fucking river. |
| Pretty goofy throughout and then you get that last scene. |
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