| [quote=DmonHiro message=62811957] 28Manola08 said: But you know, I think Monogatari fans who are hating this show needs to think twice, because as someone who also likes Monogatari this is literally the same but targeted to another audience. This is what you just said: You know that thing that you like? Well, here's something that was made by the same people, but is different from that thing and was made for someone else. Wait! Why don't you like it? Let me cruder: You like lesbian erotica. Why aren't you also watching this homosexual erotica? It's made by the same people. Can't you see how dumb that sounds? Seriously, people need to stop "wondering" why many don't want to watch this. It's completely obvious why. Because it's full of pretty boys. I have no interest in pretty boys, thus I will not watch an anime with nothing but pretty boys. Why is that so hard to understand? I don't care how good it looks. I don't care how good the story might be. It's like someone giving me the best, most expensive and refined mushroom-based dish. I don't care how high quality it is because I hate mushrooms. I don't hate this show. I nothing it. It might as well not exist as far as I'm concerned DmonHiro said: when I mean is the same as Monogatari I'm not saying that it has the same plot and categories, I'm saying that it feels the same, this anime has the same weirdness and creativity freedom as the Monogatari series, that's why I think shiting on this show while loving Monogatari is stupid, because this anime have all the things that makes Monogatari a really good show. 28Manola08 said: But you know, I think Monogatari fans who are hating this show needs to think twice, because as someone who also likes Monogatari this is literally the same but targeted to another audience. This is what you just said: You know that thing that you like? Well, here's something that was made by the same people, but is different from that thing and was made for someone else. Wait! Why don't you like it? Let me cruder: You like lesbian erotica. Why aren't you also watching this homosexual erotica? It's made by the same people. Can't you see how dumb that sounds? Seriously, people need to stop "wondering" why many don't want to watch this. It's completely obvious why. Because it's full of pretty boys. I have no interest in pretty boys, thus I will not watch an anime with nothing but pretty boys. Why is that so hard to understand? I don't care how good it looks. I don't care how good the story might be. It's like someone giving me the best, most expensive and refined mushroom-based dish. I don't care how high quality it is because I hate mushrooms. I don't hate this show. I nothing it. It might as well not exist as far as I'm concerned. And it's no surprise. Why would anyone who does not want to to see pretty boys waste time watching a show with pretty boys? Obviously I'm not saying you can't not be interested of this show, that's totally fine, like, I was defending the people who aren't interested on this anime because they aren't the targeted audience or don't understand the appeal of Shinbou or Nisiosin, but like I said, hating on this anime and saying if "boring as hell and too weird" while having watched all the seasons of Monogatari and read the LN is so hypocritical because if you're saying that to this anime is like shiting on Monogatari too and only proving you watched the series for the waifus |
28Manola08 said: that's why I think shiting on this show while loving Monogatari is stupid, because this anime have all the things that makes Monogatari a really good show. Oh? Does it have supernatural elements? Does it have bloody battles between a monkey/warewolf and a half vampire? Does it have loads of female fanserivce? Does it have a main character that is immensley entertaining in his insanity? Does it have a fantastic master/servant relationship between main characters? IT DOES NOT. Bishounen Tanteidan is nothing like Monogatari. It might share the same directing, type of dialogue and aesthetic feel but it is NOT similar to Monogatari in the slightest. The story is completely different. Similar? That's like saying Fullmetal Alchemist is the same as Silver Spoon because the same author wrote it. At least compare it to Zaregoto, it's the same genre. Telling someone they will like this because they like Monogatari is a blatant lie and a desperate attempt to get them to watch it. And it will backfire when they see it is nothing like it. Enough of this stupid bewilderment as to why this isn't that popular. It's because it's full of boys and fanservice of boys. There is nothing complicated about this. It's not a conspiracy, it's not a disgrace. It is what it is: fanservice shows about men are less popular. Even less so if it's fanservice of boys. My point is this: Stop asking why people are "sleeping" on this. You KNOW why. |
DmonHiroApr 18, 2021 12:10 AM
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| The problem with just saying the fact this show is intended for a female audience is the reason straight male viewers aren't watching it is - there's plenty of stuff explicitly labelled as for men/boys that still get very popular with women. Many of the biggest shounen series have a roughly 50/50 split gender wise, and some series have a majority of women watching or reading them (like Gintama). Tbh wherever you look in Japanese media you can find series that are very male-orientated but got big female fandoms anyway. Monogatari is actually one of them, I've seen a LOT of female and LGBT+ fans for the series (actually most of the people I've seen boosting Pretty Boy Detectives the most are female Monogatari fans). And even with the female anime fans I know who are really into bishounen or BL stuff I don't know any who don't watch shows with casts full of cute girls as long as they're good like Zombieland this season. Ofcourse people have the right to watch what they want and I have no interest in forcing anyone to watch this show or any other. But simply saying the intended audience is female isn't really an adequate explanation when the same issue doesn't happen nearly as often for women anime fans - it's also very much to do with straight men seeing a show like this as too "girly" or "gay" in a disparaging way, and seeing anything made by and/or for women as lesser or merely pandering (see how many very high-quality anime get written off as "Fujobait") to women even if the stories, characters, animation, etc. are as high quality (or in a lot of cases, frankly, higher) as any male-orientated anime. |
| Are (young) girls even the target demographic? The fanservice scenes are very uncomfortable to watch because the characters are very young and some of them look even younger than they are. |
cchigu said: SparkleDuck said: Sadly, this is the reality of a much larger audience watching anime. Show them pretty colors, people tilting necks, eccentric characters, and overly complex dialogues/monologues that create a 3deep5me atmosphere while providing nothing of substance and we will have people shouting in your face-- Monogatari is the best show ever created, wohooo!!!! Lit af!!!1! Holy shit, Nisio Isin is based af!!!!!!I still don't really understand Monogatari hype. I tried watching it years ago, and after just a few episodes I got non-stop loli pedo pandering shoved into my face. Call it "art" all you want, it's still degenerate just like furry shit is. Glad to see I'm not the only one who noticed it's meant to pander to those who like sexualized stuff specifically That you don't like how Monogatari represents its themes and its world, or its characters, can be understood, of course, but to say that it has no substance? It's quite funny you know |
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Alberrti said: I never said that Monogatari doesn't have substance. All I said was that the dialogue writing of Monogatari is lacking and felt superficial at best.cchigu said: Sadly, this is the reality of a much larger audience watching anime. Show them pretty colors, people tilting necks, eccentric characters, and overly complex dialogues/monologues that create a 3deep5me atmosphere while providing nothing of substance and we will have people shouting in your face-- Monogatari is the best show ever created, wohooo!!!! Lit af!!!1! Holy shit, Nisio Isin is based af!!!!!! That you don't like how Monogatari represents its themes and its world, or its characters, can be understood, of course, but to say that it has no substance? It's quite funny you know |
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DmonHiro said: 28Manola08 said: that's why I think shiting on this show while loving Monogatari is stupid, because this anime have all the things that makes Monogatari a really good show. Oh? Does it have supernatural elements? Does it have bloody battles between a monkey/warewolf and a half vampire? Does it have loads of female fanserivce? Does it have a main character that is immensley entertaining in his insanity? Does it have a fantastic master/servant relationship between main characters? IT DOES NOT. Bishounen Tanteidan is nothing like Monogatari. It might share the same directing, type of dialogue and aesthetic feel but it is NOT similar to Monogatari in the slightest. The story is completely different. Similar? That's like saying Fullmetal Alchemist is the same as Silver Spoon because the same author wrote it. At least compare it to Zaregoto, it's the same genre. Telling someone they will like this because they like Monogatari is a blatant lie and a desperate attempt to get them to watch it. And it will backfire when they see it is nothing like it. Enough of this stupid bewilderment as to why this isn't that popular. It's because it's full of boys and fanservice of boys. There is nothing complicated about this. It's not a conspiracy, it's not a disgrace. It is what it is: fanservice shows about men are less popular. Even less so if it's fanservice of boys. My point is this: Stop asking why people are "sleeping" on this. You KNOW why. IT IS similar to Monogatari, at least in the type of subjects that it treats and how it presents them. If any Monogatari fan is a fan for that matter, this show can be perfectly recommended. Obviously one could not recommend it if the only thing for which you are a "fan" of Monogatari is for its fanservice/lolicon staff (which I hate btw). I honestly don't think that the genre or its target audience really matters if what you are looking for is a good story and characters (that most people care about other aspects is another matter) |
cchigu said: Alberrti said: I never said that Monogatari doesn't have substance. All I said was that the dialogue writing of Monogatari is lacking and felt superficial at best.That you don't like how Monogatari represents its themes and its world, or its characters, can be understood, of course, but to say that it has no substance? It's quite funny you know Well, if it's just how you feel about the writing then I can't say anything, is just a matter of taste |
| it's a 10/10 adaptation for a 4/10 story. at least so far. if the story get's more interesting, the already solid score will go up, and more people will watch it. so far, most watchers either are the LN readers, or shaft fans. but like i said if the story get's better and the score goes up, it will get the attention you want. |
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| Planning to check it out one it finishes since its written by Nisio but I am not gonna lie the reverse harem makes it unappealing especially because of how the male characters look more feminine than the female character lol |
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Alberrti said: IT IS similar to Monogatari, at least in the type of subjects that it treats and how it presents them. No, it isn't. How it presents, yes, maybe. But the subjects are nothing alike. Are you sure you read/watched monogatari? List me some subjects from this that are similar to Monogatari, if you're so convinced. |
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DmonHiro said: Alberrti said: IT IS similar to Monogatari, at least in the type of subjects that it treats and how it presents them. No, it isn't. How it presents, yes, maybe. But the subjects are nothing alike. Are you sure you read/watched monogatari? List me some subjects from this that are similar to Monogatari, if you're so convinced. It's not that the themes themselves are similar, but in the end, most of them are about overcoming your problems, "saving" yourself and helping others, and it's just what is happening with Bishounen's protagonist, Mayumi. It is something that is seen from the first episode of this show. You could say that it is a generic theme and that it can be found in many shows, but these themes together with how it is presented and the eccentric characters is something that attracts many of us who usually like Nisio's series, and of course, the way Shaft directs it just makes it better Zaregoto, to a greater or lesser extent, has many of these elements with his protagonist in the same way, regardless of whether its main genre may be mystery (although in the end what Nisio wants to tell in Zaregoto has nothing to do with the mystery itself) I don't know if I have explained myself clearly, but I think it is easy to see what I consider how they are alike and why I think that a large part of the Monogatari fans may like it |
AlberrtiApr 18, 2021 10:49 AM
Alberrti said: It's not that the themes themselves are similar, but in the end, most of them are about overcoming your problems, "saving" yourself and helping others That is an IMMENSE stretch. You can say the same about around 25% of all anime ever made. I guess you can say then that this show is also similar to.... Violet Evergaden. Violet has to overcome her problems, save herself and help others. Hell, Fate Stay Night would qualify as well. I I mean, Shirou has to overcome his problems, and save himself from his lack of goals and help others. Let's not forget ReZero: Subaru has to overcome his low self esteem, save himself from dying and help others stay alive as well. It's just like this show, right? I mean, they're all eccentric characters, in one way or another, right? Do you really not see how far you are reaching to try and make this show sound like it's similar to Monogatari? The only reason fans of this show try to make it seem like it's similar to Monogatariis because they are jealous that Bishounen Tanteidan is not as populuar, even though it's normal that it isn't. |
DmonHiroApr 18, 2021 12:53 PM
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Silvana00 said: Which is written by Umino Chika, the best author in the industry, unlike Nisio Isin, whose writing is not my stuff.cchigu said: What??? You have March Came Like a Lion in you favSHAFT + Nisio Isin = Skeptical. I don't like this combo. I will wait until this show ends and gets overpraised, and then I will start watching it. Probably will end up regretting anyway. |
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Silvana00 said: I appreciate character writing way more than anything else, and therefore I can't appreciate Nisio Isin as much. I don't hate him, in fact, I have high scores for some of the Monogataris, but I was left unimpressed by much of the writing in the show.cchigu said: I agree woth Umino Chika being amazing, now saying Nision isnt is just LMAOWhich is written by Umino Chika, the best author in the industry, unlike Nisio Isin. |
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| I didn't even know this existed until I looked through new anime and eeh... I'm not a huge fan. The art design seems fairly good but the characters are rather bland and it feels very Ouran to me but not nearly as funny or entertaining. |
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| I got baited by the bishōnen in title, but they look nothing like bishōnen, deformed shōtas may be a better description. which is ofc better False_Mirror said: The fact is that monogatari fans very rarely directly and unabashedly say "yes, I just like to selfinsert into MC and jerk off on sexy girls". Instead, they talk about how much they love aesthetics and writing. That's that underlies the confusion and surprise - where are all these crowds of "aesthetes"? And they just can't selfinsert into the female cMC and nervously and confusedly giggle when they see a sexualized boy on the screen. Fucking based. You sold me on the show, I'll probably join in halfway through or smth. |
AuronApr 19, 2021 3:16 PM
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IwaOi-KHRStan said: yeah yeah, only arguing on the same topic. Male audience is triggered when they don't watch sex scenes or sexy girl who gets naked every second, that's why it's not appealing to male, but to female. My advice is to stay away from this series if you are a male. This series has not naked women, but only naked men. Deal with it. Bullshit. I'm watching Fairy Ranmaru, for Heaven's sake. And that has WAY more male sexuality on screen. Hell, episode 3 has more then this whole sries will probably have. But it also has an actually interesting story and interesting characters. This has nothing, except the names of the studio, director and source writer. |
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DmonHiro said: 28Manola08 said: But you know, I think Monogatari fans who are hating this show needs to think twice, because as someone who also likes Monogatari this is literally the same but targeted to another audience. Let me cruder: You like lesbian erotica. Why aren't you also watching this homosexual erotica? It's made by the same people. Can't you see how dumb that sounds? Lesbians are homosexuals, you know that right? While people might not like Bishounen because it doesn't have "big boobs" (which is kinda a stupid thing to stake your enjoyment on), it doesn't really have any fanservice? Like, if you come here look for "Free!" levels of sexiness, you're going to be pretty disappointed. The beautiful animation and fun dialogue are the sticking points (as it is with almost every Nisio joint that isn't Monogatari). |
| Because manly otakus don't like to watch bishounen </3 if this anime were about girls maybe this would get more fame |
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| I watched one episode and it was so damn boring |
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| Seems to be cute boys doing cute things + a little bit of detective Themes mixed in? o.O Not that I have anyhting against it. Just seems kinda flat, just by looking at the synopsis. I'd even argue the only really good thing about it is Shaft beeing in charge. But what do I know^^ Haven't seen it. |
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| I haven’t watched it yet but it’s probably because there was no hype at all. I haven’t even heard of this anime or of it’s source material at all. The only reason why I knew of it is because I heard the op and wanted to know where it’s from. |
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| Just watched the first two episodes and can't help but ask myself the same question. People probably think you need to like bishounen to like this, which is just not true. |
DmonHiro said: I have no interest in pretty boys, thus I will not watch an anime with nothing but pretty boys. Why is that so hard to understand? I don't care how good it looks. I don't care how good the story might be. DmonHiro said: I'm watching Fairy Ranmaru You've also watched Fist of the North Star, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Dragon Ball Z, and Yu Yu Hakusho. |
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Lucifrost said: You've also watched Fist of the North Star, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Dragon Ball Z, and Yu Yu Hakusho. Correct, but none of those are "pretty boys". And the boys in Ranmaru are (with one exception) more like men, not boys. |
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That's an odd thing to ask. But to answer the question: no, I am not. For the shows you listed, I would want to be LIKE those men, not with them. |
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| I was a bit skeptical, since I'm not a fan of fujoshi bait. This is very good. If you liked Monogatari or Katanagatari, you have to try it. I can't guarantee you'll like it, since everyone's taste is different, but it's worth giving it a shot. |
| I see everyone critiquing this calling it a "Reverse harem," but none of the characters make any advances on Doujima? The worst you get is Hyouta trying to look up her skirt. I will write an entire essay defending this anime to the death if I have to. The people calling this anime "Reverse harem garbage" are the same people sitting in their mom's basement and jacking off to Nagatoro-san. If you genuinely think this anime is bad I don't know what to tell you. |
| Most anime fans on this site aren't into bishounen stuff but another part of it is the show simply isn't very good. It's like a c grade ouran mixed with a c grade Zaregoto made by a studio way past their prime. The adaptation is also way too rushed. The novels might be better though but I haven't read them so can't comment |
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