Danganronpa 3: The End of Kibougamine Gakuen - Kibou-hen Episode 1 Discussion

PaperCutAssassin said:

If you played DanganRonpa 2, they say in the game that the 77th class isn't dead, just kinda walking husks. I'm pretty sure they also mentioned that there was a very slim chance (but still a chance) of them regaining personalities like actual humans again, so them being alive isn't impossible. The Kirigiri thing is bullshit tho but part of me just wants to give it a pass because I didn't want her to be dead anyway :p

MonoReaper said:

With the same quote out of the article you copy pasted you agree exactly what i told you.

What? We know that Hajime/Izuru was in that kind of context special. After all he is Izuru Kamukura the result fo the experiments on his brain.

Junko didnt lie.

Izuru would remember everything after this no matter what because the changes of his brain dont cease to exist even if he gets out of the NPW. Thats why he said he will not participate in the upcoming events because he will not be the one who exists in this NWP.

Izuru made a gamble. Who would win? Hope vs Despair. Chiaki vs. Junko.
The result with winning is that Hope won and he got his memorys back. Even if Junko won he would still be Izuru because Junko cannot use a body with a active brain

Again you agree with this quote on what i said.

They are braindead as Junko told us. They DIED in the NeoWorldProgramm. It has no harm on their bodies but their brain because even if it was a virtual dead. Their brains belief this is reality. So they brain ceased functions. We dont know to what kind of context. But if they died than they are dead. The only reason their bodies were incat because their flesh was not damaged in rl + NPW is also their lifeline.

Here is also a quote of a different articel:
Brain death is used as an indicator of legal death in many jurisdictions, but it is defined inconsistently. Various parts of the brain may keep living when others die, and the term "brain death" has been used to refer to various combinations. For example, although a major medical dictionary[8] says that "brain death" is synonymous with "cerebral death" (death of the cerebrum), the US National Library of Medicine Medical Subject Headings (MeSH) system defines brain death as including the brainstem. The distinctions can be important because, for example, in someone with a dead cerebrum but a living brainstem, the heartbeat and ventilation can continue unaided, whereas in whole-brain death (which includes brain stem death), only life support equipment would keep those functions going. Patients classified as brain-dead can have their organs surgically removed for organ donation; though not everyone agrees with this practice, preferring to limit organ donation to those individuals who have suffered the death of all of their brain. Some would go even further and would only consider organ donation permissible if both the entire brain and the cardiac and respiratory systems were both non-viable (biological, or full, death; which is what most people think of when the word death is mentioned). However, if one limits the criteria to those individuals, procuring viable organs can become much more difficult, even extremely difficult.

This special scenario made it even possible for Junko to enter and use their bodies. If they had any brain activity than she could not enter them. After all a brain is nothing more than a much more complexer version of a computer. 'The only difference is that until this day we can sitll not recreate it with computers to 100 %. Because the hardware is still not capable enough for it to do the same thigns as human computers/brains.
Because they were in the NWP and they were only living shells she could use them. Saved data is not for nothing called memory.

"sigh" again. They could come back because the same reason as Junko their data/memory was still there. It didnt vanish. It was just impossibel to "wake" the brain up and with is their whole saved being on it.

Again it was not foreshadowed. Because Kodaka never intended to make a what after.

The ending was open to interpretations for everyone. Because their flesh was not harmed. Their body intact and they where still in the stasis of the NPW tech.
Their bodies were fine but they died! As stated in the game. Can you not understand it? I dont assume it is that way. It is stated in the game. Braindead. They died. It was explained they were like coma patients in that regard. In normal matter of fact without the NWP tech they would not just lost their brain they would lose everything. Their bodies would stop living.
Their fate was not certain. Just that Izuru/Hajime would try to save them.

Again if i am mistaken you would deny the facts ingame from the game.

I tell you what is a fact in the games and from Kodaka himself said in the past interviews.

DR3 and DR2 are not the same.

DR3 was made for the fans.

Because DR3 was first intented to be a new game with different routes. But Kodaka didnt want to do the same gameplay again and V3 was also still ongoing. So he decided that he and his team would focus only on V3 for new gameplay and the new characters/setup and let Leche handle DR3 with a anime.
So that he wouldnt split his team.
He gave them directions but the rest was made from the anime-team Director/scenario writers etc.

I say it again. Kodaka stated DR2 characters were never meant to be to have a "what happens after" their story ended in 2.

Everything from the DR3 is nothing more than fanservice for the fans of the games. Is it cannon? Yes. Does it make any difference ot the facts stated by the creator himself +ingame event of said games? No.

As i said in several posts. The DR games and this Anime are meant to be spereate entities. They are linked but you need to understand that DR3 Anime was never intented to end in the way it ended. It was never tought as a Anime but as a game. But with this Anime version you cannot tell the whole story. You have limited amount of time/money to tell the story you want to tell. You cannot bring every character his moment of glory. You cannot do everything you want to and thats why the Anime ended in this hollow way.

You dont seem to understand this but i will tell you this again.
This is not about who is right and who is wrong.
This is about facts from the game & statements from the creator himself.
You can deny it if you want but it doesnt make it less true

Promesteins said:


I played everything and I know the story. The chance is too low for them to wake up, but EVERYONE in class 77th is alive. The characters who people were theorizing to wake up is Komaeda and Mikan who both know they were in a virtual reality, so it's bullshit to everyone to wake up.

MightyM16 said:


How? The article proves that you were wrong to begin with.




Izuru being Izuru doesn't changes the fact that braindead = dead, the SDR2 cast were in a coma but they were still alive which is why Izuru managed to save them




Junko lied about A LOT of things, why are you so sure that she didn't lie about this? Because it is good for your point? That must be it.



However Junko said that they wouldn't remember their time in the NWP, Izuru clearly did which is why he chose to live on as Hajime therefore Junko clearly lied.




If Junko won, Izuru would revert back to Hajime completely, have you forgotten the plot of the game?




No, I didn't agreed with anything that you said, stop with the wishful thinking.



If they were braindead they couldn't have been brought back. Naegi, Kirigiri and Togami remarked in the SDR2 epilogue that they still had a chance so all of them still had some sort of brain activity going on and weren't fully braindead, Junko simply lied or was wrong all along just like she was wrong about Hajime and the other survivors losing their memory of the NWP

Your problem here is that you are taking Junko's world as the absolute truth for some reason.




That just really proved my point, some parts of the brain might still work somewhat but braindeath is configured by the complete cessation of brain function as evidenced by absence of brain-wave activity on an electroencephalogram, it isn't the same thing as a coma which is what you tried to pass braindeath.



In the same way you are saying this, I can simply say that they were currently in coma and Junko being downloaded into them would simply override the rest of their personality and permanently delete them. Junko most likely just said that they were completely dead to force the survivors to chose graduation.




It was not impossible. The game remarks it as such and DR3 shows us that.




Read the ending again. It doesn't really matter what Kodaka planned at the time, what matters is that the ending itself remarked that there was a chance that they could wake up and had Naegi remarking that "miracle was something natural to those guys" which ended everything in a hopeful note


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The ending was open to interpretations for everyone. Because their flesh was not harmed. Their body intact and they where still in the stasis of the NPW tech.
Their bodies were fine but they died! As stated in the game. Can you not understand it? I dont assume it is that way. It is stated in the game. Braindead. They died. It was explained they were like coma patients in that regard. In normal matter of fact without the NWP tech they would not just lost their brain they would lose everything. Their bodies would stop living.
Their fate was not certain. Just that Izuru/Hajime would try to save them.

Again if i am mistaken you would deny the facts ingame from the game.

I tell you what is a fact in the games and from Kodaka himself said in the past interviews.

DR3 and DR2 are not the same.

DR3 was made for the fans.

Because DR3 was first intented to be a new game with different routes. But Kodaka didnt want to do the same gameplay again and V3 was also still ongoing. So he decided that he and his team would focus only on V3 for new gameplay and the new characters/setup and let Leche handle DR3 with a anime.
So that he wouldnt split his team.
He gave them directions but the rest was made from the anime-team Director/scenario writers etc.

I say it again. Kodaka stated DR2 characters were never meant to be to have a "what happens after" their story ended in 2.

Everything from the DR3 is nothing more than fanservice for the fans of the games. Is it cannon? Yes. Does it make any difference ot the facts stated by the creator himself +ingame event of said games? No.

As i said in several posts. The DR games and this Anime are meant to be spereate entities. They are linked but you need to understand that DR3 Anime was never intented to end in the way it ended. It was never tought as a Anime but as a game. But with this Anime version you cannot tell the whole story. You have limited amount of time/money to tell the story you want to tell. You cannot bring every character his moment of glory. You cannot do everything you want to and thats why the Anime ended in this hollow way.

You dont seem to understand this but i will tell you this again.
This is not about who is right and who is wrong.
This is about facts from the game & statements from the creator himself.
You can deny it if you want but it doesnt make it less true

MonoReaper said:


I make your words mine, your only arguments are Junko's statements from the game (Junko, who is a known liar) and an ancient interview Kodaka made

Both of these things aren't facts, they aren't even proper arguments to begin with.

I dont understand how you cannot understand why the arcticle and thhe information in it doesnt help you understand my statement?

??? I dont even know why you answere to this about something that was not in your question/statement and in any relation to my answere to your statemant?
I cannot follow you on that because i dont understand what your answere means to answere or counter etc.

Did in this series Junko lie? Yes. Did Junko in the contex of our said disagreement lie? No.

Again no matter what would be the outcome of the NWP experiement. Izuru would remember everything no matter what. Because his brain experiments from Hopes Peak dont change. The NWP cannot fix this and Naegi and Co. didnt knew about Izuru in that regards. the NWP can only help patients with traumas in their life and help to "fix" this with overwritting these events. Izuru however as the Ultimate Ultimate woudlnt be affected by this. Because the NPW cannot change the experiments of Izurus brain nor the outcome that Izuru would remember becasue of his abilitys. He is Deus Ex nothing can harm him or manipulate him in that regard.

As explained no he wouldnt. Junko said this but she still didnt knew what Izrur wanted or what his plan was. Junko and Izurus ablilitys to predict are not the same. Izurus is far superior to Junko.
Junko said that to Hajime but Hajime at this point of the trial didnt knew truth or lie. Only the moment be became Hajime/Izuru (white hair, red eyes with a cross in them) at this moment he knew that everything would be fine becaue he could fix everything with his abilitys at the Ultimate Ultimate.

I know that you dont understand. But you did with your stated arguments and quotes from the article.
I cannot do more than say or refer to these articales and hope you will understand. If you cannot i cannot change this.

Again they can be brought back because of Izuru as a Demi-God and the fact their flesh was not harmed. Their brains had no more activitys but their body was still "living" because of the NWP stasis Tech/basiclly lifesupport. This is also the case with acutally medicine today. A body can with the help of tech life on. They brain can cease activity its just that with our technology at the moment it is possible to maintain status quo. And in the DR Universe they have tech that is pretty futureistic/sci-fi.

They are braindead. She was not wrong and she didnt lie.

They other class memebers would not remember. If you watched the DR3 Anime you would know they all have their memorys of their time as RoD. They know what the did and said they can only atone for it but never recive forgiveness.

You believe that not i. Junko lies about many things. The difference between us is i understand the context and meaning of things. As for you think or add things to the ingame facts that are simply not true.

Again i cannot understand how you still dont understand why you give me right with this. I cannot change this "not understanding" of these things regarding the stated information of this subject.

You can say that and maybe this would "work" after all this is a game with his own rules and world facts.
But you just say this for arguments sake to deny my answeres/explanations to you.

Again you try to prove me wrong. As i said this is not about wrong or right. I try to make you understand the facts you just wont believe them.

And that the argument itself would not really work that well. Because it would be clash of two entities.

There is important difference between "deleting" memorys and overwriting them. As we know even if the technology to erease memorys is used they can still be restored. So it only blocks certain parts of the brain that are important for memory.
Ofc you can argue many what ifs. But my answere was simply to answere your question in your made argument/statement.

DR3 and 2 are seperate mediums. And should not be watched as bound entrys of the franchise.

And no the ending was open to interpetrations. I quote Kodaka here again: DR2s maincast story ended in 2."

You are blind to these facts.

Ofc it matters. At that time this story cannot have lose end. No story should have things that dont matter for the story. You cannot create a story and than decide some things simply dont matter. That is just stupid. Every writer of his story should plan it out. Kodaka stated in a interveiw what his intentions were with DR2 and the story of these characters. Stop insulting a writers passion and hard work with your misguided intentions. A story like DR2 is well writen and brings closes as a stand alone story for this franchise.

Again nobody denys that there iwas no chance for them. The problem is how everyone showed up in DR3. There were only 2 characters would had a realistic chance for DR standarts to come back. The rest should be dead.

A miracle should not stop the law of physics or ignore them. A miracle is a event that makes the impossible possible in the standart of these situations. Breaking the rules of their own world doesnt count as miracle. Its just simply nonesene.

Again "sleeping" dosnt count as alive. It makes the most sene because they are a in state between dead and live. Their brain is no more active but their flesh is still on the lifeline in the stasis. Thats why they were refered to "their sleeping friends." (I believe it was Kirigiri who said that)

Also you yourself indicate everything that they are dead. Because "come back to life" is a sugestion itself the person who is refered to is indeed dead. If this is a line you quoted from their dialoge.

I am not using Junkos words. I use ingame facts said by characerts and story details that are explaind in the Anime and the past games. That you single minded dont want to understand that is what i dont understand.

ANN, famitsu and Funimation had some translation of Kodakas interview.
The one who Kodaka said that DR2 maincast story ended in 2 was only 2 month prior to the DR3 Anime airing.

The rest from Kodaka talking about the orignial plan for DR3 and the game was after the Anime ended. Because in the same interveiw he talked about V3 stuff.

I explained why these 2 should be viewed as seperate entities.

"sigh" Do you really not understand the simplest things?
"Fanservice". This is was Kodaka said about the DR3 Anime. It a present to the long time fans and consumers of the games. It is Fanservice for all the fans that wanted to see the DR2 cast plus Naegi and his final conclusion to HPA story line.
Pls tell me you understand that i meant this with my said words prior to this oost.
Halleluja this is somewhat sad if you dont understood it.

....o.O...........okay.......what from. DR3 was original planned as a game was not clear?
Follow this now: He worked with his team on DR3 a new game with different routes this time. For several outcomes how the game could end typical Visual Novel stuff. But midway he and his team decided it would be boring to implement the same old gameplay with this story.

So the stopped working on it as a game and concentrated on V3 as a soft reset of the Universe and gamplay to create new stuff. Kodaka didnt want to waste his work on DR3. He than contracted with SpineChunsoft the animation studio Leche to make DR3 a anime. They split the DRDespair Arc Part und Future Arc Part to seperate airing Anime. So they woulndt cut so much content because they coulndt make a sole 24 Anime with so much content so they decided to split it so they have more time to work with these storylines that intervine.
Thats why they created these special timeplan to air them on these times so they would still fit togeather as 2 halfs that fill each other.
D-o y-o-u n-o-w u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d ?

He didnt change his mind. Again he said the story of the DR2 cast ended in 2. This is a fact.

Everything that happend in the Anime is fanservice for the fans nothing more.

On what sentence did you come to this conclusion? Ofc Kodaka decided that the main plot what would happen in DR3. Again you dont understand that DR3 as a Anime should not be viewed as the games. There is difference between them and their storys.

Yes i tought we had this understand of each others view about the Anime and the ending made clear? Or did you forget that we had this whole conversation about the Anime and its ending?

Indeed it wasnt supposed to end the way it did. There is much more content that didnt make it into the Anime as Kodaka said. But that is also content from the day that this was planned as a game.

Anime in that regards has more limitations to it but has also + to it.
Proof? Mentioned interviews and the fact of skipped stuff of the timeline because of the money and time limitations of a Anime production?
Does our knowledge differ that much that you cannot understand the meaning of my words?

You question the same thing over and over again. I show and answere you clearlythe why`s and what of my argumentation. I explained it to you several times. You either ignore things of stated arguments of simply deny interviews from Kodak a before and after the Anime.

What else can do? You dont want to understand and i will not stop answereing to you out of courtesy.

I really dont know how can i make it clear to you to fill your curiosity of the knowledge i have.

You make this whole deal a who is right or wrong situation.
You just dont understand that you deny facts. There is no right or wrong.

There is only the facts that you deny. "Ancient" interviews. You dont even tried to use google or attempt to search for these interviews.

Do you fear it this much? Is your blind patriotism to this fanboy passion so high that you cannot accept such simple things?
I cannot help you if you dont want to understand.

MonoReaper said:
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lihle808 said:
with those guys

lihle808 said:
Loved Nanami so much and i wish she was the one that lived.

MightyM16 said:


Well, I'll put an end to this discussion.

Read this

http://kamase-megane.tumblr.com/post/153504419222/dr3-spoiler-warning-heres-a-post-kibou-hen

It's Kodaka's post anime interview, and it says quite a lot about his intent in DR3 and what he wanted to do with it. See, thats how you provide source.

crossfire2 said:
So, uh, how is this 8.11? Seriously, I could use seeing a good argument, because I do not understand. As far as I'm concerned, DR3 (Despair and especially Hope) ruined most of the series just to please easily impressed fans with fanservice so that they're not pissed off after Future.

MonoReaper said:


Sorry for responding so late.
Thx for the Interview link but i did read it before our conversation. Well this and all the other interviews.

MonoReaper said:


Jep i agree (at least something we agree on)

I am really bored. Its just if i look back at the beginning and reading everything up until now you twist or outright lie about things i state or say to answere you.

MonoReaper said:

You talk about pride or fears of proven wrong.
But this was never the point of the discussion to begin with.

MonoReaper said:

It was about ingame facts, DR3 as a anime narritive wise & the characters.
It was about the final conclusion of the HPS.
As i said several times. This is not about right or wrong. This is about facst from the franchise lore.

MonoReaper said:

Your aggression over time after we spent efforts to write/answere each other is bothersome. It feels like you try at all cost to make you look good in some kind of competition if there is none. This is just the Internet dude. This is just a forum for users to share Anime news, experience and so on.

MonoReaper said:

The time i spent writing with you was at the beginning enjoyable.
I like discussion for the sake of discussing.
Its just you on the other side seem to be the type of guy who wants always be "right" even if it mean to outright lie, play dumb, twist arguments and answere, ignore facts & with your last post trying to make it look like it is i quote "my headcanon".

MonoReaper said:

Its just sad. But more than sad i am bored with you.

MonoReaper said:

I see no value in writing with you anymore. Maybe youre a nice guy. Maybe in RL you really are a honest person.

MonoReaper said:

But on the internet here you seem to be a pure human. A pretty common twisted human nature.

MonoReaper said:

Welp thank you for writing with me so long. Even if our reasons/motivations differ vastly.
I am bored of this whole fake conversation. Farewell @MightyM16 hope you will change for the better and enjoy your hopefully long lasting time as a member of this community.

MonoReaper said:

PS: My last presents to somewhat end this with a good note.

MightyM16 said:


Maybe because an opinion isn't something objective? Just becaue you disliked, doesn't means other people didn't like it. This entire thread is an example of this.

crossfire2 said:


And perhaps I'm looking for proper reasons people liked it? I'm not trying to ask rhetorical questions.

MonoReaper said:
@MightyM16
And here you go again. "sigh"
Dude you need to stop. Stop digging your hole deeper and deeper.

Every post you write about this whole conversation, that started at page 3, your lies are exposed more and more.

Proof? Its not like you can go back and re-read you own posts (sarcasm) and see what you nonstop did after you had no more arguments to flee from the facts of ingame content.

I mean it is logical you will ignore certain things so you dont need to face reality.

Why this is the case only yourself will know the truth behind this reason.
I said it several times and will it do again to help you.
This all started because you didnt want to agree on the fact how messed up DR3 narrative wise is and how Kodaka rekkon ingame lore to make somewhat sense of the DR3 storyboard.

Yes i did read it and basiclly agrees on many points i made to you.

If you choose to even ignore these facts from the interview what else can show you the truth?

Tumblr cancer? Well yes there are many people who are outright crazy but i dont know what this has to do with MAL? I cannot change your mindset about this but you decided to ignore everything. Well i am part of everything as you humans. If you wish to see it this way i cannot change it. You believe what you want to believe even if this is a illusion yourself made up. Nobody has power here....expect the Mods.

You choose to ignore everything for the sake of whatever you try to archive.
I can only lend you a helping hand if you choose so to grab it. Exchangeing information is all i do. If you choose to lie and twist it i cannot help you.
You seriously need to stop ignoring the facts.

Welp you can say what you want. I am grateful for every interaction/conversation i have with no matter who it is. This is what it means to be human. New encounters, new information & experiences.
Always choose to move forward instead of stagnation.

Pretty accurate visual showcase of the situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mnjP8TyCK8

MonoReaper said:
@MightyM16
I guess you can never stop this because of your goald or whatever trhill it is you get out of this behavior.

.....So you ignore the fact that you written several post in the last few pages of this thread and deny everything that i stated there? If you read everything up and than look at my posts you will see that several times you either ignore whole points of my answere`s to you or answere with something that is either a new topic regarding DR or you make stuff up regarding what i posted you as an answere and twist is so it can fit your argument.

If you have no eyes and are blind than ok i understand that there is no proof for you to see but if you have at least one eye. Than i dont understand why you still ask me to show you proof of something that you can see af few pages ago.

Again these ar not interpretations. You say that and ignore the ingame events that happend. You always say i should show you the proof as a fellow DR Fan you should have the game DR2 play it again and see what is stated there. Everything i said is information i told you is from the game and scenes from the english version. Well not english perse but english translation. The dub for DR2 is not bad but i enjoy original voices more.

Well they are braindead.

There is nothing to be mistaken about. Youre the one who cannot agree or realease that this doesnt change the fact that Kamukura could bring them back. After all he is the deus ex machina of this world.

As long as there body is fine the can be brought back.

Also i mentioned this to you. Or to someone else regarding a similiar discussion about the NeoWorldProgramm. But the guys in stasis sleep they are not active in the NWP. Its not like the NWP works as a VR gear you just equip and than you go to virtual reality. Its all data in the end. Its a simulation of the quote on quote past memorys digitalized and set up in a virtual reality to collect hope pieces/shards and with this artificial created memorys overwritte the past of the RoD so they can be "saved" as stated by Naegi.
The RoD are not active in the NWP their copy of themselves is in there.
For example. You are old and know you will soon die. Tech is so advanced that you can save yourself and copy yourself to a robtic body or upload yourself in a virtual reality to live on forever (as long the power source is active and there is no dmg to the main "body" or anything relating to dmg your entitie in the VR)
Here is what happens. The transfer was suceesfull. You made a copy. Now ask yourself what happens to the old version of you? Do you think the aka stored personality in your organic computer is still there or is it just a hollow body?
The result of this is the same as what happend in the NWP.

1) as stated above you can go back and read all the pages up there is not point in twisting the beginning of the discussion that you can read up anytime you want.

2)AI Chiakis creator,

Komaedas and Izurus meeting and the questionable memory wipe of the 77th class about Izuru even if they never meet him besides Komaeda

Junko being worshipped as a goddness by the students the reserve school

Mukuros personality

the reason of the 77th class top salvage Junkos body (because with the explanation of the despair video there is no reason to worship junko because the only thing the "love" is despair Junko herself is not despair but only a harebringer of despair. So there is no valid reason to worship her in any form as she is no relevant for the brainwashed class to spread/create despair)

creator of creators of the NWP

third Junko AI that either never happend to appear or was the first Monokuma shown on screen in the HPA buidling and than never mentioned again.

Some of them are more plotholes than rekkon but in the end its the same with several statements the DR Future & Hope Anime made.

I never said Kodaka didnt want them to appear in the meaning of his statemant: The story of DR2 characters ended in 2.
His past statement doesnt change.

Even if he now says why and for what reason he did bring everyone back from DR2 it dosent change anything he said in the past.

Same goes for his statement now HPA story arc is over. This doesnt change but yet there are several hints and "leaks" that the DR1-2 characters will show up in V3 and V3 play in the same world.

I dont believe it in the moment but it is not the first time Kodaka said something and than either outright "lied" or does it for the sake of pandering and shenanigans.
Fact is he said this and that this were his feeligns about DR2 and there story 2 months prior to the first DR3 trailer.

Nothing changes this. I can say like the color red and than several years later i change my view on this color and say blue is now my favorite. It dosent change the fact i liked red but now like blue instead of red. Nothing changes these things.

First Tumblr cannot be cancer because as any platform of social interaction/media there will always be opinions and voices of people who are either of destructive nature or outright "insane" in terms of radical views on subjects. Tumblr itself nothing more than a platform the humans acting on this platform are the ones who as you called them "cancer".
Something as you stated occurs on every social based platform because humans vary in their nature, experiences and places they grew up. To say this and that platform is evil is nonsense. Every responsibility of actions fall upon us humans and only us humans on these platform`s.
Everyone is responsible for his own deed and with these deed to eithe be praised or blamed for them.

It`s not random poetic bullshit it is simply a easy truth that some of us dont want to face or accept.

PS: Brilliant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXFXQy6PNno

MonoReaper said:
@MightyM16

You lie and lie and lie.
You really are pure human in all aspects.
Dig your hole deeper and deeper until you have no more light.

How do you jump from "Kamukura brought them back" to "dont know how he did it"?
There is no question that Kamukura did it or how he did it.
He is the Deus Ex Machina of DanganRonpa. He can do everything he wants.
He can bring dead people back and he can with one slap of his hand hit you accross the room.

The concept of Kamukura is the Überhuman there is nothing he cannot archive.
There is no question how he did it. He does it because he can do it.
This is the whole reason Kodaka could bring back the 77th class. Because of something over the top like this.
Do you not understand this?

No the body is the tool for the brain. If you look at the mirror and question yourself what you see. You see not yourself as who you are because what you is flesh. Your body, eyes, nose, ears and so on. What "you" are and what we humans are is stord in the brain. The brain is where humans are stored. A brain can lose activity/dying but it doesnt delete the memorys on it. We just stop working if we reach a certain point of age or die in a accident to illness or anything that is causing a unnatural dead
Its the same basic principle for computers you have a on and off button. Only that humans in that regards are like batteries at one point we are out of power.

As i said they arent deleted why are you saying this? The stored data of their VR selfes is still in the NWP. Only because the VR collapsed trough the forced shut down of the participants/patients doesnt mean all data is lost.

The result was that their goal to rewritte the data into their brain and so overwritte their memorys as RoD failed. The only one who woke up is Hajime/Izuru that rememberd everything because he is the Überhuman with all talent that exists. After all the experiments on his body were not undone just by a machine.

As i said the NWP cannot change the thing down to Hajime. Naegi didnt knew about Kamukura and as he stated they all turned themselves in and nobody talked to Naegi and co.

They only knew he was Hajime Hinata not that he is Kamukuru Izuru. After all this was Izurus plan from the beginning. He himself knew his sealed memorys as Hajime Hinata would take over because of the NWP so he could watch who would win a fight. Nanamis Hope or Junkos Despair?
And in the end Hajime and Izuru had their full memorys thanks to the Nanami Glitch Hajime did meet Izuru got all his memorys back and beat Junko.
After all Kamukura had all the talent but no purpose and Hajime had not talent but a purpose/goal.´This is why Kamukura did it in the first place would Hope win and bring back his memorys or would despair still succeed and would the result woulndt change.
It was his experiment.

Answer to the question i asked you:
Nothing would change for your old body. You would still be in the body as the original the data/virtual self would exist at the same time.
Something like a transfer from body to a virtual entities is not how this works.
You only make a copy of yourself but the human you in flesh and blood still exists.
That is was the NWP did. Creating copy of their selves with the memorys of them run these copys in the VR and try to "save" them from despair trough this.
The only execption is Hajime/Izuru who would remember either way because of his talents as he is the Überhuman and has every talent that exists.

No as in the Despair Anime shown Izuru made the NWP and created AI Chiaki that rekkon the whole deal of the creators.

Because Chihiro never meet Chiaki and only Izuru would be capable to create something like this.

Also as Kodaka stated why this all changed. Because Chiaki in the first place was never meant to be a real person. The whole idear of a living Chiaki came with his idears for DR3 and how Junko made the 77th class fall into despair and into the RoDs.

This is what you call rekkon of existing ingame lore/story to make sense for the sequel`s storyline

Ofc it is important DR2 Chapter 0.

There was no reason to let Izuru ever meet Komaeda. Than in the end of the Despair Anime let all the 77th class delete their memorys of Izuru if only KOMAEDA meet him in the underground hideout!
Why wipe memorys of someone who they never meet!?! The rest of the 77th class never meet Izuru not once only Nanami(died) and Komaeda (got shoot to.....unconsciousness?) did meet him and that`s it. The whole thing about their memory wipe of him is nonsene that had no reason to ever happen.

Thats a lie it was never stated in DR/Zero how Junko did manage to create her followers.

The story is told from Ryokos & Matsudas view.

Nor does your post in any regards answer the reason why Junko was worshipped as a goddnes by the reserve course. In the DR3 Despair Anime she is neither worshipped nor has any real followers besides her sister.

Stop spouting lies.
Mukuro was never a siscon & masochist. Mukuro had her own toughts and personality in Zero & IF. Mukuro was a character.
What we got in DR3 Despair Arc was not Mukuro.

Junko is not despair.

She is despair drunk and her idear of entertainment and enjoyment is spreading & experiencing it. The whole reason for this is her real talent. Because of this she is bored of everything because she can predict the outcome of it. Despair is what gave Junko thrills. Despair was for here the factor X she could not always predict the outcome of it. This is her whole reason to cause all this mess in the world.
Junko is the harebringer of despair as she nonstop seeks despair for her own enjoyment.
Junko is not despair. She just loves it like madman. That the is called the Ultimate Despair is the reson for this. Because despair is her motiviation.

Expect that we never saw them create/work on it/ or any mention of it. Instead we got Kamukuras involvment in the NWP as well all the things regarding him creating Nanami AI because "who cares at this point about past game events."

This goes way back than. If you remember the ending of DR1 the Monokuma in the end was a AI Junko. She herself planned the possibility of defeat so she created AI/s copy of herself.

We know that 3 AIs exist/existed Kurokuma, Shirokuma and the HPAMonokuma after an Interview with Kodaka(ANN Interview about UDGs/AnotherEpisode) he confirmed it that this was indeed Junko AI in the end coming to life after Junkos dead as she planned.

This is why if you notice it. EP1 of Future Arc you see a Monokuma and in the backround walking/talking in HPAs gym classroom.

This the moment they all believe this is "real". After this first EP this Monokuma never shows up again on screen and only the acting Monokuma from the recorded Anime version comes up.
This is a plothole because there is still the one AI out there.

I dont hold onto the past
Do you not understand this?

Things you say in the past dont change the things you say in the future.

You can feel and think one way and several months/years later have a different view about life/things and so on.

Kodakas statements about his games and the toughts process about these games as he worked on them or finished them dont change. It never will.

He only adds new experiences and views to them as he gets older.
This is something so basic we all do.

Can you not understand this concept of living of live as a human?

Do you not understand that this doesnt change his past statements from the statements he made in the present and will do in the future?
Is is so hard for you to grasp this?

Yeah i want to believe this to. But this is Kodaka his shenanigans and pandering never stops so it seems. I think it may be just a bonus as it seems for now.
But with the leaks and all the stuff from famitsu this will be the new HPA school from Naegi.

I really hope this will not happen but it is Kodaka this is what he does. Shenanigans

I didnt talk about Tumblr but about every social media platform as you quote you said "Tumblr is cancer"
This is wrong. A social media platform cannot be cancer nor anything evil. Facebook cannot be evil, Twitter cannot be evil, MyAnimeList cannot be evil.
The humans using them can be as you stated "cancer" in terms of their behavior and in regards your views on life and certain subjects that differ from what think and see as standart.
Saying something is bad or evil is nonsense nothing is evil until we humans view it as evil and categorize it in that way.
SJWs is a abbreviation of what?

Well i know its hard to accept or believe but this is a simple truth of live.
Humans tend to complicate things as you do but if you go easy on yourself you will know how much easier it is for you to accept such things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MmYx1ayYTM

MonoReaper said:
@MightyM16

Dont get me wrong. The term "pure human" is no insult i noticed it in regards to your answeres and aggression in some of your posts.

Kamukura can archive what humans could archive because he has every Talent possible for humans to have.
Could he fly? Yes he builds something for example a jetpack and could fly.
Shoot lasers? Yes he could create or manipulate his body with artificial parts to make it happen.

With his Ultimate Talent+(the knowlege with it) he could find a way to reanimate their dead bodys.
Its is not unrealistic because this is what Kamukura is as i said he is the Hope of humanity he is the Überhuman who has every talent that humans can or could have.

Supernatural powers as you stated could be possible but the only example for this would be UDGs thing with the ghost and the alien gag. Well the alien gag is more like a running gag this is even in ZeroTimeDilemma.

With this respond i tought you would disagree with me. So i explained the basic idear of "who we are" to you.

You state that my fundamental argument would be Junko. As i told you several times: "i don't" but you think this regardless of what i say to you.

It was never certain wether if this was the truth after all Junko wanted their bodies. Yes they would be lost if Junko would overwritte them and yes they would stay dead but their body is still alive thanks to the NWP. Their brain is just the one thing that is not working anymore.

Because Junko killed them in order to overwritte their brain. After all it seems that it is not possible for her to overwritte her personality into living people with active brains.

Yes Sonia, Fuyuhiko, Akane, Kazuichi woke up as well. We dont know if the had their memories full or not.

After all they didnt die and even with the forced shutdown the data is still there. Only Hajime would remember no matter what because he is only one who choose to let it happen so he could watch who would win. Junkos Despair or Nanamis Hope. It was his experiment after all.

The NWP is not beyond Kamukura because Kamukura is the Deus Ex Machina of this world it wouldn't affect him.

Or did you forget that he did meet Izuru in the end and with the help of Nanami and all the experience and memorys he made with the 77th virtual class he made his mind up and found the resolve to move forward nor despair nor hope. Just moving straight forward to the future. This was the turning point for both Kamukur and Hajime after all they are one and the same. They lack each other's halves. This is why he got red eyes and the cross. The fusion of Kamukura & Hajime.

Yes Hajime got it back not matter what. The rest not because they died. After Kamukura/Hajime saveing them they made it back with all their memorys as their time in the 77th class and RoDs.
This is possible because of Kamukura as Deus Ex Machina.

The anime never showed it to us that they made any contact. They never explained if there is any family realtion with Chihiro or his Dad.

Thus we have no proof or any evidence other the scene with Kamukura and Chiaki and stateing he would try is own experiment = he referred to the NWP that at this point didnt exist as it is in the game. So why would he refer to something that is not build and nobody in this chaos could create or should create a AI Chiaki other than Kamukura who knew Chiaki and was his sole reason to do what he did in DR2.

There is no proof anyone else made AI Chiaki because it was not shown to us.

The hints from DR2 about Chiaki being created by her father and little brother are now translated to Kamukura is her "father" and AI Chihiro is her "brother".
AI Chiaki spoke about her father so it is false to say Chihiro is the father stated in DR2 events after the DR3 that showed nothing in any regards to this.
There is no proof for it because thanks DR3 anime.

Your quote from the article is exactly agreeing what i just told you in regards to the real Chiaki.

She was the result of Kodaka thinking about how he could make the 77th class fall into despair= real Chiaki.

Exactly it did not confirm it because she was never meant to be real thus there was no need for confirmation because as Kodaka stated: DR2 characters story ended in 2."

Thus until he came up with DR3 as an Anime Chiaki was only a AI nothing more.
Real Chiaki existed later because Kodaka wanted her to be real later on.
There is the differencen between intentions and storyline that are made from the beginning to the end of a story.
And a storyline that is made up step by step after you have idears for sequels.
This is something you dont understand. You ignore past & future. You only think about this as of in the here and now. That`s why you dont understand the basic difference between this structure and Kodakas result of his storytelling.

So you base your answere and "logical" proof to something that may or may not happend offscreen. And Kamukura may or may not meet the 77th class offscreen for a reason we dont know?

Do you know how unlogical and weird this sounds.

What reason would he have to meet them as he regards everyone as boring and stated he is interested in his experiment after Nanami made his sealed but still existing Hajime half cry.

There is no reason and agrumenting that this happend offscreen is no argument at all because we will never know the reason for this nor if it really happend.

This is what you call a plothole. It clashes with something that happend at some point of time in the story. Nagito stated he doesnt know him and Kamukura.
Than DR3 Despair Arc happend. Didnt show us anything in regards of meeting or interacting with the 77th class and than says wipe their memorys to Junko?
You should see how much nonsense this is. We have no proof nor any shown interaction between them.

Mukuro never acted as such a masochist & siscon in both Novels.

You could at least put a spoiler on the Zero(Junko) stuff for anyone who will read this.

Yes because at this point of time we tought Junko gained her followers trough her own abilits and not something like a Despair Video/Book and all that nonsene.

It was always hinted that she made them to her followers with her charisma, their emotions and her lying or exposeing the human experiments + the massaker of the student council etc.

The whole thing with the DespairVideo was never mentioned or told in the Novel.
The part you told about Ryoko is a bold lie of yours.

Again gaining followers that worship her as a goddness and being brainwashed with some video are 2 different things. 1 is of their own free will 2 is straight up mindcontrole.

Also it is the same bullshit as the Rod salvaging her body.
There is no reason for them to follower her orders. After all they would in the end be the same as the RoD and brainwashed to love and spread despair.
Thus Junko has no relevance to them. They were brainwashed to love despair not to follow Junko and do her biding.

The guys who was consciousness and sawed his own head off is also illogical.
His mind is still there but his body is in controle of Junko?
What kind of brainwashing video can do all these things at once?

In regards of brainwashin after years of torture or similar means you can make someone so loyal he would eat his own shit for you.
But with the only explanation all the students saw this video as shown in the Anime via their smartphones/handys they were brainwashed to listen to junko, loveing despair, and even be controlled by her if your mind is still there but your body will nonetheless listen to her?

Even in terms of DR this is pretty much bullshit on a new level.

That`s why it is one thing to brainwash them to love despair like she did with the 77th class and their teacher. A different to brainwash them to listen to Junko.

And it is a different than worshipping her or salvage her body parts.
The reason why they all followed Junko instead of following their prime brainwash directive and spread despair is nonsense.

Yes you can argue that with following Junko they would spread despair more efficient but it is still a big assumption that all of this works out exactly like that.

She calls herself so as a title Ultimate Despair. But nobody can be something raw. As nobody can be evil just becaue he is evil.
You are not born with something magical called hope nor despair.
Junko is that way she is because of her talent.
You cannot be wrath, greed or envy solely. Being human is something more complex Junkos motivation is more complex than her just being "Despair and Despair" only.
It is nonsense to be only "Justice" or "Injustice"
Thos things can be a movtivation/groundwork for your personality but it alone cannot be you yourself alone.
DR themes are Hope and Despair as a fundamental cause/motivation for the world. But there is more to the characters than just they are "Hope" they are "Despair".
If you really belief this than you dont understand the nature of something like "what is a character", "what is my characters".
Or do you call yourself only "Strong" or "Love" and that`s it?

Yeah that is possible for this one. But we saw at the end of UDGs that Kamkura ripped 2 module`s. Indicating in each unit is their own copy of Junko AI.
Yes Shiro & Kuro worked together but regardless of this they were two units with their own "bodies"

Same for the HPAMonokuma in the end whose fate is still unknown to us in that regards. This is still a loose end because we dont know what happen to this AI Junko and this AI could still be out there.

Yes i know they were fooled with the recorded video.
But think about it. Would they all react this way in EP1 if they knew this was recorded with the backround of the HPA Gym classroom and the jumping Monokuma that Naegi rememberd?

It is strange to show this exact Monokuma and talking about "third time is the charm" "This will be our final battle of Hope & Despair" talking to the FF who at the point Junko made this videos didnt exist and even talking directly to Naegi about the conclusion of both their storys!

I doubt this were the recorded video from the USBs sticks. He was talking to to them and talking about a stuff that happend after DR1 events when Junko was already dead.

Well you can use Google you know they are out there and i hope this will be just some fake leaks. Or else Kodaka really is either not sure his new soft reboot can live without the old characters or just wants to the grab the cash with the old characters one more time.

I simply point your nonsense out in regards calling social media platform`s evil.
Its nonsene. Nothing is evil or good. Evil and & good dont exist. We use them to categorize things
Cancer of course is a real illness but in regards pf you calling social media i quote you "cancer" is wrong.
It cannot be cancer. It is simply a communication platform for humans. If you like it or not it`s something that has to do with yourself and situational with the humans you interact with on these social media platforms.

MonoReaper said:
@MightyM16

It is impossible for now. People never dreamt to fly like birds and after the now famous brothers made it happen.

Revolution in terms of technology and science is always evolveing.
The imbossible now is the possible tomorrow.

And in DRs case that always had Sci-Fi elements and over the top moments it is not imbossible to bring back the dead for Kamukura.

After all this case was special. Their bodies were fine they were still in the capsules on the NWPs lifesupport. It is a special and for someone like Kamukura who is the possibility of humans potenzial in every aspect he could do the impossible. This is the whole idear behind Kamukura the Überhuman.

First the most likely thing is that Kamukura had no real interest in her until she died thus made him cry. After this she was dead due multiple and extreme blood loss. (That she even lasted this long is a miracle itself)

I highly doubt he could save her with bare hands no medical tools near him.
A whole different case with the RoD on the island with all the FF Equipment.

From the OVA PV trailer we basiclly saw what i told you.

The VR self of Komaeda in his "perfect world". After all the virtual self(data) is not deleted thus it could go on in his own "bubble"
The world ender in this case would be either Hajime interfering from the outside or Kamukura acting for his own agenda.
There is also the question if everyone form the 77th class member who died is in the same bubble as him or is it his own space?
Everything besides that is the story of the data self being overwritten to his body.
This probably happend to everyone that died.

Well this wouldn't be the first time of miscommunication between us. (or outright ignorance)

Again this is what you stated and either made up or truly believed that i said this as the sole base of my posts to you.

We dont know if they did remember. We only saw Hajime standing with his back to us watching Naegi and co. leaveing.
After all the orignial plan with the NWP failed. The outcome could be either that they did follow Kamukura as they all turned themselves in with no resistence.
There is also the question if the Hajime we saw in the end was more a symbolic way to show us it is Hajime/Izuru and that is the reason we see him as Hajime and not Izuru after all he should have his long hair and black suit.
The possible if this outcome could go two ways. The remember everything and the data did overwritte their memorys of the surviving cast or they didnt remember and followed Kamukuras order.

Kamukura stated that he wouldn't be able to actively participate in the upcoming events to Komaeda in Chapter 0.
It is the same case as Kamukura cried after Nanami took her last breath. Because Hajime was still in him watching.

In this case Kamukura would be the observer and Hajime the mind/consciousness in action.

Well Kamukuras theme played in this moment and "clones" of Hajime with red eyes and Kamukura hair talkin to him.

Why do this and Hajime even rememberd in the trial some of his memorys as Kamukura. The wall between them was breaking.

It is a interesting point to make after all in the final sore wa chigauo glitch Chiaki was with him. But still the red eyes, white hair/counterpart to Kamukuras black hair & the cross eyes. It all indicates that this Hajime is the one who overcame his own past and accepted his sins. Than the whole conclusion of moving forward towards their future they created together with all their friends.

This is the same Hajime the saw in the Hope Arc. He made the same arguments to Mitarai that he should no longer run away from the past and make the same mistake with the mindcontrole "Hope" video.

Well its not like i created Kamukura. Kodaka did it with this idear in mind.
And everything shown to us is almost on a superhuman level aka Überhuman.
Like slapping with the back of his hand Mukuro across the room.
This itself is insane. But this is DR over the top and it is a game after all.

You miss the point here aswell.
At this point of time DR2 came out AI Chiaki was still a AI. The whole idear that this is the classmate they created because of a real Chiaki was not the idear of Chiaki back than.

As you and i explained.
Chiaki is the product of Kodakas idears for a what will happen after/sequel and the "final" conclusion to the HPAStoryline.
The argument itself clashes with the whole idear from back than. Because as i explained.
There is important fundamental difference between a story no matter what format(Book, videogame, movie):
The story and all the plot is made from beginning to the end the idear + concept has a existing narrative and story.
The story has a beginning and a idear for a ending but the story is not done with every last detail. There are blank gaps that can be told and it can have a open ending.
This is a basic example for this case.
Kodaka back than hat no real idear to tell us what happens after.
The idear and details were not finished.
Thus it clashes with things set up/told in past games because the idear back than was a different one than the conclusion in said sequels.
That you dont understand the difference between this and nonetheless base your arguments on connections that were never made at the point of time of DR2.
You cannot look at DR3 the same way as DR2.

DR2 storys/idears had already existed at the point of time DR1 ended.

You ignore the past circumstances that intervine with the outcome of the future product/result of the story. You only choose to look at them in the present. As if the whole DR story around HPA was told in the moment you played the first game and with is you knew everything that would happen to DR3Future/Hope/Despair Arc and this is the whole reason your arguments make no sense.

To understand everything "the why and what & the how and who" the whole journey of DR series until now. Kodakas storytelling the whole concept and idear you need to understand the how and why certain thing happen the way they did.
For example its like you are telling me you know from let`s say the 20.12.2016 that in 500 years from now on Jesus would come from the sky and fight the demons that lived in the planet in order to save humanity because humanity freed them because of reason X and thus event Y happend.
And you know all of this because you saw someone on the street with the sign "THE END IS NEAR".

Yes DR0 events happend offscreen. But we know what happend in DR0 because the Novel already told us. Ofc it would be awesome to see Ryoko and not just 3 secounds of angry face Matsuda.
But as you said due limitations of a anime production and their time blocks it was no possible to implement this in the anime. It was not imporant because Despair Arc was about the 77th class and their fall into despair. Everything besides this was fanservice or side questions from the past like the real face of the Ultimate Imposter. There was no need for it but it was still awesome.

You compare something that is never 100 % stated and as players we could only speculate how it may or may not happend in this way.
You cannot compare something that was never shown to us to something that was shown in the form or a novel.
There is a big difference between this and that.

Again Kamukura meeting the 77th class expect Komaeda who got shoot or Nanami is only speculation. We never saw it.

There is no proof for it because it never happend in the Anime. We can guess & speculate it. Nonetheless we have no 100 % proof.
Its nonesense to base your argumentation on something that is not shown nor explained in any form and has no backed up source neither ingame or in the Anime other than circumstantial evidence.

Mukuro cares about her sister. She doesnt get thrills out of her being hurt by her neither was she such a extreme siscon.

She fullfilled her role to Junko as she saw herself as a weapon a tool with the sole purpose of killing. Because she has no other option/future in her mindset. From everything we know that she lived on the street for some time with Junko most likely due Junkos doing whatever happend between their parents and them/her. Mukuro trusted Junko because of whatever exactly may happend between them and their familiy in the past.
She was her family and would aid her no matter what.
She was not a siscon nor a masochist.
That for example Junko tried to hurt or kill her (in the car or even Kamukura with the baseball bat) is just Junkos way to experience even more despair. Loseing her sister/family. Or that she could kill Kamukura whom she thought of highly because he would be the "amazing" person she could use/manipulate (with the despair bait). If this person would die by her hands it would change her "hope" for him into "despair" because her expectation would be disappointed.
Junkos twisted way of caring/loving someone is something Mukuro's knows and is "normal" for her.

Again this is a bold lie of yours about DR0 events.

There was never stated that all the reserve students and 77th class was brainwashed due the video. It was always suggested Junkos charisma and blackmailing/useing the past of people to break them was the mentioned brainwashing of her.

Also it doesnt matter if you believe nobody will read it or not. The possibility of you spoiling someone about the Novel and the whole plottwist is still there.
Most of the DR fans only know about the games not about the Novels like DanganRonpa0 or Kirigiri for example. UDGs Despair Hagakure is also only known because it was in the game.

And only fansubs of DR0 exist.
So if you care about anyone who will read this and didnt read the Novel or knew of the existence said Novel than put it under a spoilerwarning or in a BBC spoiler .
The things we talk about is the games and Anime everyone should play or know. Othewise nobody would understand the whole deal about DR3Hope/Despair/Future Arc.

Nothing is more or less believable.

For example Mitarais "Hope" video on his smartphone was also crazy and stupid.
Soldier looks for at most 2 secounds in the video and will obey to Mitarai no matter what it is.

This was just stupid.

Even the suicide video that Naegi watched took him several secounds and the could for a short amount of time resist it to some extend.

DR was always over the top and extreme at some points. May it be violence/gore or crazy Talents like "Luck". But this was a whole new level of over the top crazyness. Even for DanganRonpa.

My points on the Mindcontrole video stands but than please explain to me . Lets say the follow Junko because with her they can cause greater Despair. Why! Why would the RoD salavge her body? Komaeda? Okay he was crazy even before he turned to the Despair side about the whole idear of "Hope". But the rest? Rapeing the dead body? Transplant her eye to someone? Starve almost to death? Why would they do this? Its like they had some form of affection for her. Some form of "worship" worship doesnt exist because the whole directive of the video was spreading despair/causing it because they saw it as something "good".
Again this whole deal about them takeing body parts of her or "rapeing" her "body" is itself not explained anymore. Because they were brainwashed due artfical means not because of their own free will.

Also to mention that Junko got crushed in DR1 to GOO is also something that was simply ignored.

I get your point about Shiro and Kuro but we talk about Junko you know her real talent. Ultimate Analyst the AIs probably did each end their sentences out of "fun". As the could easily guess what the other would say. 'After all they have the one at the same personality.

You could agrue that the are connected in some form but it is still more likly she just played/fooled around like Junko always does she acts differents ways because the same personality bores her.
And yes he could be Kuro or Shiro than still the most logical conclusion would be she just copied herself to 2 new moduls.
This is why it is a loose end and the scene of EP1 of DR3 was so weird.

At this point they tought it was real. You would know the difference between a recording and the real deal on the screen. Everything after this moment of EP1 looks like a recording.

How could or would Tengan manage to create something like that of EP1 that looks "real" "lifelike". He is no Ultimate animator nor would Mitarai ever again do something like this. After all Tengans intentions for im were to survive and not even participate in his killing game.

Those scene of EP1 is still a mystery because this was the moment Naegi tought it was a real Monokuma moveing in the old HPA Gym classroom plus after this they dont see any broadcasts in terms of like EP1.

Thus the were fooled the viewer (us) were fooled and tought it would be a real person behind it. But still as the show goes on you see something is weird about this Monokuma after EP1 and the things he does and say. Like a recorded "Anime". Same for the living person counter we saw every episode it was made to fool the viewer.

That is way this one scene is so weird. Because this is the only moment it acts and is interacting with the FF and Naegi!

Everything after this you can see something is wrong about this Monokuma.
There is a difference that will probably never be explained. Telling me the reason is cause Hohohoh crazy Grandpa one more argument to how implausible the whole storyline & setup of the Future Arc is/was.

Welp you didnt inform yourself but i did.
Appearently in the realeased Demo of V3 the old characters will show up in a dungeon crawler like Minigame? And in the trial as guest characters in the Demo. Some picutres and scene were the exact same as the leaks.

I know you dont care. It doesn't make your nonsense about social media platforms any more true and confirms your tunnel vision on certain things

Sixthscarlett said:
Can someone explain? Why the hell students that killed on DR2 (Peko, gundham, mahiru etc) still alive on this episode?
I'm pretty sure naegi said that they would'nt comeback alive?
Btw this episode just too boring to be ending episode, it seems rushed

MonoReaper said:
@MightyM16

Nobody said the would. You think that way. Humanity always improved due means of creativity.

The whole deal about us being number 1 on this planet is because we try to adapt due technology and creating stuff that can help us survive or make the everyday easy.
If Kamukura is the potential of humanity (Hope of humanity) than he has all talents that humans could have or archive.

But this is the exact point. Kamukura is a genius among geniuses as he is the avatar of human talent itself.
What he could do with ressources or create would be insane for us in the here and now because he could create technology that would bring us from 2016 to 2500 in terms of technology & science.
What is the impossible for us now is the possible of tomorrow then.
What we think is far far away dream: like colonizing other planets or normally fly in spaceships someday is for Kamukura just a simple step.

Everything in regards to medical talents would be the obvious talent to reanimate a brain. Ofc you could arge about more "supernatural" talents like Luck for example. Because this is pretty much more like a Superpower of cause and effect than a talent itself.

I am not streching it. Kamukura is the possibility itself thats why he can make it maken. Ofc he couldnt just fly of with not means to stay in air or even fly like a jet without any gear or tech. Could he probably jump high? Yes. Could he copy the sick moves of Akane like climbing the building or jumping down? Yes.
Could he like Jesus just revive people with one touch. No of course not.
With your way of reasoning you say like the famous brothers the forefathers modern airlines were some sick wizards that pulled their results of trial and eror out of their ass.
If Kamukura is talent of humans itself than he is the possibility of humankinds growth itself!

Also as i said they 77th class was after all a special case. Their bodies were not damaged nor did their body stop working. They died in mind because they believed they died for real.

Reanimating a human is not that unrealistic after all in most cases the body is either heavly damaged or the part of the brain are have fatal wounds of are destroyed.

Here we have the case of a fine body with a intact brain that ceased functions.
To reanmite the brain you would try to recreate the electric impulse of the brain.
Everything after this is only theory and speculation in terms of our RL pov.
DR is after all fiction thus for a Deus Ex Machina like Kamukura + him having every potential Talent that humankind can have or could have with all of this Kamukura could do something like this because that is exactly what Kodaka intended. He can make the impossible of now the possible of tomorrow.

Bringing back dead and bringing back the 77th class is something different. The 77th in the NWP is a special circumstance itself due the technology of the NWP. The stored data of themselves in the NWP and the lifesupport from it.
Nanami died because of multiplse wounds and loss of blood.
If Kamukura tryd coulde he revive her? Maybe we can only speculate after all there is no NWP tech around him nor anything to help her in the state she is.
Kamukura cried and got interested in her because Hajime was still in him.

It was proven that the mind ereasing tech of Matsuda is not ever lasting and you would remember everything after some time.

It is also imbossible to just straight up delete everything from the brain about your whole past. After all if we would lose everything in terms of memorys we would cease to do normal things like walking or simply speaking language.
The concept of the how and why they could create Kamukura was never meant to be explained in detail nor ever meant to dig deeper. After all it is fiction.
Hajime cannot be ereased or they would just create a somewhat grown up baby that needs to learn everything from scratch.
Hajime was still there he was just not the one in controle.
If it helps you it would probably be something like dreaming or sleeping.

See you twist my answere to you because you fail to engage the matter due normals means.

So you quote my answere from were i explained to you he could with the ressources build from scratch a jet pack or due artifical limps shoot laserbeams out of the "bodyparty".
As you stated he would or could do something like this because of supernatural means/magic etc.
Your either out of wisdom in that regards or simply believe if you act ignorant again you can flee from this part of my comment.
You seem to love breaking some of my sentences out of context to justify your arguments.

Again you seem to misunderstand the difference between being active in a virutal reality. For example VR glasses.
And the NWP copy & paste their brains and create a artificial version of themselves and let them run in a simulation to create new memorys. Those memorys/data would overwritte than the past memorys of them as RoD.
The whole purpose of the NWP is to help patients with traumas to overcome them aka replace the "bad" memory with the "good" one to "cure" the patient.
The mind of the person in flesh and the mind of the secound self in the virtual world/data form are different 2 entities in their own spaces.

You think this way. I just answere you in the meantime everything you cannot answere or dont want to answere for whatever reason that may be you twist my sentences or outright lie.

They did trust Hajime as he was the sole reason they made it out safe. Everyone was hopeless in that moment only Hajime made it clear that they cannot let their future be wasted they and their friends created together.

No they didnt cling to Hope.

Again the difference of DR2 was neither hope nor despair was their side. They choose the future. There would be a lot of good & evil out there. A lot or hardships & peacefull days. There would be a lot of despair & hope out there.
But they decided to move forward. They didnt cling to one of them. They choose to move forward not matter what to accpect their sins of the past to live in the now to create their future togethers.

This was the conclusion of the DR2 ending.
They didnt choose Naegis Hope nor AI Junkos Despair.

They made their own decision by going their own path.

If he cut his hair or not is not of importance. The ending of Hajime/Izuru standing there viewing Naegi and co leaving is a symbolic note to indicate everything will be fine now. That his 2 halfs come together as one. 2 sides of a coin are in the end one & the same.

After all Hajime/Izuru & co. stayed behind to help their sleeping friends.

I see no difference in his locked away memories as Hajime being still in there after all Izuru is Hajime in the end of the day. He may lack his memorys but they are still in there. Or else he wouldnt cried in the first place.

Several things in DR dont work like the regular case.

Kamukura in the end is a special existence and everything else than normal.

This theme is played if Kamukura related things happen.

Why would you say he dont act like this? Yes it hit Hajime because he had not the greatest self-confidence. Kamukuras experiment was to test the ouctome. The breaking wall between him and Hajime plus the end game of Junko. Would "Hajime" his other part be strong enough to let Nanamis hope bloom or would it all be for nothing?

That he overcome the doubts was due the Nanami glitch and him accpeting his past as RoD and himself as a person.

Random memory? It was a pretty important and specific memory. The memory of him before his plan/experiment is set in motion.

It is a important details of the whole DR2 storyline because he basiclly is the mastermind.

Its the first time that in reality you played a "evil" character a antagonist.
You were the whole mastermind behind the NWP failing and AI Junko doing all this stuff in the virtual space.

This is not some random memory this is one of the most important details of the whole final arc of DR2. Sir you just made yourself a big big fool.

No Hajime stated quote: I will live on as Hajime Hinata.
Indicateing he accpected his other part Kamukura and he and his other half came to a understanding after all Kamukuras experiment ended in Nanamis Hope suceeding.

He saw that Hope is also interesting. So interesting that this changed Kamukura as it changed Hajime.
The result was his new personality decided to life on as Hajime because Hajime is the root of his character as it gives Kamukuras talent reason and Hajime purpose.
He himself in the end is a whole "new" Hajime.

You my dear comment partner are twisting things. You twist and lie that i would believe due to magic and miracles he could fly or shoot lasers out of his eyes.
You choose to ignore the whole logical explanation how Kamukura could do it with ressources

You my dear User twist and lie. Take several of my sentences out of context to justify your argumentation. Your the one who choose to lie and outright twist my posts because either you cannot counter it properly or dont know what else to do.

We knew there existed a Ultimate Programmer weknew form several hints that AI Chiaki indicated that Chihiro was her creator the same creator did create the the AI version of himself. Its simple as that to count 1+1=2. Also that ingame the 3 cerators/Ultimaes are referencend. You simply ignore ingame fact that were stated or happend in the game. But this is nothing new as you did this the entire time on the last pages.

Chiakir talked about her father like she knew him. Indicating that she had conversations with her creator. If she was real made from a real person or simply created as a AI was unknown.

You could either theorise or speculate about this. At this point of time.

As i pointed out the whole origin around Chiaki and AI Chiaki is a mess because this was never intended that way as it ultimately was told/shown in the DR3 Anime.

But you refuse to ignore they way how this whole plot was first introduced and later changed/rekkon to fit the sequels storyline to make sense of it.

I explained you several things several times and you still choose to ignore or twist these answere`s

Look up the past pages or play the game again the source of the information is there and after all these are great games even if you replay it several times.
DR1 final chapter with junko or the bonus mode after you finished the game for the first time.

Your argumention is like saying Person X killed several people today you saw it. Tomorrow he says he didnt kill anyone but you saw it. By your logic you would say he just changed his mind so this is not the inviolable truth becaue he stated something different than he has down in the past/yesterday.

The beginning of a story the origin/roots of it are imporant. You cannot ignore the time period it was produced and how it came out. How the creator of it felt about it in this time period and what the idears where for it. The sequels of this and how it works toegther with the past and plays out new/goes different ways as the original intentions are important.
You ignore the past and future and argumetn against my answere with the present information. You take the information we have now as omnipotent argumention and ignore everything that resulted in the conclusion of the past games. You take the narrative as it all came out on this exact day as DR3 came out and finished airing.

This is what you do. That is why your arugmentation is flawd to begin with. You choose to ignore circumstances of the past and the meaning of it in the future to base your argumention around the present.
Idk if you didnt notice this but this is what you do.

It does contradict you point because you say something that we never saw as equal to something that we know in detail those details that have a whole Novel to tell you those things.

With something that may or may not have happend in the timeskip we will never know about it or see it.

Its like you say all planets are for a fact cubes because they indicated this would be reality.

Even if you never saw the planet from space nor have any source to back this statement up other than circumstantial evidence. You equal this with a whole Novel/Book full of events that happend offscreen around the same time.
Do you have better understand of it now the point you made is fundamental flawed.

Now its not. Kamukura talks about Junko if she kept her promise to him about the memory wipe of the 77th class. This alone doesnt explain the need of it nor if they every meet him at all. There is not 100 % solid proof nor any source other than this circumstantial evidence. This is your so called "proof" of your argumention for it.

Again Mukuro was never this hardcore siscon and masochist.

That your sole base for your counterargumentation is restricted time to evolve her character & tell her story due the limitations of Anime production doesnt make it better not justifys the means of Kodaka reducing Mukuro to nothing but this.

This is not the insight we got to her personality on all the scource material we have.

Its like you would be okay with Kirigi going full fangirl mode over Naeigi and being horny around him all the time.

Due time limitations of the Anime to fully develop her characters or show any normal interaction with her as a person.

My points dont change it was never stated that due to Mitarais despair video she gained her followers nor does it justify the worship of her as a goddness or the roaming Monokuma mask followers of her in the chaos driven world.

Its a difference about Junko blackmailing or outright lying.

To DR1-2-UDG+Novel indicate Junkos charisma and abilitys to manipulate peopls due blackmailing, emotions and there past made it possible to gain enough power and let the world fall into despair with this said power and followers she archived.

Old brainwashing is the key to sucees pandering is not what all those games hinted.

Everyone who follower her or did here biding was due this video expect Kamukura and Mukuro.

Kodakas main target audience and the rest audience around the world have nothing to do with people either know nothing about these Novels/Novel.

It is important yes ofc. It shows us how certain things happend and it gives a lot of answere to questions we had but also made new ones like the secret around Kamukura that was only mentioned in her notebook or the whole fate of Matsuda as a imporant character to this universe.

Welp your twisting and lying is the made up illusion of magic powers you want to be real so it seems.
Keep on lying and twisting dig your hole deepr until you see no more light.

Effect was not permanent? Were saw we is was not permanent until Mitarai set them free?

They would shoot their own allies because of Mitarai and didnt stop until Togamis swag force beat them up or the DR2 cast made them unable to fight.
There was no indication it would just wear of after some time. What he showed them was this so called "Hope" video that is basiclly the same only that they world will be puppets to Mitarais orders instead of Junko.

Possiblity of humanity my dear user. The possiblity of everything mankind could archive.

Okay you say they didnt put prime directives in their but still made them love despair and the need to spread it?

You contradict yourself here. Brainwashing is the essence of either make your target obey after long time of "brainwashing" or in this case have technology that as Junko explained with all this visual stuff and whatever Mitarai also used to create this despair videio and with it these prime directives.

Are they robots now because the follow those orders? To an extent you can argue about this but the didnt choose follow her of their own free will thus only follow the prime principles of said video.

That from this alone they know that Junko the only one and only one around the entire world who is as you state "pure despair" is really really lucky coincidence and outcome for Junko.

That they know she is the one who will lead to greater despair and dont do their own things as the "will" of Junko.
Because they are presented that the acted on their own and didnt follow Junkos orders perse the only did what they tougth would lead to greater despair.

Fukuhiko taking over his Yakuza clan, Sonia useing her own country to spread despair and so on. This makes sense. That the did Junkos biding by all means because of something vage as because she is "pure despair" and nothing more is nonsense.

Mondo butter also happend and it was pretty crazy.
If you begin to reason like that to explain Junkos body being crushed to nothing but flesh and blood than ok i guess you try to twist everything around to ignore the plotholes and loose ends.

Yes i dont argue about that it is possible after all but at the same time it could just be Junko fooling around as she always speaks/acts in new ways because she is bored with one at the same.
And its not headcanon Kodaka himself said that in the end this Monokuma was a AI but didnt answere any further questions in that regard.

This is why you can speculate about this but in the end it is still a loose end.
The same as the surivors are or Kanon. They will never be mentioned these are loose ends.

Yeah i get the idear behind the illusion of the game make believe.
But didnt you notice the fundamental difference between the Monokuma from EP1 and the Monokuma acting in the rest of the show?

The Monokuma after this never talks directly to one person anymore.

In EP1 he states Naegis name FF things

and reacts to Naegi talking to him this will be their final conclusion their final fight of hope and despair. (It never was but that is not important)

He directly talked to Naegi after he said he would never let such a game happen again.

After this nothing of this degree ever happens again.

This is the weird point.

Why make it in EP1 the HPA gym hall backround if you they could easly just show a screen of a Monokuma face of the ongoing animaiton.

Exactly because this was not on the USG sticks Tengan got from our brainwashed teacher.

The explanation Tengan let them create this with FF people is more than ridiciuols if you know the world is in a messy stated slaugther and murder is the daily live in this time and Monokuma is the big mascot for all Despair loveing maniacs.

You really belief Tengang could pull shit like this in secret of or make other people help him with some so suspicious? I highly doubt it. Nor is ther any proof for it.

Heck even how he knew about all the underground floors of the island of Munakata

or how he mangaed to set all of this up without anyone noticeing with is ridiciouls itself.

That his motivation was bullshit and he is now the crazy old trolling grandpa meme is thanks to loose ends and the lack of a villian in the DR3 Future Arc.

They didnt care about Monaca anymore and just shoot her to space because they didnt bother to finish her plot anymore after Junko really died this time.

Yeah not to mention that there was no hiding person as the counter told us with the Number

and oh remember the statement you should read DRKillerKiller because he will be important for the Future Arc. OH BOY HOW I LOVED THIS FINISHED PLOT AND HOW IT CONNECTED TO THE FUTURE ARC OH BOY OH BOY. (sarcasm off)

It actually is because Junko had a valid reason.

Tengan either was so old or just outright crazy or even in despair (we dont know if he watched the video or not)

and killed his own allies

because he tought some of them may or may not be RoD or allied with them.

Oh boy thats a good reason to kill everyone you worked with ignoreing their good deed the lives they safed and everything they done to bring peace toegther.

Yes kill them all Hohohohoh i am crazy old Tengan hohohohoh. There is no other option than violence because despair cannot killed with war alone but i will kill despair with violence and a killing game alone hohoho.

As i said the leaks were from the Demo that was released yesterday and those pictures came from said Demo. You try really hard to lie and twist my sentences again and again. "sigh" you dont even do it subtile.

Well lets hope this is the case.

From Stage1: Nothing related to the old DR chars will be in the game this is a new universe
Stage2: Old DR chars will appear but only in the demo this is still a different universe

Stage 3: DR chars will appear in the game as bonus content after your first walktrough nothing is connected.

Stage4: Oh boy Kodaka done it again he fooled us and "lied" to us as the games theme this time is "Lies and Truth" oh boy silly Kodaka tee hee ~
Lets hope it will only get at most to Stage3.

I dont try to change your opinion i simply point out your tunnel vision and nonense you talk about social media platforms.

MonoReaper said:
@MightyM16

Quick question. I am curious after all this time writing your Name down. Why MightyM16? Is there a special meaning to it?

Its exactly the point.

There is no source that HPA could only give him the talents that they knew or saw. They experimentet on his brain to create the Ultimate Ultimate.
Talent itself. That was the whole reason for the Kamukura project. You can deny it as much as you want. But this is what Kamukura is.
Talent itself the possibility of all talents humans can have.

Its not impossible. You dont seem to understand what we are. We are stored information.
If the brain stops in case of the 77th class they jsut stopped.
The information stored in the brain is not damaged. If they brain was damaged than yes there would be a chance memorys are lost/information in the brain is lost.

But this was not the case of the 77th class. Thus bringing them back would be high likely. What Kamukura needed to do was to reactivate the small impulses that commands the body + functions of the brain.

It is not impossible you just cannot accept it that there is chance for them thus you deny it because your ego can`t handle it if you are not the omnipotent truth.
And again there is indication nor 100 % proof that the only gave him a limited amount of Talent. That is only your assupmtion basede on nothing.
It is no truth.

You really misunderstand the whole conecpt of the NWP and the deal about the OVA huh.

You seem to lack the idear of what a virtual self and your self in flesh and blood is.

And no it is not unrealistic in DR standarts. Its you who choose to ignore those things.
Kamukura used the NWP Tech to bring them all back is it so alien to you to understand the simplicity of it?

Nope you just refuse to accept what Kamukura is because you cannot counte my arguments anymore so you just choose to twist the whole thing what Kamukura is now. Welp you are really desperate.

Wow now you pull really assumptions as facts out of your butt. They were just optimistic because Naegi was so hopefull for them. Miracles to guys like them always happen. Thats the point Naegi made because Kamukura was there it was possible. Less a miracle and more a fact because it is Kamukura the Deus Ex Machina of this universe.

Not repeting just a simple answere to your argument that you seem to ignore because you cannot argue against it.

(Matsudas Tech was not everlasting. It could be undone with therapy or after some time it would just wear off and slowly you would remember what was sealed. As Naegi stated the FF helped them to speed up the process so they would remember everything)

Its just common sense. And no you go against your own argumentation. If Hajime was not fully there the NWP could not recrate something so vage as a whole person. Hajime was there jsut not active it was sealed its the same tech after all that was from Matsuda the memory ereasing tech.

What they did to Hajime was because they tought his old memorys would interfere in their experiment to they sealed it off nothing more nothing less. You cannot just erease a whole lifetime of somebody without creating some major clusterfucks in ones personality & the overall self of a person.

Now trying to justify your deed huh. No matter how much you try to cover it up the posts are still there and are proof of it. But nice try.

And its a realistic point. Because DR was always advanted with the tech in their universe.

The NWP itself and pictures that were showed to us give us a idear of how complex and advanted all this stuff is. You can see them sleeping in some sort of stasis capsules and all those tubes going into these capsules. There was some sort of live support going on or else they would just die because no water or nutrients for their bodies. If you remember their bodies were for a large amount of time in those capsules.

Okay i try to make it as easy as possible to you what exactly the VR selfes of the 77th class are and their sleeping selfes.
The sleeping 77th class is not the ones who are active in the NWP. They are sleeping in there. Their brain/memorys were scanned and digitalized to the virutal world of the NWP.
With this data the virutal selfes are created thus VR Hajime is here because of the memory of his original body . The NWP only reads and uses these memorys to run the simulation.
They were still sleeping. Everything that happend did not happen to the sleeping bodies. They were just sleeping.
After everything went down (forced shutdown) the data/memory of these VR selfes(different personalitys) was overwritten to the sleeping bodies. Thus giving them a fast forword flashback to what happend in the NWP. The ones who experienced dead would die than because their brain would belief this is what happend to them thus recreating the implulse = cease activity. But the NWP lifesupport was still online so their bodies were fine.

What the OVA will tell us is what the stored data that is still active in the NWP simulation is doing. Komaedas virtual self is still ongoing on some sort of bubble/his own space/perfect world. Because the NWP didnt delete this data nor did it stop working after their dead. After all the prime function is the patients with threi traumas and to create good memorys for them to overwritte the bad ones.

Thus Komaeda we see in the OVA will be the one in the simulation not the sleeping/dead one.

The moment they entered the NWP a new existence came to "life" in the virtual space.
Do you understant it now? Sleeping Hajime is not the Hajime in the VR world.
They exist in 2 different spaces/realitys. They are not the same until the NWP overwrittes the memorys of the sleeping person.

Welp i would say it is your desperate attempt to twist your way out again becaue you dont know better.

Thats why you miss the whole point about the DR2 cast. They didnt choose one side. They choose to move along both sides. Not choosing either but moving forword with both.

Nope they did not.

Here you do it again. You agrue with the point that DR3 happend the time DR1 came out. You argue with something that has little to do with the context to what happend and was shown to us in the Epilog of DR2.

They didn cling to hope. Their belief was they could help them and safe them.

Here again this itself is proof that Hajime is still there. There is no such thing as only 1 or 2% of someones personality is left in the brain. This is not how this works.

Point is Kamukura is possibilty itself thus he can to the impossible things that you consider not possible.

Where or what part of DR2?

Well yeah it was his experiment after Nanami made him cry. He wanted to see what would happen if the clash between Nanamis Hope and Junkos Despair would happen on equal grounds. Would it make him change again? This is the sole reason he said he would not participate in the upcoming events because he knew there was still his past self.

lol now you try to deny a important scene of the last trial in DR2. Sir pls stop punching yourself. Sir pls stop.

They merged the moment Nanami Glitch freed Hajime from the non stop loop and broke down the last wall between Hajime & Izuru.

Excuses huh now you try to ignore important story details because they work against your arguments.^^ Sir stop punching yourself pls.

Well only because a majority (small in that regards of DR Fanbase overall) beliefs somethign it doesnt mean it is the truth. A majority can be in the wrong even if they belief something is the omnipotent truth.

The final nail on the thing about Hajime & Izuru combining into a new person was his quote "I will live on as Hajime Hinata".

Because this itself indicates he saw himself as someone different/new but decided to live on as Hajime Hinata.
Otherwise he wouldnt use these certain words and would just say outright he is back to his old self Hajime Hinata or he is Hajime Hinata again. But he said he "chose" to live on as Hajime Hinata.

So desperate to cover it up now? It does feel bad if someone is telling you the truth. ;)

So you had expectations for me xD? Thats something....i guess? Welp still its the harsh truth for you sir. Just stop your low moves of twisting and outright lying or breaking sentences out of context and everything is fine.

Here you do it again trying to twist it and say thing i didnt. I gave you the answere that they were mentioned in DR2 and you try to ignore this with twisting things again so you dont need to face this argument.

Again he could yes. But there is no indication that they ever meet nor any proof for it.

It is never shown that Nanami knew the class of Chihiro not that she ever had contact with him.

You just make stuff up again where is not even
circumstantial evidence. Stop trying to argue with no base or source.
Timeframe was never a problem the problem is there was nothing that would indicate there meeting or anything else in regards to this.

It is because nothing of proof or indication is there. You can speculate and theorise about it but it will never fill the gaps of this hole. Nor will it ever be explained.

Are you for real? It is itself a contradiction. Nanami was never meant to be a real person. That itself is the contradiction with the sequel. Because real Chiaki was created because the sequel was made to make sense of the sequel they created a real Chiaki. Thus the rekkon about AI Chiaki just being a AI and not about a person who lived.
That you still dont understand this is really confuseing.

What even.......-_-
so you choose to ignore all these hints towards Chihior being her creator?
Than later changing it to Kamukura.

I really wish it would be still Chihiro but the Anime contradicts the game. Its not like wish it to be this way. But this is the rekkon of Kodaka.

Well i certainly dont know every detail exact on point in my memory. But i am not the one trying to twist things or outright lie about things of the story to my argumentation as you do.
Welp i guess at this point you dont even bother to cover it up.

Its a the perfect example for you because you are blind to the way you arguemnt about these things. Its not my opinion. It never was Kodakas statement about "the story of the DR2 cast ended in 2." never was my opinion. It is Kodakas statement and how he felt about it. Ofc you ignore this as i explained to you:
"You ignore the past and future and argumetn against my answere with the present information. You take the information we have now as omnipotent argumention and ignore everything that resulted in the conclusion of the past games. You take the narrative as it all came out on this exact day as DR3 came out and finished airing."
This is what you do the entire time and i tried to make it clear to you with my example. That you would outright take the statement of the person who killed those people yesterday as omnipotent proof because this is what he said and is the newest information/source you have. This is why your argumentation is fundamental flawed because you ignore past and future & argue as everything that happend or will happend was always here as omnipotent truth.
But you still dont understand it. This is why many of your ground views are so extreme in terms of argumentation.
If i for example say have cancer and tomorrow i say to you i dont have it. With your argumentation you would ignore the past sentence of yesterday and take my word from today as the inviolable truth. This is exactly how you argue against the statements of past interviews with Kodaka for the whole subject about the DR3 story. You take DR3 as the newest present and with this present everything that happend or will happen is a lie and therefor not real. And if there is now new present information you will see this as the omnipotent truth or universal truth.
This is why it is so boring to argue with you. You only focus on 1 thing and ignore everything else instead of gathering every information to get the bigger picuture and reasons how everything happend as it happend in DR3.

Well you belief or wish to believe it proved me wrong. But as i said it was never about right or wrong. It was about pointing out the misinformation of your view and tunnel vision.

You refuse to use every information available to you and only pick 1 source and base everything around this 1 source. Without realizing how you outright refuse statements from the creator or call it lies/opinions or a changed view. As if this changes the past idears and feelings about the past games as for example DR2.

Circumstantial evidence doesnt implie enough to make it proof. Its like saying all white people are evil because it is implied they are. Even if there is no proof for it you just call it out because of something so vague as circumstantial evidence.
You compare a full detailed novel with so much information and story with a few secounds of implying and circumstantial evidence. This is outright insane. To even justify this comparision of these 2 things.

Wow this is everything you got? Your trying to flee from answereing it properly and just say: "You're just looking for excuses now."
Wow so you really dont know anything else to say or counter it.
Huh i expected really more.

Welp seems like it really upsets you that these examples hit the red point.

Circumstantial evidence and with thse evidence the resulting implies are not enough proof to make it a solid 100 % thing that is undenyable. Sry mate this is not how this works. It was never a thing of timefram. They timeskip allows it. This is not what i agrue about. I argue against it because there is no proof. Something so important is not shown to us. They could just give us 2 or 1 secounds of a picture with all of them in one room with Junko. But the didnt. Thus we can only assum they may or may not happend to meet each other.
This is not proof partner.
Yes how else would it work. If you writte story and the only thing you do is implying and never showing anything about what it happening you have no story at all. It begins with the name of the main characters & the events in these storys. If you only imply and talk about events with circumstantial evidence you have no story at all.

That they were UD doesnt prove anything and Kamukura was not a UD he never did anything to harm anyone out of despair love as Junko did.

Yeah this would be the most logical conclusion to it. But with only circumstantial evidence we can only speculate and assume this may or may not happend thus we have no proof of it.

Yeah but the point is we never saw how they meet each other nor was it important if they did meet each other or not because in the end they did listen to him and turned themselves in for the NWP plan of Kamukura. Or else how do you explain that the put no resistance up against it as Naegi just collected them.

My point stays Mukuro was never such a siscon and machoist.
I dont deny her bad parts after all she is a murderer but she was no siscon or machoist.

I am not sure what the term white washing means. I understand the context of cleaning clothes but what does it mean in terms of your answere? Clearly this phrase has a double meaning it instead of the literally sense of cleaning.

Well there were 2 seats of the class left. Mitarai was the unknown student and our Ultimate Spy was always there but never seen by the others and in the end he "vanished" to put it like that without giving any context to it.

Nanami for example was added to the class as we already got the full number of studends of the 77th class thus we know that Nanami was never meant to be real in the first place.

Yes brainwashing was a thing in DR but never to this extenxt that Junko only gained her followers and only with this and nothing else.

Its just boring and lame in the end what Kodaka did with the Despair Video as he always implied something else instead of the universal Despair Video & Despair Book.

I wouldnt call memory wipe`s as brainwashing. After all it doesnt force you to do something that you wouldnt normaly do. Its just a loss of memorys/information.

Matsuda loved Junko this doesnt count.

Monaca followed Junko because she sought love, attention & praise and acknowledgment that she never got from her father or brother. As she grew up in a "messed up" family who didnt really want her or treated her as a family member. This is the result of Monacas personality and her reason to follow Junko who did get all these things like it was nothing.
With refering to the despair kids you mean the rest of the P.E kids or the kids of Towa City with the mindcontrol helmets? The kids were clearly messed up to begin with and as you said they were easy to manipulate. After all the had no reason to live anymore and Junko gave them reason and the means to live and change their world.

So if someone on the street you walk by is on the ground bleeding you just ignore him and say its his problem not mine and let him on the ground alone? With this mindset sir you spoke more than thousand words.

Yes and what exactly has this to do with the answere? I agreed to you that DRZero is ofc important to the overall story as is explains a lot and gives us also new questions around the DR universe as stated in my response to you.
"sigh"

Well you certainly belief you could fool anyone with your twisting and lie`s. But no Sir you cannot fool anyone with its. Dig your hole deeper until you see no more light.

Exactly and this is why the brainwashing is bullshit. Rules at point are omnipotent and one moment later the rules of it are nonexistent for certain characters.

After seeings this "Hope" video they did for whatever reason this may be. Maybe they saw him as the Ultimative Hope^^.

Maybe Naegi after all isnt Hope^^.
Who knows after all with this brainwashing everything can happen. Who cares about anything.

Its not a misconeption the possibility of humanity is unlimited. The potential of growth is there and how Kamukura is called Hope of humanity. He is exactly this the possibility of humanitys growth itself as has every talent humans can have.

I member (get the joke :D=?) you member?
So what exactly has this to do with my response to you? There was no question in it.

Exactly and that itself is a prime order of the videos thus the video gave them prime directives with the brainwash.

No this is not the point. The point is if the videos prime directive is love despair. Why did they see Junko as the worst of worst despair?

How could the certainly knew that Junko is the highest level of despair on the planet and follower her and every biding with it if the video made them love despair. There would be no reason to worship her if the prime directive is loveing despair. Or else how would they knew from this vague directive alone she is the worst of the worst despair in the entire world. This is what i try to tell you.
This is not how brainwashing works. Either it is to make you obey someone or it comes with a prime directive.

Thus it makes no sense that the video could make them worship her like a goddness, love despair thus spreading it & after Junkos dead salvaging her body all at once no sense. Because this is not how brainwashing works with the video alone.

Well you stated she is pure despair thus they followed her for that reason because they knew she was this and this alone.

I know it is DR after all over the top. But it is still no explanation on how the could salvage a body that in the last scene of the execution (finals picture) got crushed and blood was everywhere.

For what show us all these really amazing scenes to only tell us later she died dkh but the body was still fine. It doesnt make much sense. Thus the rekkon.

Yup you can. My point is why would the AI just copy himself once and not several times in several Monokumas after all it would make the most sense to spread Despaif if several Junkos AIs roam in the world and cause despair.

Wouldnt you agree that this is more logical than just spliting into Shiro & Kurokuma.

If you compare her attempt of Junkoland to copy her virtual self in several living bodiesy to create a society of Junkos. It would be more logical for the AI to copy it itself to several different moduls and bodies like the Monokumas. This is what bothers me the most about this whole AI thing.

Kanon stated she would face of against the FF at some point but thanks to Hagakure she didnt hate them all and changed her view from FF is evil to FF is evil but there a still good guys working there.

Also if you noticed in the OP. Hagakure was coverd in roses and it thorns this itself was a easter egg or hint towards Kanon because the rose is something related to her in the Novel. Thats why a few fans tought Kanon would be the mastermind of the killing game because she had a motive to do it and it would also make sense that Hagakure had no toxic braclet. Because she saw him as the good guy. It is a loose end becasue this plot about her and the fellow captives will never be finished. Even after the open ending with the indications about her doing something in the future against the FF.

Welp i still belief this that this Monokuma from EP1 was the AI from DR1.

Your arguemtns also dont dont really proof anything or more exactly you dont make any points for the difference between EP1 Monokuma and every Monokuma after this EP.

It makes the most sense and in terms how this Monokuma never showed up the clear difference between all the Monokuma screentime after EP1.

Munaktata stated he build this place himself so Tengang knowing everything about this place + the underground facility that indicates something happend down there.

If you remember all the bullets in the walls and the destruction. Hinting something happend down there or some sort of fight was going on before the FF cast + Naegi & Co being trapped down there. It is still unbelievable that Tengan could just go in there and without Munakata noticeing it and all the Monokuma Tech down there.
That really nobody saw anything is the problem.

Junko used many thing as Towas robots/Monokumas the internets/started revolts and demonstrations against groups for example rich vs. poor/middleclass etc.
With bioweapons she caused millions of people to vanish in one moments + all the ressources she had with the 77th class. The biggest Yakuza organisation at hand or a whole country manipulated to wage war for the "greate cause" with Sonia. Well idk if this really counts but Gundam had a army of animals xD so there is that. Hopefully you understand the point. Junko had the means to pull it off.

So instead of trying to talk things out the just outright is trying to kill him ang he ignores everything Munakata has done for peace and how many people he saved.

He ignores all that. I understand that he would try to kill Mr Edgy and Ms trust issues but the rest? It is just insane to kill every head of the FF because a few of them have different ideals in these hard times as the world is despair.

It is outright insane to kill everyone because he tought they would not solve this with a extreme view of hope only Munakata had and Mitarai in the end did the same with the Hope Video if this is what Tengan wanted then there is not difference between Munakatas extreme view and Mitarais Hope Video..

This itself contradicts the whole reason of Tengang that itself alone is fucked up enough as reason to kill people and fellow FF member who tried to restore peace and order.

Yes about Monaca being the main antagonist would be "boring" in terms of suprise. But my point is they just didnt try to finish her plot at all. All the things she did. All the people and children she killed she just is getting aways with it after fleeing to space. Even if her reason to abadon all this Hope vs. Depair conflict is solid. The crimes she done are not undone. Thus just letting her go and end the plot with this instead of giving her a fiting end in a fight or battle against Naegi or Komaru instead of just running away is the lowest way of ending a story line like her. As she was one of the best written and biggest villians besides Junko in the franchise.

Hagakure had no bracelet so this doesnt make much sense as the counter would only count the participants in the game. Hakagure was outside not even in the game.

The only thing Killer Killer has done is showing us Kira Kira and who he is. Everything else were just cameos from the FFs as in the latest chapter the fake Mukuros attacked one of the FFs buildings and some of the FF leaders showed up to fight them.
There was nothing that would lead to the DR3 Anime nor does it connect anything to it. It only did more world building for the outside world of DR and give us a picture of the everyday and what the "normal" is in this despair filled world.
Killer Killer and Kira Kira as of now didnt play any big role for the DR3 Anime.

Being evil because she likes being a despair crazy person is a solid motivation for a villian.

Tengan instead going outright crazy and against every moral & ethical values is just random level of insanity. Tengan as a character was really good and likable but his build up as a villian and his motivation is just poorly written and executed. And it still is a shame how he is now just the trololol crazy despair Grandpa meme in the community. Becasue he deserverd more than that.

This is the whole reason DR3 in the end narrative wise is so weak and poor executed they had no real villian conclusion in the end didnt live up to the expectetions of the "final fight between Hope & Despair"

Your yourself said several posts ago Tengang did what he did because he also tought Naegi was a RoD as he saved the RoD and the FF has no idear where they are. And this also a reason was for him to set his plan in motion.

Guess it sucks if you contradict yourself and than you writte " You didnt watch the anime" XD Sucks that it backfires to you now Sir. Soooo did you didnt watch the anime huh ;D.

The only one who fought were our Ms strawberry and Saint braces. Nobody fought or had any ill intentions towards each other besides those 2.
Everything else was the result of Naegis action to save the RoDs.

Ah okay so now you tell me killing people is for "Hope" thus justifying killing live.

Do you know how fucked up this is? Nothing justifys killing. Nothing! Tengans reason to kill everyone is nuts and nothing changes that. The its for Junko her reason to hurt and kill people is Despair and killing for Hope is in the end the same. The reason to justify it is bullshit.

Again you twist things. Never did i mention anything about plot revels nor that Naegi would be in the game. I told you about the leaks because i tought you would also be curious about V3 stuff. But no you see this here again to feed your ego and try to twist again and insult people. "facepalm" you really are truly human and with it truly boring.

Guess you cannot expect much.

You seem to miss with the stages example that we are now at Stage2 of this scenario. But you suprise me with your lies and twisting well you are after all a boring person.

I am really curious about the moment of truth when it comes how it always turns out to be another pandering and shenanigan of Kodaka and V3 is connected to the old games. I am really curious how much you will rage about it and how you will try to justify it again with your fundamental flawed argumentations.

MonoReaper said:
@MightyM16

Aww is someone shy~

The whole experiment to give him the Talents makes no sense. It itself is a ridiculous event as many things in DR.

What they wanted is the perfect human with all the "Ultimates" reasearching this. It would be unlogical that they could manipulate the brain and restrict his "talent" only to those they knew about. The most logical outcome is that they created with the experiment a method to artifical trigger the growth of the human brain and the unused potential with it. Thus you cannot restrain a brain to only specific talents once they would change him to get all the talents there would be nothing that can stop his growth with it.

Nope because the NWP doesnt need them to be alive once they NWP had their data/memorys digitalised they would just sleep in the capsule waiting for the NWP to finish the simulation and overwritte their brains.

Because you asked how they would make it happen(Izuru/Hajime). Thus i gave you a theroetical answere on the limited information about this subject. If it happend this exact same way or not we will never know.

But for any logical attempt to explain it it would be in some form related to this.

Your assupmtions that they restricted him only to specific talents is i quote you "headcanon".
& Dont be so sure the OVA will reveal everything.

Well you really misunderstand it. Also you should read up the concept of virtual reality and consciousness in a virtual space. It would help to improve the lack of understanding to it.

Again you dont understand how virtual reality works and how the NWP works that`s why you completly misunderstand the whole thing about the OVA.

We dont know? You mean you lack the logical conclusion on how he could do it. The only possibility how he could do it is due the NWP tech on the island. If you cannot understand it than there is no helping you until you see the OVA and have it seen with your own eyes.

Welp trying to twist and lie again. Good old MightyM16 manner. "sigh"

Oh boy now you try to argue about the difference between moonlight and sunlight even if it is the same source. You phrase it different but you basiclly say what i say.

As we saw with Hajime, Ryoko and Naegi and Co. The mind ereasing tech is not everlasting.

Äh?!? It was mentioned how Matsuda was forced by the HPA council to use his mind erasing tech on the Kamukura project you even see him for a moment in the room with the scientists check the Anime if you dont believe it.

We saw how it interfered none at all. They didnt implant a personality in him. His personality is the result of no memory that made him the person he was (Hajime Hinata) + the talents that made him see and experience the world around him very different than a normal person.

Welp again trying to be ignroant. Guess this never gets old for you.

You seem to ignore everything related to the tech + pictures or any of the sci-fi tech in DanganRonpa. Welp ignorance is truly a blessing for you. Even if you fake it you still do it. Boring.

Idk about that statement of Junko but it is logical after all you see the tubes and wires going into the capsules.

A human body can only make it without any water at most 3 days. Food is a different matter but the imprortant thing is matter. Thus they would all be dead in a short amount of time. If there was none lifesupport whatsoever than they would just die after 3 days in there. Well if you still try to argue against it ooooookkkkkaaaaaayyyyyy. o.O

"Okay i try to make it as easy as possible to you what exactly the VR selfes of the 77th class are and their sleeping selfes.
The sleeping 77th class is not the ones who are active in the NWP. They are sleeping in there. Their brain/memorys were scanned and digitalized to the virutal world of the NWP.
With this data the virutal selfes are created thus VR Hajime is here because of the memory of his original body . The NWP only reads and uses these memorys to run the simulation.
They were still sleeping. Everything that happend did not happen to the sleeping bodies. They were just sleeping.
After everything went down (forced shutdown) the data/memory of these VR selfes(different personalitys) was overwritten to the sleeping bodies. Thus giving them a fast forword flashback to what happend in the NWP. The ones who experienced dead would die than because their brain would belief this is what happend to them thus recreating the implulse = cease activity. But the NWP lifesupport was still online so their bodies were fine."

You cannot counter this in any way

& you did not counter it you were asking me several times what i mean and didnt seem to understand what i am explaining to you.

This is the way how virtual reality works in regarding to the NWP.

The NWP is not a VR you just go in and out anytime you want. The virtual self is not the person that is sleeping in the capsules. Any other way doesnt work because this is now how a VR can work the way it was explained in DR2 and what they were trying to do with overwritting their memorys.

It seem you lack the understanding of VR. You should read it up plus what happens with the mind if it is transfered into a VR space and seperated from the mind and digitalized into data. Because you lack the understanding of it. This is not meant evil or in any regards negative. its just a fundamental thing you misunderstand about virtual reality.

This is the only possible way this can happen. As it stated it is Komaedas perfect world/virtual reality. You dont need to be some genius or sherlock homes to figure this out Sir.

I am not contradicting myself you just want to believe some nonsene again about things you relate to Junko who are not related to Junko.

Again the data stored and saved in the NWP about the 77th class is not bound to the brains of the sleeping 77th class once it is scanned and saved & uploded into the simulation the physical body has no more usefullness or importance other than sleeping and staying alive for the end of the simulation so the new memorys/data can be transfered and overwritte the past of the 77th class.

Yes in methaphorical terms he is alive as a virtual existence but the brain is dead.

Again you lack the understanding of the subject. The body is only needed for the result of the simulation otherwise there is no importance to it once the memorys are digitalized for the simulation.

Its the same reason a AI can copy itself and exists as differents beings. Because it only copy & paste itself to something new.

Same for clones. A clones is nothing more than a physical copy of yourself. It may have the same memorys at you but once your clones makes new/different memorys than you it is a different person as it is seperated from you and has his own body. Same for the NWP the virtual space is the new reality and with is the data is the new "body".

"sigh" You know you only use the "No you did it" warfare method once you are out of options. Seems like you are going full liar and twist mode and have abandoned all secrecy & subtile moves. I mean you have so many possibilites to argue to use so many words. To use language to your full exent. You are born with it and you grown up with it. But you reduce yourself to only this? All the potential you have you waste it for lying and twisting. For insulting me with quote "retard/idiot".
"sigh"

I mean after all this time you have nothing more and thats all you got? Thats all the wisdom and options you can bring up at this point once your out of idears?
It is boring how you waste your potential and less and less entertaining for me.

Give me something new. Show me the spark of your individuality show me the potential you have. Instead you chose lie, twist & insult. Sad man sad.

Here again you try to make it sound like you say something different but you do not. We say the same thing only you use a different way of representing it. Dude come on some me something genuine and not this try of: "my ego needs to be satisfied thus use all means to make it sound like i say something different even if it is the same thing"
It is so obvious.

Yeah DR3 is important to the series this was never the point of the discussion but here again you chose to lie and twist in order to be the person who "wins" in the end even if you reach the level of "bullshit" and outright lies.

Well its funny how you contridict yourself about this whole Hajime is not there anymore to the level of Hajime is in his(quote): "I'm not saying Hajime wasn't there, just that he was in Kamukura's subconscious, as if asleep"
I mean you basiclly use my answere to you 2 post ago if you roll up.
Welp now your trying to take my answeres and argue with it against me even if you outright copy my answere to certain subjects xD? Halleluja this is a new level of hilarious.

You just dont understand the idear of Izuru and his Überhuman abilities & potential.

Quote:"It played with Nagito and AI Junko in DR2,"
This is what i refer to with my question what part of DR2. As you stated the Izuru theme //Let us sing a song of a hollow victory// is played in a certain scene you mentioned with the quoted post.

Yeah and why did he want to see it? Because he Nanami made him cry. This is something out of his expectation as he himself didnt understand why Nanami would go to this length for here friends and why she did struggle so much even if her own dead was near. Thus the reason for his curiosity as what would happen or change him again if the would witness a scenario like this again with Nanami & Junko.

The scene is one of the most important scenes ingame

cause 1. Izuru is shown to us one of the big and most important characters in DR and for some time he was one of the biggest villians before DR3 Despair Arc.
2. The scene made it clear that that the RoD are the main cast of DR2
3. It shows us that Izuru was the mastermind and planned everything beforehand & without DR3 we only could assume that he did it because he was loyal to Junko/Despair=villian

First of stop punching yourself Sir pls stop! Secound nothing is wrong with shippung.

Third HOW DARE YOU! The only true shipping pair is HajimeXNanami!
Screw everyone else and the noncanon bonus mode of DR2 after the first walktrough.
Also everyone knows that Komaeda is Hopesexual. RUN NAEGI RUUUUNNNN!!!!

Welp you can feel free to agree that you disagree but it still happend.
The wall between their memorys broke down

and Super Saiyan Hajime was born.
Ka me ha me ha me ha me OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Welp i would be honored if you belief i am the omnipotent truth.

But the ultimative truth is i am have not every answere that you may or may not seek. Sorry Sir but i am no allmighty god even if you want it to be the case.

Thats what i am talking about as i quoted Hajime Epilog sentence. But you seem you try to twist things again even if you know its true that he said it.

Well yeah? Ther difference is that in the NWP Hajime was the one in controle and getting all the memorys of Izuru+talents. In the reality Izuru wakes ups with all the memorys of his past as Hajime Hinata. Thus his decision he will chose to life on as his original self and use his abilites to help the 77th class as Nanami wanted to safe them.

Welp you are free to believe me or not it doesnt change the fact that you try hard to argure against me in order to push your own ego for your own desire.

I am honored you see me on the level of Kodaka and a wise person with the truth iteself in hands.

Sorry to disapoint you that my picture from your mind is nothing more than a fantasy. Ofc i am honored but it would be no good to leave this fantasy in your mind as reality. Sorry to disapoint you Sir.

And no you didnt prove me wrong as you try to lie or ignore things in the DRZero Novel.

All the source material backs up what i said you can try to lie about it how much you want you cannot change the content in the Novel & Games.

I dont believe it it is a sad reality that you yourself know and i know it because i write with your for a long time now. Its just boring that you dig your hohle deeper and deeper until you see no more light and lose yourself to the primitive aspects of your human self.

Now matter how hard you try to argue about the point of something that may or may not happend offscreen with Kamukura and the 77th class.
You will never know only with circutencial evidence if the did meet or not.

Welp i am sure you will try hard and i wish it was true. But it is not.
That you try to comprate this as a fact on the same level as the DRZero Novel shows me how desperate you are or lost in writeing that you dont even see anymore what it canon and what is simply not shown to us in the Anime.

Again the DR2 hinted several times that Chihiro created her.

This was before DR3 happend and before the real Nanami came into existence. I again quote myself: "You ignore the past and future and argumetn against my answere with the present information. You take the information we have now as omnipotent argumention and ignore everything that resulted in the conclusion of the past games. You take the narrative as it all came out on this exact day as DR3 came out and finished airing."
This is what you do the entire time and i tried to make it clear to you with my example. That you would outright take the statement of the person who killed those people yesterday as omnipotent proof because this is what he said and is the newest information/source you have. This is why your argumentation is fundamental flawed because you ignore past and future & argue as everything that happend or will happend was always here as omnipotent truth.
But you still dont understand it. This is why many of your ground views are so extreme in terms of argumentation.
If i for example say have cancer and tomorrow i say to you i dont have it. With your argumentation you would ignore the past sentence of yesterday and take my word from today as the inviolable truth. This is exactly how you argue against the statements of past interviews with Kodaka for the whole subject about the DR3 story. You take DR3 as the newest present and with this present everything that happend or will happen is a lie and therefor not real. And if there is now new present information you will see this as the omnipotent truth or universal truth.
This is why it is so boring to argue with you. You only focus on 1 thing and ignore everything else instead of gathering every information to get the bigger picuture and reasons how everything happend as it happend in DR3."
You ignore the fact of the time period the game was made and how it was intentend to play out and compare it to the following sequel who states and hints different things and implements new characters into the storyline that didnt exist before.

But you should show imporant story details if they are important for the overall events and reasons later on.

As the RoD have no reason to follow Kamukura to the Jabberwock island and just turn themselves in without resistance to Naegi.

Its as if you say they didnt need to show us that the outcome of Mitarai uploading the "Hope Video" and than skip to the ending scene with Naegi and Kirigiri open the new shool in the middle of nowhere without context to what happend and how Mitarai was stopped or if he was stopped at all.

If AI Chiaki said there is no real Chiaki than this would be a paradoxon itself than without a Chiaki existing there could be no AI Chiaki created by the 77th class memorys. Sir you seem somewhat confused.

Yeah but this was rekkoned as shown in the the same Anime.

But Chirhiro never implemented the chamelion AI.

The NWP was created by the FF.

The only one who would be able combine all those things is Kamukura who was setting up his experiment in order to make the whole DR2 scenario possible.

As none of the original creators are alive expect the FF head. Who has no programming skills.

Hopes Arc doesnt prove me wrong.

The DR3 Despair Anime proves you wrong.

None of the events in Hope Arc are speaking against what i said to AI Nanami it even proves it further that Izuru was the creator as Hajime speak with her "AI" due his talents as he was the only one who had the skill to create her.

Okay thats all you got? Everything that you could have said or written down against my response to you about your fundamental flawed view. And.....thats it?
Wow this really made you spechless or you really have no clue what to say against it. I will quote it again because this is a big part because discussion with you boring.

//""You ignore the past and future and argumetn against my answere with the present information. You take the information we have now as omnipotent argumention and ignore everything that resulted in the conclusion of the past games. You take the narrative as it all came out on this exact day as DR3 came out and finished airing."
This is what you do the entire time and i tried to make it clear to you with my example. That you would outright take the statement of the person who killed those people yesterday as omnipotent proof because this is what he said and is the newest information/source you have. This is why your argumentation is fundamental flawed because you ignore past and future & argue as everything that happend or will happend was always here as omnipotent truth.
But you still dont understand it. This is why many of your ground views are so extreme in terms of argumentation.
If i for example say have cancer and tomorrow i say to you i dont have it. With your argumentation you would ignore the past sentence of yesterday and take my word from today as the inviolable truth. This is exactly how you argue against the statements of past interviews with Kodaka for the whole subject about the DR3 story. You take DR3 as the newest present and with this present everything that happend or will happen is a lie and therefor not real. And if there is now new present information you will see this as the omnipotent truth or universal truth.
This is why it is so boring to argue with you. You only focus on 1 thing and ignore everything else instead of gathering every information to get the bigger picuture and reasons how everything happend as it happend in DR3."//

The exuses are solid answere`s to you. You try to ignore or twist them cause you have no means to counter them otherwise because they are simply backed up by the scource of this whole discussion. The DR games and the DR3 Anime.
But yeah go on being ignorant and twist and lie thats what it seems is all you got and waste your potential with it.

Well you are upset you can read your aggression out of everything. I mean almost every post has some insult in it clearly some of your buttons i pushed were triggered and thus you cannot restrain your emotions. Thats also a reason you are boring writting partner. You cannot do without it because you have no other means.

Well he just watched thats all Izuru did. Izuru was never a RoD it was just Junko who made him look evil and also despair drunken as she lied to us about the student concil killing game. It was simply a lie that he was a RoD because of the footage from the first killing game and the HPA tragedy.

Yeah good lore is can have some room for interpretion and imagination. Dark Souls is the best example for it. But crucial story details for DR standarts should not happen offscreen with no means of confirmation in a story final of the series where we only can guess okay that must happend offscreen otherwise it would be a plothohle.

Well you wish i was but DRZero proves that the Murkur in the Novel was not like the thing we got in the Anime.

Thanks for the information about the white washing thing. I didnt know the meaning of it i appreciate your answere and information of it.
But no she is clearly a villian and she is on purpose a tool to Junko because she thinks there is no other way for her even if she has the choice to go against her.
But she was not that hardcore of a siscon and machoist.

Oh yeah my fault they were part of the other class section with 4 more unknown students.
Huh...this is weird. For example 1 place is still empty but the classroom is only full because of Nanami if Nanami werents there it would be exact 16 students because the real Mitarai is not here thus the classroom is full and they are 16 thats why this really confuseing with Nanami they are 17-18 if you count the unofficial classmate Izuru who is only by papers in the class.
Welp another plothohle.

About the class number every class of Ultimates has a set amount of 16 students in each classroom.

That is explained in the Zero Novel and it is also stated in DR1 as Naegi is searching for the last hints towards the final trial.

Mukuro doesnt count because of their unknown history between Junko & Mukuro vs. their parents what ever happend between them or to them.

As it is implied Junko did create some sort of fallout or accident.

I refered to the statement of you saying you dont care about this.

My point is still made against the brainwashing and the bullshit and nonsense with it. None of the thing said in the mentioned episode of your explains in any more how Mitarai or Junko could create several orders and prime directives with one video.

Still all of the events in the end happend. All their deaths played out as in the over the top animations. The only thing that we can assume really happend is the crushing everything thing else was just the gran de finale for beating the mastermind behind everything.
If we dont know how Junko died than how can we ever say she died if she didnt get crushed? How can know the cause of her dead if nothing not even the last animation in the execution scene is real. Please tell no sarcasm how Junko died if not by being crushed? How did she die if none of this was how it happend?

But why wouldnt the AI be able to just copy and past their data itself to anothe medium with enough memory/GB/TB or higher. If they itself are nothing more than data and copying data itself is easy or downloading it iself to the internet that still should exist.

The AI thing was always a dangerous thing storywise to explain
Thus this is more bothersome if you know that the AI awoke the moment Junko died as she planned but didnt copy itself to several moduls or the internet to spread more and more despair.

And yeah you made it clear that you belief Shiro & Kurokuma were connected AIs and i said i belief that Junko just fooled around at the end because she was bored of the game as she played nonstop the role of Kuro & Shiros characters & as we know she is really fast bored of one and the same personality.

In the novel they didnt let it end the way as if it was just unimportant. As Kanon had plan with the other captives.

It was just a theory for example how the could include her instead of leaving those characters and all the captives ignored. Same thing for Naegis partend that are dead this was also never resovled as they never did show us if they died or not.

Thats what i mean we dont know if this whole idear of Kodaka was just left unexplained as he saw no need to speak about it again or explain it again. I belief it is still a loose end that has so much importance that he could at least talk about it or explain it to us that this one AI from back than was also used for the NWP or was later the result of Shiro & Kurokuma.
Still we will have no answere to what happend to this AI. Thus the most logical explanation is that the Monokum from EP1 of DR3 is the AI back from HP as they showed us only in this episode this Monokuma who directly mentioned FF who didnt exist in the time of Junko creating the despair video for the game + him directly talking to Naegi about their ultimative battle.

Still it is ridiciouls that the FF leader could arrange everything without anyone notice that he is doing all this weird stuff.

The only way i can think of is that Chisa did help him with the setup of the game as she knew this would cause the greatest despair of Munakta as Munakta loves her also but doesnt show it.

As i understood it as Munakata explained and was asked if this island was safe. That this base was build in secret without anyone knowing and even Tengan said they should trust Munakata with this.

Again for me it is not understandable how Tengan could pull of such insane bullshit and justifys killing with his methods but at the same time refuses to talk to Munakata and thinks his only option is to kill anyone and mindcontrole humanity? This no difference to Munatakas war will solve everything (it will not it causes only greater despair) view. Both are extreme. Thus i cannot understand how such a sane person could just laugh at the end in the video and say he did it cause it was fun and thats why he had to do it. This is just terrible writting for a characters we never saw and was the main villian behind the final stotry Arc of HPA and in the end no villian at all. And will forever be rememberd as this stupid meme of trololol hohohoho crazy despair grandpa. Tengan with all his buld up didnt deserve this as well as the rest of the FF leaders deserverd more development and not just ending up dead meat for the original cast.
The didnt have the balls to give the ending of this tory real consequenzes and the moment Asahina didnt die it was clear they will not kill Naegi and his friends.
They onld killed almost everyone off from the new introduced characters and thats it. Characters who many didnt care about as much as the old characters.

You know that this consequence for her crime will never happen because HPA story is over (for now) and the plot is finished with Monaca. Just letting her story line end with not consequence even if she is one of the worst psychopaths and criminals in the DR universe is either just sloth or simply a loose end.

Yeah but the thing is that he had no braclet and even in the opening there was none. Why count a guy outside of the killing who is not even part of the killing game.

Huh okay i am curious lets hope it will deliver what was promised.

How was this foreshadowed in UDGs? The end of the HPA story should be Despair vs Hope to end this fight once and for all. Not substitude who isnt even a real one and isnt even about Hope or Despair he is just running away from his past.
That has nothing do to with a final fight or a conclusion of the entire story so far

Than look back around page 4-5 and you will find it. Because this was one of the reasons you stated as you argued for Tengan and his motivations.

Also i am still curious about your face when in 8-7 day from now on the first spoilers confirm that its is connected and Kodaka lied to us again^^.

MonoReaper said:


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MightyM16 said:


lmao

I legit forgot to reply to this. Anyway, I already know that replying to each one of your points is kind of dumb. You claim that I have no proof when I was the only one providing it, quite funny.

Not only you were proven wrong by 2.5 OVA but your points regarding V3 were wrong as well btw, stay salty.

MonoReaper said:


I dont remember much of it anymore.
The 2,5 OVA was kinda stupid. They did again a whole episode about Nagitos shenanigans instead of picking a different character or explain more about the fact how awkward it must been for the chars who woke up & then faced each other (the persons who killed them or the persons they killed in the NWP) kinda wasted potential. I mean yeah Nagito is a fan favorite but i just wanted something different not Nagito again who got like 3 exlclusiv epsiodes for him.
In the end the OVA didnt explain anything not about the NWP nor how exactly the DR2 cast talked it out about what happend what they did and how they mangaged to "beat" the fleet from the FF
Also the rekon the original Artwork of the NWP capsules. If you remember the green tanks with wires and everything didnt exist anymore and Nagiot was sleeping in a whole different place with literllay no connection to anything not even anything sci-fi related (Matrix like) that would connect his brain to the NWP it was really weird.

Also Lets not talk about V3 as for now it is only out in Japan so i doubt you know anything about it other than what we saw from E3 last week.
And from what i head it is related to the DR timeline and no acutal reboot as Kodaka said. Thats from JAP online colleges who told me that but nothing more.

Also the Gaiden Manga confirmed Tengan watched the Despair Video and got Despair bonker because of it so much for crazy Granddad.

MightyM16 said:


I know all about V3, dude. I ended up spoiling myself.

And the OVA proved me right. Showed the people inside the NWP were actually alive enough to have some sort of brain activity.

No, the Gaiden manga didn't confirm anything about Tengan. Those eyes are only meant to represent despair in general

MonoReaper said:


whatever you say but for the sake of everyone else in the thread lets talk about V3 either when it came out at september or due different means PM etc because i dont want to spoiler anyone here.

Yep the OVA basiclly proved you right to some extent still it made everythign really messy. But we have a whole different problem now. How could anyone in those capsules surive? They had while sleeping no water/food etc whatsoever. They were not connected to anything so how could they be in NWP if nothing connected them to any sort of tech. The only thing we saw from Nagito as he woke up he was laying in a tranparent capsule were nothing was there besides him.
The OVA didnt make much sense or explained anything other than telling us how Nagito dreamed in his reality bubble + how everyone was ready to depart as Nagito woke up. The OVA in the end didnt sum up to much else than Nagito fanservice again. My hope that it would explain anything was for nothing and it didnt even seem like anything related to the NWP was explained nor will it ever be. Guess Kodaka in the end was going the full miracle/magic route. Sad end for such a great story.

The crazy eyes are only used in specific moments/or on specific persons. Junko was the first one to have the crazy eyes because she was despairdrunk.
We got than Chisa & everyone else who got despairbrainwashed who had than the same crazy eyes as Junko because of the despair brainwashing. In the manga Tengan holds a monoluge to himself + "laughed" & than was shown with the same crazy despair eyes as everyone else who was brainwashed in some form.
So yeah you can deny it but the panels plus the overaching end panel of Tengan showed everything what was needed to understand Tengan in the anime + his flashback in the anime to the USB sticks with the 2 videos.
Tengan meet the same fate as Chisa & everyone else who watched the video.

MonoReaper said:
@MightyM16

But Nagiots crazy eyes were always "special" looked different from everyone else this swirly dark crazyness. Tengan had the same crazy eyes as all the despair/brainwashed people had so far. There are tough different special eyes/mimics trough the whole series to show special emotions for scenes. But Nagitos was always a different kind of crazy.
Jungo in the afterlife theater said it herself. A brainwahsed humanity that only has this extreme form of hope is also pretty much a despair end itself.
That would make sense if this is tengans goal when he watched the wrong USB stick.