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| Well rewatched it for the 4th time, but in a proper way this time. Alone on a big screen with a surround sound audio and a good drink. HF2 still hit me with feels rollercoaster as hard as the first time in cinema. I can't describe every feeling while watching "Lost Butterfly", I can't even precise my favorite moment from the movie because the whole thing is so glorious, astonishing and overall breathtaking! Ufotable are truly the masters in their field, a class by itself also their cooperation with Type-Moon is just a godsent! Now what is left are those few months to wait for the last part :( |
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Armados said: ssjokg said: He tried to kill Berserker with Ea? Nope. He tried Gate of Babylon again.What happened then? It failed. What did Gil do after that? Used Gate of Babylon again. What did he do when Berserker acquired a fighter jet? Decided to play with him.With what? Gate of Babylon and his own alien spaceship. What happened? Berserker destroyed him with a fart from his F-15. What did Gil try to do when Sakura injured him? Kill her with Gate of Babylon. Congratulations!!You fail.Rejoice that's one thing you and Gil have in common. PS.Gil didnt give a shit about the leg but the fact that he almost bowed. And he wasnt mad at Berserker for deflecting the sword but because he stole it. Congratulations again. He knew Sakura is the gate to the holy grail, and I assume he saw what happened to other servants considering Lancer got eaten by her. In theory, he should've just nuked her, but its Gilgamesh, and his only weakness is the fact he is arrogant enough to kill himself off in every single scenario due to stupidity. People who complain about Gilgamesh getting killed off should understand he was written badly to begin with as Nasu had no intention of actually dealing with an overpowered character, so he kills him off whenever he feels like it. Except that the Shadow and Sakura while the same were separate entities up to teh Saber Alter vs Herc fight and also Lancer was killed by Assassin THEN absorbed by the Shadow. And Gil decided to kill her because her because he couldnt allow let her grow more.He knows she is dangerous but doesnt expect to have grown so much, not even Zouken who made her like that anticipated that. It isnt even arrogance that kills him but miscalculation. This isnt bad writing.It is allowed for characters to "act" like that.Or are you saying he iasnt allowed to do that? And considering the Shadow doesnt care about distance or speed at that point how exactly would trying to use Ea would work?Oh right. And point is Zero Gil would act the same way.So how Nasu wrote him is irrelevant since even Gen who easily changed Saber and Kirei for Zero, kept Gil the same way. |
| Ufotable, it doesn't matter how pretty you make the animations and tearjerking moments, you won't make me pity the ungrateful little shit. I hope they'll animate the right end in the 3rd movie. There's only one type of salvation that is deserved. Shirou dumbass as always in this movie, but he is in every route until the end so...:D |
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Armados said: Gilgamesh pretty much made her notice him by talking to her, as otherwise he could've nuked her before she could react. And making a character overpowered but eliminating him for the exact same reasons every time due to arrogance is bad writing in my opinion. He is an unstoppable force that constantly kills himself in the end, due to his own flaws. Having flaws in a character is great, but if that is simply the only way you could describe a character, is he an actual character or a simple plot device? Having a villain that is "a force of nature" but suffers from the same consequences every single route makes people question his existence. Its just like Berserker is used as a "power check", to show who is superior to who in the grand scheme of things, and isn't really a character on his own. You say Nasu, but the scene of which you are complaining about has some stark differences between the anime and the VN. Why comment on his writing without observing it? Given that in the VN the scene is different, we can look at how he loses in all 3 routes and determine that it's only in the UBW route that he loses due to the character trait of arrogance, whereas he loses due to external factors outside his control in the other two. In the Heaven's Feel visual novel route Gil had already presumed that Sakura was sufficiently dead, and he had no way of knowing that she could regenerate from what he did to her. That's not arrogance, just that what happened was outside his reasonable expectations. Moreover, he lost due to the shadow then instantly consuming him, leaving with with a scarce amount of time to even react to the event. That the director chose to have Gil stay around considerably longer here before being eaten was to play up Sakura/the Shadow as the grand antagonist of Heaven's Feel, to add more danger to the movie and intensify it's horror atmosphere. It's not a poor decision, and in fact it works quite well, but it is something that's not in the VN. And it's certainly true that Gilgamesh isn't much of a character in the OG VN, he's one of the weaker cast members with little doubt. But it's equally true that Zero Gil is very much the same character, only that he interacts with Kirei more, and their dynamic makes him more interesting on-screen. Undoubtedly, the character as written in Zero would do the exact same things he did in SN. |
Armados said: ssjokg said: Except that the Shadow and Sakura while the same were separate entities up to teh Saber Alter vs Herc fight and also Lancer was killed by Assassin THEN absorbed by the Shadow. And Gil decided to kill her because her because he couldnt allow let her grow more.He knows she is dangerous but doesnt expect to have grown so much, not even Zouken who made her like that anticipated that. It isnt even arrogance that kills him but miscalculation. This isnt bad writing.It is allowed for characters to "act" like that.Or are you saying he iasnt allowed to do that? And considering the Shadow doesnt care about distance or speed at that point how exactly would trying to use Ea would work?Oh right. And point is Zero Gil would act the same way.So how Nasu wrote him is irrelevant since even Gen who easily changed Saber and Kirei for Zero, kept Gil the same way. Gilgamesh pretty much made her notice him by talking to her, as otherwise he could've nuked her before she could react. And making a character overpowered but eliminating him for the exact same reasons every time due to arrogance is bad writing in my opinion. He is an unstoppable force that constantly kills himself in the end, due to his own flaws. Having flaws in a character is great, but if that is simply the only way you could describe a character, is he an actual character or a simple plot device? Having a villain that is "a force of nature" but suffers from the same consequences every single route makes people question his existence. Its just like Berserker is used as a "power check", to show who is superior to who in the grand scheme of things, and isn't really a character on his own. Nuke her?Again, you mean Ea? Why would he use Ea?Just give me a fucking reason. It wasnt arrogance but false expectations.He KNOWS that she will become too dangerous but he, just like EVERYONE ELSE in the route,misjudged how far she was gone. You learned the word arrogance, congrats but learn when it fits the context. Unlike with Shirou who he thought will never amount to anything, he KNEW Sakura would be dangerous. Except that this time it was a flaw EVERY character is allowed to have.Saber makes mistakes out of poor judgement all the time without arrogance being involved, Rin, Kirei, Kiritsugu,Tokiomi etc.It isnt the same as in fate or UBW.In fact he loses out of pure arrogance only in UBW.In Fate he loses AGAIN because his enemy got a new power he didnt know about for 10 years. Gil losing because he is an arrogant motherfucker is a good meme but dont try to judge the writing when he loses from that in only 1 out of 3 routes. Yes Berserker, who by nature cant have a character beyond "be always there for Ilya", is used just for the plot.That's no news. |
Armados said: Because unlike many other characters he actually knows what the holy grail is capable of doing? And he was aware of what is happening according to the way he was talking to her. Why didn't he kill her to begin with? Why did he even approach her previously just to suggest her to kill herself and then decided to do so himself? Since when does Gilgamesh simply leave things to happen without him controlling the scene or having some sort of an influence? He clearly doesn't follow Kirei's desire as otherwise he wouldn't even approach her, so how does that fit exactly for him to not blast her? Zouken and Ilya also know and were surprised as well.Also Gil knows what the Grail is not how Sakura's powers work because of it.Sakura can hurt spirits even without it, the Grail, or what is in it, only amplifies that power and also allows her to hurt humans as well. That Gil knows that she will undergo some transformation doesnt mean he knows what will happen.Especially considering that even the guy that experiment on her didnt know how far she could go. Remember in Zero when he left a Cthulh-like monster roam free because "gardening isnt his job'?What's up with that?Why do you act as if he ISNT like that n Zero?And also you know that Gil and Kirei work together right?As long as she can be used it is fine to keep her alive.Hell he says so in the VN that he was hoping to use her. And who exactly was left at that point that could do it? Dude, in Fate he literally didnt do shit for 90% of the story. In Zero too after the dockyard fight he again didnt act on his own till he decided to and even after that he was going along Kirei's plan.Yes he demands the "correct" answer but he still waist instead of heading in on his own. Just stop.The more you continue the more you prove you havent read the originals OR paid attention Zero and the other adaptations. |
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Armados said: ssjokg said: Zouken and Ilya also know and were surprised as well.Also Gil knows what the Grail is not how Sakura's powers work because of it.Sakura can hurt spirits even without it, the Grail, or what is in it, only amplifies that power and also allows her to hurt humans as well. That Gil knows that she will undergo some transformation doesnt mean he knows what will happen.Especially considering that even the guy that experiment on her didnt know how far she could go. Remember in Zero when he left a Cthulh-like monster roam free because "gardening isnt his job'?What's up with that?Why do you act as if he ISNT like that n Zero?And also you know that Gil and Kirei work together right?As long as she can be used it is fine to keep her alive.Hell he says so in the VN that he was hoping to use her. And who exactly was left at that point that could do it? Dude, in Fate he literally didnt do shit for 90% of the story. In Zero too after the dockyard fight he again didnt act on his own till he decided to and even after that he was going along Kirei's plan.Yes he demands the "correct" answer but he still waist instead of heading in on his own. Just stop.The more you continue the more you prove you havent read the originals OR paid attention Zero and the other adaptations. Bluebeard's monster wasn't a threat to Gilgamesh, while Sakura was. He literally told her at the very beginning when she met her alone she should kill herself before its too late - how the hell does he go with Kirei's plan if Kirei ? It was a threat to the whole world AND the war and the latter was his concern when he went to deal with her, not his own safety.And in Zero he didnt care about the war at all. She can be a and use that as a grail, in the same way he used Shinji in UBW. I dont get what is hard for you to understand.You would know this if you had read the VN. The reason why everything goes to shit(or maybe it could be worse)is because those that worked on Sakura, and those that wanted to use her were wrong about how strong and/or compatible she was. Zouken's reaction to the Shadow's first appearance is one of disbelief. |
| Just finished watching this and rather than go into a long detailed diatribe about it-I'll just say it was FUCKING fantastic. This is why I like the Fate series (Ufotable done). |
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| This dramatically changes what the story of unlimited blade works was, I really liked this one a little more than the other <3 |
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TTagain said: This is a result of condensing so much content into 4 hours. Imo there should have been more than 3 movies.Also it might only be me but this doesn't really fit into movie format quite much. Idk I just didn't find it coherent. |
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TTagain said: Okay this was good but Holy grail war was mostly absent in the movie. There was only 1 scene with masters/servents clasing (and it was spectacular). Also it might only be me but this doesn't really fit into movie format quite much. Idk I just didn't find it coherent. There are 5 Servants left at the start of the movie and 2 of them die/lose.Also it was 3 scenes(Rider vs Archer, Alter vs Berserker, Archer vs Assassin). And the war is no more so... It is coherent enough tho. |
| This movie was spectacular!! The cinematography, directing and music was beyond superb!! I cant stop praising this show lol. The berserker and alter fight was breath taking, just so perfect. lol at Gil tho, I thought lancer got the short end of the stick but was I wrong. HAHAHA *cries because I also hoped Gil was gonna get an epic battle scene* oh well HAHA. |
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Botato said: TTagain said: This is a result of condensing so much content into 4 hours. Imo there should have been more than 3 movies.Also it might only be me but this doesn't really fit into movie format quite much. Idk I just didn't find it coherent. Heaven's Feel's pace would be excruciating as a two-cour TV series IMO. A movie trilogy is fine. They just should've made every movie 2.5~3 hours. Both movies needed a bit more time to breath, but Presage Flower in particular REALLY needed it. Scenes won't just jump as jarringly and Illya would've gotten all of her crucial scenes and then some, at least, in both movies. I honestly could do away with "Die Lorelei", but the Illya park scene in the rain got really butchered in Lost Butterfly, which stands out like a sore thumb since everything else got a way better treatment, even with all the cuts. |
| The movie was excellent, I loved it as a Fate fan. The only bad thing was that they skipped this scene, Shirou's reaction in the anime was "normal", a little anti-climatic |
WhiteD4C said: The movie was excellent, I loved it as a Fate fan. The only bad thing was that they skipped this scene, Shirou's reaction in the anime was "normal", a little anti-climatic Well should be obvious. In UBW info was being transferred to him just by being close to Archer, so hear it should be even "worse". But who am I kidding?Some people couldnt understand other more "explained" stuff. |
TTagain said: ssjokg said: There are 5 Servants left at the start of the movie and 2 of them die/lose.Also it was 3 scenes(Rider vs Archer, Alter vs Berserker, Archer vs Assassin). And the war is no more so... It is coherent enough tho. The rider vs archer had no weight or whatsoever. We knew nobody was going to die or anything, so the fight itself had nothing to offer except Rider's identity (which I already knew so it didn't really surprise me). The archer vs assassin was part of the same fight scene. I mean only one scene in which 2 battles happen and then we are back to drama. As for coherence...maybe it is just me but a lot of scenes felt rushed. Oh you knew nobody would die huh?Just like you expected 2 Servants to be eliminated in the forest?Maybe nobody we care would die,but there is one character that could easily die in that scene.We would be happy or give zero shit at all, but he could die there and the story would change little. Archer vs Assassin is a different fight than Saber vs Berserker. Two different pairs that dont interact with each other or affect the others fight in any way.That they happen at the same time doesnt mean it is the same fight. And yes back to drama, as if that is a bad thing. The fights are the cherry on top of the cake. Rushed doesnt mean incoherent.Maybe they are for now if the explanation is in the 3rd movie but that is intentional. |
TTagain said: grail war was mostly absent in the movie. There was only 1 scene with masters/servents clasing (and it was spectacular). this part of the VN has the least amount of real fights and Ufo made the Saber Alter vs. Berserker fight more explosive and time consuming than it needs to be, that fight is legit 8 minutes long and they might have done that to please the action audience that carried over from FZ and UBW anime, whether they would be anime-onlies or VN readers TTagain said: As for coherence...maybe it is just me but a lot of scenes felt rushed. the first movie was suffering from the same problem, i don't think it's quite as noticeable here the movie trilogy is rushed, Illya and Kirei are missing a lot of their screen time so far, and people saw this coming from miles away so that's why you may not see as much complaining about it |
astroprogs said: I... Don't 100% agree. I do agree that some things could have used more time, and that as a whole HF needs more than 6 hours of runtime, but... Botato said: This is a result of condensing so much content into 4 hours. Imo there should have been more than 3 movies. Heaven's Feel's pace would be excruciating as a two-cour TV series IMO. A movie trilogy is fine. They just should've made every movie 2.5~3 hours. Both movies needed a bit more time to breath, but Presage Flower in particular REALLY needed it. Scenes won't just jump as jarringly and Illya would've gotten all of her crucial scenes and then some, at least, in both movies. I honestly could do away with "Die Lorelei", but the Illya park scene in the rain got really butchered in Lost Butterfly, which stands out like a sore thumb since everything else got a way better treatment, even with all the cuts. 3 movies are not enough. Even as 3 hour long movies it wouldn't improve things too much, the extra time could be wasted to fit in more filler/original scenes because they'd still need to stop at specific points in the story for each movie (filler here would be used to round things up, since the end point might be reached within 2.5 hours or so as an example). Having more than 3 movies sounds like a much better idea. They don't even need to be the same length if doing that will ruin the pacing. Just think of it as having some very long episodes of a TV show or OVA series. I mean KnK worked out right? I was honestly hoping for 5 movies, about 9-10 hours or so total, but eh. I'll still take this I guess. |
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Major_Matt said: What bothers me is how heavily this movie tries to take these topics seriously when they just end up sexualising Sakura for the sake of horny teens liking their movie a.k.a we never ever should show girls in their underwear or any of their 18+ parts even if we aren't given a proper view. All female sexualization must be boring like lifetime movies and romance novels. The next fate stay night animated thing needs to be just the hentai scenes. And give Taiga and Illya scenes too. |
Kokorowagurasu said: Question: should I assume that all that happened in the past in this route happened in other routes too? Like, did Shinji also rape Sakura many times in the past in unlimited blade works? Cause if so, the end where she’s just fine with him pisses me off... yes, all routes have the same start, whether what Shinji was doing to Sakura (before this point) can be considered rape is debatable she took pity on him and let him do it before this point, as an apology for stealing his place as the Matou heir Sakura was like an empty doll after the worm rape, and she was never expecting Shirou to accept her and didn't think she would have a future with him, she just wanted to be around him for as long as possible, until another woman would eventually take him from her Kokorowagurasu said: Cause if so, the end where she’s just fine with him pisses me off... she wasn't fine tho, she thought "I wish someone like this didn't exist" and the shadow fulfilled her wish. and if you're talking about her reaction to his death |
Shayon said: I think they mean UBW where she takes care of him.Kokorowagurasu said: Question: should I assume that all that happened in the past in this route happened in other routes too? Like, did Shinji also rape Sakura many times in the past in unlimited blade works? Cause if so, the end where she’s just fine with him pisses me off... yes, all routes have the same start, whether what Shinji was doing to Sakura (before this point) can be considered rape is debatable she took pity on him and let him do it before this point, as an apology for stealing his place as the Matou heir Sakura was like an empty doll after the worm rape, and she was never expecting Shirou to accept her and didn't think she would have a future with him, she just wanted to be around him for as long as possible, until another woman would eventually take him from her Kokorowagurasu said: Cause if so, the end where she’s just fine with him pisses me off... she wasn't fine tho, she thought "I wish someone like this didn't exist" and the shadow fulfilled her wish. and if you're talking about her reaction to his death |
ssjokg said: I think they mean UBW where she takes care of him. oh, i misunderstood that part, my bad @Kokorowagurasu |
Kokorowagurasu said: Also, my memory might be failing me... but wasn’t berserk Nobel phantasm supposed to prevent Hercules from dying to the same Nobel Phantasm more than once? Hence why Gilgamesh was such a counter to him 🤔 That was a mistake fans AND the artist (and boss of Type Moon) made.Nasu has cleared it up now.In short Herc doesnt become immune to damage from the same attack/NP.He only gets an absurd resistance.Which again is the same thing unless you fight something that can keep raising its power enough to you. 99% of Servants wouldn't be able hurt him after dealing some damage. |
ssjokg said: So then I take it Saber Alter is an exception here?Kokorowagurasu said: Also, my memory might be failing me... but wasn’t berserk Nobel phantasm supposed to prevent Hercules from dying to the same Nobel Phantasm more than once? Hence why Gilgamesh was such a counter to him 🤔 That was a mistake fans AND the artist (and boss of Type Moon) made.Nasu has cleared it up now.In short Herc doesnt become immune to damage from the same attack/NP.He only gets an absurd resistance.Which again is the same thing unless you fight something that can keep raising its power enough to you. 99% of Servants wouldn't be able hurt him after dealing some damage. Also why was it so one sided? |
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ssjokg said: WhiteD4C said: The movie was excellent, I loved it as a Fate fan. The only bad thing was that they skipped this scene, Shirou's reaction in the anime was "normal", a little anti-climatic Well should be obvious. In UBW info was being transferred to him just by being close to Archer, so hear it should be even "worse". But who am I kidding?Some people couldnt understand other more "explained" stuff. Ehh no, Kirei in that part explains well about the red scarf, in the anime it is left a bit ambiguous. In addition, I was referring more to Shirou's reaction, in the anime don't show the psychological impact of change. But hey, it's a small detail that bothered me a little, nothing important |
Botato said: Also why was it so one sided? Berserker has to deal with both the Shadow and Saber Alter, and she's being powered up by the grail and receiving magical energy from it |
Shayon said: Shadow was out of the picture in the biggest chunk of the battle tho.Botato said: Also why was it so one sided? Berserker has to deal with both the Shadow and Saber Alter, and she's being powered up by the grail and receiving magical energy from it |
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Botato said: Shayon said: Shadow was out of the picture in the biggest chunk of the battle tho.Berserker has to deal with both the Shadow and Saber Alter, and she's being powered up by the grail and receiving magical energy from it Still responsible for 1 of his deaths. And if it wasnt there to swallow him up he would still fight. Kokorowagurasu said: ssjokg said: That was a mistake fans AND the artist (and boss of Type Moon) made.Nasu has cleared it up now.In short Herc doesnt become immune to damage from the same attack/NP.He only gets an absurd resistance.Which again is the same thing unless you fight something that can keep raising its power enough to you. 99% of Servants wouldn't be able hurt him after dealing some damage. Ohh, I see... so like regular saber while having shirou as a master could take one life from him, and then if she gained more mana could take even more... I guess it makes sense since alter saber had so much energy at her disposal. Thank you. More energy is a a bit wrong.Unlimited is the correct term. What Saber was doing is an anomaly, no different from cheating if we can say that. |
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ssjokg said: Doesn't matter if he could still fight or not though. It was a one sided stomp despite the shadow not interfering after the first death.Botato said: Shadow was out of the picture in the biggest chunk of the battle tho. Still responsible for 1 of his deaths. And if it wasnt there to swallow him up he would still fight. |
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Botato said: ssjokg said: Doesn't matter if he could still fight or not though. It was a one sided stomp despite the shadow not interfering after the first death.Still responsible for 1 of his deaths. And if it wasnt there to swallow him up he would still fight. Her unlimited mana is the reason she can hurt him and even then the last Excalibur is the most she could do. And he got pretty good hits on her.If she couldn't regenerate thanks to her Unlimited mana she would lose after that last death. |
ssjokg said: She didn't look injured at all and even blocked his last punch at full power like it was nothing. I can't see this as anything except a one-sided stomp. And Herc still has Illya as his source so idk.Botato said: Doesn't matter if he could still fight or not though. It was a one sided stomp despite the shadow not interfering after the first death. Her unlimited mana is the reason she can hurt him and even then the last Excalibur is the most she could do. And he got pretty good hits on her.If she couldn't regenerate thanks to her Unlimited mana she would lose after that last death. |
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Botato said: ssjokg said: She didn't look injured at all and even blocked his last punch at full power like it was nothing. I can't see this as anything except a one-sided stomp. And Herc still has Illya as his source so idk.Her unlimited mana is the reason she can hurt him and even then the last Excalibur is the most she could do. And he got pretty good hits on her.If she couldn't regenerate thanks to her Unlimited mana she would lose after that last death. If K&B can hurt her then Herc can too.She has quick healing thanks to all that mana. They have the same rank for str too so it makes sense to block it. I mean Saber's supply. Shayon said: damnit. Donethat particular scene is in the third movie, but both movies have skipped some scenes involving Kirei and shortened his screen time so far you should spoiler mark your quote too @ssjokg |
ssjokg said: I know what you meant, I am saying Herc has the same thing. And like I said, she didn't look injured at all. Watch the fight scene again, she just shrugged him off while Herc was flailing around desperately trying to do something to her at least and failing.Botato said: She didn't look injured at all and even blocked his last punch at full power like it was nothing. I can't see this as anything except a one-sided stomp. And Herc still has Illya as his source so idk. If K&B can hurt her then Herc can too.She has quick healing thanks to all that mana. They have the same rank for str too so it makes sense to block it. I mean Saber's supply. |
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Botato said: ssjokg said: I know what you meant, I am saying Herc has the same thing. And like I said, she didn't look injured at all. Watch the fight scene again, she just shrugged him off while Herc was flailing around desperately trying to do something to her at least and failing.If K&B can hurt her then Herc can too.She has quick healing thanks to all that mana. They have the same rank for str too so it makes sense to block it. I mean Saber's supply. That's what we see.Be was killed by Archer in IBW but we didnt see shit there either. Ilya has. Alot of mana but it isnt truly unlimited. That's why they need three days for God hand to regen the lives it lost. |
ssjokg said: What coping mechanism can a rape victim that as been violated by magical penis worms, that are her diabolical grandpa, for 11 years even create? I am sorry but this isnt just a one time domestic violence situation.In Zero she saw the man that tried to defy her grandpa become worm food.Go back and see what is her reaction. And seems that you disregarded everything about how she sees the world around her.Even without knowing she is the shadow she knows she is hurting them because she is still dangerous.that was the point of the rain scene.And if you paid attention in that scene you would understand why she acts like that. I dont know what you expect from a person that takes a step forward only for, literally the devil, to throw them back 10 steps. If any character had Sakura's experiences and somehow fought filled with courage, yes, that would be a mary sue.And bad writing in general. How exactly do you expect from her to find the courage to fight? I dont know what false expectations you had for a character like her but it definitely isnt her fault that everything developed like that. So... to everything that I wrote your only argument is that I didn't get her character and any other way of her handling it would be Mary Sue and bad writing... I genuinely don't know what to respond to that. I'll refrain from something sarcastic that would just piss you off more and say that this doesn't refute anything I wrote at all. Excuse me for assuming but I take it you're either a strong Fate fan or a strong Sakura fan or both. Which is good for you for sure because this is the best time for a Fate fan. But to sum it up what I expected of Sakura is to be likable. She isn't. When given the choice, between everything she has ever wanted and death she actively goes for the latter. I'm not talking about courage, I'm talking about common sense. I would expected her character to use and abuse the power when she has it. Honestly, now, Sakura seems more of a Mary Sue than in any other possibility. Because whatever happens, she's this pure victim who's never done anything wrong on purpose and all is the fault of the Shadow. Yes, I would like to see more of a character conflict, her using the Shadow to destroy the Matous intentionally rather than accidentally and that being her downfall. I want to see character flaws, I want to see her fighting for herself. I don't want to see a victim, I want her to take control of her life ONCE when given the opportunity. Every other character has had to face their own failures this route. Rin had to face the guilt of doing nothing while her sister suffered, Shirou had to face his rejection of his ideals for his loved one. Sakura was this pure flower who's never done anything wrong intentionally. I will just state this and end my part in the discussion because we're going in circles. I agree to disagree on Sakura's character with you. I have to admit I admire your dedication to Fate (or to Nasuverse?) in general, I wish I would have something to be as passionate about. Thank you for responding to me, I do have a bit warmer opinion of Sakura than before. |
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