| Another controversy huh, This is why I watch hentai instead. |
| Go read 'Mediterranean Hegemon of Ancient Greece' If you like webnovel with historical, military and kingdom building genre. |
copyrightRingo said: Ysad_Ziwezhan said: I don't know how it rebukes slavery if slavery still exists and the hero doesn't do anything against despite his status AND despite the fact he is coming from our modern society. Or is slavery abolished at the end of the story ? The story explores on slaves on one arc. Is slavery abolished? It's illegal by law, but people are still doing it. That would be a good argument. Nevertheless, it's illegal but the royal family does not implement nor execute the law and let the hero goes on with it. Furthermore, back then pro-slavery people argue that the economy couldn't work and society would crumble without slavery, it was a kind of necessary evil. Here in the manga our hero can not fight the waves without his slave and his pet (that's the way the story is written). It's the same kind of "necessary evil" argument we got one or two hundred years ago. Having said that, I still think the main goal of slavery in this story is fetishisation of the master-servant and a certain kind of man-woman relationship and maybe he takes also inspiration from some fantasy games. I don't think the author is pro-slavery though, he just doesn't care and he thinks it's "useful" for the story but because he doesn't care it can be read as something acceptable "if there's no better way" and that's not so cool. |
| fuckin hell controversy again? I thought we had enough from just Goblin Slayer and Zombieland Saga. |
FontSize72LOL said: NthDegree said: Hm, I certainly mistook her gender. Thank you for the correction. That being said, it's not like women can't be sexist or support slavery, so it doesn't make the books any less problematic. The sexism and slavery are both extremely shallow takes though. The series is highly critical of the slavery system and Naofumi only utilizes it as a manner of survival. The first episode, or the first arc even is only more or less the prologue of the story anyway, Its a little quick to judge the entire merits of the story based on a cursory first glance. Calling a Bitch a Bitch isn't any more sexist than calling a bastard a bastard. I think you're taking all the wrong things away from the incident in the first episode. Naofumi loses his ability to trust people over the incident. Pretty much the only person he thinks favorably of at first is the blacksmith and thats practically only because the blacksmith was the only person to show Naofumi a bit of kindness (and he helped him out). A lot of this story is about a guy who lost his ability to trust and give faith to people, regaining that through his interaction with his companions. What is problematic anyway? That an author dared to insinuate that a rape accusation could be weaponized and used by a malicious actor to ruin someones life? The author in no way insinuated this was a normal, usual or acceptable thing so what is problematic about it? Keep in mind this was written back in 2013 or so. I would like to point out that I've read first 7 LNs, so I think calling it 'quick to judge' is rather stretching it. As for what's problematic, please refer to my earlier post NthDegree said: Promoting slavery is simple: the MC supports actual slavery by being a slave master. That's bad enough but furthermore I've mostly focused on the slavery bit but as for misogyny EDIT: tl;dr: Guys get to be heroes, girls get to be slaves. Real subtle, guys. @Xederpl No topic is forbidden, but the author's writing is so bad as it comes off as misogynist and promoting slavery. As for why, please refer to my quote above. So as you can see this is a problem, unless you specifically want to promote those (which I assume you don't)? @Huex3 Well, thank you for at least providing your viewpoint. I hope you found my arguments reasonable. |
| This entire thread is asinine. SJWs, Antifas and snowflakes have taken over the message boards. I suggest all the forums to be shut down indefinitely to purge the toxic environment they cause. |
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| Another snowflake theme ... fictional world can be different than ponnies and happy clouds ...same goes for reality, just deal with it or cry at home, just dont bother everyone else.... im still wondering how someone can take those snowflakes seriously tho :D ...i remembered valkyria chronicles 4 accusation, that was funny af :D |
| no-one cared about rape accusations/. |
Groenboys said: fuckin hell controversy again? I thought we had enough from just Goblin Slayer and Zombieland Saga. There is not one ? where is it. |
If you want to dig into problem in every work of fiction then 99% of them have something negative in them, do you want to persecute each and every one of them? Unless autor tries to rally people to bring slavery back, there is nothing wrong in depicting it in one way or another inside a fantasy. That's where you're wrong. Saying it's reality or it was reality or it's a fictional setting isn't enough to get away with it. You can do a movie showing some heros sacrificing their lives crushing a plane in some buildings if you want, I bet the "it's a fiction" argument would not save you in the US. Nonetheless it's true, like you say, that in many works of fiction there are some points worth criticizing, it's even worse in the anime world (that's just my impression) and you're right that it's too tiring to focus on that every time. On the other hand, right here, I'm just a bit bothered once again about the "obligatory" slave status of the female character and even more with the "it's good, I want it" and the "the male master is so nice anyway". But yeah, it's not the end of the world and it's not the first nor the last time I'll see something like that in a shounen/seinen "setting". It's still lame tough. @gamers12 The hero can survive without the slave. You can see it in the first episode. The slave tool is just a shortcut at the beginning and then a "necessary evil" imposed by the author of the manga. |
Ysad_Ziwezhan said: @gamers12 The hero can survive without the slave. You can see it in the first episode. The slave tool is just a shortcut at the beginning and then a "necessary evil" imposed by the author of the manga. Did you just completely ignore that the wave exist? As if he doesn't get killed during the wave. No, he can't hide. He gets teleported to the battlefield when the wave starts. |
| 「ボクは…確かに現実に絶望している。だけど、自分には絶望していない!! 今がつまらないか…楽しいのか…平凡なのか…決めているのは現実じゃない。決めるのはボクだ!!ボクが望めば不可能はない!!」-桂木桂馬 "True, I've given up on the real world. However, I haven't given up on myself!! The world doesn't get to decide whether my life is boring, fun, or ordinary because that's my decision to make!! As long as I have the will, nothing is impossible!!" -Katsuragi Keima |
Gerver said: Also newfags who dont know when Shield Hero was released will say "boo hoo another isekai with slave girl harem we've seen it 1000 times" Regardless of source material release date the only reason this series is getting an anime is because the current isekai craze same reasin most movies in America are super hero movies. If you're saying that's not a factor the I fear for your future business endeavors Shiro_cze said: Another snowflake theme ... fictional world can be different than ponnies and happy clouds ...same goes for reality, just deal with it or cry at home, just dont bother everyone else.... im still wondering how someone can take those snowflakes seriously tho :D ...i remembered valkyria chronicles 4 accusation, that was funny af :D What valkyria chronicles accusation? |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| so Im usually into shit bait level conversations but I cant be bothered to read 5 pages. Anyone here with an TLDR for me? What is the consent here? |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
Janethan23 said: This entire thread is asinine. SJWs, Antifas and snowflakes have taken over the message boards. I suggest all the forums to be shut down indefinitely to purge the toxic environment they cause. We need to build a firewall between us anime fans and them snowflakes and make them pay for it. |
theboxcarracer said: People writing articles about a show having horrible values isn't a "controversy". Y'all are so quick to get offended at the idea that someone might take offense to something that you managed to actually get offended at them before they said anything about the topic. And yeah, this show has trash values. And people can talk about how horrible those values are and look at the show with a critical eye. That's not censorship, they're not calling for the show to be cancelled. They are using their freedom of expression to talk about this piece of media. That is in no way similar to the call to ban video games or burn books. Those two things are not even remotely comparable. And you know that. It's just a very convenient, easy argument to make, so you don't care that it doesn't hold even the slightest bit of water. In these articles, they are pointing out and discussing the elements of a show they found gross. They are not anti-art. They are, in fact, looking at a piece of art with a critical eye as opposed to simply being spoonfed the content without giving a thought to what its place is in the broader context of society. To be critical of a piece of art isn't offensive. It's not a controversy. But you are all so quick to jump on "SJW snowflakes" that you've decided any time anybody thinks something is bad, it's a controversy. You anti-SJW people are so easily offended, it's ridiculous. As I said earlier, the hypocrisy of threads like these is so painfully obvious that it's hard to believe anyone is actually taking this bait. The show doesn't have trash values as it doesn't have values (that it stands for). It's a work of fiction and the author is not inciting anything. The values that you speak of are the values of the universe of the series. It's not a commentary of real-life society, but some people took it that way as soon as they saw the false rape allegation. I don't see the anti-SJW crowd getting so easily offended as they are not the ones who conflated fiction with reality. The SJW crowd did. That is why we see some very ridiculous accusations such as the author is misogynist or because the MC judged one woman as a thot, he must be sexist towards all women. The SJW's were the ones that made the series unnecessarily political. And you're also making a strawman. No one is saying people cannot criticize Tate no Yuusha. People are calling out certain "criticisms", if you can even call them that, as wild hot takes. |
VeryLTTPJan 9, 2019 5:05 PM
| Why is it a big deal now? cause its been out there for a very long time now in the Manga and LN that he was falsely accused. It's a big controversy because it's in anime adaptation now? |
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| Japan dosent give a flying fuck about landwhales crying over their anime, dosent matter, snowflakes getting triggered by it will only make the series more popular, like it did with goblin slayer. |
Kougeru said: The people most sensitive seem to be the ones complaining about non-existent outrage lol That's about 99% of this thread. There could be 1 ANN article by some idiot saying the anime is terrible, and it will spawn 1,000 threads by anti-sjw's reeeing about it for the next 6 months. Hell, there could be 0 negative sjw articles and they will scream about it anyway. I'm adverse to hyper sensitive people too, but the most triggered people are always the anti-sjw crowed because they scream like the 1 stupid ANN review is gonna ruin anime forever. Guys, just let it go and enjoy your anime. |
KetuekigamiJan 9, 2019 8:44 PM
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Well there's one thing that is important nowadays, education. Yes it is somewhat a serious matter. Slowly explaining things to kids so that they don't become stupid adults later. And with fictions you can educate too or ... comfort people in their ignorance and biases and when it's the later, why not just saying it ? It doesn't hurt much and on the long run, it might help some few, those who are willing to learn and understand. But again, despite me voicing my view here, I don't take the case here too seriously, I really don't. It would be too tiring. It already is. @ copyrightRingo you're right. "time pressure" plot device and then " level up" plot device. Necessary evil. All according to the author's choices. That's the point of the criticism. |
| I'm so disgusted with the people who get triggered over works of fiction solely aimed at our enjoyment. Rape and slavery? What? You people are idiots who got triggered over this. If we let you snowflakes dictate what's appropriate then it's the end of anime and entertainment as we know it. There will come a time even depicting war or showing a gun would be considered insensitive. There won't be a ceiling to where they'll be triggered so we shouldn't let them take over by indulging them with their complaints. These snowflakes should all react to real events happening today instead of hijacking the entertainment aspect of people's lives so they can impose their agendas. Most of us watch anime to be entertained, not to be lectured or judged by what we watch. |
Janethan23Jan 10, 2019 2:23 AM
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| @Xederpl We can talk about whether it affects the real world or not later. If you have read my replies, you would know I haven't really commented on that at all yet, so you're trying to refute something that hasn't even been said. My point is simply that the show promotes slavery and misogyny within the work for the reasons I quoted in my previous post. Once we have cleared this up, we can argue about the real-world implications all you want. |
Here's the article. Unlike ANN's childish "this does not fit to my narrative, so it must be an evil, disgusting show" reviews, this one seems to be more balanced. |
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hazarddex said: Regardless of source material release date the only reason this series is getting an anime is because the current isekai craze same reasin most movies in America are super hero movies. If you're saying that's not a factor the I fear for your future business endeavors Then consider this anime as a fanservice for ranobe readers and move along. |
| The opinions of people with shit taste, such as yourself, may differ of course. |
Ketuekigami said: Kougeru said: The people most sensitive seem to be the ones complaining about non-existent outrage lol That's about 99% of this thread. There could be 1 ANN article by some idiot saying the anime is terrible, and it will spawn 1,000 threads by anti-sjw's reeeing about it for the next 6 months. Hell, there could be 0 negative sjw articles and they will scream about it anyway. I'm adverse to hyper sensitive people too, but the most triggered people are always the anti-sjw crowed because they scream like the 1 stupid ANN review is gonna ruin anime forever. Guys, just let it go and enjoy your anime. There isn't just one article doing this though. There's multiple, and from the comment sections there seem to be friendliness of authors between sites. Anti-SJW outrage is a response to SJW outrage. That's usually how I've seen it work. And considering how these sites are saying it's misogyny or w.e to have a woman falsely accuse rape on a man, and men have lost decades of their life in prison or have died in prison because of false accusations, I think this pushback is justified. In certain instances I would agree that the outrage becomes too much, but this is just how the current culture war plays. |
VeryLTTP said: I don't see the anti-SJW crowd getting so easily offended as they are not the ones who conflated fiction with reality. lmao. Try putting 1 male gay character i(Not-stereotyped, not a joke) in a work of fiction and check out the reactions. Especially in western fictions. Or maybe a woman who doesn't act like the virgin Mary. (Hi Kokoro from some seasons ago!). There are people that are still raging at Yuri on Ice existing to this day because LE SJW INFILTRATED BASED JAPAN. "Anti-SJW" (I used this term loosely because they are not anti SJW, they are simply right wings pricks triggered by anyone who is different) are the biggest snowflakes on the planet. Jesus Christ we had like TWO threads about you guys bitching about some random who on twitter publishing his opinion on this. |
Bernrika said: lmao. Try putting 1 male gay character i(Not-stereotyped, not a joke) in a work of fiction and check out the reactions. Especially in western fictions. Or maybe a woman who doesn't act like the virgin Mary. (Hi Kokoro from some seasons ago!). There are people that are still raging at Yuri on Ice existing to this day because LE SJW INFILTRATED BASED JAPAN. "Anti-SJW" (I used this term loosely because they are not anti SJW, they are simply right wings pricks triggered by anyone who is different) are the biggest snowflakes on the planet. Jesus Christ we had like TWO threads about you guys bitching about some random who on twitter publishing his opinion on this. I've hardly heard any raging about Yuri on Ice. You're likely describing something like the "outrage" of Doom's "mortally challenged" joke. It sounds to me that a bunch of random people got overly sensitive about something and the folks from the other side misinterpreted that as widespread outrage. I searched any topic about Yuri on Ice on Kotaku In Action, for example, and I didn't find any anti-SJW's getting mad over the existence of the show. However... I did find a thread about TheAnimeMan getting attacked as "anti-LGBT" for his opinions about it. Point is, I didn't find any "rage" you're describing in one of the biggest anti-SJW online groups. It's funny that you try to paint anti-SJW's as the biggest snowflakes when you're the one who's making a rather outraged, hyperbolic statement. I mean how dare we "right wing pricks" (fantasic over-generalization, btw, as I'm not even right wing) criticize someone's opinion about an adaptation of a series we happen to like. And perhaps we're bringing attention to and refuting the SJWs' irrational outrage because they've been publishing articles with rather hot, unsubstantiated takes. But hey, apparently expressing disagreement constitutes to "bitching". |
You don't like YoI? Go read about the incels comments on Franxx, or I dunno, SSY, or any gay character in media. But I bet these comments don't even faze you. You're likely describing something like the "outrage" of Doom's "mortally challenged" joke. It sounds to me that a bunch of random people got overly sensitive about something and the folks from the other side misinterpreted that as widespread outrage. No, I described right wing snowflakes ranting about LE MARXIST CONSPIRACY TAKING OVER JAPAN in this very place. I searched any topic about Yuri on Ice on Kotaku In Action, You brose Kotaku in Action and you want to pretend you don't know about right wing outrages? They have a 500 answers thread about a gay character in game, a thread about TloU 2 about how it will "get woke and broke" and 2 weeks ago they raged at a cover featuring two black girls (Until they found out they were the villains lol).  Nobody cares! T-totally not outraged! And why would you even look about YoI on a gaming subreddit? Not that it mattes, the outrage about it was spread all over the Internet and mal with people getting pretty nasty. we "right wing pricks" (fantasic over-generalization, btw, as I'm not even right wing) Let me guess, you call yourself a left-wing and browse youtube for the Quartering or Sargon videos. And perhaps we're bringing attention to and refuting the SJWs' irrational outrage because they've been publishing articles with rather hot, unsubstantiated takes. But hey, apparently expressing disagreement constitutes to "bitching". "I'm not right wing" Proceed to link alt right political site. I bet all the comments will rant about the jews and whatnot... yep! What's the next, one angry gamer? Also kudos for lack of self-awareness. "I hate ANN for being political... here is political site that tells you about le evil leftist agenda in comics and cartoons!" |
Some special females accused valkyria being totaly sexist game, becouse there is 1 scene where guy slaps girls ass... so they claimed its sexist game that put womens as low lifes and other BS :D .. it was kinda funny statement. |
Shiro_cze said: but most the girls in valkyria chronicles are op as fk... >_>Some special females accused valkyria being totaly sexist game, becouse there is 1 scene where guy slaps girls ass... so they claimed its sexist game that put womens as low lifes and other BS :D .. it was kinda funny statement. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| The king was not pleased with his presence to begin with, the woman (who I can only guess is a princess) alone wants to join him on his adventure and nobody even seems to bat an eye at this, the woman informs us that it is a matriarchal society, he is robbed by said women and accused of falsely raping her, everybody turns on him, he is practically exiled, then he goes an looks into buying slaves. There was nothing controversial here. Everything was planned from start to finish. Hell, if you were one of the heroes there is no way you would defend the other guy at the risk of losing everything yourself in a foreign land. Buying or obtaining slaves has been done in almost every other isekai under the sun. This reads like a predicable isekai with a victimization complex flavor, not as a controversial start. |
Bernrika said: You don't like YoI? Go read about the incels comments on Franxx, or I dunno, SSY, or any gay character in media. But I bet these comments don't even faze you. Again, you're just asserting without evidence. And this problem will repeat itself as I point out at other points of your response. No, I described right wing snowflakes ranting about LE MARXIST CONSPIRACY TAKING OVER JAPAN in this very place. See what I mean. You make an assertion, but you don't show anything beyond that. It screams "anyone who doesn't agree with me is a right wing snowflake". You brose Kotaku in Action and you want to pretend you don't know about right wing outrages? They have a 500 answers thread about a gay character in game, a thread about TloU 2 about how it will "get woke and broke" and 2 weeks ago they raged at a cover featuring two black girls (Until they found out they were the villains lol). I was solely talking about the alleged outrage about Yuri on Ice, though, and used KiA as a barometer. I never claimed that KiA does not get outraged about gay characters, so this part of your comment is a strawman argument. And even if I were to just go with the flow, is it the existence of gay characters KiA gets outraged about, or is it possible that KiA doesn't like the way gay characters are portrayed, i.e. they are just shoehorned in for no other reason. EDIT: I checked out that thread and much of the comments were either (1) Who cares?; (2) Blizzard is doing this to distract from the "Ellie" fake news; and (3) Blizzard is using Solider 76's homosexuality as a cheap way to bring positive attention to Overwatch (sort of relates to #2). And this is why you have to actually check the comments rather than look at the number of comments. Just because a thread has a lot of comments, it does not necessarily mean all of those comments are full of outrage. Nobody cares! T-totally not outraged! And why would you even look about YoI on a gaming subreddit? Not that it mattes, the outrage about it was spread all over the Internet and mal with people getting pretty nasty. Once, again another assertion with no evidence. Let me guess, you call yourself a left-wing and browse youtube for the Quartering or Sargon videos. Oh, cool, an ad hominem on top of the many other fallacies you have already made. Apparently to you, a person's political leanings are dictated by who that person watches on the Internet rather than the opinions and principles that person stands for. But hey, this is clearly right wing, am I right?  "I'm not right wing" Proceed to link alt right political site. I bet all the comments will rant about the jews and whatnot... yep! What's the next, one angry gamer? And yet another ad hominem. Excuse me as I pretend to act surprised that you don't even bother to read and address the article's points, and instead slap labels willy-nilly. Also kudos for lack of self-awareness. "I hate ANN for being political... here is political site that tells you about le evil leftist agenda in comics and cartoons!" How do I lack self-awareness if I never said I hate ANN for being political? Once again, you're just shooting down a statement I never uttered, i.e. it's a strawman. So to tally up how many fallacies you managed to make in a single comment, this is what I got: 3 Proofs of Assertion 2 Strawmen 2 Ad Hominems And yet, it's the "right-wing anti-SJWs" that are getting all outraged for no reason, and not you with all the fallacies and hyperbole... But hey, continue to dig that hole deeper for yourself because it's just bringing more attention to here so I have nothing to complain :) |
VeryLTTPJan 12, 2019 2:08 PM
| This world has really gone insane. Pages of political gender bullshit discussion, over a fucking fictional show. If you can't distinguish what's right and wrong, reality and fictional and you are older than 11, you should stay in a mental hospital. We are humans. We HAVE the capability to distinguish things like these. Think to yourself, what are you doing? Why are you outraged/so critical over this? Is it just because you hate this show? What are you even trying to accomplish? |
copyrightRingoJan 12, 2019 3:26 PM
| 「ボクは…確かに現実に絶望している。だけど、自分には絶望していない!! 今がつまらないか…楽しいのか…平凡なのか…決めているのは現実じゃない。決めるのはボクだ!!ボクが望めば不可能はない!!」-桂木桂馬 "True, I've given up on the real world. However, I haven't given up on myself!! The world doesn't get to decide whether my life is boring, fun, or ordinary because that's my decision to make!! As long as I have the will, nothing is impossible!!" -Katsuragi Keima |
theboxcarracer said: People writing articles about a show having horrible values isn't a "controversy". Y'all are so quick to get offended at the idea that someone might take offense to something that you managed to actually get offended at them before they said anything about the topic. And yeah, this show has trash values. And people can talk about how horrible those values are and look at the show with a critical eye. That's not censorship, they're not calling for the show to be cancelled. They are using their freedom of expression to talk about this piece of media. That is in no way similar to the call to ban video games or burn books. Those two things are not even remotely comparable. And you know that. It's just a very convenient, easy argument to make, so you don't care that it doesn't hold even the slightest bit of water. In these articles, they are pointing out and discussing the elements of a show they found gross. They are not anti-art. They are, in fact, looking at a piece of art with a critical eye as opposed to simply being spoonfed the content without giving a thought to what its place is in the broader context of society. To be critical of a piece of art isn't offensive. It's not a controversy. But you are all so quick to jump on "SJW snowflakes" that you've decided any time anybody thinks something is bad, it's a controversy. You anti-SJW people are so easily offended, it's ridiculous. As I said earlier, the hypocrisy of threads like these is so painfully obvious that it's hard to believe anyone is actually taking this bait. Except this show is not problematic in the slightest so your entire argument falls flat. It’s anti art to control what the author can and can’t do. |
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Skeptic said: Except this show is not problematic in the slightest so your entire argument falls flat. It’s anti art to control what the author can and can’t do. It's hilarious how much his point seems to have flown right above your head. |
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