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sourpotato said: Firechick12012 said: I managed to watch this in a theater back in July, and I'm seriously glad I did. The animation is stunning, the characters are all decently interesting and intriguing, the theme of mother/child relationships was very well done, and the story, while a little all over the place sometimes, was touching and got me in the feels. Granted, I won't lie, the movie does have plenty of flaws (The Renato's plight was never explained, and Ariel meeting and then marrying his former bully came way out of the left field), but they don't detract my enjoyment of the movie. I'd totally show this to every one of my friends and family. HOWEVER. There is, unfortunately, one scene near the end of the movie that absolutely infuriates me to no end. Well, regardless, I'd much rather watch a flawed but still genuinely good movie than a straight up terrible movie overall. I'm still gonna show this to my friends and family when I get the chance. After the credit there was an image of the Iorph and the last dragon, and among them there was a woman with red hair. I've always wondered who that might be since all Iorph have blond hair, but after reading your comments, I've come to think that she might be Leila's daughter. So, after the fall of the Mezarte maybe Leila got Medmel to live with her in the newly built village of Iorph. |
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shiroi-ookami said: After the credit there was an image of the Iorph and the last dragon, and among them there was a woman with red hair. I've always wondered who that might be since all Iorph have blond hair, but after reading your comments, I've come to think that she might be Leila's daughter. So, after the fall of the Mezarte maybe Leila got Medmel to live with her in the newly built village of Iorph. I think you're talking about this image, right? / |
MykasanNov 2, 2018 11:09 AM
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Mykasan said: shiroi-ookami said: After the credit there was an image of the Iorph and the last dragon, and among them there was a woman with red hair. I've always wondered who that might be since all Iorph have blond hair, but after reading your comments, I've come to think that she might be Leila's daughter. So, after the fall of the Mezarte maybe Leila got Medmel to live with her in the newly built village of Iorph. I think you're talking about this image, right? / Yes. That's the image. There's a red-haired woman washing clothes with another Iorph, far in the back. |
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shiroi-ookami said: Yes. That's the image. There's a red-haired woman washing clothes with another Iorph, far in the back. Yes, you are correct. Krim at the time was mentally distraught and borderline insane, an example of "elves vs humans" mentality, so by cutting her coloured hair he was "returning Maquia back to purity before humans". As for the daughter of Leilia's... there is no direct information on what happened with her after the empire got disbanded. Seemingly the nations that rebelled returned the reign to Medmel, and she ruled better than her good-for-nothing male ancestors did. But she did not posses the Iorphian characteristics, such as longevity. That was directly stated somewhere in the middle. Leilia is definitely the girl that is standing next to the Dragon in the image, but I highly doubt the red-haired girl (Medmel had more of a pink-ish hair, I believe) in the image is Medmel. Everyone else seems Iorph, so... I guess we are supposed to ask Mari Okada herself, if we want a believable answer. |
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| Wait a minute, it's actually not what he said even in this TL. For an Iorph to grow hair beyond her hips, you must be pregnant. So, it actually does mean that Iorph must be pregnant to grow her hair. Well, I also didn't understand it correctly at first, but now I get it. |
Firechick12012 said: As someone who's seen the movie in theaters, I think I can clear up the whole Krim saying Maquia resembles a pregnant woman thing. I remember the subtitles clearly saying that Iorph women are only allowed to grow their hair out after they've had kids, so I doubt Krim was saying Maquia looked pregnant because of her hair length. I assumed he was cutting her hair because she went against Iorph tradition by growing her hair out despite never having had a biological child. Daniel_Naumov said: Firechick12012 said: The whole thing is probably a translation misconception. They way it was worded in available online subtitled version drew pregnancy parallels in a way that did not employ the word "like", so there was no clear comparison between the two. I was also left wondering for a minute or two before remembering all the other mistakes in the subtitles.As someone who's seen the movie in theaters, I think I can clear up the whole Krim saying Maquia resembles a pregnant woman thing. I remember the subtitles clearly saying that Iorph women are only allowed to grow their hair out after they've had kids, so I doubt Krim was saying Maquia looked pregnant because of her hair length. I assumed he was cutting her hair because she went against Iorph tradition by growing her hair out despite never having had a biological child. I've already cleared the whole misconception people are having....why is it so hard to understand what I said? |
| 「友達なんていない。人はすぐに裏切るし、学校っていうのは誰かを標的にしないとやってられない馬鹿共の集 まり。ままごとみたいな役決めて、仲のいいふりして都合が悪くなったら知らんぷり。そんな奴らと仲良くした いとか全然思わない。」 |
| After the shitshow Orphans was. I am pleasantly surprised, hurt my heart a bit. Solid movie. Now, if only there's a small sidestory epilogue.... Would be nice. |
| The scenery are great for me , totally love it. The story , isnt what i expected i guess, i liked the first half , and the rest , i thought its going to be about maquia love life i guess? Not a war story I teared up a lot in the first half And another thing that i dislike is the gap where she was kidnapped. We doesnt know what she’s been doing , only know she’s being kept somewhere by krim (fuck krim , glad he died) , and somehow ariel married dita already lol and i was hoping that the knight commander(the old one) would have more role. That concludes everything i guess , been a while since i made a comment |
| The end near got me, i almost gave it a ten without even thinking about what i just saw, but after a lot of tears i came to a conclusion. Great: Art,Animation,Soundtrack. Good: Plot. Bad: Big pacing issues near the end, Plot holes. The time skip near the end(when he got a wife), was really out of blue. There was a lot of moments that i got me waiting for a explanation that never came. Overall great movie, and a great debut for Okada. |
Renalan said: The implication is Maquia understands the tradition and let's her hair grow out cause Ariel is her child. There was just no scissor or blade in that cell lol~ |
| This fucking destroyed me. So many tears. ;~; What a beautiful movie. |
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Renalan said: I read what was written, didn't seem like anyone had a real grasp of Japanese so I gave the correct translation. The implication is Maquia understands the tradition and let's her hair grow out cause Ariel is her child. Actually no. she didn't actually understands it which is why Cream have to remind her again. Ariel, being her foster son, does not qualify her to let her hair grow which she thought it it does. The traditions applied to only those with biological children hence he said 子を産んでからだ. As she did NOT actually gave birth to Ariel, she didn't qualify. My pardon for the horrible explanation beforehand. Will explain everything in detail next time. Thought some matters were pretty obvious that I didn't need to highlight it. |
| 「友達なんていない。人はすぐに裏切るし、学校っていうのは誰かを標的にしないとやってられない馬鹿共の集 まり。ままごとみたいな役決めて、仲のいいふりして都合が悪くなったら知らんぷり。そんな奴らと仲良くした いとか全然思わない。」 |
Daniel_Naumov said: Jiharo said: Actually no. she didn't actually understands it which is why Cream have to remind her again. Ariel, being her foster son, does not qualify her to let her hair grow which she thought it it does. The traditions applied to only those with biological children hence he said 子を産んでからだ. As she did NOT actually gave birth to Ariel, she didn't qualify. My pardon for the horrible explanation beforehand. Will explain everything in detail next time. Thought some matters were pretty obvious that I didn't need to highlight it. But... this is exactly what Renalan said. That since Maquia really thought of Ariel being her son (playing along with the situation) Krim commented on it, as he hated the idea of Maquia continuously self-deceiving herself with a human child. This is what I understood from the said person's input. To make herself believe Ariel is her child she grew the hair, as she knew of the tradition. I don't think so though. Makia(Maquia) has never once doubted it. She is constantly worrying if she was a good mother to Ariel and she knows that she isn't his biological mother but nevertheless, she wants to at least, behave mother-like with him. We don't know what happened after Maquia was caught to the time of that scene due to the time skip so that extrapolation is a bit too far. One thing we can confirm is throughout the ENTIRE series, Maquia has never once self-deceived herself. She believed in Ariel all the way, even with him being an asshole and leaving her, she still believed in him. It's more than likely that she knew of the tradition yet not the specifics, which is why Cream(Krim) had to remind her. |
| 「友達なんていない。人はすぐに裏切るし、学校っていうのは誰かを標的にしないとやってられない馬鹿共の集 まり。ままごとみたいな役決めて、仲のいいふりして都合が悪くなったら知らんぷり。そんな奴らと仲良くした いとか全然思わない。」 |
| It was looking pretty and the idea was nice but that's pretty much all about it. As a movie it didn't had the time to go into details which was pretty sad, I wish to know more about that merchant for example. I was waiting for this movie ever since the first info came out and though I'm not completely disappointed with it, I can't say that it was anything more than "fine". |
 I'm watching anime since 2012. I also play games, sometimes. Don't bother me if you want to 'become friends' or things like that. It's tiresome. I know you just want to collect some meaningless numbers. Thought: How many people sparked H. Charlotta just for blue pot? |
| The end almost destroyed me. |
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| How can this have such high score, it just a story about kidnaping and rape after rape. Also the whorst kind kind of rape, the romanticized one. The last hour was just bull shit. |
TTagain said: Okay so i have a question: What happened to other female Iorphs that were kidnapped? We only got to see leilia and Maquia. There is a scene at Drifters episode 5 that would probably resume very well what happened out of scene. :( |
shiro_kaiNov 8, 2018 4:40 AM
| Probably THE best original-story anime film I've ever watched, at least in these recent years. Nearly everything was executed to perfection. The only thing I wished the film did was to touch upon more about how that world works, as well as more highlights for certain support characters like Medmel. But overall, it was a great film, and I'm so glad I was able to watch it. |
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HungryForQuality said: The climax(es) at the end really can't be overstated. Got my chest to tighten pretty badly. Wasn't a fan of the time skips before the end, thought it broke immersion. Then again, I'm never a fan of time skips unless it's used at the end for catharsis. Renatons didn't really have a place in the story. Overall, it's a solid 8/10. Way better than Okada's Anohana, a melodramatic mess. I can agree with that |
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The stuff regarding the timeskips and the part where you said it's way better than Anohana. |
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HungryForQuality said: Ryuseishun said: The stuff regarding the timeskips and the part where you said it's way better than Anohana. Cool. Can I send you a friend request? LOL sure man, I don't see a problem xD |
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| Man my heart is in pain. I loved the movie, but I was sad all the time, ahahahaha. I thought that there was something going on with Leilia and the General, I even shipped them xd I'm a weird person, so i kind of wanted to ship Maquia with someone (Lang was my first choice, too bad it was one-sided) and in the end my ship with her was the Barlow, i cant even understand myself (but I thought some of the kids in the end were Very similar to him, so maybe more half-Iorf?) Also who's that brown haired in the end? lol |
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| Well this movie was depressing lol. This movie was pretty straight forward. Ariel is a dick for leaving Maqia the person who raised him all alone. Horrible son. I do have a few questions. So Krim while in the cell with Maqia said that her hair grew long because she’s pregnant... so she must have gave birth to kids? And that’s lady standing in the background at the end of the moving must be her daughter? Also they said the elder is alive so she must have escaped? I guess I answered my own questions xD overall this was an awesome rollar coaster of feelings this anime brought me! |
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Rhazel said: Well this movie was depressing lol. This movie was pretty straight forward. Ariel is a dick for leaving Maqia the person who raised him all alone. Horrible son. I do have a few questions. So Krim while in the cell with Maqia said that her hair grew long because she’s pregnant... so she must have gave birth to kids? And that’s lady standing in the background at the end of the moving must be her daughter? Also they said the elder is alive so she must have escaped? I guess I answered my own questions xD overall this was an awesome rollar coaster of feelings this anime brought me! Not this question again... |
| this is truly a unique movie i never thought u can weave a story like this i liked it alot PAworks has done it again the ost was done really well i dont know why but this reminds me of nagi no asukara wish it could have been longer 8.5/10 for me |
Storm_blessedNov 9, 2018 9:53 PM
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| Okay this was one of the best anime movies I've ever watched. I teared up three times during the whole movie. It's no masterpiece (pacing issues, time skips, that whole war stuff was meh) but it was pretty damn close. Maquia really grew on me as a character. Her crying at the end was so damn heart-breaking. I think this would have been better as a 12-episode series but overall, I'm still gonna rate this 10/10 |
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| I feel really bad for Medmel. She didn't even have a scene in the epilogue (I doubt the red-haired girl in the post-credit image is her). |
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carnilino said: I didn’t really get what happened when Maquia was kidnapped. I suppose it was one of the other kingdoms and when Krim came to get her he made some deal with that kindgom to attack Mezarte and free Maquia. But what i dont understand is why would the kinnappers just get her, throw her in a cell and do nothing with her? I might be wrong but I thought Krim was the one who kidnapped Maquia for whatever reason he has, brought her and detained her in another country, asked for the other country's support to invade Mezarte since they're already at their lowest after losing most of their Renatos, while using that as an advantage to try and sneak in the castle to get Leila again. At first I thought the reason why he did all those was him wanting to be reunited with his former lover and old friend even to the point of forcing them to come along with him but that idea became kinda contradictory after us seeing Krim and Maquia riding on a horse to get to the castle, horse gets shot by a stray bullet and both fell off and then we see Krim just abandoning Maquia, prioritizing to get to get where Leila is quickly instead of helping his friend get up or forcefully drag/pull Maquia to his destination. |
| This movie was pretty good, at least for me. The visuals are amazing, some of the shots could be used as a background. The part where it showed a flashback of maquia rasing ariel was pretty emotional. At the part where there was a war, I was worried that ariel would die, but I’m glad that he stayed alive. But there’s one thing that bothered me: what happened to the other iorphs? |
LeonhartAugustNov 11, 2018 9:18 PM
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DepravedMagi said: But there’s one thing that bothered me: what happened to the other iorphs? Nothing, it seems they only took Leilia Their elder was implied to have died off screen, Kirim leads some of the Iorps to try and rescue Leilia and lastly well we know what happened to Maquia coz the POV focuses on her |
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