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May 8, 2018 3:59 AM

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EcchiGodMamsterP said:

wow.. you're funny

there is no evidence that showing incest on TV, at least in a cartoon, is going cause any sort of issue in real life

its the:

"violent video games turn people into criminals"

"loli turns people into pedophiles"

type argument

which are bullshit


But saying anime/manga has never influenced people in a bad way is also wrong

"...Nagai’s Harenchi Gakuen led to an outburst over it’s raunchy gags to the point where ‘skirt flipping’ became a fad amongst elementary school children. Newspapers started printing critical pieces and Nagai was sought after to appear on TV shows to argue his case. Upon arriving at the studio, there were rows of school teachers and PTA members who called his work a public nuisance and really didn’t listen to his arguments"

https://yonkouprod.com/the-history-weekly-shonen-jump/

See how an ecchi manga made kids comfortable with the act of sexual harassment.
May 8, 2018 4:26 AM

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If being disgusted by would be a vailid reason not to do something, then this topic would not exists.
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May 8, 2018 5:31 AM

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Arimias said:
Despite the fact that incest and any sort of sexual relationship with a family member in anime is VERY unrealistic in comparison to the real world.

You answered your own question with your first line.

It's appealing BECAUSE it's unrealistic - it's something different and refreshing.
The thought that love conquers all - even societal taboos - is romantic.

We want what we can't have. Anime makes the impossible possible.
If you're going to make a work of fiction, it's pointless constrain it within the bounds of reality - that would just limit its potential.

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Why not? It's to pander to a certain audience. It's a niche within the medium.
May 8, 2018 8:08 AM
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SuperRed said:
EcchiGodMamsterP said:

wow.. you're funny

there is no evidence that showing incest on TV, at least in a cartoon, is going cause any sort of issue in real life

its the:

"violent video games turn people into criminals"

"loli turns people into pedophiles"

type argument

which are bullshit


But saying anime/manga has never influenced people in a bad way is also wrong

"...Nagai’s Harenchi Gakuen led to an outburst over it’s raunchy gags to the point where ‘skirt flipping’ became a fad amongst elementary school children. Newspapers started printing critical pieces and Nagai was sought after to appear on TV shows to argue his case. Upon arriving at the studio, there were rows of school teachers and PTA members who called his work a public nuisance and really didn’t listen to his arguments"

https://yonkouprod.com/the-history-weekly-shonen-jump/

See how an ecchi manga made kids comfortable with the act of sexual harassment.


Those are children though, absolutely anything can influence a child, that's not the animes fault
May 8, 2018 8:11 AM
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Irregular at magic high school ..damn what an incest it is..
May 8, 2018 8:12 AM

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I have sisters too, but I would never fantasize any romantic relationship with her, but I like incest in anime. Maybe I'm not one of them that would "insert myself" into the anime, even though people often said those incest anime is for people to "insert themselves" into it.

To be honest I never have the feeling that incest is anything disgusting. It's just developing another dimension of intimacy with already bonded people. It's forbidden, but it's still built on love, and it's not hurting any people like violence, so I'm fine with it. Whenever I see news that people get arrested for incestuous relationship I feel pity for them. They love each other, let them do want they want as long as they are not making babies.

May 8, 2018 8:24 AM

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SuperRed said:
EcchiGodMamsterP said:

wow.. you're funny

there is no evidence that showing incest on TV, at least in a cartoon, is going cause any sort of issue in real life

its the:

"violent video games turn people into criminals"

"loli turns people into pedophiles"

type argument

which are bullshit


But saying anime/manga has never influenced people in a bad way is also wrong

"...Nagai’s Harenchi Gakuen led to an outburst over it’s raunchy gags to the point where ‘skirt flipping’ became a fad amongst elementary school children. Newspapers started printing critical pieces and Nagai was sought after to appear on TV shows to argue his case. Upon arriving at the studio, there were rows of school teachers and PTA members who called his work a public nuisance and really didn’t listen to his arguments"

https://yonkouprod.com/the-history-weekly-shonen-jump/

See how an ecchi manga made kids comfortable with the act of sexual harassment.


It's the reverse. Skirt flipping appear in anime because they are a thing in real life before anime is a thing. At least from where I live, naughty primary student, usually boys, like to flip skirts. They attack each other's genitals too. I don't think these actions are taught by anyone. (Actually those are usually taught by other students, and cultures would stay in school forever because kids imitate each others)

But it's not impossible that they learn how to harass people through manga. Kids like to do things that people tell them not to do but they consider harmless. Sexual Harassment is never a concern for them because they are to young to know what is right and wrong. That's why parents and teacher have to control the exposure of those mentally immature. It's not the children or the manga fault, they can learn the same thing through variety shows, newspaper or video games. (or just observing behviour of adults)
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May 8, 2018 8:51 AM

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Arimias said:
Despite the fact that incest and any sort of sexual relationship with a family member in anime is VERY unrealistic in comparison to the real world, I don't understand the appeal in it at all. I have a younger sister and her and I share a pretty good sibling relationship, and we get along all the time. The thought of sexually thinking of her makes me sick to the stomach. It's disgusting, and I don't understand why it's popular in some anime.

What are your takes on incest? Do you think it's okay for it to be in anime, or not?

"I have a younger sister and her and I share a pretty good sibling relationship, and we get along all the time. The thought of sexually thinking of her"
This, is where you're wrong.
Some people able to separate fiction from reality completely especially in regards to this kind of thing.
I, for one, see incest as just character dynamic.
I like incest in anime.
I have brother and just like you, we get along pretty well, still sleep in the same bed together sometimes. We are pretty close.
And JUST LIKE YOU, the thought of sexually thinking of him DISGUST me so bad like, it's unthinkable. AT ALL.

However in anime, I see them as merely a character, and not person.
I'll take an example. Shiba Tatsuya and Shiba Miyuki. I like them NOT BECAUSE they are siblings, but because I love their dynamic.
If I don't like their dynamic, I'd hate it regardless of incest or not.
The incest part only add to the "forbidden love" quality of it. Something taboo. Something that I like to explore in fiction since it's not acceptable in reality.
Liking incest doesn't make me think about my siblings romantically.

So yeah.
Thinking about my brother sexually IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING.
Thinking about Shiba Tatsuya and Shiba Miyuki having sex is not.

And no, I don't enjoy Oreimo
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When it becomes the focus of a character and/or a series, it gets me pretty damn annoyed. Doing it for the comedy was funny at first, but now it's just a stale meme lmao

Kara no Kyoukai is one of my favorite series of all time, but I hated the 6th movie because it focused on a character whose only purpose was "I wanna fuck my Onii-chan"

Monogatari does it for the comedy and IMO pulls it off pretty well, but some of the scenes are extremely questionable (aka Tsukimonogatari and Nisemonogatari)
May 8, 2018 10:28 AM

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Well, incest in anime is _of course_ not okey. Not in the way it's usually portrayed.
Some people might say "shame on you Japan!". But it's really an author delivering a "message" a horrible one indeed. I'm more disappointed with the reception from the people supporting that author.
I know (and it's understandable) that some people might say "it's just a fiction blah blah blah", but what about the children?....
And here's an example about the author of Oreimo, who's no longer on speaking terms with sister it's hilarious, you should check it.

However, in hentai : It will be a totally different conversation. I hope by saying "anime" you didn't mean hentai as well. And that will be all. x)
May 8, 2018 11:45 AM

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greymood said:
Leaving anime fetish aside for a bit, you're being a damn ass adressing the issue


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May 8, 2018 12:16 PM

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Incest is Wincest, if you can't understand this simple premise then it merely isn't for you.
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May 8, 2018 2:50 PM

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james501 said:
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Incest in anime and incest in real life are 2 separate things.


It is still depiction and fetishization.


Like I said-they're 2 separate things. One is imaginary and the other can put you behind bars for a couple of years.
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May 8, 2018 2:51 PM

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Arimias said:
Despite the fact that incest and any sort of sexual relationship with a family member in anime is VERY unrealistic in comparison to the real world, I don't understand the appeal in it at all. I have a younger sister and her and I share a pretty good sibling relationship, and we get along all the time. The thought of sexually thinking of her makes me sick to the stomach. It's disgusting, and I don't understand why it's popular in some anime.

What are your takes on incest? Do you think it's okay for it to be in anime, or not?


The key is to not sexualize your own family members. Breaking taboos is pretty hot to me, but I never associate fictional taboo-breaking with my own family. It's fictional incest between fictional characters, even if you imagine yourself as one of the characters, the other characters still aren't your family members. Think "I wish i was that chicks brother, I'd love to bang her" not "That's hot, I want to bang MY sister like he did"
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Incest is degenerate and people who enjoy incest anime are degenerate. The anime industry should stop promoting such degenerate behaviors and start producing more quality works.
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May 8, 2018 8:54 PM

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Psyotic said:
Incest is degenerate and people who enjoy incest anime are degenerate. The anime industry should stop promoting such degenerate behaviors and start producing more quality works.
you have dead animals as a location. more like people need to stop acting like babies with high sense of moralities.
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Botan-Chan45 said:
you have dead animals as a location.

Why yes I do. What an excellent observation of yours.

more like people need to stop acting like babies with high sense of moralities.


I don't think you really need to have a high sense of morality to realize that incest is wrong.
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Psyotic said:
Botan-Chan45 said:
you have dead animals as a location.

Why yes I do. What an excellent observation of yours.

more like people need to stop acting like babies with high sense of moralities.


I don't think you really need to have a high sense of morality to realize that incest is wrong.
Pretty sure people here have better arguments than you. But at least your not feminist fangirls.(laugh track)*trash meme inserts*
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EcchiGodMamsterP said:
SuperRed said:


But saying anime/manga has never influenced people in a bad way is also wrong

"...Nagai’s Harenchi Gakuen led to an outburst over it’s raunchy gags to the point where ‘skirt flipping’ became a fad amongst elementary school children. Newspapers started printing critical pieces and Nagai was sought after to appear on TV shows to argue his case. Upon arriving at the studio, there were rows of school teachers and PTA members who called his work a public nuisance and really didn’t listen to his arguments"

https://yonkouprod.com/the-history-weekly-shonen-jump/

See how an ecchi manga made kids comfortable with the act of sexual harassment.


Those are children though, absolutely anything can influence a child, that's not the animes fault
agreed. Children would kill a cat and wouldn't give a shit if told to.
Yeah right there is no way a doujin about vomit exists.
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Ashita no Joe and Megalo box are disappointing anime.
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The key is to not sexualize your own family members. Breaking taboos is pretty hot to me, but I never associate fictional taboo-breaking with my own family. It's fictional incest between fictional characters, even if you imagine yourself as one of the characters, the other characters still aren't your family members. Think "I wish i was that chicks brother, I'd love to bang her" not "That's hot, I want to bang MY sister like he did"


How can I NOT think about family members though with the subject of incest? Even if I imagined I was in the character's shoes, the fact still remains I'd be in a relationship with my fictional, biological sister. I just don't find the appeal in it.

"I wish i was that chicks brother, I'd love to bang her"


If I wanted to bang her, I would not think to myself "oh boy, I wish I was her brother!"
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Botan-Chan45 said:
Pretty sure people here have better arguments than you.


Do you really need me to provide an argument on why incest is bad?
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Psyotic said:
Botan-Chan45 said:
Pretty sure people here have better arguments than you.


Do you really need me to provide an argument on why incest is bad?
Other than a biological argument, really not much than that. Just eww or the norms in society. Just like how marijuana used to be accepted until the FBI banned and made it a boogeyman drug.(Other drugs too,)
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Botan-Chan45 said:
Other than a biological argument, really not much than that. Just eww or the norms in society. Just like how marijuana used to be accepted until the FBI banned and made it a boogeyman drug.(Other drugs too,)


You're assuming that societal norms are purely arbitrary and that they don't exist because they provide an overall benefit to society. You already seem to accept the fact that incest is detrimental to the gene pool, which in and of itself seems like a perfectly valid reason incest to be a strong societal taboo.
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Psyotic said:
Botan-Chan45 said:
Other than a biological argument, really not much than that. Just eww or the norms in society. Just like how marijuana used to be accepted until the FBI banned and made it a boogeyman drug.(Other drugs too,)


You're assuming that societal norms are purely arbitrary and that they don't exist because they provide an overall benefit to society. You already seem to accept the fact that incest is detrimental to the gene pool, which in and of itself seems like a perfectly valid reason incest to be a strong societal taboo.
You can use the gene argument in another sense that some people carry hereditary disease. So should disgust be shoved on those people too?
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It's anime... In terms of anime. it's fake. Although you can't really say "incest isn't really a realistic thing.." Because even in real life there are incest.

If you don't like incest skip that part or don't watch that series. I know it does suck because there's many series that have that. Incest in anime has been around for a very long time. It's also a fetish thing. Just like wanting to be a (or is one) masochist, sadist, etc etc. People enjoy those kind of content out of pleasure/ fetish-ness (probably not a word but oh well). Even though they themselves can't do it, they can "get off" of on it or something. Japanese anime "fans" are probably those sort of people. NOT ALL OF THEM. But majority.

Fans will enjoy what they personally want. Sometimes it's just not something that can be explain sometimes.

Just my opinion.
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Botan-Chan45 said:
You can use the gene argument in another sense that some people carry hereditary disease. So should disgust be shoved on those people too?


Inherently, no. Such people do not have control over the fact that they were born with a genetically debilitating hereditary disease. People who engage in incest, however, chose to do so. Likewise, it should follow that I dislike the notion that people who do have genetic defects be allowed to have kids.

Of course, that is assuming that genetics degradation is the only argument against incest. There's also the risk of emotional abuse as one sibling could be manipulating or grooming the other, the breakdown in familial ties, etc. The fact that almost universally, in every culture incest is frowned upon and there are only a handful of subject matters for which this can be said.
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It's anime... In terms of anime. it's fake. Although you can't really say "incest isn't really a realistic thing.." Because even in real life there are incest.


I never said this. I said it was very unrealistic how the anime world portrays it in comparison to the real world in my first sentence.
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Arimias said:
Apa-Sensei said:
It's anime... In terms of anime. it's fake. Although you can't really say "incest isn't really a realistic thing.." Because even in real life there are incest.


I never said this. I said it was very unrealistic how the anime world portrays it in comparison to the real world in my first sentence.


Oh, my bad! I take that back. Must have mis-read. I apologize for that. But other stuff still stands.
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Oh, my bad! I take that back. Must have mis-read. I apologize for that. But other stuff still stands.


No problem, and I respect that opinion. I just don't see the appeal in it from any view point, personally.
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I love insest but I don't have a sister. That's why I watch anime.
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I find it's awkward, lmao.
I have brother, and I can't think of him that way. I avoid any incest heavy theme anime or manga.
Most of the potrayal isn't good after all, like a sister is all over the brother or the opposite. I just want a normal potrayal of siblings in anime, man...
I think I read good incest manga tho, but they aren't blood related and I forget the title.
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Personally, I have a sister, and I have never fantasized about sex with her (that I remember). I have, though, watched plenty of incest porn. Among my fetishes this is one of the least offensive. In anime I DI often get squicked out by incest - e.g., Shizuku from Chivalry of a Failed Knight) does make me slightly uncomfortable. But I am growing more comfortable with it.

I agree with what several people have said (@TheBigGuy, @Padoru_Padoruuu, @Lord_Sithis, @Botan-Chan45): There is nothing morally wrong with consensual incest, even in real life, as long as you don't have children from it. Whom consenting adults choose to have sex with is none of your business. And even if you DO have incest-babies, the only argument against it is a eugenic one, and then you are on very shaky ground.

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But then I would ask why older mothers (as in 40 or so years old), who also have a higher chance of generating birth defects, aren't publicly shamed as well.

A 40-year old mother and a girl having a baby through incest isn't a good comparison. Because of how women age, it's not good to have a child when they reach midlife. That's not a choice they make, that's just biology. A women/teenager having a baby through incest KNOW that the possibility of a child having a birth defect is high, but yet, they still choose to do it.

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You can use the gene argument in another sense that some people carry hereditary disease. So should disgust be shoved on those people too?

Inherently, no. Such people do not have control over the fact that they were born with a genetically debilitating hereditary disease. People who engage in incest, however, chose to do so. Likewise, it should follow that I dislike the notion that people who do have genetic defects be allowed to have kids.

I don't get these counterarguments. If a woman wants to have a child after 40, that is a choice. If a person with a hereditary disease wants to have a child, that is a choice.

Apparently you guys are saying "having children is a universal right, but choosing your partner is not". Do you have anything to base this on, or is it purely an axiom?

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Of course, that is assuming that genetics degradation is the only argument against incest. There's also the risk of emotional abuse as one sibling could be manipulating or grooming the other, the breakdown in familial ties, etc.

Do you have any evidence that this risk is greater in incestuous relationships than other relationships?

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The fact that almost universally, in every culture incest is frowned upon and there are only a handful of subject matters for which this can be said.

This argument is feeble. Until fairly recently, homosexuality was nigh-universally condemned. Conversely, there is plenty of historical precedent for incest (mostly in royal families I believe).

Most people throughout history have been wrong about lots of things. Most people today are still wrong about a lot of things. I think that many if not most things I believe are wrong or arguably wrong. "Many people agree on this" is not a solid argument.

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Well, incest in anime is _of course_ not okey. Not in the way it's usually portrayed.
[...]
However, in hentai : It will be a totally different conversation. I hope by saying "anime" you didn't mean hentai as well. And that will be all. x)

I don't get this. Why is something OK in a pornographic context but not in other contexts?
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Botan-Chan45 said:
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Those are children though, absolutely anything can influence a child, that's not the animes fault
agreed. Children would kill a cat and wouldn't give a shit if told to.


well...that depends on the kids... as does this scenario lol... but yea i mean.. lots of children kill animals simply cause they can't understand that animals are also living things with emotions and play their essential part in the ecosystem etc

but its not like every kid was going around flipping skirts, these kids in his example are really just being kids, this doesnt mean theyre going to grow up to be true criminals, lots of people did dumb shit like that when they were little and later realized it was wrong when they were older
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SpectrumDT said:
Psyotic said:
The fact that almost universally, in every culture incest is frowned upon and there are only a handful of subject matters for which this can be said.

This argument is feeble. Until fairly recently, homosexuality was nigh-universally condemned. Conversely, there is plenty of historical precedent for incest (mostly in royal families I believe).


Why are you comparing this two I don't know.

1. Incest is a particular attraction to a family member, while homosexuality is an orientation. Denying the unhealthy attraction to particular family members is justifiable because of the billions of other options out there. Denying a homosexual (who cannot feel contently in love with the opposite sex) their orientation is cruel because it denies them not only of a particular interest, but their entire life of love.

2. If people are not convinced by the argument, a.k.a saying incestual reproduction can be avoided through protection - Incest disrupts relationships between child and sibling, or child and parent, while homosexuality involves two distinct individuals.
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SpectrumDT said:

This argument is feeble. Until fairly recently, homosexuality was nigh-universally condemned. Conversely, there is plenty of historical precedent for incest (mostly in royal families I believe).


Why are you comparing this two I don't know.

1. Incest is a particular attraction to a family member, while homosexuality is an orientation. Denying the unhealthy attraction to particular family members is justifiable because of the billions of other options out there. Denying a homosexual (who cannot feel contently in love with the opposite sex) their orientation is cruel because it denies them not only of a particular interest, but their entire life of love.

2. If people are not convinced by the argument, a.k.a saying incestual reproduction can be avoided through protection - Incest disrupts relationships between child and sibling, or child and parent, while homosexuality involves two distinct individuals.
This is a very obvious double standard.
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anime isnt real so watching incest stuff just grosses me out in a funny dumb yet innocent way
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alias08 said:
SpectrumDT said:

This argument is feeble. Until fairly recently, homosexuality was nigh-universally condemned. Conversely, there is plenty of historical precedent for incest (mostly in royal families I believe).


Why are you comparing this two I don't know.

I did not mean to say that homosexuality and incest are the same; in this case I merely wanted to show that this particular argument (brough up here by Psyotic and also mentioned by others) is invalid.

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1. Incest is a particular attraction to a family member, while homosexuality is an orientation. Denying the unhealthy attraction to particular family members is justifiable because of the billions of other options out there. Denying a homosexual (who cannot feel contently in love with the opposite sex) their orientation is cruel because it denies them not only of a particular interest, but their entire life of love.

Homophobia is WORSE than the condemnation of incest. I agree with you that far.

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2. If people are not convinced by the argument, a.k.a saying incestual reproduction can be avoided through protection - Incest disrupts relationships between child and sibling, or child and parent, while homosexuality involves two distinct individuals.

Many things can disrupt a relationship. By that token, should romances between friends also be forbidden, since it might potentially ruin a friendship?
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I hate it when I see it in anime and immediately downvote it. Incest is a perversion. You cannot declare love towards your sibling and wish her\him to become perverts and dump their hope for a healthy family.
May 9, 2018 11:43 AM
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I never got the appeal because it's not really a taboo thing to me.
It's not my thing, but my moral don't really condemn that kind of stuff.
May 9, 2018 12:26 PM

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I don't get these counterarguments. If a woman wants to have a child after 40, that is a choice. If a person with a hereditary disease wants to have a child, that is a choice.

Apparently you guys are saying "having children is a universal right, but choosing your partner is not". Do you have anything to base this on, or is it purely an axiom?


When did I say having a child was a universal right? Having a child is a choice, engaging incest is a choice. I do not want incest and I do not people with genetic defects to have kids. I don't really know what's not to get.

Do you have any evidence that this risk is greater in incestuous relationships than other relationships?


Breakdown in familial ties should be fairly self-explanatory. At most I could bring up some case studies. Consider it to be like two co-workers engaging in a sexual relationship, but now with a much more sensitive context. In regards to manipulation in grooming, this specifically applies to children, with whom engaging in sexual acts is abusive inherently.

This argument is feeble. Until fairly recently, homosexuality was nigh-universally condemned. Conversely, there is plenty of historical precedent for incest (mostly in royal families I believe).


Except we don't analyze the cultural norms of the past based on the ruling elite. And in such cases, the results exemplify why incest is wrong. The notion that homosexuality was condemned across cultures has largely been debunked, whereas the notion that incest has always been condemned is supported. Additionally, incest is rarely found among animals and plants.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animals-and-us/201210/the-problem-incest

Most people throughout history have been wrong about lots of things. Most people today are still wrong about a lot of things. I think that many if not most things I believe are wrong or arguably wrong.


Then show why that applies to incest then.


"Many people agree on this" is not a solid argument.


My argument wasn't "many people think this to be true, therefore it is", my argument was that many people think this is true, here is why they think this, therefore those reasons must be incredibly compelling and important to have such a prodigious affect.


People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol
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It's simple. In anime, if there's a cute and sexy girl, that's what matters most. Context comes last.
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Oooooh incest inside a cartoon...
Who cares to be honest.

The only moment when it matters is when you're having sexual intercourses with your actual sister.
And even then it only matters if you want a child.

People fall in love and marry stupid things already such as cartboard cutouts and in France you can marry people who've died if you were already engaged.

I don't get why you can't be in a relationship with someone you've had a really close relationship with for a big part of your life. I wouldn't judge you.

Though, it's probably weird for everyone else in your family but they shouldn't judge either.
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As disturbing, gross and so very wrong as it is, I still watch it as long as it has a good story.
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In my view (explaining it all with reasons):
reproduction is 1/3 important in our lives. (surviving,reproducing,eating)
So sex had a big place in our lives till we humans started to improve.
When we evolved , the significance of reproduction got lowered because we started to have more variety of priorities and life styles (improvements). But the effect of sexual priority made us think about it and try to understand it which made pornography an art understanding and an entertaintment. As we humans started to create cities, natural selection got uneffective so that low quality and good quality people lived together. Without evolving. That kept alive the 'low quality' ('less aware') people alive till our time. Awareness of a community is a rich effect of making an art type popular and effective. People with low awareness queries life (and what he watches) less which makes his priorities less varieted and that makes them to live and act more basic (like unaware by their acts). Theese type of people who did'nt try to improve their selves' art and entertaintment understanding would be basic. Incest is just one of them. Variated by time.
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Absolutely degenerate stuff.

What else is there to say?
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I just view the whole nii-chan/nee-chan thing similarly to the whole daddy/baby thing, and it doesn't disgust me.

It is annoying the way anime handles it though, and it puts newcomers off of watching anime, which is a shame.

The only anime with incest in it that I didn't find annoying was Ouran, Koi Kaze and Yosuga no Sora.

In Ouran, I found the gag funny.
In Yosuga and Koi Kaze, they both handled it pretty well and I wasn't offended. They acknowledged how taboo and difficult it would be to fall in love with your sibling, and didn't sugar-coat it like other shows do.
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people who don't have siblings like that shit people with siblings think its disgusting. As long as there are people without siblings the appeal of this will still stay.
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