Kantai Collection: KanColle Episode 1 Discussion

TripleSRank said:
Except nobody has bothered to point out why the negative feedback is unsubstantiated, which is what I've been trying to get at from the start. They could show that the criticisms have no basis or just ignore them, but instead they're attacking the credibility of those commenting.

Pangeaa said:
This could be the worst shit I've seen in a while.

TripleSRank said:
I guess what I'm trying to get at is that there's never a good excuse for the story to be bad, both for me and for many others. Saying you should expect the story to be bad doesn't make it any less bad, and you shouldn't "judge a book by its cover" and assume a story will be bad for superficial reasons. I personally felt that this had story potential (and still does, though I now think it's less likely to live up to it) due to the WWII and combat aspects, even if it is a game adaption with moe designs. That doesn't make me or anyone "retarded", "ignorant", a "newfag", or a "hater" if I/they said it's bad after seeing this episode.

TripleSRank said:
And no, calling the anime bad isn't an insult to anyone. You can think the show is bad and still enjoy it, or think the show is good and not enjoy it. For example's sake, if I love Pizza Hut pizza, and someone else who likes pizza tells me Pizza Hut pizza is terrible because it has way too many calories, that doesn't (and shouldn't) make me assume they're insulting me for continuing to like Pizza Hut pizza. I might even agree that Pizza Hut pizza is bad, but still continue to enjoy the taste.

icanhazqnime said:
I was hoping to see what's meant to be so special about the MC

icanhazqnime said:
Was kinda average until it got to the battle part. I was hoping to see what's meant to be so special about the MC

icanhazqnime said:
As others have commented, it's a bit like Strike Witches 2.0: Boat Edition. I don't think of that as a bad thing, I liked Strike Witches.

Was kinda average until it got to the battle part. I was hoping to see what's meant to be so special about the MC (Haven't played the game, don't really want to learn Japanese just to do so).

Will return next week for more "Yuri Navy!"

Actar said:

Yes, responding to comments like


seems to be a great use of one's time. We could ask questions like "Why you you think so?", but the majority won't even come back to the forum to read our responses.

Actar said:

Okay, the thing is, depending on the anime, judging it based on the quality of the "story" in the traditional sense of a narrative is unfair in and of itself. This is because there are anime genres like Slice of Life, Comedy, Ecchi, etc... that, more often than not, do not contain traditional narratives and should be judged based on other aspects like quality of humor, fanservice and so on. Sure, everyone is entitled to their own opinions on what they find 'good' and 'bad' (be sure to state your criteria), but that way is not the ONLY way. People tend to forget that. Looking away from anime for a second, would one consider the Mr. Bean comedy series to be good? It sure doesn't have a complex plot of deep characterization, but it is funny as hell. Is that good, quality entertainment? I'd say yes. And so would millions of people worldwide. The acting and comedic timing is great and so is the writing. Yes, some might find it completely and utterly boring and insipid, but that's again just another opinion and not the fault of the work itself. I just want people to be aware of that.

Actar said:

Communication isn't only about one's message, but how it's interpreted by the receiving party as well. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naleynXS7yo) Even if it doesn't or shouldn't make others feel insulted, the reality of the situation is that people do take things personally due to their emotional attachment to the show. An example thought process is: "Person X says that Show A is bad. I enjoy Show A, therefore I have bad taste". I commend you on having the ability to remove yourself from the situation, and not everyone is like that. I tend to err on the side of caution when I make statements that can potentially incite the rage of others.

MateusGott said:
Worst anime of the season rather easily.
Dropped

SolviteWoTaberu said:
>expecting kancolle to sell better than kuroko no basket.

TripleSRank said:

You're cherry picking. The majority of negative comments gave reasons for why they thought the show was bad.

Edit: I have free time, so I figured I'd read through the thread in detail to make my point absolutely clear. Of the posts in this thread up until this point (including MateusGott's "lovely" post on the next page) that included a good amount of criticism or negativity:

>31 posts gave reasons for the criticism/negativity toward the show or aspect they didn't like.
>Of the 31 posts that gave reasons, only 2 actually bashed the show.
>19 posts gave no reasons or were vague about the reasons for the criticism/negativity.
>Of the 19 posts, only 5 were outright bashing, of which the post you quoted is one.

This means 38% of the criticism/negativity in this thread had no foundation, and 10% of the negativity was foundationless bashing/crap.

But wait! There's more!

The fans mostly started complaining about the negativity on page 8, which is when I started responding to them. What were the stats at that point, I wonder?

>15 posts gave reasons for the criticism/negativity toward the show or aspect they didn't like.
>Of the 15 posts that gave reasons, no posts actually bashed the show.
>7 posts gave no reasons or were vague about the reasons for the criticism/negativity.
>Of the 7 posts, only 1 was outright bashing.

This means that at the time the fans started whining, 31.8% (less than a third!) of the criticism/negativity in this thread had no foundation, and 4.5% of the negativity was foundationless bashing/crap.

So please, don't pretend the post you quoted is actually indicative of the overall quality of critical responses in this thread.



You're contradicting your own message here. If everyone is entitled to their opinion of what they find good and bad, then you have no right to call someone out for expressing their opinion that something is bad just because you don't agree with the way they judge anime. To do so is hypocritical. You're acting like the people who are expressing negativity are trying to force you to change your opinion or leave, when the opposite is what is actually happening here.

Saying "it's just your opinion" changes absolutely nothing. If those who express a negative opinion are factually wrong, then so are those who express a positive one. After all, it's not the show's fault you enjoyed it, by your logic.



Read the italicized portion again. If they're feeling insulted by association, that's their own fault. Being insecure about their own taste is their own fault. You expect everyone to stay mute for a few people that can't handle contradictory opinions?

"Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, and they always stink."

So in essence you either have to refrain from discussion or get used to the stench. It might sound harsh, but discussion by nature requires opinions, and people who need to be babied for a sense of security are going to be hard pressed to have any kind of dialogue with others.

We're not at a social gathering, where politeness is most important. We're at a forum, where actual discussion and dialogue is meant to take place.

ffleader1 said:
I can say that this anime is going to receive lots of low-score votes. To many people, this is probably just another meaningless show with a bunch of girls.

FlamingMangos said:
Opinions isn't like armpits at all... thats a bad comparsion. They don't always stink because they're you