SuperRed said: TripleSRank said: >Usagi is a mary sue. I'm not sure if a statement that dumb is worth devoting paragraphs to, especially when other people are making similarly dumb claims like Hana being a mary sue. Even Sawako. This term needs to die. Virtually nobody uses it properly anymore. What do you think about this person's particular list? http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-206333/who-is-the-biggest-mary-sue?pg=3#30854165 I think this person would describe me as a Gary Stu too, since by that list everything and everyone is a Mary Sue. Of the ones I'm familiar with Bella Swan is the only one I'd probably agree with. |
TripleSRank said: SuperRed said: What do you think about this person's particular list? http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-206333/who-is-the-biggest-mary-sue?pg=3#30854165 I think this person would describe me as a Gary Stu too, since by that list everything and everyone is a Mary Sue. Of the ones I'm familiar with Bella Swan is the only one I'd probably agree with. Lol Twilight. Uh, most of the anime on that list doesn't remotely adhere. The rest of the non-anime stuff is out of my medium. |
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| I have a pet theory about this. An idealized proper woman in Japan is different from the western version, and as such Japanese Mary Sues would have different characteristics and character from western ones. So, they do exist, it's just that we don't perceive them as Mary Sues. ETA: Popularity? Special skills? Being a chosen one? These are all just warning signs, and not the core of the problem. A Mary Sue can get all of these any time she wants to, but it does not define her. Personality? Do you know the difference between a Mary Sue and a wish-fulfillment character? Mary Sue is author's self-insert, and she has author's personality. A proper wish-fulfillment character is the audience's self-insert, and deliberately does not have much personality apart from being similar to target audience, but cool. A Mary Sue is a character that is liked by the author to the point of hurting the story. Such characters don't get adapted to anime unless the creative process was particularly unusual. Don't agree fully here. A character being a self insert is just another warning sign, nothing more. What does make Mary Sue a Mary Sue, is lack of consequences for their actions. Them surviving impossible events, remaining or becoming popular despite them acting as dicks, the rules of the universe bending, just so that character doesn't have to suffer... all of that comes from the author not wanting them to suffer the consequences. |
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MortalMelancholy said: TripleSRank said: I think this person would describe me as a Gary Stu too, since by that list everything and everyone is a Mary Sue. Of the ones I'm familiar with Bella Swan is the only one I'd probably agree with. Lol Twilight. Uh, most of the anime on that list doesn't remotely adhere. The rest of the non-anime stuff is out of my medium. Of the males, Superman and Wolverine are famous superheroes - really powerful, really cool, suffering from plot holes and different writers, and managing to stay interesting despite all that. Superman is straightforwardly heroic, and Wolverine is edgy as hell. They've been written decades ago (Superman first appeared in 1938), and stay famous to this day (so famous I have even seen some works where they are present!). Because they are not Mary Sues, just heroic characters, with flaws and everything. I am not as familiar with Jean Gray, Kim Possible and Katara. But in general, it seems that person just has no idea what a Mary Sue is. I mean, he has Orihime and Narusegawa in that list. |
| Most of the female lead anime in the last couple of seasons were Mary Sue |
| Aida Mana from Doki Doki! Pretty Cure is my favorite Mary Sue character. |
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| I guess Rishe from Loop 7-kaime can be considered a Mary Sue - actually I don't like this archetype in villainess genre'a - It's just boring, doesn't help when the ML is obvious from the first episode, so the rest of the guys are just there. [and it could have a good way to bring back reverse-harem, but only Katarina lives up to this] |
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