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Sep 12, 2016 8:29 PM
#151
I disagree with a lot of things about this, I'll address some of them 1) You expected WAY too much when the outcome of this fight was already obvious to begin with, it was never going to be an ideological battle from the start because Munakata was completely insane, besides an ideological talking battle from the beginning of the episode until the end would be pretty boring tbh 2)The fight was ok, it was nice to see Naegi taking charge for once, his plan worked and he managed to drag Munakata out for a conversation putting him in a situation where he couldn't escape, from them on the fight played like a class trial and of course, Naegi won The concepts of Hope and Despair are pretty well defined in the DR universe, I don't think they need any further clarification, Munakata has a radical view of hope and that was taken to the extreme due to what Tengan said and what he saw in the Yukizome's photos 3)Naegi was ready to cooperate with Munakata's idea of hope since episode 3, Munakata was the one being stubborn and insisting that Naegi's empty platitudes were an useless thing and he only got worse and more radical with each new episode, it as clear that he needed a wake up call to be reasoned with 4)I don't think you understood why Munakata screamed "You don't know" to Naegi, Munakata was obviously unconsciously acting up on the pain of being betrayed by his loved one so what Naegi said resonated with him and he recognized that he screwed up and was being unreasonable tl;dr - I don't agree with your points, you expected something entirely different to what was obviously going to happen and honestly you only have your own expectations to blame here[/quote] Ok that's fine let's see: 1) First it's this is very opnion based, I, at least, like ideological battles, it's ok if you don't. I wasn't expecting way to much like you said, I would just like something better than hearing Munakata repeating the same things he says every episode without brigging something new. 2)Never complained about the fight, in terms of the battle, I thought it was very good and realistic, giving that Naegi doesn't have any fighting experience besides his "luck" power, and I am not even complainig of luck being a totally natural thing in this universe. It's not about clarification, isn't what You and I are doing now, trying to prove a point? which one is the best sustained? Munakata simply doesn't try to do that. 3)I don't understand, I never said Naegi was against the idea of cooperating. 4)It seems weak, considering this guy was ready to kill him right now and there and suddendly just stop because of that, after all Tegan did say something similiar how he was capable of even killing the person he most loved and yet that didn't stoped him from being killed by Munakata Is kind of hard to be blamed by expectations, we all have expectations, I can't just throw them away, since I am always expecting something, wouldn't be unfair to say you should be blamed by your expectations to try to convince me that I was wrong? Also if it was too long and you didn't read why did you even bother to respond me? Isn't a little contradictory for you to respond me without reading all my opnions, for example I never complained about the things you wrote on 2) and 3). Last time I quoted you, you didn't respond me, probably it will happen again, either way thanks for discussing with me |
JustAMangaFanSep 12, 2016 10:29 PM
Sep 12, 2016 8:37 PM
#152
The culprit is Enoshima Junko :) |
Sep 12, 2016 8:37 PM
#153
Ryota's NG code is probably revealing his forbidden action to others. |
Sep 12, 2016 9:52 PM
#154
Rukoudiora said: TehSnawn said: Rukoudiora said: But there is clearly a contradiction by the deaths. ALL of them are clearly DEAD. You can ONLY argue Kirigiri's death but even then that's unlikely. If she's still alive, she'll appear in the end. But, if she's still alive, there's some kind of flaw there because if she knew how to bypass an NG code, surely she would've told everyone before the timer that "Don't worry! I'm not dead, I'll come back shortly" or maybe even tell everyone how to bypass their NG code. She can't be THAT selfish? Would she really risk Makoto or Hina dying from their NG code, yeah no. I think she didn't tell anyone because she wasn't sure if the Cure-W would work on her or not. So she is taking a huge gamble on it working. That's pretty much why she said she believes in Makoto and to move forward if the cure didn't work. Also, I'm pretty sure the Cure-W she found is the only one left or at least the only one in her possession. I think she is just relying on luck with the Cure-W than logic. We shall see though. Yeah, I guess there's that too, trying for the sake of trying. It would also be awfully convenient for her to wake up way later than others in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I love Kyoko and I'd be very happy for her to come back, but I also don't want it to be some sort of bullshit way or lazy writing, if you understand. but yeah, we'll see, a lot of things are going to go down in the next episode. I really hope there isn't an ass pull too. I'm hoping she is still alive but doesn't come back until everything is solved. For example, when everything is all said and done, they go to her body so they can give her a proper burial but realizes she's actually alive but is in a coma or barely hanging on or something. I don't want her to show up in the end to help stop the attacker. That's for sure. I'd be happy if she did, but at the same time I would be thinking "Damn, either that cure was really good or that poison fucking sucks". Unfortunately, this series has a lot of ass pulls and crazy swerves so anything is possible. The entirety of Danganronpa 2 was just filled with swerves. |
Sep 12, 2016 10:01 PM
#155
I really loved that the show finally remembered Makoto's observational skills from the games. It was a good way to show that Makoto can take action and didn't just convince Munakata with words. The reveal of Tengen's words was kind of underwhelming. It was incredible vague that it bordered on a non-answer. Unless what Kyoko discovered gives more light on this. Also almost certain Juzo is alive. His death was really short despite his status in the show, so I expect him to come back dying and he'll Munakata somehow before actually dying. |
Sep 12, 2016 10:04 PM
#156
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet...but did anyone notice the ending scene? These are the ships that were facing the island: This is what appears to be a ship moving in the opposite direction, away from the island: I checked multiple times and the boat is moving away from the island. Not sure if that's just how I interpreted it, but I think that the remnants of despair must have a great role in what has happened with the future foundation...particularly the ingenious, skilled person that could execute such a plan despite not being at the actual location: Izuru Kamakura. But...how could you organize such a game despite not being there? I think we have evidence that this is possible, since Monokuma really only appeared 'through video' in the beginning, and rarely appeared. Similarly, never actually physically appeared as a robot...Yet, we have Monaca who uses Miaya as a robot to participate in the game. I think what we have here, is a situation wehre Monaca basically fulfills the role of a Monokuma robot, basically, but the mastermind is monitoring her actions and making sure the game goes according to his plan. Which would explain why the robot had a list of all the NG codes of everyone. If people are wondering how Izuru is able to gain access to the Future Foundation building, and crack into the security, I believe the most likely candidate for cooperating with this plan would be Chisa since we have basically been confirmed that she is also a remnant of despair. She was used to execute the plan, yet she was killed, which I would actually kind of relate to how Junko murdered her sister. I believe she was killed in the beginning, because she had alternative goals of the game; she is tainted by despair but I believe her conversation with Naegi was genuine, and she might actually do whatever it takes for Munakata during the game, which is not something the mastermind wanted to happen since it would not go according to whatever plan he has in mind... These are just my random thoughts. EtoileSosso said: - Great Gozu was the second attacker's victim, why did they need to take such efforts to make this murder scene anyway ? His NG Code was getting pinned down to the ground for a three count. I think Great Gozu's murder scene is very important since it resembles Chisa's death or at least the way their corpse is arranged on the ceiling. Starting from Seiko, the way their body is handled and even the killing method has changed...which I think indicates a different person attacking these victims.. EtoileSosso said: - Based on what Tengan told Munakata, there are more than only one attacker, so what does attacker means in this context ? His NG Code was answering a question with a lie so we can't doubt what he said is true, however I don't think we should take what he said literally. He got killed by a mad Munakata. I think that what Tengan said can be interpreted both ways, and he is purposely vague. I can say this is true about Tengan because he was similarly talking about a 'plan' to Munakata, which Munakata questioned and asked if he meant the Kamakura Project, and Tengan replied 'yes there is that'. He could be implying more than one thing, and carefully says it in a way that can be interpreted this way since he cannot tell a lie. So he has to tell the "full truth"...or at least that's how I interpret it. I think what Tengan says has two meanings: the actual meaning is that every person in the future foundation is responsible for trying to kill people. They all are attackers, and they all are reasons for people's deaths. The way I interpret it is that the mastermind is one, or possibly, a group of remnants of despair, and the reason for these deaths can be attributed back to how they all tried to attack and capture the Remnants of despair. of course, he can be speaking literally too, so I think that what he might imply is that the attacker is actually members of Future Foundation where they are ultimately the actual cause of one another's death. EtoileSosso said: - Also, the last mystery is why Monokuma doesn't show himself as a robotic teddy bear like he did in the two previous games ? Is he too lazy or is there a reason ? I think this reason is, because the mastermind is actually not in the location and in a very far away island. He escaped the island to go to their location, I believe, but he must have arrived there at some point, I think it's after Monaca disappeared. Around the time Monaca disappeared, the deaths at night time, the method seemed to change...from the first two deaths, at least. They show the ship scene at the end of this episode, but they also showed that cut with Izuru on Jabberwock Island many episodes ago, which must have happened at some earlier point since Munakata sent those ships to the island before the Future Foundation even met up to discuss what to do with Naegi. |
EarlCielSep 12, 2016 10:10 PM
Sep 12, 2016 10:57 PM
#157
To finally consolidate my opnion, without trying create a giant text, there are so many flaws in Munakata's ideas that could have been exploited by Naegi just like a "bullet time battle", some of which are: -"where there is hope there is always the possibility of despair, and only where there is the possibility of despair can we respond with hope", proving that Munakata cannot destroy despair, simply because it's existence is related to hope. Naegi 1x 0 Munakata -" the only genuine hope is hope in what does not depend on ourselves, hope springing from humility and not from pride”, this attack Munakata directly, simply because it represents Naegi at his core personality and shows Munakata arrogance for believing only he could destroy despair. Naegi 2 x 0 Munakata -“Despair is possible in any form, at any moment and to any degree, and this betrayal may seem to be counseled, if not forced upon us, by the very structure of the world we live in” by saying this, Naegi totally debunks Munakata's logic of destroying despair, because it isn't just in any person, but is part of our reality. Naegi 3 x 0 Munakata That's how you beat him |
Sep 12, 2016 11:35 PM
#158
Really touching and interesting episode. With Munakata character development. Also the part with Chisa and the pictures is really f*cked up man... But then again she is in despair, so ...eh I really don't know what to feel about this episode other than. Detective knew who the person behind all of this, is... |
Sep 12, 2016 11:43 PM
#159
I felt so upset when Kyoko was killed and now that this episode is out it doesn't really tell if she's dead or alive. Though Asahina DID notice something strange with Kyoko's device thing. So, that could mean something (Forgot the name). There's also the question of how they found out who the killer is in that short amount of time while Naegi was fighting Munakata. Though it doesn't say how long it took for him to get there and how long they fought since he has to walk down the hallways. |
Sep 13, 2016 12:01 AM
#160
Sep 13, 2016 12:40 AM
#161
haukgwai said: Ryota's NG code is probably revealing his forbidden action to others. Probably something more important that if revealed would also breaks his NG code. Something arounds the line of "Revealing or letting somebody else reveal that the killer is X" where X is obviously the identity of the true killer. Would explain why he stuck all the time around of Kirigiri (since she was the only one doing the detective work) and why he his constantly disgusted about himself. |
Sep 13, 2016 1:04 AM
#162
I think Mitarai is the bad guy. He was acting extremely suspiciously throughout the episode. Imo he wanted to drive Naegi into despair with the whole ordeal. When he said "How can you just get over this so fast?", I could hear the desperation. It was as if Mitarai regretted falling to despair himself. Then we had the fight scene with Munakata and Mitarai said "How can he be so strong?". From the context it looked like he meant Munakata, but he's actually talking about Naegi. Kirigiri figured out how the game works, but she realized the best way to "kill" Mitarai was with hope, so she had to die to make Naegi stronger. Could it be that Mirai-hen is actually Mitarai's anime? |
D00meriksenSep 13, 2016 1:17 AM
Sep 13, 2016 1:58 AM
#163
Spinelplus said: The count is '6' in the beginning of the episode, though. So either Kyoko or Juzo is alive. I pray that Kyoko isn't dead. |
Sep 13, 2016 2:37 AM
#164
So 6 Survivor left even though there are 4 possible deaths in the last episode, which one is bluff tho? Naegi's Luck "activated" just after Munakata said he was running out of Luck, lol Looking at Chisa's Photograph... feels so wrong on many level :/ Double cliffhanger at the end.... and things doesn't look that bright either on Zetsubou-Hen, can't wait for next episode |
Sep 13, 2016 3:49 AM
#165
silverwalls said: nooo naegi don't cry ;____; i wonder if what tengan said means that the victims were brainwashed and then killed themselves.. that theory has been going for a while and it would make most sense. not sure what to make of the after credits scene tbh. It's more like the tragedy has tainted them with despair and they too have become despair without even realizing it. That's what Tengan meant. Did Hajime/Izuru just beat the shit out of that entire fleet without blowing them up and we didn't even get to see it like WTF. |
DarkwindJRSep 13, 2016 3:53 AM
Sep 13, 2016 3:51 AM
#166
silverwalls said: Which raises a bunch of new questions, like how and why the heck did the victims need to put themselves in a peculiar position before killing themselves? Well, Ruruka's case might be explainable because she could've decided to "punish" herself or maybe she's just Do-M lol but how about the other three? Like, Chisa was on the top of chandelier, Gozu was hung with wires, and Seiko was smashed onto the wall. Any explainations?i wonder if what tengan said means that the victims were brainwashed and then killed themselves.. that theory has been going for a while and it would make most sense. |
No seriously. |
Sep 13, 2016 3:59 AM
#168
D00meriksen said: I think Mitarai is the bad guy. He was acting extremely suspiciously throughout the episode. Imo he wanted to drive Naegi into despair with the whole ordeal. When he said "How can you just get over this so fast?", I could hear the desperation. It was as if Mitarai regretted falling to despair himself. Then we had the fight scene with Munakata and Mitarai said "How can he be so strong?". From the context it looked like he meant Munakata, but he's actually talking about Naegi. Kirigiri figured out how the game works, but she realized the best way to "kill" Mitarai was with hope, so she had to die to make Naegi stronger. Could it be that Mirai-hen is actually Mitarai's anime? I'm not going to claim that Mitarai must be a good guy, but he can't physically commit most of the murders. We have have been show several times how physically weak he is: were he the killer, he should have moved at least two barricades (one set up by Great Gozu and one set up by Aoi AFTER Mitarai and Naegi were shown to be unable to do the same even while working together) and then he had to put them back after the kill to manage the 2nd and 4th kill. Arguably he lacks even the strength to tie 1st and 2nd victims to the roof. |
Sep 13, 2016 5:37 AM
#169
I want Naegi to heal and fill me with hope too. |
Sep 13, 2016 5:43 AM
#170
DAMN I DOUBTED KIRIGIRI EVEN MORE NOW T^T Poor Naegi Monokuma's rule said if the time limit hits and nobody's dead.. The game really gonna be over. Asahina said "The killing is over!", right? Did she really found out the attacker? The lastest death combos are juuzo, andou, gekkogahara and kirigiri -- So there are possibilities between the lastest four victims, there is an "attacker" eyyyy |
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Sep 13, 2016 5:43 AM
#171
is it possible Mitarai NG Code is "together with a girl/female" or "not alone"? because he always together with other people + there's always at least one female character. from the first few episode he always with kirigiri, tengan, and kizakura. and when those 4 need to split up (if i remember correctly when kirigiri want to find and check another victim body), mitarai choose to go with kirigiri(correct me if i'm wrong). and after that mitarai meet with andou and then asahina. i never see him not with at least one female character. also there's 6 survivors based on this ep. opening when at ep. 9 there's 9 survivors so there's 1 "extra" and it's possibly excluding gekkougahara robot and including hagakure |
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Sep 13, 2016 5:58 AM
#172
Damn, that after ending scene... |
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Sep 13, 2016 6:14 AM
#173
Not even blazing katana can cut through that plot armor. Please let Chiaki be the mastermind.. even a 'not so dead Junko' is fine too, so I can end this series on a good note. And about everyone being the attacker, if Tengan meant it literally, then.. ha, called it. My current prediction about who killed who: - Juzo killed Chisa, because he already knew that she was a despair. - Robo Gekkogahara killed the Great Brozu and faked Asahina death because Monaca's a bitch. - Izayoi killed Seiko to protect Ruruka. - I'm not really sure about who killed Ruruka, since it's shown that much of a hatred could only be done by Seiko, who's already dead. |
cowoknakalSep 13, 2016 6:38 AM
Sep 13, 2016 6:32 AM
#174
God damn cliffhanger. I am really hating cliffhangers these days. Now we have to wait another week if it even gets to revealing the killing and not what is going to happen at the island (which I'm surprised we didn't see go through earlier, tbh). And I still hate Munakata. He keeps going on and on about trying to destroy despair and whatnot when he obviously isn't doing a good job at it. He even killed Juzo (which I enjoyed) for reasons I still don't know, and that was practically the closest person he ever had at the moment. |
Sep 13, 2016 6:50 AM
#175
Holy shit Naegi hope overrule this is so good! Getting Naegi hope"ed is WAY BETTER than get EGAOO'ed by Yuya. |
Sep 13, 2016 7:09 AM
#176
Sep 13, 2016 7:11 AM
#177
ShadowSarong said: That cliffhanger at the end... Naegi technically RAN away from munakata which is pretty you know since Naegi's forbidden action is running. it's in hallway he ran from Munakata in the room, that's why he could. Also when he threw that fire extinquisher to Munakata he was jumping so running was not counted |
Sep 13, 2016 7:33 AM
#178
Hmm... Does anyone know what "Dengeki EX" is? And how official is it? |
Sep 13, 2016 7:52 AM
#179
The fight between Munakata and Makoto didn't last wrong. Also Munakata's eye came back to normal, how convenient. So Chisa did rly become a despair, Nice work there Mukuro. The scene with the two pictures was nice and I found it funny "Who Did it?" "HO HO IT WAS ME" and Chisa laughing like crazy was funny. Not that I didn't see it comming since the ep Tengan died. Next ep we have the killer identifyied. It's either Mitarai or Asahina (which I strongly believe and I don't know why but I want more DEPSIAR!!!!!) Also on side note. Kodaka BRING BACK DEMonaka. I want MORE!!!! |
A Story will always come to it's end. The thing is, will you move on after it's over? |
Sep 13, 2016 8:06 AM
#180
Goddamn, someone needs to count the number of times Munakata or Naegi says "Despair" or "Hope". Words of the Season y'all. Really? 6 survivors? Either a mistype or a BS revival of a now-dead character. And Hagakure's not even in the killing game, so who's the other two? |
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Sep 13, 2016 10:02 AM
#181
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but... if Yukizome was a despair all along, why was she killed, especially first? Even Mukuro wasn't the first to die in Danganronpa 1. One would even think that Chisa would be the perfect choice to make it to the end, as a backup murderer like how Sakura was in the original game. It just doesn't add up to me. If the whole plan was as Munakata said, then the Despairs would want "sweet, innocent" Chisa to survive to the end, no? Something just doesn't add up with that (or maybe I'm giving the despairs too much credit). |
Sep 13, 2016 10:56 AM
#182
so, Yukizome got despair is true. i thought it was only for a short period but to know that it last for over years. that was kinda awsome imo. overall it was a great episode imo. and one more; the after-credit scen in the ending...what's the point of that seriously xD xD xD they didn't even show any character from the jabberwork island. |
Sep 13, 2016 4:18 PM
#183
EtoileSosso said: What we know so far : [...] - Makoto's NG Code is running in the hallways, Asahina's is getting hit by a kick or a punch. We don't know which is Mitarai's yet. [...] AzureAceYT said: Danganronpa 3 Mirai-hen Weekly Character Round-up: [...] Ryota Mitarai - Active Situation: With Munakata, Naegi and Asahina NG Code: ??? [...] I have the feeling Mitarai's NG code is "being alone" or "be ?? meters/feet away from any survivor". Maybe he looks to his phone that often because he has a picture of his friends of class 77-B, something that gives him the will to go on in this crazy scenario. |
Sep 13, 2016 4:33 PM
#184
It's not confirmed if Kirigiri is really "dead" since the "people alive" count went from 8 last episode to 6 this episode. Sooo, that means that one of the people who we thought were dead last week is actually alive. I'm guessing it's not Ruruka since she was pretty mangled and torn up, which means it's either Juzo or Kirigiri. I totally see the show bringing Kirigiri back as a "miracle" over Juzo, who is pretty disliked. But who knows, guess we'll have to see next week. Am I the only one who's really interested in the extra person alive?? They still didn't show who they are and we have 4 confirmed alive as of this episode (Asahina, Mitarai, Naegi, and Munakata), so that means another person isn't accounted for (other than someone who didn't really "die" last week, which brings the confirmed count of characters we absolutely known are in the game up to 5). Not really sure if the count includes Monaca or Yasuhiro. I mean, heck, Yasuhiro is included in the OP song and it looks like he's a part of the game?? Honestly I'm not sure at this point, but I'm guessing Chisa might pull a Junko in episode 12. Yo but like Chisa being confirmed as a child murderer was pretty harsh. I knew she got tainted by Junko in the Despair Arc, but I'm really sad that she started killing off children. (Also no one noticed she killed all of those kids? Damn.) This week's episode was pretty slow imo. I may have been rooting for Munakata to off Naegi. I mean couldn't someone else open the door to escape other than Naegi?? It would have been so satisfying to see him gone, but I guess he has main character armor, which sucks. (Totally would have loved to have any other deceased character alive and him gone for good.) Sorry if that seems harsh, but I just don't like his character at all. Asahina finally found Kirigiri's journal which will hopefully tell us all of the secrets of this game (or at least hint at the Mastermind). Tengan said that pretty much everyone in this game is an attacker, so I guess the theory that the killer alternates is true. I sort of wish they went a different route because that seems a bit meh in my eyes. Not much happened this episode, so I'm looking forward to next week. Let's hope they don't kill off any more of the cast members. Andddd, will we finally see Izuru next week? Looks like they're going to include some scenes with the SDR2 cast next. Looking forward to a faster-paced episode next week. (Hopefully Kirigiri will come back to life too. I was waiting this entire episode for her hand to twitch or something.) |
Sep 13, 2016 5:42 PM
#185
nobody199 said: Ok that's fine let's see: 1) First it's this is very opnion based, I, at least, like ideological battles, it's ok if you don't. I wasn't expecting way to much like you said, I would just like something better than hearing Munakata repeating the same things he says every episode without brigging something new. Munakata clearly wasn't in the state for a ideological battle, this is obvious since episode 5. That's what I meant with letting your expectations betray you 2)Never complained about the fight, in terms of the battle, I thought it was very good and realistic, giving that Naegi doesn't have any fighting experience besides his "luck" power, and I am not even complainig of luck being a totally natural thing in this universe. I see It's not about clarification, isn't what You and I are doing now, trying to prove a point? which one is the best sustained? Munakata simply doesn't try to do that. Munakata was clearly ilost in his own personal despair since episode 5. He did had some pretty good points early on in the serie but even so in episode 1 he was already wondering if he was wrong regarding hi extremist views The difference between him and Naegi is that Naegi was all for working together with him and combine their ideas since episode 3, Munakata became too stubborn after Chisa's death 3)I don't understand, I never said Naegi was against the idea of cooperating. It ties in my point regarding your expectations, if Naegi was ready to cooperate from the start, the problem was clearly with Munakata's way of doing things It seems weak, considering this guy was ready to kill him right now and there and suddendly just stop because of that, after all Tegan did say something similiar how he was capable of even killing the person he most loved and yet that didn't stoped him from being killed by Munakata Munakata wasn't thinking rationally, he took what Tengan said to his heart (everyone is a despair) and choe to kill everyone there, learning what Chisa did only pushed him deeper in the edge. Naegi triggering his memories of the old Chisa and making him remember what he shared with her is what brought Munakata back Interpersonal relationships and memories are what creates "hope" in DR to begin with Is kind of hard to be blamed by expectations, we all have expectations, I can't just throw them away, since I am always expecting something, wouldn't be unfair to say you should be blamed by your expectations to try to convince me that I was wrong? Also if it was too long and you didn't read why did you even bother to respond me? Isn't a little contradictory for you to respond me without reading all my opnions, for example I never complained about the things you wrote on 2) and 3). Last time I quoted you, you didn't respond me, probably it will happen again, either way thanks for discussing with me Wanting too much of one thing or expecting something different from what it was foreshadowed is setting yourelf for disappointment, that's my point here Everyone can have expectations but when they are unrealistic they can damage our enjoyment of the series An example is the Kumiko x Reina pairing in Hibike! Euphonimum it has many ship teases and so on but only that, many people who expected an official confirmation were disappointed nobody199 said: To finally consolidate my opnion, without trying create a giant text, there are so many flaws in Munakata's ideas that could have been exploited by Naegi just like a "bullet time battle", some of which are: -"where there is hope there is always the possibility of despair, and only where there is the possibility of despair can we respond with hope", proving that Munakata cannot destroy despair, simply because it's existence is related to hope. Naegi 1x 0 Munakata -" the only genuine hope is hope in what does not depend on ourselves, hope springing from humility and not from pride”, this attack Munakata directly, simply because it represents Naegi at his core personality and shows Munakata arrogance for believing only he could destroy despair. Naegi 2 x 0 Munakata -“Despair is possible in any form, at any moment and to any degree, and this betrayal may seem to be counseled, if not forced upon us, by the very structure of the world we live in” by saying this, Naegi totally debunks Munakata's logic of destroying despair, because it isn't just in any person, but is part of our reality. Naegi 3 x 0 Munakata That's how you beat him The thing is that Munakata couldn't be reasoned with, Makoto had to appeal to his feelings to bring him back to reason Pay attention to what Chisa says in Despair episode 1, hope is created through interaction and memories with others, Munakata was willingly trying to forget about the memories he had with Chisa because she became despair and that was wounding him deeply. When Makoto exposed that, he just crumbled away |
Sep 13, 2016 5:43 PM
#186
poptartnyan said: It's not confirmed if Kirigiri is really "dead" since the "people alive" count went from 8 last episode to 6 this episode. Sooo, that means that one of the people who we thought were dead last week is actually alive. I'm guessing it's not Ruruka since she was pretty mangled and torn up, which means it's either Juzo or Kirigiri. I totally see the show bringing Kirigiri back as a "miracle" over Juzo, who is pretty disliked. But who knows, guess we'll have to see next week. Am I the only one who's really interested in the extra person alive?? They still didn't show who they are and we have 4 confirmed alive as of this episode (Asahina, Mitarai, Naegi, and Munakata), so that means another person isn't accounted for (other than someone who didn't really "die" last week, which brings the confirmed count of characters we absolutely known are in the game up to 5). Not really sure if the count includes Monaca or Yasuhiro. I mean, heck, Yasuhiro is included in the OP song and it looks like he's a part of the game?? Honestly I'm not sure at this point, but I'm guessing Chisa might pull a Junko in episode 12. Yo but like Chisa being confirmed as a child murderer was pretty harsh. I knew she got tainted by Junko in the Despair Arc, but I'm really sad that she started killing off children. (Also no one noticed she killed all of those kids? Damn.) This week's episode was pretty slow imo. I may have been rooting for Munakata to off Naegi. I mean couldn't someone else open the door to escape other than Naegi?? It would have been so satisfying to see him gone, but I guess he has main character armor, which sucks. (Totally would have loved to have any other deceased character alive and him gone for good.) Sorry if that seems harsh, but I just don't like his character at all. Asahina finally found Kirigiri's journal which will hopefully tell us all of the secrets of this game (or at least hint at the Mastermind). Tengan said that pretty much everyone in this game is an attacker, so I guess the theory that the killer alternates is true. I sort of wish they went a different route because that seems a bit meh in my eyes. Not much happened this episode, so I'm looking forward to next week. Let's hope they don't kill off any more of the cast members. Andddd, will we finally see Izuru next week? Looks like they're going to include some scenes with the SDR2 cast next. Looking forward to a faster-paced episode next week. (Hopefully Kirigiri will come back to life too. I was waiting this entire episode for her hand to twitch or something.) Can you explain to me why you hate Naegi to the point that you were rooting for that nutjob Munakata? It must be a pretty deep dislike |
Sep 13, 2016 6:10 PM
#187
Every time they focused on her hand, I thought it would move! Don't stay dead :( |
Sep 13, 2016 7:30 PM
#188
Ryuugamono said: i highly doubt its something as roundabout as this but if it bothers you, you can pretend that kirigiri and juzo are actually dead and the reason the counter only went down by 3 instead of 4 is because miayabot was never alive in the first place therefore never counted.Goddamn, someone needs to count the number of times Munakata or Naegi says "Despair" or "Hope". Words of the Season y'all. Really? 6 survivors? Either a mistype or a BS revival of a now-dead character. And Hagakure's not even in the killing game, so who's the other two? im pretty sure it is though since it was shown with all the other survivors when monobear was talking about the counter way way way back at the start, id just say its safe to assume giri is coming back next episode or the one after and prepare for disappointment, or prepare for a meme extravaganza if juzo gets confirmed alive. JUZO BOYS!!! |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Sep 13, 2016 8:58 PM
#189
I'm baffled by what Tengan said, for one reason in particular: At the end of the episode, Hina said "The killing is over. I know who the attacker is." This makes no sense if what Tengan said about all of the participants being attackers is what it seems to be. If they're all despair-infected attackers, Hina's discovery wouldn't put an end to the killing, and she wouldn't have said "I know who the ATTACKER [note this is not a plural noun] is." Assuming the explanation isn't something cheap like "Hina misread the notebook," our options seem to be that 1) Kyoko was wrong, which is frankly a ridiculous notion, 2) What Tengan said isn't what it appears to be, or 3) Hina meant "I know who the MASTERMIND is." Regardless, my theory is that, assuming Tengan was correct and everyone is infected with some despair even they are unaware of, Ryota is going to use his anime to "cure" everyone. Hopefully this includes Chiaki/Chisa, in the event that either one turns out to be the mastermind. Edit: Okay, on the "6 Survivors Remaining" topic: I'm maintaining that Kyoko's still alive, but... weirdly enough, her being dead would be the only reason I'd be upset to learn that Juzo survived. Once we started seeing him as more than "the crazy guy who won't stop throwing chairs," he started to grow on me a bit. I don't think he's the survivor, though. I can't see Kyousuke being that careless. Edit 2: JizzyHitler said: I'd prefer kirigiri stay dead cause i dislike fake outs and i think they cheapen things But Danganronpa is full of fake outs. In DR1, we had the fake out of Junko's death via Mukuro, the (sort of) fake out of Alter Ego's death, the fake out of the mastermind's death, and the fake out of Makoto's death (admittedly, this last one didn't make you actually think he was dead, but it made you think he was ABOUT to be dead.) In DR2, they faked Byakuya's death via the Ultimate Imposter, they faked us out with AI Chiaki's near-escape, and they somehow faked us out with Usami's death (to my knowledge, they never did explain that one.) Top that all off with the main plot twist: they faked the deaths of everyone but AI Chiaki and AI Junko. Finally, in DR: AE, we had the fake-out deaths of the Warriors of Hope, Shirokuma, and (probably) Makoto and Komaru's parents. I mean, I get where you're coming from, and I agree that abuse of the fake death scene is cheap and annoying, but "Fooled you!" moments aren't exactly a new thing in Danganronpa. When done properly, they're great and enhance the game's charm and narrative. When done poorly... not so much. |
PhendrusSep 13, 2016 9:32 PM
Important Note: I no longer - in any way, shape, or form - consider myself a moral nihilist (even in my old, convoluted definition of the term). I very much do believe there is such a thing as objective good and evil. In addition, I apologize for any of the posts I've made that are rude, aggressive, or otherwise unbecoming. I've always striven to walk a path befitting a follower of Christ, and now recognize some of my old comments here as misguided if not outright wrong. If you happen upon them, pray do not let them darken your view of the God I serve. He is kind, even if I, at times, have not been. |
Sep 13, 2016 9:47 PM
#190
Phendrus said: If they're all despair-infected attackers, Hina's discovery wouldn't put an end to the killing, and she wouldn't have said "I know who the ATTACKER [note this is not a plural noun] is." Actually, in Japanese, that could very well be plural. But it could also be singular. A lot of Japanese nouns are like that. |
Sep 14, 2016 3:06 AM
#191
If Kyoko is really dead then why does it look like the purple is fading away heck there isn't even any purple on her neck anymore and you can notice this by pausing after makoto touches Kyoko face and the fact they didn't show another close up of her face again after that is weird to me also since when would Danganronpa allow only one female to survive a death game. :/ http://imgur.com/gallery/raSvd |
Sep 14, 2016 6:10 AM
#192
To spread a little more despair for the Kirigiri fans: Maybe the 6 survivors are: - Makoto - Munakata - Asahina - Hagakure (if he is counted. I rewatched the beginning of episode 4. While Monokuma said that there are 12 survivors the note came in that Hagakure is outside because nobody likes him so he could be excluded from the killing game and there is one hidden participant) If he doesn' count in his stead it would be the mastermind. - Mitarai - Monaka (It could be possible that the mastermind knew that Monaka was behind Gekkogahara so she still counts as a survivor for the game because only the mecha "died"). I think it's save to say that Mitarais NG-Code has nothing to do with the mastermind or the attacker because Munakata knows the NG-Code of everyone thanks to Monaka/Gekkogahara What are your thoughts on that? |
Sep 14, 2016 6:35 AM
#193
Durge93 said: I think it's save to say that Mitarais NG-Code has nothing to do with the mastermind or the attacker because Munakata knows the NG-Code of everyone thanks to Monaka/Gekkogahara What are your thoughts on that? This is a clever deduction. Now, what if his NG code by itself is not enough to link him to the mastermind? |
Sep 14, 2016 7:04 AM
#194
DampVamp69 said: Phendrus said: If they're all despair-infected attackers, Hina's discovery wouldn't put an end to the killing, and she wouldn't have said "I know who the ATTACKER [note this is not a plural noun] is." Actually, in Japanese, that could very well be plural. But it could also be singular. A lot of Japanese nouns are like that. I hadn't thought about that. Touché. |
Important Note: I no longer - in any way, shape, or form - consider myself a moral nihilist (even in my old, convoluted definition of the term). I very much do believe there is such a thing as objective good and evil. In addition, I apologize for any of the posts I've made that are rude, aggressive, or otherwise unbecoming. I've always striven to walk a path befitting a follower of Christ, and now recognize some of my old comments here as misguided if not outright wrong. If you happen upon them, pray do not let them darken your view of the God I serve. He is kind, even if I, at times, have not been. |
Sep 14, 2016 7:52 AM
#195
I somehow think the mastermind is not limited to one . Since Junko has manipulated 77 class into despair , i think all 77 class students give in to despair. Therefore, I think the masterminds behind this killing game is chiaki nanami , chisa and ryota mitarai. Chiaki is ultimate gamer so she knows how to produce a game , mitarai is an animator which means he is the one who presented the monokuma video. And is Chisa really dead? I somehow doubted Asahina is Chisa with the real asahina being killed. Asahina said the word warrior of hope which I found very suspiscious and there is also green eyed Asahina. |
Sep 14, 2016 8:01 AM
#196
blueworldfenrir said: I somehow think the mastermind is not limited to one . Since Junko has manipulated 77 class into despair , i think all 77 class students give in to despair. Therefore, I think the masterminds behind this killing game is chiaki nanami , chisa and ryota mitarai. Chiaki is ultimate gamer so she knows how to produce a game , mitarai is an animator which means he is the one who presented the monokuma video. And is Chisa really dead? I somehow doubted Asahina is Chisa with the real asahina being killed. Asahina said the word warrior of hope which I found very suspiscious and there is also green eyed Asahina. The Monokuma video in the beggining can't be a animation since it could answer the participants on the spot... |
You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
Sep 14, 2016 9:07 AM
#197
Durge93 said: doubtful, back when monobear was talking about the 12 survivors he also included gekkobot at one of the survivors. It has to be juzo or kirigiri that survived. I just dont see juzo surviving since munakata made pretty sure to kill tengan before walking off and juzo got fucked up pretty bad. I want her to stay dead but kirigiri is indefinitely coming back soon.To spread a little more despair for the Kirigiri fans: Maybe the 6 survivors are: - Makoto - Munakata - Asahina - Hagakure (if he is counted. I rewatched the beginning of episode 4. While Monokuma said that there are 12 survivors the note came in that Hagakure is outside because nobody likes him so he could be excluded from the killing game and there is one hidden participant) If he doesn' count in his stead it would be the mastermind. - Mitarai - Monaka (It could be possible that the mastermind knew that Monaka was behind Gekkogahara so she still counts as a survivor for the game because only the mecha "died"). I think it's save to say that Mitarais NG-Code has nothing to do with the mastermind or the attacker because Munakata knows the NG-Code of everyone thanks to Monaka/Gekkogahara What are your thoughts on that? |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Sep 14, 2016 9:08 AM
#198
HyperL said: The Monokuma video in the beggining can't be a animation since it could answer the participants on the spot... I was going to raise doubt on that, then I remembered the Usami scene. I wonder if there's anything valuable to be deduced from this, though. |
Sep 14, 2016 9:54 AM
#199
Durge93 said: To spread a little more despair for the Kirigiri fans: Maybe the 6 survivors are: - Makoto - Munakata - Asahina - Hagakure (if he is counted. I rewatched the beginning of episode 4. While Monokuma said that there are 12 survivors the note came in that Hagakure is outside because nobody likes him so he could be excluded from the killing game and there is one hidden participant) If he doesn' count in his stead it would be the mastermind. - Mitarai - Monaka (It could be possible that the mastermind knew that Monaka was behind Gekkogahara so she still counts as a survivor for the game because only the mecha "died"). I think it's save to say that Mitarais NG-Code has nothing to do with the mastermind or the attacker because Munakata knows the NG-Code of everyone thanks to Monaka/Gekkogahara What are your thoughts on that? Monaca abandoned the game just after she helped in calling Byakuya. I would say then, that her role was fulfilled after she called Byakuya in. So what if Byakuya was called there to enter the game and he is being counted from the beginning? |
Sep 14, 2016 10:39 AM
#200
Manecleis said: Durge93 said: I think it's save to say that Mitarais NG-Code has nothing to do with the mastermind or the attacker because Munakata knows the NG-Code of everyone thanks to Monaka/Gekkogahara What are your thoughts on that? This is a clever deduction. Now, what if his NG code by itself is not enough to link him to the mastermind? Yeah you are right on that. Even when his NG-Code isn't directly linked to the mastermind (what I said), he could provide her/him with information or help her/him in other ways. But I honestly don't see him killing someone (except he will turn into a despair in despair arc at a later moment). So I think that he could be at best a supporter. |
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