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| Well, people like Hinata because they love Naruto and they are bashing against Sakura because they hate Sasuke |
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Ockap1812 said: In the new naruto movie, it's revealed that hinata was a trap all along.  |
| Tbh, only the horny shipping tards like her. Every female in Naruto sucks. None of them are fleshed out as they should be, nor are they remotely useful to the overall plot. |
| not overrated sakura also is not overrated some people like abusive bitches like sakura some people like gentle girls that care for your core values right from the start and don't lust after a piece of shit guy that needs to come to his fucking senses. Sakura and Sasuke are a perfect match for each other (a bitch for a bitch) Still Naruto is a dumbass naive cliché character so of course the supporting cast is not that deep either. TL;DR Sakura 4/10 (bonus for looks) Hinata 8/10 (bigger bonus for personality) 11/10 with rice |
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Takuan_Soho said: Yasuko-uchiha said: So, I was wondering why a lot of people love to bash against Sakura but actually love Hinata.... The real answer? Large breasts. 80% of the otaku like the character with the biggest breasts the best. No other factor enters into the discussion. Secondary answer: they show Sakura more, and because there really isn't any character development in Naruto and this applies even more to female characters, Sakura, as the lead female character, suffers the most from this defect. She is there to be the tsundere and to heal Naruto. That is it. Hinata fortunately is not shown nearly as much and therefore her lack of growth doesn't grate as much. How does Otaku factor here? if it's the west there is no otaku, and if it's Japan, then the manga is a mainstream shounen manga, and not an manga with an otaku fanbase, not to mention that Sakura is more popular than Hinata in Japan, not like the west. Well, that's factually wrong, character development exists heavily in the series, whether you think it's good or bad, is subjective, but it's existence isn't. Sakura has her fair share of character development. She is not a tsundere. Hinata while not having that much screen time, still has character development, in part 1 at her fight vs Neji, she changed from a shy girl who feared Neji, to speaking her mind, and believing on something, and fighting her fears head on, due to the influence Naruto had on her. And after the timeskip in the Invasion of Pain arc, when she saved Naruto. To make a statement like the series doesn't have character development, I can only assume that you watched some of it as kid or something. |
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Takuan_Soho said: For a series as long as Naruto, the character development has been extremely The whole series focuses on Naruto, what he goes through both mentally and physically. From the first episode till the end, tackling many of his traits and personality, and conflicts. First episode, when changing from someone who does pranks to gain attention, to finally forming a bond with someone who sees him more than that. Same thing with Team 7, and the land of the waves, his whole relationship with Sasuke, his relationship with Kyuubi, with his parents, etc. Sasuke is the most dynamic character in the series. Sakura, which I already explained. Shikamaru who is the protagonist of the Hidan and Kakzu arc. Garra who changed in the Chunnin exam, to someone who can become a Kage, and then again for someone the Shinobi world can depend on. Neji from someone who only believed in destiny, and the bitter future that he thought awaits him, to being changed by Naruto's hard work and effort, to understanding what his father meant when he died. Sai, who was an emotionless puppet, to creating bonds, and having free thought and actions in the span of an arc. Tsunade in the Tsunade arc, etc. And plenty more, if we count the backstories of the majority of characters. It's not light at all. There was always a huge focus on characters in the series, and how they change and progress through the story, specifically Naruto and Sasuke. [quote] [/spoiler] So fucking what? so because her feelings for another character didn't change, she didn't change? is romance the only dimension of certain characters or something? Incorrect, her goals were different in the beginning, and so her personality as they were shallow, but changed over the time, you didn't read the post I linked, so I'm not copy pasting it here. And what the actual fuck? character development is a change in characterization. It's not a change in already established goals and motivations. In a nutshell you are saying because the character didn't do a 180 turn, and became completely new characters, they didn't develop. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CharacterDevelopment Sorry but: "I am shy. Oh Naruto is brave, I will be brave." Is not character development. Its not even close to it. Lmao. despite, your simplified view on her, it's still character development, Shyness, is a character trait, changing into bravery is character development, the fact that she did something, she wouldn't do, is change. You are fundamentally wrong and clueless. No wonder, you made that statement. |
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| Well you have been clearly a waste of time.. Understanding more about the Shinobi world, and attempting to end a cycle of hatred is not the same as creating bonds, nor did that development happen in the beginning. While I attempted to throw jabs at you, what you say is frustrating enough for me to do so, you are sticking to your own definition of a common literary device, and simplifying whatever I write or completely disregarding it all together. It's not out of spite, I honestly think you are fundamentally wrong, and don't know what you are talking about here, and you made no effort to prove otherwise. Good day. |
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 Sakura saving Hinata's worthless life. Bitch please. Never forget that the only thing that Hinata had to say after Neji died was: Naruto-kun's hand is so big. But then again, I always considered both Naruto and her garbage on their own, so they do fit each other. Say what you want, but FACT IS THAT HINATA IS NOTHING MORE THAN NARUTO'S SATELLITE CHARACTER, and she was always bitch who never cared about anyone and anything else, aside from a guy who she stalked all the time because she fell in love with him for being a loser. On the other other hand, Sakura saved countless people's lives, and has relationships other than with Sasuke, Kakashi, Naruto, Ino, and others. Btw, those parts where she punched Naruto, geez, that was just comedy, doesn't mean she is his mortal enemy. And just to confirm it, it's not Hinata's problem that she loves Naruto, it's that that is pretty much everything there is to her - especially in part 2. As for her having nice personality, once again - bitch please, many characters, both male and female have nice personality, it doesn't make her special. EDIT: Please, don't call me NaruSaku, I'm not. Naruto's character makes me puke. |
KleferiJan 17, 2015 3:06 AM
Garfild said: Sakura saving Hinata's worthless life. Bitch please. Never forget that the only thing that Hinata had to say after Neji died was: Naruto-kun's hand is so big. But then again, I always considered both Naruto and her garbage on their own, so they do fit each other. Say what you want, but FACT IS THAT HINATA IS NOTHING MORE THAN NARUTO'S SATELLITE CHARACTER, and she was always bitch who never cared about anyone and anything else, aside from a guy who she stalked all the time because she fell in love with him for being a loser. On the other other hand, Sakura saved countless people's lives, and has relationships other than with Sasuke, Kakashi, Naruto, Ino, and others. Btw, those parts where she punched Naruto, geez, that was just comedy, doesn't mean she is his mortal enemy. And just to confirm it, it's not Hinata's problem that she loves Naruto, it's that that is pretty much everything there is to her - especially in part 2. As for her having nice personality, once again - bitch please, many characters, both male and female have nice personality, it doesn't make her special. EDIT: Please, don't call me NaruSaku, I'm not. Naruto's character makes me puke. Would you kindly stop writing? Would you kindly start thinking? Hinata is not Naruto's sattelite character and Naruto is NOT sasuke's sattelite character. It's more on the contrary actually. Basically sasuke is jealous of Naruto and revolts, he admitted this himself. Also, Hinata is not a b**** at all. She simply couldn't get over her feelings. I agree with you on one point, Sakura is Naruto's friend too, something tsudecimo changed my mind about. Also, Hinata fell in love with Naruto not because he was a loser (since he most definitely is not one and never was) but because he saved her from bullies, he was willing to be punched and beaten so she could escape. Not many people do this. It seems you don't quite understand the manga, if you did, you wouldn't write things like that. Have a good day. |
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| A retcon at the very end? But it happened, did it not? If it is canon, we need to accept it just like everything else. You are bringing sasuke down actually. You are indirectly saying that he's easily manipulated (which is true). Firstly he was manipulated by Itachi, then by Orochimaru, then by Tobi. sasuke was going through a dangerous path and Naruto, being the excellent person he is, decided he didn't want that because he cared for sasuke. In the end, even sasuke admitted he was not following the right path so that "HE DIDN'T ASK FOR ANYTHING" arguement is nullified. Do you know why Naruto was not in sasuke's eyes when they were little? Because he had too much hatred. When he saw Naruto was getting stronger, he got angry indeed. Then, in his final fight, he compared Itachi and Naruto and realized they were always a step ahead of him. He admitted he was jealous of Naruto, you can't argue with that because it is CANON. He was jealous of how he needed to be alone to get power and Naruto, who was always surrounded by people and friends, obtained much more power. I like both Hinata and Sakura and I agree that the end has been rushed but you are misjudging Hinata's character. She was the princess-like girl from the village but she was failing to uphold her status because she had no backbone. This in simple words. When she saw Naruto she admired him and strived to become like him. Due to his actions she slowly fell in love with him. Thanks to Naruto she became strong, so she's thankful to him. How Naruto fell in love with Hinata, I am not aware, since I have yet to watch the movie but well, it happened. |
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| Naruto, as the loyal friend he is wanted the best for sasuke. He was watching a friend throwing everything away for power, he could not let him just do that. No matter how much we argue we won't reach a consensus, you are being way too biased as a fan of sasuke. sasuke is considered a genius, he didn't try that hard. The one who managed to become strong through hardwork was Naruto. Kurama, initially proved to be a nuisance to Naruto for with its chakra, Naruto could not control chakra well. Sasuke was given the mangekyõ sharingan, eternal mangekyõ AND the rinnegan, he didn't train to become strong. Naruto had to train much more to master the kyuubi chakra, sage chakra, bijuu-dama, rasengan, rasenshuriken... Regarding sasuke being manipulated: he definitely was. First by Itachi (but as you say he was a child). Then by Orochimaru, which you say he wasn't but he was. Orochimaru persuaded him to betray the village and join him. Then by Tobi because he simply believed something and turned 180º in his objective. I also think it makes sense for sasuke to be jealous of Naruto. Not while he was trying to avenge his family (while he was after Itachi) but after that, since he seemed to get obsessed with killing Naruto (just like he had been with Itachi). Like I said above, we won't reach a consensus, well , they are different opinions. Have a good day! |
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| This thread is about Hinata anyway. Everybody knows Sasuke is a shit character who should have died but survived due to a plot hole. |
| @Garfild Look, we have a difference in opinions and we will be discussing the same over and over again. So I will just let this be made clear: 1- Sasuke was manipulated, it is FACT, it is CANON. Tobi and orochimaru themselves said sasuke was easy to manipulate. 2- Kyuubi helped Naruto in part 1, but the only reason Naruto was not strong was because the kyuubi's chakra interfered with Naruto's own chakra system and that's why Naruto didn't do well in the academy. This is canon as well, just so you know. Now you cannot tell me that the only reason Naruto is strong is because of the Kyuubi because it isn't. I could also use the arguement for sasuke's sharingan, for he didn't even need to train with it and everything was given to him. 3- Sasuke, from the beggining to the end of the war wanted to kill Naruto. This is canon as well. Sasuke was also jealous of Naruto. It is CANON. 4- Kishimoto never admitted Naruto was all about bringing sasuke back. Have you read his interviews or other people saying that? You have misheard or heard things people misunderstood. sasuke wasn't even supposed to be created. 5- Do not attack other people because of their anime preferences. I do not like Fairy Tail either but there is no problem with that. He has the right to call sasuke whatever he wants. |
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Garfild said: Drunk_Samurai said: Sasuke is character who pretty much moved story of Naruto as someone who isn't main main character.This thread is about Hinata anyway. Everybody knows Sasuke is a shit character who should have died but survived due to a plot hole. He was Naruto's main goal. Kishimoto himself admitted Naruto was all about bringing Sasuke back. That being said, calling Sasuke shit character is your right, but saying that while having Fairy Tail in your favorites... I already said in a different thread I'm too lazy to remove FT from my favorites. It was added years ago. Besides you obviously don't know what I'm talking about when I say plot hole. Him surviving against Deidara was a plot hole since he summoned Manda without any chakra meaning most of the events that came after would have never happened. |
| I agree with you OP, Hinata's character is really annoying imo, for exactly all these reasons you stated. Well I have a couple of friends at school who really like Hinata. When I asked them why they like her they said because she has her mind set on a goal and because she has good looks and she is innocent & shy. Many guys like this type of girl so this may be one reason for her popularity. Even though this doesn't concern Hinata's character, I prefer Sakura over her. Regardless from what everyone says about uselessness, I find her the most normal and relatable character in the series. She really tries to overcome her weakness despite her fears. Her will was really strong, and despite not being special like Sasuke or Naruto, she has managed to reach a really good level. Even though I prefer Sakura, I wasn't mad about the ending because of the pairings, only due to the fact that they weren't properly explained and developed. |
| @Garfild It is not my fanfiction, it is FACT. Everything I said were FACTS. 1- Sasuke wanted revenge and got rid of everything on his way, including good things. And Obito did manipulate him. He told him the truth, indeed and why did he tell him the truth? So he could USE HIM. That is being manipulated. If sasuke hadn't known like that he wouldn't have been so against Konoha. 2- That comment made me laugh to be honest. Just like Naruto had the Kyuubi, sasuke had the sharingan. Both were things they were GIVEN and while Naruto needed to train in order to tame Kurama (and at the start he was a nuisance), sasuke didn't do anything. When Naruto learnt rasenshuriken, which would take many years, sasuke learnt kirin (they're equal now). Then Naruto TRAINED A LOT to master senjutsu while sasuke was given the mangekyo sharingan by Itachi. Then Naruto had to tame Kurama and fight against it to get his chakra for free, while sasuke just put Itachi's eyes and yay, eternal mangekyõ sharingan arrived. Then they were both given sage of the six paths chakra, sasuke awakened the rinnegan and Naruto six paths sage mode. They were pretty much equal, however, Naruto's amazing resolve lead even sasuke to forfeit, stop diminishing Naruto's ability, you are overestimating sasuke when he was given everything (besides kirin, which he trained for) on a silver platter. Besides Kishimoto himself said that Naruto was the epitome of hard work and sasuke was a genius. 3- Naruto was jealous of sasuke in the start because sasuke was cool. Then sasuke left everything behind and Naruto, since he was his friend, decided to save him from that, to make sasuke see the light. 4- Yes, it was a focus of the manga indeed, but Kishi never said it was all Naruto was about. 5- Yes I understand (though I do not dislike Natsu himself, he's okay). Also, there are two plot holes with sasuke surviving. Not only that of Deidara but also when sasuke was saved by Tobi from Oonoki. In order to absorve, Obito needed to materialize and it takes time. For him to materialize inside the explosion would be death, so how did Tobi save sasuke? ANYWAY overall you are defying canon. I don't want to discuss anymore of this, pm me if you want to continue talking! |
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Garfild said: @Drunk_Samurai: Sasuke never himself said he was out of chakra, only Deidara was blabbering. Doesn't fucking matter. It was still stated. Not to mention he was on the ground obviously exhausted. |
| @ Garfild Like I said before I am not going to continue this discussion here, message me if you want. I will only say one thing: everything you say can be refuted. You are DEFYING CANON. That's your fanfiction. Uzumaki's body is nothing special, it just significantly accelerates cells regeneration, which is AFTER battle, not DURING battle, so it doesn't help. Here the e.m.s equals Kyuubi, both were given to sasuke and Naruto respectively. Also, you clearly have no idea what manipulation means if you say Kushina manipulated Naruto etc etc, it's totally different from the case with sasuke in which the only reason Tobi told him the truth was so he could use him. Have a good day. |
Caik7Jan 18, 2015 4:53 AM
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| @Garfild There is no use in continuing this. Obito DID use sasuke, it is CANON. He used him against Konoha, against the five kages. Don't you remember? Obito said: Heh I thought he'd at least damage you a bit. Look it simply is CANON, you're denying it. As for the sharingan it is a much stronger bloodline than the Uzumaki body, which only takes effect when healing. Besides, the ms and ems were given to sasuke, just like the kyuubi was, it's EQUAL. Naruto however trained much more, specially in senjutsu, so you can't point out that sasuke trained much more than Naruto since sasuke is a genius, like kishimoto said himself, and learns things quickly. Kishimoto himself said sasuke was a genius and Naruto WORKED to become as strong as a genius. And you're wrong, not anyone can become a jinchuuriki(many people died when the hachibi was sealed, only people with extreme strong chakra in kyuubi's and hachibi's case since they are way too powerful) . If we go by that logic anyone can get the sharingan (kakashi) too, so don't go through there. This is forum but it's Hinata's thread. |
Caik7Jan 18, 2015 9:42 AM
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| Sakura's such a ho everyone has no choice but to dickride Hinata |
| Naruto is overrated. |
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robis798 said: Naruto is overrated. After the fiasco of the war arc and ending it really is. |
| Who cares who overated or not.... It's just an anime/manga.... |
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Drunk_Samurai said: robis798 said: Naruto is overrated. After the fiasco of the war arc and ending it really is. Timeskip Naruto sucks but it's really only hyped in casual circles and by fight junkies who wank feats, even on this site nothing in the franchise has anything above an 8.00 rating except the manga |
| ok ok ok ok ok...hinata is NO WAY better than sakura,hinata just another shy bitch who insists to love naruto! while naruto doesn't EVEN pay attnetion to her,if you'r talking about the last naruto movie,i have no idea why kishimoto ended hinata with naruto,it's suppouse to be sakura,but whatever,the manga's ending is sucks!! Naruto x sakura all the way!!! |
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Kaimon said: Drunk_Samurai said: After the fiasco of the war arc and ending it really is. Timeskip Naruto sucks but it's really only hyped in casual circles and by fight junkies who wank feats, even on this site nothing in the franchise has anything above an 8.00 rating except the manga What do you think I meant by overrated? 8.00 average rating is too high for the manga. |
Iri-Saber said: ok ok ok ok ok...hinata is NO WAY better than sakura,hinata just another shy bitch who insists to love naruto! while naruto doesn't EVEN pay attnetion to her,if you'r talking about the last naruto movie,i have no idea why kishimoto ended hinata with naruto,it's suppouse to be sakura,but whatever,the manga's ending is sucks!! Naruto x sakura all the way!!! Is there no middle grounds? :| |
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Yasuko-uchiha said: No. The weakest one is Tenten I think.- Always act shy when Naruto is around - She's the weakest among the other girls - Her shyness and thumb twiddling is so annoying - She have no personnality ( like the same Nindô as Naruto) - Poor girl is not able to tell her feelings to Naruto - I know I repeat myself but in Shippuden, everybody improve their skills except for her No. Her skill are improved. Why people love Hinata? Because in real life that tipe of girl is cute and boys like it :3 In this case Naruto just don't realize how cute she is, because they make him to like Sakura. Yasuko-uchiha said: It's true that Sakura has some credits too, but what people don't like from her is :Anyway, can someone tell me please why people hate Sakura instead of Hinata ? - She is too addicted with Sasuke. Even Sasuke is the traitor and leave her, naruto and village behind. - Still love him even Sasuke joined Akatsuki and want to destroy the village. People say it "love blind". I personally hate Sasuke, he just go around and then come out of nowhere to world war as one of the hero :D For sakura at Naruto Shipudden I started to like her, but still that "love blind" can't make her as my fav chara ^^ |
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