Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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Luthandorius said: Not much happened and I can't stand Subarus behaviour anymore. He is one of the worst main chars ever. (Why can't he just behave normally at least a little bit?) So I decided to drop the anime at this point. 5/10 only. Could have been 7/10 (I actually like the fantasy setting even though there isn't much interesting plot and the pacing is bad) but this main char is worth -2. Fine, your opinion. But your reasoning for it makes 0 sense. He is acting normally for a person that isn't normal. What makes you think that he is your average normal guy prior to the story or even in the story? If his way of coping with stressful situations is to put on a cheerful facade to the point where it breaks him even further then clearly something went wrong in his life that made him develop this unhealthy defensive mechanism. So in the end it's not his fault for being a character with psychological problems but rather yours for not realizing it and shrugging it off as "Waaah he's annoying and can't behave normally". Since you can't bring the mental capability to see through such patterns that are even presented at face value ( best example episode 8 ), yes you're better off dropping it. Just note that your reasoning will most likely evoke a "look who's talking" reaction from other people. |
| Emilia is just an very, very pleasant and nice character and to be honest I feared the worst when I saw her design, expecting her to be like an aggressive tsundere as well as her looking like she was designed to be the next best selling figurine (which she might be tbf). Pleasantly surprised |
Fappa said: He is a hardcore otaku that thinks the world he is in was just created for him and that everything is a game. He said that in the beginning. And there is no reason to doubt that he still belives he got summoned to that world in order to help his waifu Emilia.What makes you think that he is your average normal guy prior to the story or even in the story? If his way of coping with stressful situations is to put on a cheerful facade to the point where it breaks him even further then clearly something went wrong in his life that made him develop this unhealthy defensive mechanism. If he would try taking everything a bit more serious it would be less annoying. And always those stupid nicknames he gives others. If he really got psychological problems (other than being an hardcore otaku) then the story writer is very very bad at conveying this. (Would even be more a reason to drop the anime.) |
| I get Subaru is a hardcore Otaku but it led me to think that he was to comfortable with the new world setting.... don't he like miss his old folks I know I know..... People will say when you are dying and repeating a same week six times (Counting)..who has the mind power to worry about his folks,,, but stil... |
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Do you even realise the gravity of the things you're saying? |
"Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences."  |
Luthandorius said: He is a hardcore otaku that thinks the world he is in was just created for him and that everything is a game. He said that in the beginning. And there is no reason to doubt that he still belives he got summoned to that world in order to help his waifu Emilia. If he would try taking everything a bit more serious it would be less annoying. And always those stupid nicknames he gives others. If he really got psychological problems (other than being an hardcore otaku) then the story writer is very very bad at conveying this. (Would even be more a reason to drop the anime.) Ah and that one thought process immediately shoves him into the category of your normal guy. There are plenty of reasons ever since episode 6 that say something different. And once again you prove that what the show tries to tell you completely flew over your head. You really need everything spoon fed to you and at face value, do you? I think you fail to see that this is not a story you can simply consume without turning your brain on. You have to read between the lines analyze every little ounce of a character's behavior. If you did this, you would realize that what you shrug off a "he's not serious enough" is exactly the opposite. Especially episode 8 proved us that. And again you prove that you've not paid any attention other than the face value of him giving others nicknames. Ever wondered why he does this? Why he craves for deep bonds with other to a point where it becomes desperate and forced? No normal or "not serious" person behaves like that. Sigh, no...you simply can't comprehend the way the author conveys it to you. What you do right now is like ordering food because you want to try it but It ends up not pleasing you since something was in it that you generally don't like, so you claim that the cook is bad at his job and did a lot wrong even though it's your fault for not realizing what is in it. It's ok to not like it, that's an opinion but that doesn't change the fact that your reasoning makes about 0 sense and in the is your own fault. So yeah you're better off dropping it since you can't see what the story conveys in an actual intellectual way. Oh and don't make me even start about the fact that you just claimed how being a hardcore Otaku is a psychological problem. |
ibraheem234 said: I get Subaru is a hardcore Otaku but it led me to think that he was to comfortable with the new world setting.... don't he like miss his old folks I know I know..... People will say when you are dying and repeating a same week six times (Counting)..who has the mind power to worry about his folks,,, but stil... Well think about it. If he as a person embraces this bizarre experience of a new world, completely isolated from his former life like that, then surely something must have gone seriously wrong in his life prior to this story. Things hint towards a past that Subaru wants to leave behind by any means. He sees this as a new chance, a Re:start...not knowing that it'll probably be worse than his former live could've ever been. Also episode 8 gave us quite an insight on his character. If his initial personality we saw ever since we started this story got extreme to the extent of episode 8 because he was confronted with such traumatizing experiences, doesn't this make the personality we've seen from the very first minute not his actual one but instead a defensive mechanism to wall himself off any pain? It seems like he's been coping with a traumatizing experience ever since we saw him in episode 1 but just as the scale of his suffering skyrocket into something that wouldn't be possible in our world, his way of coping with the mental suffering which is his overall happy personality also skyrocket as well. So to sum it up, it seems like Subaru was broken to begin with because of whatever reason there was in his former life but the things that happen to him in this world start to break the wall ( = his overly positive and extroverted personality ) he puts up to protect himself from breaking. |
FappaMay 25, 2016 7:41 AM
| Actually I am using my brain and I often watch a lot of other shows that require you to use it. The show is just bad. If they wanted to convey something like that they should at least create the atmosphere for it. I mean it is normal to not notice stuff if you are about to fall asleep while watching the episode. Other anime like the masterpiece Madoka for example are good very good at it with the happy magical girls and the negative stuff where they create a good atmosphere. But the behaviour of the main char itself is just ruining everything. More "deep" moments where he is thinking with some sad music. That could made it better. That got nothing to do with "spoon feeding". If it is bad it is just bad. Nothing I can do about it. It is more like ordering something to eat and then complaining to the cook that he cooked some super high qualiy meat too long so it isn't edible anymore. (High quality meat = the story potential of this anime. Cook = Author/Script writers that do a bad job.) What you are saying sounds more like a fanboy that wants to defend his anime. Actually I wanted to just say that I dropped it and did not like it but if you want to start long discussions and insult me ("not using the brain" sounded a bit like an insult) I obviously need to defend myself. I hope I won't get quoted again and this post can finish the topic for me now. With "hardcore otaku" I obviously meant the guy. I mean I would not consider it normal to act like that in our real life outside towards other people. I did not want to insult other people here on the forums. Normally watching anime and liking it or being an otaku and even buying merchandise (only then I would consider someone otaku if he really is dedicated and also buying tons of stuff - I am not an otaku I only watch anime and don't buy merchandise) is normal. But the bevahiour where you think and act like the real life was an anime is not normal/healthy. But that is better kept for some other threads where this could be discussed. I don't think there exist lots of people like that. They would have problems in social interaction with others then and imo it would not be wrong to call it a "problem" then. |
Luthandorius said: Actually I am using my brain and I often watch a lot of other shows that require you to use it. The show is just bad. If they wanted to convey something like that they should at least create the atmosphere for it. I mean it is normal to not notice stuff if you are about to fall asleep while watching the episode. Okay so the show bad to you and you don't care to acknowledge the content from it. Move then, as you no excuse to sit around and watching something so terrible to you. Luthandorius said: What you are saying sounds more like a fanboy that wants to defend his anime. Actually I wanted to just say that I dropped it and did not like it but if you want to start long discussions and insult me ("not using the brain" sounded a bit like an insult) I obviously need to defend myself. Sorry but that just sound like a poor excuse to hanging around and start pointless arguments that well get nobody nowhere because in reality you can't accept others not agreeing with you. If you think your views are valid you shouldn't need defend yourself and just drop show altogether. Caring about what some anonymous strangers might think about you is dumb and very strange. And turning around insulting removes any so called moral ground you had. |
Iron_MawMay 25, 2016 8:07 AM
Luthandorius said: Actually I am using my brain and I often watch a lot of other shows that require you to use it. The show is just bad. If they wanted to convey something like that they should at least create the atmosphere for it. I mean it is normal to not notice stuff if you are about to fall asleep while watching the episode. Other anime like the masterpiece Madoka for example are good very good at it with the happy magical girls and the negative stuff where they create a good atmosphere. But the behaviour of the main char itself is just ruining everything. More "deep" moments where he is thinking with some sad music. That could made it better. That got nothing to do with "spoon feeding". If it is bad it is just bad. Nothing I can do about it. It is more like ordering something to eat and then complaining to the cook that he cooked some super high qualiy meat too long so it isn't edible anymore. (High quality meat = the story potential of this anime. Cook = Author/Script writers that do a bad job.) What you are saying sounds more like a fanboy that wants to defend his anime. Actually I wanted to just say that I dropped it and did not like it but if you want to start long discussions and insult me ("not using the brain" sounded a bit like an insult) I obviously need to defend myself. I hope I won't get quoted again and this post can finish the topic for me now. With "hardcore otaku" I obviously meant the guy. I mean I would not consider it normal to act like that in our real life outside towards other people. I did not want to insult other people here on the forums. Normally watching anime and liking it or being an otaku and even buying merchandise (only then I would consider someone otaku if he really is dedicated and also buying tons of stuff - I am not an otaku I only watch anime and don't buy merchandise) is normal. But the bevahiour where you think and act like the real life was an anime is not normal/healthy. But that is better kept for some other threads where this could be discussed. I don't think there exist lots of people like that. They would have problems in social interaction with others then and imo it would not be wrong to call it a "problem" then. "Without Love, it Cannot be Seen." Flashback to episode 1, where his eyes are blank and dead - until he arrives in the new world, his eyes light up and he gets right into it. He's not just your ordinary otaku, it was never mentioned that he was one. The only things we know is that he was a previous hikkikomori, who apparently had some form of reason to not go to school. Despite this, he consistently worked out back at home, so this already takes him off the path of a 'typical otaku'. To me, it seems you just have bad affinity with characters that run chatterbox, happy-go lucky personalities as their facade. |
hailanthMay 25, 2016 8:03 AM
| Here I even make it look pretty, only for you :) |
FappaMay 25, 2016 8:12 AM
| I love it when people say "it's not realistic because he doesn't behave like a normal person" THAT'S THE POINT. HE'S NOT A NORMAL PERSON. Some of you seem to assume that every character is a perfectly sane person and don't start thinking about the reasons behind the way they act until you see their backstory. This show won't give you entire episodes dedicated to someone's backstory. Its storytelilng is more natural and is built through foreshadowing and subtle hints. You have to pay attention. People who still say Subaru is too hyper and annoying after watching Episode 8 were clearly not paying attention. |
| @Fappa Lol I'll give you an "A" for effort. Don't think you will do much good with that type of guy, but at least you argument is sound. Vinyet said: I love it when people say "it's not realistic because he doesn't behave like a normal person" It's more like "he doesn't act exactly like me so he's not realistic!" hogwash. Nevermind that "normal person" is so vague defined to begin with. Last time I checked humanity wasn't a hivemind or collective and actually differing individual personalities. |
Iron_MawMay 25, 2016 8:19 AM
Jagd84 said: @Fappa Lol I'll give you an "A" for effort. Don't think you will do much good with that type of guy, but at least you argument is sound. Yeah I've also realized that I talk more or less talk to a wall at that point but there's still some part of me that hopes :D |
| What indeed is a 'normal person' anyway? Everyone is different and their ways of dealing with certain situations are different as well. |
| Well if I were a hater I would rate it 1 and not being that kind to give it still 5 despite it being that much crap. Makes more sense to call people that score it 9 or 10 fanboys. ;) End of discussion for me. I need to do other stuff and don't have time to waste like you and replying again and quoting all your text would probably only make you reply again and force me to reace. So I decide to be the wiser one and stop this for now. - As I already said: I dropped it and just wanted to give my final comment. But some people really feel the need to defend their favorite anime all the time if anyone is not giving it 10. ;) |
| Each to their own. You'll be missing out. o7 |
Luthandorius said: Well if I were a hater I would rate it 1 and not being that kind to give it still 5 despite it being that much crap. Makes more sense to call people that score it 9 or 10 fanboys. ;) End of discussion for me. I need to do other stuff and don't have time to waste like you and replying again and quoting all your text would probably only make you reply again and force me to reace. So I decide to be the wiser one and stop this for now. - As I already said: I dropped it and just wanted to give my final comment. But some people really feel the need to defend their favorite anime all the time if anyone is not giving it 10. ;) No one said that you are one, I even said I will refrain from going on that level but you seem to crave for it to happen :). Ah so even though I didn't address your rating at all and especially not reduce you to simply that, you choose to address mine and many other's coupled with a good old insult, wonderful. Oh well, what did I expect. Once someone doesn't know his/her way out he/she accesses to measures like this. If you didn't realize it this is a discussion thread and we two had a discussion. So if replying on a discussion about your reasoning for your opinion is a waste of time then you fail to see the purpose of said thread. If we had a pointless banter filled with curse words then yes I'd agree you'd be the wiser one with this decision. But since this is absolutely not the case, you're simply escaping a discussion because you probably don't know how to respond and justify your reasoning anymore. At this point you appear to others as too closed for something other than your point of view ( note that I'm still talking about your reasoning for your opinion not your opinion to drop it itself ). Yes and as I already said I acknowledge that you're dropping it. All I simply did was pointing out that your reasoning makes no sense regarding the overwhelming counter arguments the show delivers by itself. That last sentence is filled with prejudices and misinterpretations, jesus. First of all I don't see the need to defend anything since one mere person dropping has about as much impact as a dry fart on a hot summer day, doesn't matter if it is you or me or "Norman Normal" anime veteran ever since 1990. What I did wasn't defending a show but discussing your reasoning for your opinion in a discussion thread. And at last bringing up the rating again brings me to my earlier point. Not only do you start to bring up a rating that wasn't even criticized but you also use it on a level of argumentation that takes this down the drain. |
FappaMay 25, 2016 8:51 AM
| Y'all have a lot of free time. Anyways, very excited for next week episode!! 😇 |
| Down on the West Coast They got a sayin' |
| Looking at this conversation, I recall my discussion with one user I had concering foreshadowing. He doubted my reasoning, then I gave him ~25 moments where foreshadowing is used in the first four episodes. |
Bernkishi07May 25, 2016 9:34 AM
Re:Zero nice troll ending.  |
| Well they need something to do till the new episode. :) I wonder now if there is anything he can do/say so Rem that wouldn't kill him. Like, is it even possible to reason with an ogre/oni socially? Apparently ogres are borderline good/evil in the Japanese myth, like between heaven and hell, right? She seems dead set on killing him regardless of her alignment though. Maybe by killing him, she saves herself in the end. |
Jagd84 said: I've noticed you've been posting in this thread a lot; justifying any negative criticism this show get from it's viewers. I just want to tell you that there is more to life than being an internet lawyer. The world is such a wondeful place. Go out, make friends, and see how fun it is to have a life. Just like what Mark Twain said "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do, so throw off the bowlines, sail away from safe harbor, catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore, Dream, Discover." Isn't that such an inspirational quote? I hope this brings you enlightenment and seek the beautiful words of the lord almighty Allah, Buddha's lovely virgin wife. Hoping for you to be strong and motivated as you face the hurdles in your life.Xynic said: Why is everyone so hotheaded? cant they just chill and talk this out lol. But seriously though the characters are so annoying. How many times have Subaru died again? I lost count already. He seriously sucks at this thing called staying alive. The last part when he said he loves them is so cheesy. I probably made an ugly cringing face when he said that. 7 in total and guess what? He'll likely die more in the future for various reasons because that's part of premise of title. He's number of deaths really isn't important compared to circumstances behnd them anyway. And who's being hotheaded here? Every single character except for Subaru (due to stress) was chill/normal. @Fai, thanks for the images. -a friend |
"I have been wielding a blade since before your were swimming around your father's scrotum." - Kurou |
So, another great episode. I see how Subaru breaks in tears and lets his worries wash away thanks to Emilia. In moments like this we can see how vulnerable the MC is. He’s not a chosen one, or invincible character. He has weaknesses too, and by showing us this helps us to understand him better. The contrast of him using this “happy and optimistic” mask while working and then removing it when alone was well done. I have not much to say, in fact, I have no complains as the series has been developing at a good pace, good plot management, direction, everything in fact. |
| Yusukue Kobayashi's voice acting this episode was superb. From the struggles in Subaru's mind compared to what he was letting on to when he finally broke down was a pleasure to experience 😊 |
| I really hope that Subaru doesn't have to reset again. It would be very terrible for Emilia to forget that lap pillow moment. |
 At least justify your opinions instead of just saying "it's my opinion". It would've been more polite. |
| The lap pillow. It's the lap pillow. :____DD The episode was funny, but I hope he'll be able to figure things out and won't die. We've been watching the same things over and over for way too long. |
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| So can someone tell my how much of the light novel will the anime cover without spoiling anything to me ? |
Fodshello said: So can someone tell my how much of the light novel will the anime cover without spoiling anything to me ? Most likely all currently existing volume including volume 9 that releases during the airing time. Or in other words the entirety of arc 3. |
Yes arc has over a million words which is many times more than the entire Harry Potter series or the Bible If I recall correctly. ColdBreeze said: It's pretty long, yes. But if I remember right Arc 4 > Arc1+2+3. Exactly. Arc 4 is the longest currently existing arc with ~1,5 million words. |
| I thought the actual LN was only 8 books long so far. The korean translations I saw were up to ln 7 and i'm currently reading them (at book 3 still, i'll probably be done by the end of the week tho). So shouldn't Arc 4 after LN edits be far less in words maybe? :V |
hailanth said: I thought the actual LN was only 8 books long so far. The korean translations I saw were up to ln 7 and i'm currently reading them (at book 3 still, i'll probably be done by the end of the week tho). So shouldn't Arc 4 after LN edits be far less in words maybe? :V It is, but volume 9 will release soon. The LN edits cut out some dialogue that isn't quite necessary but it also adds some scene that give character development. So yeah it will be a tad shorter but not by a lot since the WN make it mostly unchanged into the LN :) |
| Oh my god this was a beautiful episode, and he didn't die!! |
Fappa said: I think it's clear now that ever since he died the first time in this mansion this overly happy personality of his was merely an act to cope with the traumatizing experiences. And as we saw in this episode this can only bring you that far, sooner or later you break under the pressure. Still I wonder how many people rolled their eyes because of his attitude just to get hit in the guts when we saw how this was an over the top act he put up caused by his mental damage. Rather than annoyance, I felt really bad for him because he was obviously falling apart and trying to hold it all together. I was relieved when Emilia came to the rescue. |
iRels said: Razi_N said: Rather than annoyance, I felt really bad for him because he was obviously falling apart and trying to hold it all together. I was relieved when Emilia came to the rescue. I don't think that's exactly the way I see it... He seemed to be behaving that way since he appeared in the fantasy world. In the mansion what was clear to me is that he had accumulated too much stress; he then broke down in Emilia's lap. But he wasn't putting up a façade: he was really enjoying himself with Emilia and the others. To say that he was putting a façade, is to say that he was actually not - which is certainly not the case. Because, HOW could he? Except for the deaths, he's getting everything that he ever wanted. There's no way that he'd not be satisfied with it; thus, feeling happy about it. Definition of façade: "an outward appearance that is maintained to conceal a less pleasant or creditable reality." With everything repeating, coupled with him having to worry about finding out who his killer is, it then became challenging, as it normally would, to behave as joyously many other times, the way did the first few times. (But still not too much - as Emilia and the others were capable of making him feel pleased enough with their company.) But he thought that he had to. He believed that it was necessary to act normally (the way he always acted). The reason was that he didn't want to worry the residents--with troubles he considered his, only. He didn't want the 'unwanted stuff' to ruin his moments with the others, because he considered those moments too precious for him. He did it for them. What you're describing in your last paragraph is a façade. You're arguing about semantics. His "less pleasant/credible reality" is his inner frustration and sadness that he's trying to hide from the others. As in, he's putting up a façade. This does not mean he can't have a happy personality. He's always been an optimistic, go-lucky guy. It's also possible he developed this personality to handle things he's had to endure before we met him. There's been a lot of small hints on how he's been having an internal conflict after his time loops began. His breakdowns were just the obvious ones. I don't buy your first argument. It's obvious he was enjoying himself in the mansion, which is why he's trying so hard to fix this whole situation. This is why he's putting up a façade, he doesn't want to worry them. The façade and his enjoyment isn't related. His suffering is the reason for his façade. The "I feel sick" while he was trying to smile makes this obvious, imo. |
Ninjasander said: iRels said: I don't think that's exactly the way I see it... He seemed to be behaving that way since he appeared in the fantasy world. In the mansion what was clear to me is that he had accumulated too much stress; he then broke down in Emilia's lap. But he wasn't putting up a façade: he was really enjoying himself with Emilia and the others. To say that he was putting a façade, is to say that he was actually not - which is certainly not the case. Because, HOW could he? Except for the deaths, he's getting everything that he ever wanted. There's no way that he'd not be satisfied with it; thus, feeling happy about it. Definition of façade: "an outward appearance that is maintained to conceal a less pleasant or creditable reality." With everything repeating, coupled with him having to worry about finding out who his killer is, it then became challenging, as it normally would, to behave as joyously many other times, the way did the first few times. (But still not too much - as Emilia and the others were capable of making him feel pleased enough with their company.) But he thought that he had to. He believed that it was necessary to act normally (the way he always acted). The reason was that he didn't want to worry the residents--with troubles he considered his, only. He didn't want the 'unwanted stuff' to ruin his moments with the others, because he considered those moments too precious for him. He did it for them. What you're describing in your last paragraph is a façade. You're arguing about semantics. His "less pleasant/credible reality" is his inner frustration and sadness that he's trying to hide from the others. As in, he's putting up a façade. This does not mean he can't have a happy personality. He's always been an optimistic, go-lucky guy. It's also possible he developed this personality to handle things he's had to endure before we met him. There's been a lot of small hints on how he's been having an internal conflict after his time loops began. His breakdowns were just the obvious ones. That part I find hard to believe. He's living by himself. I don't think he'd care enough about developing such a personality where it wouldn't have any use... Were that the case, he'd even act that way in the real world - while paying the clerk. At the grocery store he appears depressed. He's no reason to hide it. Nor I'd believe that he'd find the motivation to... He's been himself since I saw him for the first time. It was simply not the best of him. The best was shown in the fantasy world. I don't buy your first argument. It's obvious he was enjoying himself in the mansion, which is why he's trying so hard to fix this whole situation. This is why he's putting up a façade, he doesn't want to worry them. The façade and his enjoyment isn't related. His suffering is the reason for his façade. The "I feel sick" while he was trying to smile makes this obvious, imo. Yes, but the way I saw the 'façade' being used, it appeared it meant that he was feeling as bad as shown in the 'I feel sick' the whole time. It wasn't that bad. His previous misfortunes were building up to that moment, but I don't believe that they were affecting him enough. Because if they were, they would then be getting in the way of his enjoyment - which is what I think would normally happen. It'd be shown in his face, at least. (Subaru's an ordinary gamer, not a professional actor.) So it seems that something happened in episode 8 that increased his fear too much. At the point of making him paranoid. Resulting in a (too obvious) façade/overacting. Before it wasn't shown to be so bad - not in his daily routine there, working. He seemed to have been acting more carefree, then. What I believe then is that he wasn't really getting affected by the bad experiences. He was being capable of ignoring them too well... Not caring enough. They were simply, not getting in his way. But it's like the author predicted this, then forced more fear on him. Because in episode 8 it became too intense. As if something had triggered it. And something should have... Here's him motivated and confident: Here's him conscious about his worries, but not getting affected by them: (It's in scenes like these, that he's proven to not be putting up a façade. He's simply not bothered enough.) Here he's truly cheerful: He's then reminded...: And...: Now the rest where he starts getting paranoid. Then subsequently breaks on Emilia's lap. Then feels refreshed. Admits that he's cornered. And lastly, has his hopes restored by now having a lead. So, wasn't it at episode 6 that he got killed by Rem? Oh that was when she revealed herself... Then in episode 7, he killed himself, and in the same episode, she was killed... He couldn't even try to do anything; it all just happened... It was an instant failure. Then in the next episode he became aware of much more than he did before. He now fears Rem, Ram, Roswaal... So much happened in the last minutes of episode 6, till the end of episode 7... It's where it actually began. It's when he should've felt more uncomfortable near the residents... Because before, they were innocent in his eyes... Well, they still are, because he believes in them... But now he knows that he should fear them. Even in a good part of the first half of episode 8 he was still quite comfortable with his situation. But it appeared that change was necessary. Even so, in the next episode he'll continue to be himself. He'll get over it. And the story will continue... He'll not be putting a façade. He'll still enjoy his moments. |
removed-userMay 26, 2016 1:38 AM
Fappa said: Fodshello said: So can someone tell my how much of the light novel will the anime cover without spoiling anything to me ? Most likely all currently existing volume including volume 9 that releases during the airing time. Or in other words the entirety of arc 3. so the anime won't cover all the LN arcs :\ that's kinda sad i heard it has about 6 arcs ..? or am i mistaken ? |
Fodshello said: Fappa said: Most likely all currently existing volume including volume 9 that releases during the airing time. Or in other words the entirety of arc 3. so the anime won't cover all the LN arcs :\ that's kinda sad i heard it has about 6 arcs ..? or am i mistaken ? It covers all the existing LN arcs. But the WN is way more advanced in the story. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
| Some more: This scene was shown before this one: Oh I really paid no attention... So his previously built up confidence was shattered by what he had learned... He appeared to have been interested in fighting as an option to defeat his opponents... He could held Elsa back for a while... But if he were to be blinded, he knows that he'd stand no chance. So that knowledge could've contributed to his 'falling into despair.' |
Sometimes791 said: Fodshello said: so the anime won't cover all the LN arcs :\ that's kinda sad i heard it has about 6 arcs ..? or am i mistaken ? It covers all the existing LN arcs. But the WN is way more advanced in the story. ohh i get it now .. thanks |
iRels said: Ninjasander said: What you're describing in your last paragraph is a façade. You're arguing about semantics. His "less pleasant/credible reality" is his inner frustration and sadness that he's trying to hide from the others. As in, he's putting up a façade. This does not mean he can't have a happy personality. He's always been an optimistic, go-lucky guy. It's also possible he developed this personality to handle things he's had to endure before we met him. There's been a lot of small hints on how he's been having an internal conflict after his time loops began. His breakdowns were just the obvious ones. That part I find hard to believe. He's living by himself. I don't think he'd care enough about developing such a personality where it wouldn't have any use... Were that the case, he'd even act that way in the real world - while paying the clerk. At the grocery store he appears depressed. He's no reason to hide it. Nor I'd believe that he'd find the motivation to... He's been himself since I saw him for the first time. It was simply not the best of him. The best was shown in the fantasy world. I don't buy your first argument. It's obvious he was enjoying himself in the mansion, which is why he's trying so hard to fix this whole situation. This is why he's putting up a façade, he doesn't want to worry them. The façade and his enjoyment isn't related. His suffering is the reason for his façade. The "I feel sick" while he was trying to smile makes this obvious, imo. Yes, but the way I saw the 'façade' being used, it appeared it meant that he was feeling as bad as shown in the 'I feel sick' the whole time. It wasn't that bad. His previous misfortunes were building up to that moment, but I don't believe that they were affecting him enough. Because if they were, they would then be getting in the way of his enjoyment - which is what I think would normally happen. It'd be shown in his face, at least. (Subaru's an ordinary gamer, not a professional actor.) So it seems that something happened in episode 8 that increased his fear too much. At the point of making him paranoid. Resulting in a (too obvious) façade/overacting. Before it wasn't shown to be so bad - not in his daily routine there, working. He seemed to have been acting more carefree, then. What I believe then is that he wasn't really getting affected by the bad experiences. He was being capable of ignoring them too well... Not caring enough. They were simply, not getting in his way. But it's like the author predicted this, then forced more fear on him. Because in episode 8 it became too intense. As if something had triggered it. And something should have... Here's him motivated and confident: Here's him conscious about his worries, but not getting affected by them: (It's in scenes like these, that he's proven to not be putting up a façade. He's simply not bothered enough.) Here he's truly cheerful: He's then reminded...: And...: Now the rest where he starts getting paranoid. Then subsequently breaks on Emilia's lap. Then feels refreshed. Admits that he's cornered. And lastly, has his hopes restored by now having a lead. So, wasn't it at episode 6 that he got killed by Rem? Oh that was when she revealed herself... Then in episode 7, he killed himself, and in the same episode, she was killed... He couldn't even try to do anything; it all just happened... It was an instant failure. Then in the next episode he became aware of much more than he did before. He now fears Rem, Ram, Roswaal... So much happened in the last minutes of episode 6, till the end of episode 7... It's where it actually began. It's when he should've felt more uncomfortable near the residents... Because before, they were innocent in his eyes... Well, they still are, because he believes in them... But now he knows that he should fear them. Even in a good part of the first half of episode 8 he was still quite comfortable with his situation. But it appeared that change was necessary. Even so, in the next episode he'll continue to be himself. He'll get over it. And the story will continue... He'll not be putting a façade. He'll still enjoy his moments. His fear has been shown multiple times in the show. Once in episode 4 (or 5) when he's talking to Emilia. He has quite the serious expression. She notices this. Later, Beatrice comments on how his hand has stopped shaking. You have to notice all the subtle cues the show has given us regarding his mental state. The breakdown in ep 7 and 8 have been built up to. He has not been ignoring it. Like the scene in the store at the beginning that you mention. You can see he gets a bit sad after seeing the couple walking outside. Giving us clues that he might feel very lonely with his current life. He might live alone, but he's still a high school student. He is not completely isolated from the world My comment regarding his life before is just speculation on my part, but it is definitely a personality he could've developed as a coping mechanism. Just because he doesn't act the same way around the clerk, does not devalue my argument. It's obvious, to me, that he is someone who wants to be liked, which is why he has developed such a happy and jokey personality. The incidents are getting in the way of his enjoyment. He's trying to make everything work, but he keeps getting back at square one. That is why he breaks. Of course he'll enjoy all the small moments, but all the resets are slowly getting to him as well. Culminating in ep 7 and 8 for now. I think you are misunderstanding what we're saying when we say he's using a façade. We're not calling his personality fake. He is just hiding all his pent up emotions. A façade he breaks when he cries in Emilia's lap in the latest episode. A façade is a wall you show your friends while hiding the negative emotions behind it. The "wall" is still going to be a part of you, but you're hiding the hole picture. You seem to be agreeing with us, but we're arguing about semantics. |
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