Super Lovers Episode 1 Discussion

kurokitty-mimi said:

I could live with shotacon, it's the fact that it's actually a kid and the age gap that bothers me

gente said:


And did you just say nobody has to care about LGBT issues when it's fictional? Lol.

atrophaneurae said:

Helbram said:
You do realize what shotacon is right?

Ioryogi-kun said:

Now that you're bringing it up, the both of them are exactly like Rin and Yukio... Interesting. And yeah, it couldn't be helped, especially since Sensei herself likes her MCs look younger than they actually are (Shino, Ren, Takara...)

Now I'm off to read the newly released chapter 24 XD

kurokitty-mimi said:


A shota is the male counterpart of a loli; someone that looks younger than they really are, thus being considered cute.

There's a difference in looking younger and actually being younger.

Helbram said:
There's a big difference between Shota and ShotaCON too. Quoting wikipedia: "Shotacon (ショタコン shotakon?), short for Shōtarō complex (正太郎コンプレックス shōtarō konpurekkusu?), is Japanese slang describing an ATTRACTION TO YOUNG BOYS".
A character being attracted to and romancing people with childlike bodies is still the same concept as a character being attracted to children by the way. With the exception of maturity there is really no difference and unless the character attracted to the shota actually knows him, they can't tell he is a teen / adult.

Helenus said:


I said two things:

1. Most BL mangaka don't care about LGBT rights.

This explains itself. Just browse trough the BL section. A lot of titles are sex focused. And even those with a plot seldom touch LGBT rights (except for the trope 'fly to the U.S. to marry' et al.).

2. BL mangaka don't have to promote LGBT rights in their works.

A manga isn't the place to discuss politics. It's a fictional work for entertainment. Considering the situation in Japan, LGBT rights aren't that important there. They cherish their traditional values. And they have every right to do so.

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Addendum: Yes, I still don't care if people change their minds to agree with me. I just like to debunk obvious nonsense. If people are creeped out, so be it. I just don't understand a) why they even watch it and b) why they bother to state that they're creeped out a million times.


[Please excuse my English, it's not my first language.]

lov_lymj said:
I might've been traumatized by all the bad Yaoi, Yuri, Shounen Ai and Shoujo Manga I've read along the way, but this is actually one of the good ones out there hence why it's really popular internationally and in Japan. Sure some aspects are irky and could've been better left out. But overall it's definitely not pedophilia or Ren getting abused by any of them and doesn't deserve the complains and the horrible ANN reviews. It was Haru and his family who showed him the outside world, who took care of him, who helped overcome his trauma and who made him happy for the first time after he lost his parents. Haru never pressured Ren into anything. Their bond at first was merely one of two close brothers. And no it's no pedophilia. Bc if it is thx for saying my lesbian sister (who is 6 years older than me) and I are in that kind of relationship and she is pedo. She used to kiss me when we were younger before going to sleep saying I was cute and even now we are pretty close and hug daily and I used to sleep in her bed all the time. It's pretty normal for close siblings. Just saying.

Anyway back to the plot. It was Ren who wanted more than a pure brother bond and who fell for Haru. Just like how in a lot of Shoujo Manga the female character fell for her 8 year older (asshole) step brother or for her adoptive brother whom she is very close to or a guy who later turns out to be her (step) brother whom she met 15 years ago or a 15 year older teacher, the love of her life, and something along those cliches. It happens all the time in romance manga and it's nothing new so why is it here different? Why is is worth mentioning and accusing Haru of being a pedo? Haru never pressured Ren into anything and he even forgot about him for years. He even refused Ren's moves a couple of time saying his feelings are only brotherly and his confession. He didn't want more and when he realised his feelings he tried to fight them. Even after dating, except for hugging, a few kisses once in a blue moon and sleeping together (which is normal for a couple or even some siblings), he never once laid his hands on Ren or forced him himself on him. No, even when Ren tried to give him a BJ he pushed him away saying he is still too young. Or when Ren tries to have sex with him (he grew pretty desperate at the age of 17) he stands by his morals and beliefs and flats out tells him "no, only when you are fully ready and grown up", unlike a lot of other Manga characters who give in halfway - much to Ren's displease I must add. They are just in love and that's that, there is nothing more and they aren't even doing anything that comes remarkable close to Biko No Pico. The furthest they have gone was a Handjob which is considerably slow progress at that age where students usually already have sex with younger or older ppl. Like me with a 20 year old experienced guy (I was 14 back then), but o/c let's say it not normal and we are all angels who have never dated older ppl. It's gross.

So for all the ppl who have complains, you should all read the manga first before accusing it of something that isn't there. This is literally one of the most slowly,, well developed, bitter sweetly progressing Yaoi/Shounen Ai's out there which till now didn't even lead to the sex scene ppl are freaking out about.

The only thing that sucks is that Ren looks so young for his age, but I can't say anything against that as I look like 15 for a 22 year old girl and my boyfriend is 25.

NemuriNezumi said:
...doesn't deserve the complains and the horrible ANN reviews.

Helenus said:


Then please NEVER watch Boku no Pico. Even in the Super Lovers manga you'll never see something as disgusting as in the first BnP OVA. To be correct there aren't even that much 'erotic scenes' in Super Lovers. The manga has - I think - 9 volumes in sale. And there are - approximately - 3 erotic scenes (I don't talk about explicit sex by the way).

People should really give this title a chance. It is one of the few yaoi manga that actually has a plot. But many viewers will never come to the point where they like the plot because all the do is scream: 'eeh it's a kid and a man!1!111!'.

This is not shotacon. PERIOD.