| First off, I'm going to say that I like Kouko quite a bit (then again, I also like the other characters as well since, well, they all have their moments), so this is definitely going to be biased one way or another (not like that's supposed to be much of a surprise or anything). I personally don't understand the hate for Kouko. She seems very realistic (you know, compared to most anime characters anyway) and is very insecure it seems. I mean, sure she has stalker tendencies, clingy habits and she'll exaggerate her emotions, but seriously, a LOT of people are like this (okay, maybe not so much on the stalking part) and you know what? Most people do it subconsciously and some are completely unaware of this. I mean, Kouko seems to have trust issues. That sparks not only more insecurity in her heart, but causes her to doubt Banri's fidelity and will stalk him. She also seems to dislike herself and is not confident in her abilities. Like, really, she constantly tries to woo Banri over, and she's competing against Linda, someone that she really admires. She must really love Banri to have to confront her insecurities in order to win him over. She's making a great effort to fix her problem spots, but the hardest part about doing that is admitting that you have flaws, and man, imagining horrible things about yourself only brings your self-esteem down even lower. I speak from personal experience (again, not the stalking part). I have low self-esteem (like most) and my fair share of insecurities. I have trust issues, and I feel lonely quite often. I always have a desire for attention (seriously, a LOT of people do), but I'm even weaker than Kouko in a way where I won't try to fix my flaws because it's scary and it's hard. It's hard confronting yourself and it really takes a lot of work to do something about it. Kouko fears abandonment and rejection, and that's a really normal thing. I feel like a lot of people hate her because some people are just way too focused on imagining what it would be like if they were going out with Kouko (as weird as it may sound). Creepy stalker chick? No one wants that, right? God, I swear, a lot of girls are like Kouko, but they don't display it as often (if at all) like Kouko. TL;DR: You suck, my opinion is right and yours is obviously wrong. This is the internet. I'll keep debating until you realize that Kouko is best girl. |
| I have to agree with this! I honest to God cannot understand why there's so much hate for Kouko. I like both Kouko and Linda, and I'm constantly under debate as to which one I want Banri with. That doesn't make me dislike either one though. I feel as though the hate for Kouko is there because she's not like your other typical anime girls, and like you said, is very realistic. Trust issues, clinginess, extremely emotional; all those are what make her unique and what makes me like her. Doesn't make me hate her. It's like she has two sides, just like in RL: the outside personality everyone sees, whom is pretty much perfect and beautiful, then the other personality she shows only to those she loves (Banri, the other guy I can't remember his name ATM) which is insecure and all. I seriously love Kouko, as I look back on your post and my post, now more so than Linda. Don't get me wrong, I'm still rooting for both of them, but the fact that Kouko is so normal (in a RL sense) is just making me want to root for her. |
| She seems very realistic ...stop right there. |
| Imo, Kouko is the most interesting character in Golden Time. I don't hate Linda but she is kinda boring'. |
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Smooched said: She seems very realistic ...stop right there. (you know, compared to most anime characters anyway) I'd prefer to stop here. |
| I don't get the hate for Kouko either. She's both the most complex and most interesting character in Golden Time IMO. |
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| I personally like Kouko alot. ut i do like Linda alot too. But a bit more on Kouko with these recent episodes. |
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Smooched said: She seems very realistic ...stop right there. Are you really going to say she isn't realistic? Lmfao |
iVtechboyinpa said: Trust issues, clinginess, extremely emotional; all those are what make her unique and what makes me like her. ...but the fact that Kouko is so normal (in a RL sense) is just making me want to root for her. Viewer delusion of normal. That's not normal, that's a personality problem when it affects your relationships and interactions with peers. The fact she is making strides to correct the qualities you describe as "normal" and "unique" kinda says something. These people are in their 20s...but I digress (I'm 26). Every girl in this show has issues. There is no winner here. The problem with Kouko is she is a fanatic borderline bi polar girl. She's an emotional roller coaster and it's frustrating to watch. The whole insecurity thing is brought on by herself. For me personally, my tolerance for not rectifying a problem you see in yourself (whether it's in a fictional world or nonfictional) is only excusable for so long. She throws herself too many pity parties and sucks in those around her while resting on that crutch. But, she's making some strides it seems. She is a loyal girl, a pro. She has no life outside of Banri, a huge con. In the end, I don't really care. We are at ep 19 and it feels like there hasn't been anything to really sink your teeth into. That's just me. |
| She gets just as much love as she gets hate. Its kinda built into how they made her character. She is meant to bring out rather polar opinions of her. |
Tokitou said: Smooched said: She seems very realistic ...stop right there. (you know, compared to most anime characters anyway) I'd prefer to stop here. What the heck does that even imply? Are you comparing Kouko to Naruto in terms of your definition or realistic?? You double talk and contradict yourself consistently. Just read this shit: She seems very realistic (you know, compared to most anime characters anyway) and is very insecure it seems. I mean, sure she has stalker tendencies, clingy habits and she'll exaggerate her emotions, but seriously, a LOT of people are like this (okay, maybe not so much on the stalking part) and you know what? Most people do it subconsciously and some are completely unaware of this. |
TheGrandSage23 said: Smooched said: She seems very realistic ...stop right there. Are you really going to say she isn't realistic? Lmfao In what way is she realistic? The whole appeal with her is she is unrealistic. A clingy hot girl with obsessive tendencies gunning for some run of the mill guy? That's a pipe dream for you guys. |
| At least Koko has grown a bit,and continue doing that,despite Linda who's rather boring and annoying. |
iAlice said: At least Koko has grown a bit,and continue doing that,despite Linda who's rather boring and annoying. Your comparing a lead character who has 10x the screen time to a side character who doesn't even appear in a fair amount of episodes? Logic |
Smooched said: What the heck does that even imply? Are you comparing Kouko to Naruto in terms of your definition or realistic?? You double talk and contradict yourself consistently. Just read this shit: She seems very realistic (you know, compared to most anime characters anyway) and is very insecure it seems. I mean, sure she has stalker tendencies, clingy habits and she'll exaggerate her emotions, but seriously, a LOT of people are like this (okay, maybe not so much on the stalking part) and you know what? Most people do it subconsciously and some are completely unaware of this. I'm saying that she is realistic in a sense where she actually has depth to her character and development unlike your average love interest in romance shows. Her problems aren't limited to trivial things like, "I hope he notices me even though I don't talk to him!" or "I know he loves me, but what if he breaks up with me because I suck at doing this or that?" but rather, the author goes as far as showing the audience what Kouko is like and what she is feeling. I can really relate to her (not with the stalking thing), and I'd assume there are a lot of traits to her that others can relate to as well. You know, then again, I do have all sorts of problems, lol. (okay, maybe not so much on the stalking part) ^ I was just saying that in comparison to most other female leads in this genre, Kouko is realistic. She's not perfect / super waifu-material like a good handful of other characters. And.... Smooched said: In what way is she realistic? The whole appeal with her is she is unrealistic. A clingy hot girl with obsessive tendencies gunning for some run of the mill guy? That's a pipe dream for you guys. Honestly, I'm not going to aggressively push my opinions on you, but I personally think she's realistic because she has a reason for striving to look beautiful. She wanted to become the perfect bride for Mitsuo. I'll admit that her stalker tendencies (amongst other problems) are heavily exaggerated in the show, likely for dramatic effect, though. Another thing is that I've noticed that a lot of girls don't look pretty solely for other people, but they want to look good for themselves. She loves Banri because he went out of his way to be by her side and he was able to tolerate her creepy behavior. He is your average run-of-the-mill guy, but she likes his personality - and keep in mind that she's never had her eyes on anyone else but Mitsuo for her entire life. |
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| I actually find Koko to be a quite enjoyable character and I wouldn't mind dating someone with a similar personality. I just hate her because I'm on the LindaXBanri ship and we hit an iceberg; also it doesn't look like the lifeboat is going to save all the passengers so some are abandoning ship and swimming over to the KokoXBanri ship. |
dragonlight said: I actually find Koko to be a quite enjoyable character and I wouldn't mind dating someone with a similar personality. I just hate her because I'm on the LindaXBanri ship and we hit an iceberg; also it doesn't look like the lifeboat is going to save all the passengers so some are abandoning ship and swimming over to the KokoXBanri ship. I've always been somewhat of a Kouko x Banri shipper because I felt like it just works, but I like the chemistry Banri had with Linda. The only problem I see is that Linda loves past Banri and past Banri loves Linda. If they got into a relationship, it would be hard for them to adjust because there's a possibility Linda would not be able to fall in love with Banri again - assuming he doesn't regain his memories, that is. Like, the only reason why I think Linda still loves Banri is only because of their times together. Banri still has his old traits, but he's not the exact same person. I know amnesia does not always rid a person of their personality, but you really can't deny that he's different than how he was before. |
Nee-sama said: I mean, sure she has stalker tendencies, clingy habits and she'll exaggerate her emotions, but seriously, a LOT of people are like this (okay, maybe not so much on the stalking part) Aylaine said: Kouko is realistic in the sense that she's growing as a person throughout the series. These 2 basically sum up the gist of my opinion on Koko. Sure she is (in all fairness, I should saw 'was') an annoying person - but she's more realistically so than a number of characters in anime I've come across. What a lot of 'haters' may not realise is how near-accurate this representation is of young adults (girls, more often than not, in my experience). Of all the things to criticise about this show (and there's a few), Koko's characterisation would not be one of them for me. Perhaps the exaggeration of certain things (eg. stalking, hitting Yana) make her seem more irksome, however, I'd attribute that to the very medium of anime and its tropes. The anime could do better with some of the other characters, its pacing and story though, but that's another story for another thread. |
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Aerensianic said: iAlice said: At least Koko has grown a bit,and continue doing that,despite Linda who's rather boring and annoying. Your comparing a lead character who has 10x the screen time to a side character who doesn't even appear in a fair amount of episodes? Logic Yet there are tons of people claiming they like Linda better. He simply told the truth. |
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Nee-sama said: dragonlight said: I've always been somewhat of a Kouko x Banri shipper because I felt like it just works, but I like the chemistry Banri had with Linda. The only problem I see is that Linda loves past Banri and past Banri loves Linda. Actually that's not true and has been stated ad nauseum that Linda only thought of Banri as a friend. They're just friends. There was a moment when that might have happened - the incident with Linda's brother but Banri fumbled the ball there and it never happened. So friends, yes. Lovers no. |
| Well, I don't. In fact, I find her to be the best girl in this anime. |
RightSaidFred said: Nee-sama said: dragonlight said: I've always been somewhat of a Kouko x Banri shipper because I felt like it just works, but I like the chemistry Banri had with Linda. The only problem I see is that Linda loves past Banri and past Banri loves Linda. Actually that's not true and has been stated ad nauseum that Linda only thought of Banri as a friend. They're just friends. There was a moment when that might have happened - the incident with Linda's brother but Banri fumbled the ball there and it never happened. So friends, yes. Lovers no. Actually, it is implied that Linda did have feelings for Banri. |
| In concusion: The greedier a girl is the higher the chance she'll get the boy (wow , it's totally the opposite in real life). Linda is the defeated one. On a serious note.....if you havent read the LN I kinda undestand why you're over your heels for Kouko. Just keep in mind what is written on RoboKouko's bio page about Yana . I know , I might sound insane but you will see if the anime is faithful to the LN. |
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Nee-sama said: Actually, it is implied that Linda did have feelings for Banri. It's only implied in the anime. If you watched the light stick incident you noticed that she was shocked. She did not enjoy it and was apologizing to Koko profusely. The incident in high school only suggests that she felt bad for hurting Banri. They were close friends and she basically told everyone that she does not like him. So how do you think your best friend feels when he or she hears that. And the biggest example of her not being in love with Banri...after high school graduation, when he told her he loved her and asked her if she loved him, she had no response. Gun held to head and she did not say yes. That's the point. At that moment the answer was no. 24 hours later it did not change. Linda has repeatedly said they were only friends. Nothing in her demeanor, look, attitude would suggest otherwise. It's a red herring. Not too mention |
| I don't hate Koko that much right now as oppose during the earlier part of the season, but when you mentioned that Koko seems realistic, I stopped reading. There are a lot of people irl that have insecurity issues and have the tendency to stalk people. But what Koko do is in a degree of unrealism. She doesn't have any self-control.. shouts in public how much he loves Banri (sure, there are some that do this.. but really... almost everyday?) and her low self-esteem contradicts these traits. The exaggeration in Koko might be because this is an anime (anime tropes and all), but there's no way anyone could convince me that Koko is truly realistic. Almost everyone in this show have issues.. silly issues. And if you ask me if who I want Banri to end up with, I say no one! In my opinion, they don't deserve anyone at all. Resolve their personal issues first then start again. |
FluffyFlesh said: In concusion: The greedier a girl is the higher the chance she'll get the boy (wow , it's totally the opposite in real life). Linda is the defeated one. On a serious note.....if you havent read the LN I kinda undestand why you're over your heels for Kouko. Just keep in mind what is written on RoboKouko's bio page about Yana . I know , I might sound insane but you will see if the anime is faithful to the LN. I haven't read the LN, which is exactly why I posted the topic in the anime section, but thanks for letting me know that the anime isn't too faithful to the LN. RightSaidFred said: It's only implied in the anime. If you watched the light stick incident you noticed that she was shocked. She did not enjoy it and was apologizing to Koko profusely. The incident in high school only suggests that she felt bad for hurting Banri. They were close friends and she basically told everyone that she does not like him. So how do you think your best friend feels when he or she hears that. And the biggest example of her not being in love with Banri...after high school graduation, when he told her he loved her and asked her if she loved him, she had no response. Gun held to head and she did not say yes. That's the point. At that moment the answer was no. 24 hours later it did not change. Linda has repeatedly said they were only friends. Nothing in her demeanor, look, attitude would suggest otherwise. It's a red herring. Not too mention There are multiple ways to interpret those scenes, and I understand that Linda might not have had feelings for Banri at all. Really, the more I think about it, the more I agree with your point. Maybe she had a small crush on him because he's just such a hero, but not anything stronger than that. In the end, maybe the reason why she's so attached to Banri now is because she could've lost him back then and she ultimately felt responsible for it. I'm still more of a Kouko x Banri shipper anyway, so I guess it doesn't really matter that much to me. |
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Aerensianic said: iAlice said: At least Koko has grown a bit,and continue doing that,despite Linda who's rather boring and annoying. Your comparing a lead character who has 10x the screen time to a side character who doesn't even appear in a fair amount of episodes? Logic First, you're*. Second,Mitsuo also didn't have that much screen time,but we could see some changes in him,comparing to Linda. Third,so you're a fan of Linda if you're getting so annoyed at just a simply opinion. Nice. |
kawaii-despair said: Aerensianic said: iAlice said: At least Koko has grown a bit,and continue doing that,despite Linda who's rather boring and annoying. Your comparing a lead character who has 10x the screen time to a side character who doesn't even appear in a fair amount of episodes? Logic First, you're*. Second,Mitsuo also didn't have that much screen time,but we could see some changes in him,comparing to Linda. Third,so you're a fan of Linda if you're getting so annoyed at just a simply opinion. Nice. How exactly has Mitsuo's character advanced or matured in any way, shape, or form? He is still exactly the same as he was at the start of the series besides the fact his hair is a different color. Secondly, I don't ship any particular couple because it really doesn't matter to me. If you read my posts for each of the episode you will see me defending most of the characters because frankly it annoys me when people go overboard in attacking character x y or z because they happen to prefer one pairing. Linda is not the focus of this show so of course she isn't going to have as much development as the lead and it is unfair to compare their "development" in such a way and use it as a device to rag on her. 2 out of your 3 arguments are essentially ad hominem that just avoid the issue and your middle argument about Mitsuo is just wrong. |
| Koko is human? OMG!? WHAT? Welp, time to strike her off my waifu list and start cheering for Linda instead. |
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| I have to agree that Kouko is a great character when speaking from a literary standpoint. she's extremely dynamic, and very realistic. That being said she still makes me angry. Her personality type is undeniably infuriating to almost anyone. the dynamic between her (an extremely strong and domineering personality) and Banri (a weak and indecisive personality) is a bit overwhelming. I find it hard to like a romance show if I don't like the main heroine. In this case she even makes me angry, because I know if I met someone like that, I would not have the patience or tolerance for her. Her personality type is upsetting, and quite frankly bitchy. She's just hard to like. That being said, she helps to move the plot along, and makes it interesting. I think personally, that this show should be told from her perspective. It seems to be the general consensus that this story line has a lot to do with Kouko's personal growth and a lot less to do with Banri's. It would also make the love triangle between Kouko, Banri, and Linda more interesting because it is a perspective that is very rarely explored in a seinen genre show. Plus, then the protagonist wouldn't be so wishy-washy and flat. |
Lelouch84 said: seinen genre show Seinen is not a genre. Seinen is DEMOGRAPHICS of MANGA/MAGAZINE. And there is plenty of seinen manga with wishy-washy protagonists. |
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| I think koko is an awesome and realistic character, anyone who has been in relationships can relate right? I don't think it is fair to say how she did this all of a sudden after all her talk, in reality we all go back on words because the situations change. If all the characters were linear and just went with what they said then it would be a really boring anime, this just spices it up. Things like this happen in real life, one person says one thing then they realize what they are getting themselves into, Koko is really just protecting Banri and herself by doing it when he Banri (the non ghost) is still here. It would really suck if she just left it hanging and he turns back into old Banri, think about what she has to go through... I sorta hope that the plot goes on with this trajectory and make it a depressing ending as the "Golden Time" prediction on reddit suggests because it would for sure be legendary on my anime list (hahahah see my pun :X) if that happened. |
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| I don't see the sense of this thread apart from the whole idea of making a fuss about on how the character is likeable or not. What's the point? lol |
Bluuberry said: I don't see the sense of this thread apart from the whole idea of making a fuss about on how the character is likeable or not. What's the point? lol It's mainly a discussion on what people think of Kouko and exploring the type of character she is. There is no purpose to this thread. That aside, it seems like a lot of people dislike her as a person because her personality stinks, but her character is well developed. |
| Anime always over exaggerate personality traits so the viewer explicitly knows what they are all about. If you account for that so that all of those traits are present but not as exaggerated then its not that big of a stretch (although the person in question would not exactly be considered fully mentally mature/healthy). Hell you could find worse out in the real world (albeit rarely). Part of the show is the two leads "working" on themselves so they develop into well adjusted people. |
| I used to hate her at the beginning when she was chasing Yana and was hating on Chinami. But after she and Banri started dating and all those moments they shared, I grew to like her. But someone like that is not at all realistic. But hey, it's anime! |
| People still fighting over Linda not feeling it for Banri,at least in the past? She CLEARLY liked him in the past. There is no "you have no proof" because you too have no proof about the opposite,shes clearly worked under the mindset "its the opposite" so when she was like,he is just a friend,or when she said the answer is clearly no,its actually the opposite. |
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FrozenRemains said: People still fighting over Linda not feeling it for Banri,at least in the past? She CLEARLY liked him in the past. There is no "you have no proof" because you too have no proof about the opposite,shes clearly worked under the mindset "its the opposite" so when she was like,he is just a friend,or when she said the answer is clearly no,its actually the opposite. Can you give legit proof she liked him? |
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