Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
Available on Manga Store
New
What did you think of this episode?
DO NOT discuss the source material beyond this episode. If you want to discuss future events or theories, please use separate threads.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
Aug 10, 2015 5:51 PM
#251
fredchickens said: GSupernova said: My main problem with this episode is that there's no way Adlet escapes after being injured. He lost enough blood to pass out, but left no blood trail from the temple to where he fell. Unless the writer has a very good explanation, that's pretty much an unforgivable plothole. Thank goodness I'm not the only one who realizes that, man they could have trail Adlet easily on with Hans on their group who is an expert at assassination. Adler did not lose any blood, from what I've seen, because he did not pull out the knife. He knew he would lose blood and thus making a trail, that's why he kept the knife there until he's sure he had lost the others. But before he can pull it out and patch himself up, he lost consciousness, probably cuz running for hours with a knife stuck on his back isn't very healthy ;D |
Aug 10, 2015 8:15 PM
#252
Hmm I think the barrier that Adlet saw was fake or an illusion. When Adlet Nache, Goldov and Fremie came to ruins the sword was already in the dais. ( Not activated) I think Nachetanya activated the barrier( real one) when she went crazy destroying the tablet+ when she tried to release the barrier. |
Aug 10, 2015 8:45 PM
#253
L-Ryoshi said: You seem pretty hell-bent on your theory that someone activated the barrier AFTER everyone arrived at the temple. I'm curious... Why is it that you think your theory more plausible than the theory of someone sneaking into the temple during the period during which the guards came out to attack Adlet, Adlet watching the Fiend transform and escape, and then realizing that the fog was already in the air? If you knew how the barrier was activated, and your main objective was to activate the barrier to trap all "7" Rokkas in the barrier to create a situation for them to kill each other, then would you just leave things to a chance mist that just so happened to be in the air? Considering that Adlet was with Nashetania for most of the time previously, and Goldov found her during the exact fight that Adlet ran away from, then when would she have any time to conspire with the Fiends (if she really is the 7th) to perform such an intricate plan? Also, consider this logically, Nashetania's ability is to create multiple blades from her original, how in the world would that create a mist? Same as for Goldov. In fact, the only person I would expect to have the resources to use science to do anything at this moment (as he has done so previously with his bag of tricks) is Adlet. That was exactly how we started to guess it, I even assumed they were 7 and that flamie didn't count. There was not enough time for someone to get in, activate it and get out, as Adlet turned after the fiend was running and the fog started. There was no one hiding there and the explanation that Adlet was the one unsealing the temple seems logical (though he didn't use the key). Assuming what you said happened, of the 7 only Chamot doesn't have an Alibi or you have to assume a 8th person did it (human). It would be wise to have no 7th person if this was the plan, so it doesn't make sense. It would have to be a Saint with powers that we do not know to pull this off, so if this was the case Maura is the fake, as she knows every Saint and said it was impossible. PS - Also now that I saw that clue on the OP, I can't disregard it |
Aug 10, 2015 9:03 PM
#254
belial said: L-Ryoshi said: You seem pretty hell-bent on your theory that someone activated the barrier AFTER everyone arrived at the temple. I'm curious... Why is it that you think your theory more plausible than the theory of someone sneaking into the temple during the period during which the guards came out to attack Adlet, Adlet watching the Fiend transform and escape, and then realizing that the fog was already in the air? If you knew how the barrier was activated, and your main objective was to activate the barrier to trap all "7" Rokkas in the barrier to create a situation for them to kill each other, then would you just leave things to a chance mist that just so happened to be in the air? Considering that Adlet was with Nashetania for most of the time previously, and Goldov found her during the exact fight that Adlet ran away from, then when would she have any time to conspire with the Fiends (if she really is the 7th) to perform such an intricate plan? Also, consider this logically, Nashetania's ability is to create multiple blades from her original, how in the world would that create a mist? Same as for Goldov. In fact, the only person I would expect to have the resources to use science to do anything at this moment (as he has done so previously with his bag of tricks) is Adlet. That was exactly how we started to guess it, I even assumed they were 7 and that flamie didn't count. There was not enough time for someone to get in, activate it and get out, as Adlet turned after the fiend was running and the fog started. There was no one hiding there and the explanation that Adlet was the one unsealing the temple seems logical (though he didn't use the key). Assuming what you said happened, of the 7 only Chamot doesn't have an Alibi or you have to assume a 8th person did it (human). It would be wise to have no 7th person if this was the plan, so it doesn't make sense. It would have to be a Saint with powers that we do not know to pull this off, so if this was the case Maura is the fake, as she knows every Saint and said it was impossible. PS - Also now that I saw that clue on the OP, I can't disregard it Ah, but seeing as none of us really know how the barrier ties in with the fog, can you be absolutely sure that once the barrier comes into play, that the fog will immediately set in instantaneously? Considering that they are in a forest, wouldn't it be more logical that the fog only gradually built up after the barrier went up? Did the soldier explaining to Adlet and Fremy in Ep 3 mention anything about the fog? And what if he had been lying as someone mentioned previously? Also, given that the Saints and other Rokkas have amazing abilities, Would it not be possible that one or more members present have skills that prevent Adlet from detecting them? Hans as an assassin and Fremy as a Rokka-Killer must have some sort of skill like that. What's to say that one or two of the others don't also have such a skill? If that were the case, then there is always the possibility that the moment Adlet released the guards, someone who was watching them fight immediately snuck in and activated the barrier. Note that Adlet first took out the two guards, turned around to watch the Fiend Transform and run away, and he even went and chased after it a bit before the fog started to set in. If there was a delay in the fog, then for sure there would have been enough time for someone to go into the passage, activate the barrier and run out of there without Adlet noticing. And yes, I'm leaning towards Chamo at this moment because she was the only one besides Adlet who is unaccounted for by any of the others. By the way, which clue are you referring to from the OP? Mind sharing? |
L-RyoshiAug 10, 2015 9:09 PM
HESTIAAPPROVES |
Aug 10, 2015 9:25 PM
#255
L-Ryoshi said: You seem pretty hell-bent on your theory that someone activated the barrier AFTER everyone arrived at the temple. I'm curious... Why is it that you think your theory more plausible than the theory of someone sneaking into the temple during the period during which the guards came out to attack Adlet, Adlet watching the Fiend transform and escape, and then realizing that the fog was already in the air? Well, the easiest answer to give is it's more likely because it makes for a better reveal and prevents the master plan from being so easily foiled(for example, if Adlet ever turned around during his fight with the guards while they were slipping into the temple, the whole plan would have failed). |
Aug 10, 2015 11:45 PM
#256
GSupernova said: L-Ryoshi said: You seem pretty hell-bent on your theory that someone activated the barrier AFTER everyone arrived at the temple. I'm curious... Why is it that you think your theory more plausible than the theory of someone sneaking into the temple during the period during which the guards came out to attack Adlet, Adlet watching the Fiend transform and escape, and then realizing that the fog was already in the air? Well, the easiest answer to give is it's more likely because it makes for a better reveal and prevents the master plan from being so easily foiled(for example, if Adlet ever turned around during his fight with the guards while they were slipping into the temple, the whole plan would have failed). Ah, but the fight with the guards lasted little more than a few seconds. What was distracting Adlet for most of the period was the woman turning into a Fiend and running off. Also, as I mentioned, Fremy and Hans should have skills to stealthy remove themselves from others should they need to. What's to say that someone like Chamo can make a camouflage of mud or whatever to hide herself when she sneaks into the temple? Also, wouldn't it be much easier to catch someone when they performed the ritual if everyone is present? Considering at least one or more of the other Rokkas should know how to activate the barrier, if Mora and Hans had arrived before Goldov, Nashetania and Fremy had, then wouldn't the culprit be found out exactly WHEN they activate it? I highly doubt that it was certain that Fremy's party would arrive immediately after Adlet, unless Hans and Mora had been stuck in a trap somewhere else... It was just a lucky coincidence that they weren't present when Adlet and the others were messing with the alter. Also, I recall Fremy running in asking why the barrier had been activated already. this was before Goldov and Nashetania had climbed up the altar. If the barrier hadn't been activated at that time, then why would they be so convinced? Wouldn't they first do what Aldet and Hans did in the previous episode and try to reach the edge of the barrier first to ascertain whether it was really activated? I'm not saying your theory is necessarily wrong, but I'm not discounting any possibilities at this moment. PS: Considering how intricate your hypothesis is right now, wouldn't it be even more of a surprise reveal if they went with the "sneak in" theory in the end, since people are now discounting it? ;) |
HESTIAAPPROVES |
Aug 11, 2015 1:15 AM
#257
GSupernova said: Malise said: Nashetania and Moira. They are royalty. It's fair to expect they to betray their people just to stay in power and would first change sides if Demon God's guaranteed their privileges. Nashetania isn't actually in power. It wasn't overt, but her kingdom seems to have a puppet monarchy similar to Great Britain, that guy who threw Adlet in prison at the start is the real ruler. Jagd84 said: Um first a plot hole is an narrative inconsistency that unintentionally contracts a previously established plot element in the story by the author. Whether Adlet should left a ton of blood or doesn't contradict anything as it isn't very important. The knife itself is acting as wedge to his wound anyway so he's not going to be spilling lots of blood, furthermore he escaped at night into a the surrounding forest which foggy as fuck. You're gonna anybody in that if you can barely see your feet at that time. It shouldn't need be spelled out why they would stop and wait for morning. "A plot hole or plothole is an obvious mistake or missing element in the plot of a fictional work, such as a book, play, film, or TV show. [bThese include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.[/b]" So while you aren't wrong, you aren't right either. And the problem I have with your explanation and others is that you are using evidence that is contradicted by other evidence being used to explain other problems with the escape. For example, the logic behind 'You're gonna anybody in that if you can barely see your feet at that time' is contradicted by the fact that Adlet ran at full speed(beyond human speeds) through a supposedly dense and fog-covered forest, while seriously injured and carrying an adult sized woman over his shoulder without being impeded at all by the very same conditions. This why I feel this detail is such an issue with the plot here - it causes a great deal of inconsistencies that basically have to be ignored to continue forward. ...That is pretty much what I said, furthermore this isn't necessarily a mistake. You just think it is. Changing after Adlet in to dense foggy forest at night not only means they are susceptible to falling into whatever traps he might have just set (like with clatrops in the passageway) but any other that planned before hand. It's reasonable them to stop since they are at disadvantage and start in the morning when there is light. |
Iron_MawAug 11, 2015 4:04 AM
Aug 11, 2015 1:25 AM
#258
Jagd84 said: Nashetania isn't actually in power. It wasn't overt, but her kingdom seems to have a puppet monarchy similar to Great Britain, that guy who threw Adlet in prison at the start is the real ruler She still can try to usurp the throne with help of foreign power and have vengeance against those who went against her during civil war |
Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
Aug 11, 2015 6:11 AM
#260
L-Ryoshi said: Ah, but seeing as none of us really know how the barrier ties in with the fog, can you be absolutely sure that once the barrier comes into play, that the fog will immediately set in instantaneously? But it didn't, it started to build up, wasn't instant. L-Ryoshi said: Also, given that the Saints and other Rokkas have amazing abilities, Would it not be possible that one or more members present have skills that prevent Adlet from detecting them? Hans as an assassin and Fremy as a Rokka-Killer must have some sort of skill like that. What's to say that one or two of the others don't also have such a skill? If that were the case, then there is always the possibility that the moment Adlet released the guards, someone who was watching them fight immediately snuck in and activated the barrier. Note that Adlet first took out the two guards, turned around to watch the Fiend Transform and run away, and he even went and chased after it a bit before the fog started to set in. If there was a delay in the fog, then for sure there would have been enough time for someone to go into the passage, activate the barrier and run out of there without Adlet noticing. And yes, I'm leaning towards Chamo at this moment because she was the only one besides Adlet who is unaccounted for by any of the others. Nope, that would make Maura the fake, as she knows all the saints and said it was impossible. Also, if Chamot did indeed kill the fiend that run away, she couldn't be inside the temple. There's also nothing that points to Chamot, if Chamot wanted to kill them all she would, she wouldn't need the barrier for anything imo (and doesn't know how to activate it). L-Ryoshi said: By the way, which clue are you referring to from the OP? Mind sharing? It's on the previous page: belial said: At first I was assuming there were actually 7 Braves, as Flamie was half-human, half-kyouma, she wouldn't count. Then I read all this thread, the ep didn't get me convinced about an 8th person existing but that talking about Riura made some sense. Anyway, I was doubting Maura and the Bunny Girl (for a lot of reasons already stated ITT). So I decided to rewatch all openings and endings and found this: http://picpaste.com/Belial.Rokka_no_Yuusha_-_05-iCYuAP00.jpg Maura tells us that if a brave dies, a petal disapears, so each petal is assigned to a brave, and they disapear if they die. So if the petals are colored.. =p Assuming I didn't fail guessing their colors: Red - Adlet Dark Blue - Maura Light Blue - Flamie Dark Green - Goldov Light Green - Chamo Yellow - Hans Missng: Bunny Girl (Nashetania) I rewatched the eps and went teorycrafting, but I still found no way for the bunny girl to activate the fog even assuming Riura activating a fake fog, as someone said in here. That panic mode is the key imo, assuming the fog can be activated without saying the words, or her placing the word (as she can control blades and then finishing the ritual on the panic mode (touching the tablet)). But the bunny girl seems like the obvious target, though I have no idea how or what's her motives. Edit: Typos L-Ryoshi said: Also, I recall Fremy running in asking why the barrier had been activated already. Nope, it was the bunny girl and I also found that convenient, because that was why they "tried" deactivating it. L-Ryoshi said: PS: Considering how intricate your hypothesis is right now, wouldn't it be even more of a surprise reveal if they went with the "sneak in" theory in the end, since people are now discounting it? ;) It was regarded as impossible by Hans and Maura, unless you are considering one of them is the fake and the other a traitor. But if this was the case, Maura would have let Chamot kill everyone already |
Aug 11, 2015 6:49 AM
#261
L-Ryoshi said: Ah, but seeing as none of us really know how the barrier ties in with the fog, can you be absolutely sure that once the barrier comes into play, that the fog will immediately set in instantaneously? As none of us are magicians or know about magic we rely on the 7 characters to catch and point out obvious things like that for us. L-Ryoshi said: Considering that they are in a forest, wouldn't it be more logical that the fog only gradually built up after the barrier went up? Gradual doesn't describe the fog we were shown. It was obviously a magical event as fog doesn't work that way, neither the speed or the non-moving wallyness or the circular enclosureyness. The barrier was created by "the fog saint, the illusion saint and the salt saint" so we can assume only those gals can do that sort of thing. L-Ryoshi said: Also, given that the Saints and other Rokkas have amazing abilities, Would it not be possible that one or more members present have skills that prevent Adlet from detecting them? Hans as an assassin and Fremy as a Rokka-Killer must have some sort of skill like that. What's to say that one or two of the others don't also have such a skill? Again we are relying on the character's whose world this is to know if it is possible for someone to create a massive illusion like that and heard about it having happened. As they haven't mentioned it as a possibility it is quite likely impossible. If you're just going to make wild speculation it's just as reasonable to think that one of the 7 just magically generated their own barrier as generated a massive fog illusion. You have to work with the tools the show gives you, you can't just toss in completely random things. L-Ryoshi said: If that were the case, then there is always the possibility that the moment Adlet released the guards, someone who was watching them fight immediately snuck in and activated the barrier. Not nearly enough time even if they were invisible. They would have had to have teleportation or be able to move very very fast and have been waiting for him to blow the door. The most likely explanation is that it was set up before they got there as trap triggered when the door was opened. |
SokahAug 11, 2015 7:16 AM
Aug 11, 2015 7:19 AM
#262
L-Ryoshi said: GSupernova said: L-Ryoshi said: You seem pretty hell-bent on your theory that someone activated the barrier AFTER everyone arrived at the temple. I'm curious... Why is it that you think your theory more plausible than the theory of someone sneaking into the temple during the period during which the guards came out to attack Adlet, Adlet watching the Fiend transform and escape, and then realizing that the fog was already in the air? Well, the easiest answer to give is it's more likely because it makes for a better reveal and prevents the master plan from being so easily foiled(for example, if Adlet ever turned around during his fight with the guards while they were slipping into the temple, the whole plan would have failed). Ah, but the fight with the guards lasted little more than a few seconds. What was distracting Adlet for most of the period was the woman turning into a Fiend and running off. Also, as I mentioned, Fremy and Hans should have skills to stealthy remove themselves from others should they need to. What's to say that someone like Chamo can make a camouflage of mud or whatever to hide herself when she sneaks into the temple? Also, wouldn't it be much easier to catch someone when they performed the ritual if everyone is present? Considering at least one or more of the other Rokkas should know how to activate the barrier, if Mora and Hans had arrived before Goldov, Nashetania and Fremy had, then wouldn't the culprit be found out exactly WHEN they activate it? I highly doubt that it was certain that Fremy's party would arrive immediately after Adlet, unless Hans and Mora had been stuck in a trap somewhere else... It was just a lucky coincidence that they weren't present when Adlet and the others were messing with the alter. Also, I recall Fremy running in asking why the barrier had been activated already. this was before Goldov and Nashetania had climbed up the altar. If the barrier hadn't been activated at that time, then why would they be so convinced? Wouldn't they first do what Aldet and Hans did in the previous episode and try to reach the edge of the barrier first to ascertain whether it was really activated? I'm not saying your theory is necessarily wrong, but I'm not discounting any possibilities at this moment. PS: Considering how intricate your hypothesis is right now, wouldn't it be even more of a surprise reveal if they went with the "sneak in" theory in the end, since people are now discounting it? ;) Unless someone had the unique power to become invisible or run at the speed light he couldnt have sneak in and do it. (it would be lame if thats the answer..) 1)The fight with the guards lasted mere seconds(check out the episode) and adlet during the fight had view of the entrance at some point. 2)The mist went up as soon as the fiend dissapeared!!Meaning the when the mist went up the guy had just finished the activation and started to run out of the temple.Watch the ep is like less than 6-7 secs^^.Too hard to pull. 3) Also whoever would sneak in,would have to hide not infront of the entrance but somewhere in the vicinity.That means the moment adlet came out with the guards he would have run from where he was hidden (not excactly in front of the entrance) enter the temple ,activate the barrier ,and get out of the temple without making any noise and far enough so he wont be seen by adlet and all that in like less than 10 seconds......thats impossible unless the guy had the powers i said at the start.... So going by elimination the barrier got activated by either Goldof/Nashetania and the mist was fake.Only way this would happen consider what these 2 did with the dagger was the guy at ep 3 must have lied,coz the barrier got activated without doing what he said.So conclusion is the guy at ep 3 is an accomplish/mist was created by the bombing and the fiend adlet encountered/nashetania activated the barrier....Also think you mentioned nashetania didnt have time to conspire with the fiends but if she is the 7th that means it was planned way before since the start so thats not a problem. The only reason i find this theory kinda ''stupid'' even if it makes sense is : 1)Nashetania could have killed adlet when he was in prison without anyone finding out he was a brave.That means she could have blended with the braves without anyone suspecting her. 2) She could have killed Goldof easily by seducing him.Drop his pants down and stab him in the back while they do the deed ^^. 3)She could have framed the gun girl and make the other braves kill her.If it wasnt for adlet flammie herself would have fought them the moment she encountered them..... Thats like 3 braves dead,and Nashetania wouldnt be suspected.So it would be demon king vs 3 braves that dont know nashetania would backstab them during their fight ......Sounds way better plan and safer than conspiring the whole temple thing^^. |
Aug 11, 2015 7:27 AM
#263
darboux said: Sounds way better plan and safer than conspiring the whole temple thing^^. Lots of way better plans here. The whole "let the braves go to the temple one at a time then once they're all there we'll send some soldiers forward to hopefully meet them and activate the barrier for them" is incredibly stupid. But you have to remember this is written for kids. If you apply your brain to this you're doing it wrong. Adlet had no reason to blow open the door and lots of reasons not to. No one would even expect him to be able to. The plan was to wait until all the braves gathered and send a signal, Adlet going in the temple alone is him being retarded or just bad writing either way. Assuming "the signal" can only be set off inside the temple then the plan to trap the braves would have been made with the assumption that all the braves would be standing there and the person with the seal, Maura would open the door. |
Aug 11, 2015 7:35 AM
#264
Aug 11, 2015 8:02 AM
#265
belial said: L-Ryoshi said: Ah, but seeing as none of us really know how the barrier ties in with the fog, can you be absolutely sure that once the barrier comes into play, that the fog will immediately set in instantaneously? But it didn't, it started to build up, wasn't instant. L-Ryoshi said: Also, given that the Saints and other Rokkas have amazing abilities, Would it not be possible that one or more members present have skills that prevent Adlet from detecting them? Hans as an assassin and Fremy as a Rokka-Killer must have some sort of skill like that. What's to say that one or two of the others don't also have such a skill? If that were the case, then there is always the possibility that the moment Adlet released the guards, someone who was watching them fight immediately snuck in and activated the barrier. Note that Adlet first took out the two guards, turned around to watch the Fiend Transform and run away, and he even went and chased after it a bit before the fog started to set in. If there was a delay in the fog, then for sure there would have been enough time for someone to go into the passage, activate the barrier and run out of there without Adlet noticing. And yes, I'm leaning towards Chamo at this moment because she was the only one besides Adlet who is unaccounted for by any of the others. Nope, that would make Maura the fake, as she knows all the saints and said it was impossible. Also, if Chamot did indeed kill the fiend that run away, she couldn't be inside the temple. There's also nothing that points to Chamot, if Chamot wanted to kill them all she would, she wouldn't need the barrier for anything imo (and doesn't know how to activate it). L-Ryoshi said: By the way, which clue are you referring to from the OP? Mind sharing? It's on the previous page: belial said: At first I was assuming there were actually 7 Braves, as Flamie was half-human, half-kyouma, she wouldn't count. Then I read all this thread, the ep didn't get me convinced about an 8th person existing but that talking about Riura made some sense. Anyway, I was doubting Maura and the Bunny Girl (for a lot of reasons already stated ITT). So I decided to rewatch all openings and endings and found this: http://picpaste.com/Belial.Rokka_no_Yuusha_-_05-iCYuAP00.jpg Maura tells us that if a brave dies, a petal disapears, so each petal is assigned to a brave, and they disapear if they die. So if the petals are colored.. =p Assuming I didn't fail guessing their colors: Red - Adlet Dark Blue - Maura Light Blue - Flamie Dark Green - Goldov Light Green - Chamo Yellow - Hans Missng: Bunny Girl (Nashetania) I rewatched the eps and went teorycrafting, but I still found no way for the bunny girl to activate the fog even assuming Riura activating a fake fog, as someone said in here. That panic mode is the key imo, assuming the fog can be activated without saying the words, or her placing the word (as she can control blades and then finishing the ritual on the panic mode (touching the tablet)). But the bunny girl seems like the obvious target, though I have no idea how or what's her motives. Edit: Typos L-Ryoshi said: Also, I recall Fremy running in asking why the barrier had been activated already. Nope, it was the bunny girl and I also found that convenient, because that was why they "tried" deactivating it. L-Ryoshi said: PS: Considering how intricate your hypothesis is right now, wouldn't it be even more of a surprise reveal if they went with the "sneak in" theory in the end, since people are now discounting it? ;) It was regarded as impossible by Hans and Maura, unless you are considering one of them is the fake and the other a traitor. But if this was the case, Maura would have let Chamot kill everyone already For fairness sake, I went back and watched the last three episodes just to make sure of things. First off, we are in agreement that the fog was gradual. However, Adlet spent a bit of time between when the Fiend fled, and when he turned back to the temple. It wasn't an immediate "see the fog, run back to the temple". There is a time gap right there and we don't know how long it was exactly that he was lost in thought. We were shown a mere seconds, but it could have been longer than that. You can't actually make an assumption on this. Second, just because Mora knows all the saints and says that she knows all their abilities, that does not mean that she knows everything about the saints, including skills that are outside of their "Saint" ability. I mean, if the culprit does happen to be a Saint, that would pretty much prove my point, no? To this I would also add that she knows nothing about the abilities of the men either. Also, from what I've watched, we don't even know what Chamo's skill is yet, we don't know whether it is long ranged or short ranged, or an area effect. Mora stopped Chamo from killing Adlet when he was trying to flee because Fremy on his shoulder would also be killed. For all we know, Chamo's skill could be similar to Nashetanias (i.e. she doesn't have to be next to the fiend to kill it). Also, going back on the two episodes, the one who admitted to not knowing anything about the barrier was Hans. Mora said she heard it from the Soldier, and Chamo then mentioned that she also knew what Mora knew. If what she said were true, then she DID know how to activate the barrier. What Hans knows explicitly are the doors that the Saint of Salt has set up before, and not the barrier. Third point, I have no idea where you are matching colors to, so I don't really understand how you can even pair them up per person. From the picture you posted, I only see the colors for 5 of the petals, and one of those 5 is a shining light. I'm sure the colors have a significance, but I don't know from where are you pairing the colors with, so unfortunately, I'm just left confused. Also, you are "Guessing" those colors, may I ask where you guessed them from? Fourthly, going back, I found that it was truly Nashetania who spoke up about the barrier being activated. You are correct in this instance. However, before they even arrived, Adlet had already spoke up saying that the barrier had already been activated. Now how would he know that it had been activated by just looking at the altar and the walls? I am not sure, but if it hadn't already been activated by then, then why would Adlet say so? In short: How would HE know? Lastly, and most importantly, NO MENTION was made regarding my "sneaking in" theory actually. What Adlet had been insisting on from the get-go, was that someone had snuck into the temple before he arrived, and had activated the barrier immediately BEFORE he blew open the door. His insistence was that the barrier had already been activated BEFORE he even opened up the door, NOT when he walked in. Even in his own defense, he was saying how someone had dug a hole into the temple and activated the barrier when he blasted the door, and had then escaped when he wasn't looking. What Hans and Mora regarded as impossible was Adlet's theory that the door had been replaced/resealed after the barrier had been activated BEFORE Adlet blew the door open. I actually found this part strange, because when he was recounting the tale, (unless the subs were wrong), he didn't even mention about the period between when he blasted the door and when he walked into the temple. None of the others knew how much time had passed between when he blasted the door open and when he actually walked in, to the rest of them listening to his tale, there must have been little time lag. Thus, nothing that has been shown in the anime has yet denounced my suspicion that Chamo may yet be the culprit. @Sokah: They are gradually providing more information with every episode they broadcast. To say that we can only work with the information provided is correct, but to speculate in advance about additional information provided in later episodes shouldn't be wrong either. Also, I'm not making wild assumptions here. I base most of my theories and observations from the anime. We haven't seen the extent of Chamo or Hans or Goldov's abilities, or even Mora's. No one even bothered to speculate about an 8th player in the field until Adlet explicitly mentioned it during this episode. So whats to say that, unless you know because you've read the LN, they have abilities that the anime hasn't shown to us yet? Like a stealth ability? In addition, even if Adlet mentioned about an 8th, there's still no proof that there IS one, and even he could be wrong about it. He's speculating himself because he cannot figure out any way his own theories can prove his own innocence. There is no PROOF that there is an 8th. |
L-RyoshiAug 11, 2015 8:06 AM
HESTIAAPPROVES |
Aug 11, 2015 8:57 AM
#266
L-Ryoshi said: For fairness sake, I went back and watched the last three episodes just to make sure of things. First off, we are in agreement that the fog was gradual. However, Adlet spent a bit of time between when the Fiend fled, and when he turned back to the temple. It wasn't an immediate "see the fog, run back to the temple". There is a time gap right there and we don't know how long it was exactly that he was lost in thought. We were shown a mere seconds, but it could have been longer than that. You can't actually make an assumption on this. Second, just because Mora knows all the saints and says that she knows all their abilities, that does not mean that she knows everything about the saints, including skills that are outside of their "Saint" ability. I mean, if the culprit does happen to be a Saint, that would pretty much prove my point, no? To this I would also add that she knows nothing about the abilities of the men either. Also, from what I've watched, we don't even know what Chamo's skill is yet, we don't know whether it is long ranged or short ranged, or an area effect. Mora stopped Chamo from killing Adlet when he was trying to flee because Fremy on his shoulder would also be killed. For all we know, Chamo's skill could be similar to Nashetanias (i.e. she doesn't have to be next to the fiend to kill it). Also, going back on the two episodes, the one who admitted to not knowing anything about the barrier was Hans. Mora said she heard it from the Soldier, and Chamo then mentioned that she also knew what Mora knew. If what she said were true, then she DID know how to activate the barrier. What Hans knows explicitly are the doors that the Saint of Salt has set up before, and not the barrier. Third point, I have no idea where you are matching colors to, so I don't really understand how you can even pair them up per person. From the picture you posted, I only see the colors for 5 of the petals, and one of those 5 is a shining light. I'm sure the colors have a significance, but I don't know from where are you pairing the colors with, so unfortunately, I'm just left confused. Also, you are "Guessing" those colors, may I ask where you guessed them from? Fourthly, going back, I found that it was truly Nashetania who spoke up about the barrier being activated. You are correct in this instance. However, before they even arrived, Adlet had already spoke up saying that the barrier had already been activated. Now how would he know that it had been activated by just looking at the altar and the walls? I am not sure, but if it hadn't already been activated by then, then why would Adlet say so? In short: How would HE know? Lastly, and most importantly, NO MENTION was made regarding my "sneaking in" theory actually. What Adlet had been insisting on from the get-go, was that someone had snuck into the temple before he arrived, and had activated the barrier immediately BEFORE he blew open the door. His insistence was that the barrier had already been activated BEFORE he even opened up the door, NOT when he walked in. Even in his own defense, he was saying how someone had dug a hole into the temple and activated the barrier when he blasted the door, and had then escaped when he wasn't looking. What Hans and Mora regarded as impossible was Adlet's theory that the door had been replaced/resealed after the barrier had been activated BEFORE Adlet blew the door open. I actually found this part strange, because when he was recounting the tale, (unless the subs were wrong), he didn't even mention about the period between when he blasted the door and when he walked into the temple. None of the others knew how much time had passed between when he blasted the door open and when he actually walked in, to the rest of them listening to his tale, there must have been little time lag. Thus, nothing that has been shown in the anime has yet denounced my suspicion that Chamo may yet be the culprit. @Sokah: They are gradually providing more information with every episode they broadcast. To say that we can only work with the information provided is correct, but to speculate in advance about additional information provided in later episodes shouldn't be wrong either. Also, I'm not making wild assumptions here. I base most of my theories and observations from the anime. We haven't seen the extent of Chamo or Hans or Goldov's abilities, or even Mora's. No one even bothered to speculate about an 8th player in the field until Adlet explicitly mentioned it during this episode. So whats to say that, unless you know because you've read the LN, they have abilities that the anime hasn't shown to us yet? Like a stealth ability? In addition, even if Adlet mentioned about an 8th, there's still no proof that there IS one, and even he could be wrong about it. He's speculating himself because he cannot figure out any way his own theories can prove his own innocence. There is no PROOF that there is an 8th. 1)Well at the ep he was seen to be in thought for few secs.Maybe the director made it that way to fool us?seems kinda lame to me. We were shown it to be seconds so it would be an assumption to think it was not.Not the other way around i think^^. 2) If someone of the braves had some sort of stealth ability.....honest it could be.But dunno to me would be kinda lame.Also it would be impossible to actually catch the culprit.Considering the only thing he would have to do is hide his stealth ability. 3) Adlet Knew this from the guy at ep 3 : ''Place dagger in the hole and say the stuff,then fog rises and the barrier is activated'' ,So ofc when he saw the fog and entered the temple and saw the dagger in the hole thought for sure the barrier was activated.Its logical. 4)If the barrier was activated BEFORE he blasted the door,that means the mist would be up before he reach the temple or walk in.That means people would take note of it and adlet wouldnt be considered a suspect. Or even if the timing was perfect with the mist so others would suspect adlet,if someone enters the temple without using the key that means the guards would attack him and have his name!!!So that way only one possible is Mora which she is the only with the key.So Mora would have needed to be inside the temple waiting the right moment to activate the barrier to match the timing so adlet would be a suspect and then walk out the temple while he was fighting the guards etc....she could only do this again if she had stealth ability really. The sneak in theory anyway relies on : '' Some one has stealth ability'' , ''The director made it seem like it was few seconds when it was actually much more''.Without these it no work^^. And it cannot be chamo for sure.Why? 1)The 7th is a ''fake'' brave meaning he was not chosen by the goddess.Chamo despite her age is experienced fighter and considered the STRONGEST saint ever i think(or in her generation) the chances of her actually being fake and not chosen are 0 imo. 2) we would have to assume that she had stealth ability.And this ability was hidden since she was little.Mora knew her since she was a child the chances of having of such an ability and keeping it a secret are close to 0.Unless Mora was an accomplish.But then why go through all that trouble?Chamo and Mora could have surprised the braves when adlet escaped and killed them boom job done^^. |
Aug 11, 2015 9:25 AM
#267
Like it was said before, if someone sneaked in, it wasn't one of those 7. The time Adlet was fighting was exactly to leave this option open. Also, check @darboux previous post L-Ryoshi said: Second, just because Mora knows all the saints and says that she knows all their abilities, that does not mean that she knows everything about the saints, including skills that are outside of their "Saint" ability. I mean, if the culprit does happen to be a Saint, that would pretty much prove my point, no? Nope, the sneaking in possibility seems very improbable, and if a saint power is involved for sneaking in, Maura would have suggested it. On this possibility you are forgetting that we have 7 braves and one is fake, so it would be Maura and this 8th person. (but like I said, this is very improbable) L-Ryoshi said: Third point, I have no idea where you are matching colors to, so I don't really understand how you can even pair them up per person. From the picture you posted, I only see the colors for 5 of the petals, and one of those 5 is a shining light. I'm sure the colors have a significance, but I don't know from where are you pairing the colors with, so unfortunately, I'm just left confused. Also, you are "Guessing" those colors, may I ask where you guessed them from? Check their character designs, my only doubts were on Flamie (and I explained how I confirmed her color), Hans (which I also explained as being his eyes despite his hair color could make him the same color as Maura) and Hashetanya which the closest color would be red or yellow, which imo it isn't neither of them. Also, I only posted one pic, if you check the OP you can see all the 6 colors. L-Ryoshi said: Adlet had already spoke up saying that the barrier had already been activated He saw the Fog and the Sword on the dais, why would he not assume it was activated? L-Ryoshi said: No one even bothered to speculate about an 8th player I only did assume an 8th after the speculation that the first fog we saw was fake and it made more sense than any other possibility here. Let's agree with some points then, even if sneaking in was possible none of the 7 could have done it. (Even Adlet concludes this at 19:31 of ep 6) To fake the fog an 8th is also needed, unless the bombing or the fiend at the entrance did it. Assuming flamie counts and that one brave is indeed fake, even if an 8th person did it, the fake has to be there for a reason. Only Nashetanya did things conveniently enough to be the fake one, she told Adlet to go first, she was the one "confirming" that the barrier was up ("The barrier has been activated just like Private Lauren explained"), we already discussed how that guy probably lied or was a fiend, she was the one who didn't say ANYTHING constructive for the discussion on who was the fake and even made it worst by trying to defend Adlet without arguments and deceiving Goldov to attack Adlet (and even to remove the sword while "trying" to release the barrier). And ofc, let's not forget that Panic Modez while trying to "release the barrier" Edit: I totally agree with darboux's previous post |
belialAug 11, 2015 9:30 AM
Aug 11, 2015 9:34 AM
#268
Thank you everyone and their grandmother for spoiling who the seventh is. Nice job as always MAL. |
Aug 11, 2015 9:43 AM
#269
Gov said: Thank you everyone and their grandmother for spoiling who the seventh is. Nice job as always MAL. I'll assume that you think we are correct, because I didn't see any spoils in here and I'm only watching the Anime |
Aug 11, 2015 9:52 AM
#270
Sokah said: darboux said: Sounds way better plan and safer than conspiring the whole temple thing^^. Lots of way better plans here. Sure if your not biased, arrogant know it all. You have no idea what the 7th wants. The plan was always intended to have 7th brave amongst the real ones. Genius. He/she wants the Braves to destroy each gradually through mistrust in one fell swoop while delaying their purist of Demon God (until it's regained it's power). Especially since the 7th can't count on the fact he/she will be able to kill each of them the on their own. So let the other Six do the job for him/her. |
Aug 11, 2015 10:03 AM
#271
Aug 11, 2015 10:06 AM
#272
darboux said: The only reason i find this theory kinda ''stupid'' even if it makes sense is : 1)Nashetania could have killed adlet when he was in prison without anyone finding out he was a brave.That means she could have blended with the braves without anyone suspecting her. 2) She could have killed Goldof easily by seducing him.Drop his pants down and stab him in the back while they do the deed ^^. 3)She could have framed the gun girl and make the other braves kill her.If it wasnt for adlet flammie herself would have fought them the moment she encountered them..... Thats like 3 braves dead,and Nashetania wouldnt be suspected.So it would be demon king vs 3 braves that dont know nashetania would backstab them during their fight ......Sounds way better plan and safer than conspiring the whole temple thing^^. Assuming it is Nashe 1) is wrong. She wasn't the only one who saw his mark, the people who with her did too. Besides if the 7th wants the Braves to kill each other so they can work never work together Adlet serves a better purpose being alive. 2) Godlof has known her forever, if she started coming on to him like all of a sudden he would know something was up. 3) Frame for Fremy what for? Everyone already thought she was the 7th to start with and was going to kill her before Hans stood for her. There not time to make any real plans against her either since the two had just met. That said the chances of it being Nash isn't high at the moment outside of paranoia. Like with everyone else there needs to be some logical evidence/reasoning that points to her. Something can't be denied. But we should be flexible because everyone even possibly Adlet himself is suspicious. |
Iron_MawAug 11, 2015 11:15 AM
Aug 11, 2015 10:45 AM
#273
darboux said: L-Ryoshi said: For fairness sake, I went back and watched the last three episodes just to make sure of things. First off, we are in agreement that the fog was gradual. However, Adlet spent a bit of time between when the Fiend fled, and when he turned back to the temple. It wasn't an immediate "see the fog, run back to the temple". There is a time gap right there and we don't know how long it was exactly that he was lost in thought. We were shown a mere seconds, but it could have been longer than that. You can't actually make an assumption on this. Second, just because Mora knows all the saints and says that she knows all their abilities, that does not mean that she knows everything about the saints, including skills that are outside of their "Saint" ability. I mean, if the culprit does happen to be a Saint, that would pretty much prove my point, no? To this I would also add that she knows nothing about the abilities of the men either. Also, from what I've watched, we don't even know what Chamo's skill is yet, we don't know whether it is long ranged or short ranged, or an area effect. Mora stopped Chamo from killing Adlet when he was trying to flee because Fremy on his shoulder would also be killed. For all we know, Chamo's skill could be similar to Nashetanias (i.e. she doesn't have to be next to the fiend to kill it). Also, going back on the two episodes, the one who admitted to not knowing anything about the barrier was Hans. Mora said she heard it from the Soldier, and Chamo then mentioned that she also knew what Mora knew. If what she said were true, then she DID know how to activate the barrier. What Hans knows explicitly are the doors that the Saint of Salt has set up before, and not the barrier. Third point, I have no idea where you are matching colors to, so I don't really understand how you can even pair them up per person. From the picture you posted, I only see the colors for 5 of the petals, and one of those 5 is a shining light. I'm sure the colors have a significance, but I don't know from where are you pairing the colors with, so unfortunately, I'm just left confused. Also, you are "Guessing" those colors, may I ask where you guessed them from? Fourthly, going back, I found that it was truly Nashetania who spoke up about the barrier being activated. You are correct in this instance. However, before they even arrived, Adlet had already spoke up saying that the barrier had already been activated. Now how would he know that it had been activated by just looking at the altar and the walls? I am not sure, but if it hadn't already been activated by then, then why would Adlet say so? In short: How would HE know? Lastly, and most importantly, NO MENTION was made regarding my "sneaking in" theory actually. What Adlet had been insisting on from the get-go, was that someone had snuck into the temple before he arrived, and had activated the barrier immediately BEFORE he blew open the door. His insistence was that the barrier had already been activated BEFORE he even opened up the door, NOT when he walked in. Even in his own defense, he was saying how someone had dug a hole into the temple and activated the barrier when he blasted the door, and had then escaped when he wasn't looking. What Hans and Mora regarded as impossible was Adlet's theory that the door had been replaced/resealed after the barrier had been activated BEFORE Adlet blew the door open. I actually found this part strange, because when he was recounting the tale, (unless the subs were wrong), he didn't even mention about the period between when he blasted the door and when he walked into the temple. None of the others knew how much time had passed between when he blasted the door open and when he actually walked in, to the rest of them listening to his tale, there must have been little time lag. Thus, nothing that has been shown in the anime has yet denounced my suspicion that Chamo may yet be the culprit. @Sokah: They are gradually providing more information with every episode they broadcast. To say that we can only work with the information provided is correct, but to speculate in advance about additional information provided in later episodes shouldn't be wrong either. Also, I'm not making wild assumptions here. I base most of my theories and observations from the anime. We haven't seen the extent of Chamo or Hans or Goldov's abilities, or even Mora's. No one even bothered to speculate about an 8th player in the field until Adlet explicitly mentioned it during this episode. So whats to say that, unless you know because you've read the LN, they have abilities that the anime hasn't shown to us yet? Like a stealth ability? In addition, even if Adlet mentioned about an 8th, there's still no proof that there IS one, and even he could be wrong about it. He's speculating himself because he cannot figure out any way his own theories can prove his own innocence. There is no PROOF that there is an 8th. 1)Well at the ep he was seen to be in thought for few secs.Maybe the director made it that way to fool us?seems kinda lame to me. We were shown it to be seconds so it would be an assumption to think it was not.Not the other way around i think^^. 2) If someone of the braves had some sort of stealth ability.....honest it could be.But dunno to me would be kinda lame.Also it would be impossible to actually catch the culprit.Considering the only thing he would have to do is hide his stealth ability. 3) Adlet Knew this from the guy at ep 3 : ''Place dagger in the hole and say the stuff,then fog rises and the barrier is activated'' ,So ofc when he saw the fog and entered the temple and saw the dagger in the hole thought for sure the barrier was activated.Its logical. 4)If the barrier was activated BEFORE he blasted the door,that means the mist would be up before he reach the temple or walk in.That means people would take note of it and adlet wouldnt be considered a suspect. Or even if the timing was perfect with the mist so others would suspect adlet,if someone enters the temple without using the key that means the guards would attack him and have his name!!!So that way only one possible is Mora which she is the only with the key.So Mora would have needed to be inside the temple waiting the right moment to activate the barrier to match the timing so adlet would be a suspect and then walk out the temple while he was fighting the guards etc....she could only do this again if she had stealth ability really. The sneak in theory anyway relies on : '' Some one has stealth ability'' , ''The director made it seem like it was few seconds when it was actually much more''.Without these it no work^^. And it cannot be chamo for sure.Why? 1)The 7th is a ''fake'' brave meaning he was not chosen by the goddess.Chamo despite her age is experienced fighter and considered the STRONGEST saint ever i think(or in her generation) the chances of her actually being fake and not chosen are 0 imo. 2) we would have to assume that she had stealth ability.And this ability was hidden since she was little.Mora knew her since she was a child the chances of having of such an ability and keeping it a secret are close to 0.Unless Mora was an accomplish.But then why go through all that trouble?Chamo and Mora could have surprised the braves when adlet escaped and killed them boom job done^^. Hrm... the first two points, your excuse is lameness, which isn't a logical argument. It's just your own opinion. Hence, that's not a refuting of my points, now are they? Third point: Basically Adlet heard from the Soldier and because the dagger was on the altar and there was fog, he immediately assumed that the barrier was up, and hence neither he nor anyone else thought to check for certain...? So basically all the Rokkas were just assuming that the barrier was up because there was fog, and no one thought to check for sure that it was up until much, much later...? I see your point, but that still doesn't prove anything to refute that the barrier wasn't already up by the time Adlet reached the altar. Fourth point: Did we not agree that the fog was a gradual phenomenon and not an instant one? The fog only started appearing the moment the Fiend ran off, before that it was sunny as heck. Now if that were the case, then regardless of instant or gradual, that would imply that the barrier was already up in the moments after Adlet watched the Fiend run off, no? Ergo, wouldn't it mean that the barrier had been activated BEFORE he entered the temple? Even if it wasn't before he entered the temple, it still doesn't refute the possibility of someone sneaking in and activating it, and sneaking out before Adlet turned and headed back to the temple. As for it not being Chamo: 1.) Sure she could have probably been chosen as one of the 6 true Rokkas, but having a 7th doesn't immediately imply that said 7th was the only one working against them. Adlet speculated an 8th because he couldn't explain how to prove his innocence, but we have not seen an 8th. So consider this: what if there is no 8th, but there was STILL an accomplice? That would mean there is a 7th, and an alternate traitor in the 6, no? Nashetania was surprised that someone as unscrupulous as Hans was selected, what's to say that one of the Rokka isn't working for their own interests? Just because they all gathered together doesn't mean that all their intentions are good. 2.) Again, Chamo received her powers at the age of 6 or 7. Just because she then went to see Mora for instructions, does not mean that she stayed with Mora for all that time. Fact is, she did not even come to the rendezvous point with Mora proves this. And just because I speculated a stealth ability, does not imply in any way that she acquired it along with her "Saint" status. It could have been a trait learned after she received her instructions from Mora, or if she really was working for the Demon Lord it could have been an ability gifted to her from the other side. That for sure would be unknown by Mora, now wouldn't it? To be perfectly honest, I don't find my viewpoint as of this moment all that illogical. @belial: Basically my post should answer some of your arguments as well. What's to say that one of the 6 true Rokkas wasn't working with the 7th, be it under coercion or whatever, and there is essentially no 8th. The idea of the 8th came from Adlet, but even his own speculation could be wrong, now couldn't he? Adlet saw the fog and the sword on the dias, hence there's a very real possibility that the barrier really WAS activated, no? Also, when was there a separate fog? All I saw was one fog patch from when the Fiend left, up to the current episode. Even Fremy said the fog wouldn't let up when they were playing with the Altar. What even gave the idea that there was a fake fog anyway? And what proof is there that the Private had been a fiend? I mean unless you actually know for a fact, there's been nothing indicating what the soldier said was outside the ordinary. |
HESTIAAPPROVES |
Aug 11, 2015 11:52 AM
#274
We are repeating ourselves we already discussed all the points you brought up. 3rd: He saw fog, ofc he would assume it's active 4th: We already covered all possibilities of sneaking in, like we said, it is possible but highly improbable Chamot point were already discussed, nothing new or that changes what was already said I only assumed a fake fog because it wasn't tested before they tried to "release it", the temple seal was intact b4 Adlet tried to get in, it wasn't Adlet activating the barrier and the sneaking in possibility is almost impossible if Maura isn't the fake. As for the soldier, as we didn't see any activation like it was explained, it is natural to assume the soldier was lying or that there are other ways of activating it. On darboux's point: 1) Not exactly, because her actions made Adlet seem like the culprit. And if that strange panic mode did indeed activate the barrier she needed someone to blame, if not, she or Goldov would be the suspects 2) He is loyal, it would be strange that even if she is the fake one that he wouldn't protect her. His jealous towards Adlet was pretty obvious, but despite that he seemed pretty loyal. 3) This point assumes your 1º point was valid, so no need to discuss it =p What I found really strange on ep 4 was she telling Adlet to go ahead alone and he leaving Flamie with them. After all that happened Adlet shouldn't have let Flamie with them and if she came with him he would have an alibi. (which would probably lead to the situation we are now though, the 2 running together) (I am assuming that from the end of ep 6 and the new OP that flamie will go to his side, dunno what he will find to change her over though) Edit: So my guess is the bunnygirl being the fake, assuming an 8th or a fiend responsible for a fake fog. OR Maura, as there are many possibilities for this to be possible. Though like I said before, she had influence on Chamot, so if Maura was the fake the plan would be way simpler to begin with Edit2: I just realised Flamie reacted to the Fiend Flute on ep 2, kyute =3 |
belialAug 11, 2015 12:34 PM
Aug 11, 2015 12:08 PM
#275
When you think about it, there is no way to activate the barrier if - soldier told Adlet the truth about the mechanism - Mora isn't lying - what we saw so far is true (e.g. we probably saw what Adlet saw) |
Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
Aug 11, 2015 12:20 PM
#276
beast_regards said: When you think about it, there is no way to activate the barrier if - soldier told Adlet the truth about the mechanism - Mora isn't lying - what we saw so far is true (e.g. we probably saw what Adlet saw) This, though I didn't consider the last point, hope this doesn't end like those cheap mystery stories |
Aug 11, 2015 12:48 PM
#277
L-Ryoshi said: darboux said: L-Ryoshi said: For fairness sake, I went back and watched the last three episodes just to make sure of things. First off, we are in agreement that the fog was gradual. However, Adlet spent a bit of time between when the Fiend fled, and when he turned back to the temple. It wasn't an immediate "see the fog, run back to the temple". There is a time gap right there and we don't know how long it was exactly that he was lost in thought. We were shown a mere seconds, but it could have been longer than that. You can't actually make an assumption on this. Second, just because Mora knows all the saints and says that she knows all their abilities, that does not mean that she knows everything about the saints, including skills that are outside of their "Saint" ability. I mean, if the culprit does happen to be a Saint, that would pretty much prove my point, no? To this I would also add that she knows nothing about the abilities of the men either. Also, from what I've watched, we don't even know what Chamo's skill is yet, we don't know whether it is long ranged or short ranged, or an area effect. Mora stopped Chamo from killing Adlet when he was trying to flee because Fremy on his shoulder would also be killed. For all we know, Chamo's skill could be similar to Nashetanias (i.e. she doesn't have to be next to the fiend to kill it). Also, going back on the two episodes, the one who admitted to not knowing anything about the barrier was Hans. Mora said she heard it from the Soldier, and Chamo then mentioned that she also knew what Mora knew. If what she said were true, then she DID know how to activate the barrier. What Hans knows explicitly are the doors that the Saint of Salt has set up before, and not the barrier. Third point, I have no idea where you are matching colors to, so I don't really understand how you can even pair them up per person. From the picture you posted, I only see the colors for 5 of the petals, and one of those 5 is a shining light. I'm sure the colors have a significance, but I don't know from where are you pairing the colors with, so unfortunately, I'm just left confused. Also, you are "Guessing" those colors, may I ask where you guessed them from? Fourthly, going back, I found that it was truly Nashetania who spoke up about the barrier being activated. You are correct in this instance. However, before they even arrived, Adlet had already spoke up saying that the barrier had already been activated. Now how would he know that it had been activated by just looking at the altar and the walls? I am not sure, but if it hadn't already been activated by then, then why would Adlet say so? In short: How would HE know? Lastly, and most importantly, NO MENTION was made regarding my "sneaking in" theory actually. What Adlet had been insisting on from the get-go, was that someone had snuck into the temple before he arrived, and had activated the barrier immediately BEFORE he blew open the door. His insistence was that the barrier had already been activated BEFORE he even opened up the door, NOT when he walked in. Even in his own defense, he was saying how someone had dug a hole into the temple and activated the barrier when he blasted the door, and had then escaped when he wasn't looking. What Hans and Mora regarded as impossible was Adlet's theory that the door had been replaced/resealed after the barrier had been activated BEFORE Adlet blew the door open. I actually found this part strange, because when he was recounting the tale, (unless the subs were wrong), he didn't even mention about the period between when he blasted the door and when he walked into the temple. None of the others knew how much time had passed between when he blasted the door open and when he actually walked in, to the rest of them listening to his tale, there must have been little time lag. Thus, nothing that has been shown in the anime has yet denounced my suspicion that Chamo may yet be the culprit. @Sokah: They are gradually providing more information with every episode they broadcast. To say that we can only work with the information provided is correct, but to speculate in advance about additional information provided in later episodes shouldn't be wrong either. Also, I'm not making wild assumptions here. I base most of my theories and observations from the anime. We haven't seen the extent of Chamo or Hans or Goldov's abilities, or even Mora's. No one even bothered to speculate about an 8th player in the field until Adlet explicitly mentioned it during this episode. So whats to say that, unless you know because you've read the LN, they have abilities that the anime hasn't shown to us yet? Like a stealth ability? In addition, even if Adlet mentioned about an 8th, there's still no proof that there IS one, and even he could be wrong about it. He's speculating himself because he cannot figure out any way his own theories can prove his own innocence. There is no PROOF that there is an 8th. 1)Well at the ep he was seen to be in thought for few secs.Maybe the director made it that way to fool us?seems kinda lame to me. We were shown it to be seconds so it would be an assumption to think it was not.Not the other way around i think^^. 2) If someone of the braves had some sort of stealth ability.....honest it could be.But dunno to me would be kinda lame.Also it would be impossible to actually catch the culprit.Considering the only thing he would have to do is hide his stealth ability. 3) Adlet Knew this from the guy at ep 3 : ''Place dagger in the hole and say the stuff,then fog rises and the barrier is activated'' ,So ofc when he saw the fog and entered the temple and saw the dagger in the hole thought for sure the barrier was activated.Its logical. 4)If the barrier was activated BEFORE he blasted the door,that means the mist would be up before he reach the temple or walk in.That means people would take note of it and adlet wouldnt be considered a suspect. Or even if the timing was perfect with the mist so others would suspect adlet,if someone enters the temple without using the key that means the guards would attack him and have his name!!!So that way only one possible is Mora which she is the only with the key.So Mora would have needed to be inside the temple waiting the right moment to activate the barrier to match the timing so adlet would be a suspect and then walk out the temple while he was fighting the guards etc....she could only do this again if she had stealth ability really. The sneak in theory anyway relies on : '' Some one has stealth ability'' , ''The director made it seem like it was few seconds when it was actually much more''.Without these it no work^^. And it cannot be chamo for sure.Why? 1)The 7th is a ''fake'' brave meaning he was not chosen by the goddess.Chamo despite her age is experienced fighter and considered the STRONGEST saint ever i think(or in her generation) the chances of her actually being fake and not chosen are 0 imo. 2) we would have to assume that she had stealth ability.And this ability was hidden since she was little.Mora knew her since she was a child the chances of having of such an ability and keeping it a secret are close to 0.Unless Mora was an accomplish.But then why go through all that trouble?Chamo and Mora could have surprised the braves when adlet escaped and killed them boom job done^^. Hrm... the first two points, your excuse is lameness, which isn't a logical argument. It's just your own opinion. Hence, that's not a refuting of my points, now are they? Third point: Basically Adlet heard from the Soldier and because the dagger was on the altar and there was fog, he immediately assumed that the barrier was up, and hence neither he nor anyone else thought to check for certain...? So basically all the Rokkas were just assuming that the barrier was up because there was fog, and no one thought to check for sure that it was up until much, much later...? I see your point, but that still doesn't prove anything to refute that the barrier wasn't already up by the time Adlet reached the altar. Fourth point: Did we not agree that the fog was a gradual phenomenon and not an instant one? The fog only started appearing the moment the Fiend ran off, before that it was sunny as heck. Now if that were the case, then regardless of instant or gradual, that would imply that the barrier was already up in the moments after Adlet watched the Fiend run off, no? Ergo, wouldn't it mean that the barrier had been activated BEFORE he entered the temple? Even if it wasn't before he entered the temple, it still doesn't refute the possibility of someone sneaking in and activating it, and sneaking out before Adlet turned and headed back to the temple. As for it not being Chamo: 1.) Sure she could have probably been chosen as one of the 6 true Rokkas, but having a 7th doesn't immediately imply that said 7th was the only one working against them. Adlet speculated an 8th because he couldn't explain how to prove his innocence, but we have not seen an 8th. So consider this: what if there is no 8th, but there was STILL an accomplice? That would mean there is a 7th, and an alternate traitor in the 6, no? Nashetania was surprised that someone as unscrupulous as Hans was selected, what's to say that one of the Rokka isn't working for their own interests? Just because they all gathered together doesn't mean that all their intentions are good. 2.) Again, Chamo received her powers at the age of 6 or 7. Just because she then went to see Mora for instructions, does not mean that she stayed with Mora for all that time. Fact is, she did not even come to the rendezvous point with Mora proves this. And just because I speculated a stealth ability, does not imply in any way that she acquired it along with her "Saint" status. It could have been a trait learned after she received her instructions from Mora, or if she really was working for the Demon Lord it could have been an ability gifted to her from the other side. That for sure would be unknown by Mora, now wouldn't it? To be perfectly honest, I don't find my viewpoint as of this moment all that illogical. @belial: Basically my post should answer some of your arguments as well. What's to say that one of the 6 true Rokkas wasn't working with the 7th, be it under coercion or whatever, and there is essentially no 8th. The idea of the 8th came from Adlet, but even his own speculation could be wrong, now couldn't he? Adlet saw the fog and the sword on the dias, hence there's a very real possibility that the barrier really WAS activated, no? Also, when was there a separate fog? All I saw was one fog patch from when the Fiend left, up to the current episode. Even Fremy said the fog wouldn't let up when they were playing with the Altar. What even gave the idea that there was a fake fog anyway? And what proof is there that the Private had been a fiend? I mean unless you actually know for a fact, there's been nothing indicating what the soldier said was outside the ordinary. 1)No.Its not just lameness. You said at your previous post if im not mistaken that we assume the battle and when he was in thought adlet lasted more than just few seconds.I point out to you that the director showed us that its not much but just few seconds.We saw this with our Eyes!!Its you that is assuming the director fooled us...... 2)this one yes its personal opinion. 3)Yes its not illogical,and it makes sense.Dagger in the hole +mist=barrier up.Thats what they were told.Convenient that noone checked about the barrier maybe so,but not so illogical. 4)If it was activated BEFORE he arrived at the temple,it means that someone sneaked in.But then the temple guards would attack the FIRST person inside once the door was blown up.Meaning the guards would have the name of that person!!!Meaning in the sneaking in and out theory everything went down AFTER adlet went out to fight the guards.Again giving that person only few seconds window to come out of the temple,and only for this to happend is to have stealth ability.Unless the key was used.Which would make Mora an accomplish.Something that doesnt blend well with your chamo theory,because as i said above chamo and mora had a big chance to take out the heroes.Cant say 100% not possible but i dont buy it. Is your sneak in theory illogical?HELL NO.If you assume certain things then it makes sense,but same as the nashetania+fake mist theory it again makes sense if we assume stuff.We just stating opinions and theories. About Chamo : 1)Yeah could be.But you not refuting something to disprove 100% what i said.And you have to assume the 8th exists,and one of the rokka's for some reason wants to help the demon king.Can i say you 100% wrong NO.Same way you cant say im 100% wrong as well.It sounds too farfecthed to me but it could be. 2)Sure it could be.So Chamo never used this ability sounds impossible unless she either conspired since she was a little kid or as you say she got this ability from the demon king. But if we go like that we can just simply say Hans did it.Why ? Demon king gave him teleportation skill.He teleported in the temple activated the barrier and teleported out.Can you disprove me?Is it illogical?no but doesnt it sound kinda lame? well just a personal opinion. Same argument u used : ? And what proof is there that the Private had been a fiend? I mean unless you actually know for a fact, there's been nothing indicating what the soldier said was outside the ordinary. It can be used for anything we type.There is no proof about any of our theories...unless we assume things.Depending on your own opinion u judge which assumption is more likey^^. |
Aug 11, 2015 12:56 PM
#278
belial said: This, though I didn't consider the last point, hope this doesn't end like those cheap mystery stories I love the story so far. Only possible weak point that will drive this to cheap (and bad) mystery story is actually the point where something we saw isn't true. belial said: What I found really strange on ep 4 was she telling Adlet to go ahead alone and he leaving Flamie with them. After all that happened Adlet shouldn't have let Flamie with them and if she came with him he would have an alibi. (which would probably lead to the situation we are now though, the 2 running together) Exactly. Actually, if Fremy went with Adlet, things would escalated even faster as everyone could say straight away that "it was you and your half-fiend pal all along" and no one would actually opposed. |
Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
Aug 11, 2015 1:07 PM
#279
belial said: beast_regards said: When you think about it, there is no way to activate the barrier if - soldier told Adlet the truth about the mechanism - Mora isn't lying - what we saw so far is true (e.g. we probably saw what Adlet saw) This, though I didn't consider the last point, hope this doesn't end like those cheap mystery stories Not entirely sure what your stance on Chamo is, I personally haven't found anything that indicates her innocence or her lack of ability to pull things off. The points I made still stand, but that's just me because I haven't seen anything that refutes said points. You say we covered all possibilities for sneaking in, but I don't see anything covered. All you both mentioned was that the period between blowing the door open and entering was too short for anything to happen. That in itself is an assumption. The limited air time wouldn't have us waste whatever precious seconds or minutes it was to indicate just how long Adlet had stood outside the temple before turning back and actually entering. Your argument on whether Adlet could have detected the an intruder whilst he was busy/had his back to the entrance is also up in the air, considering everyone in this show has such amazing abilities anyway. Your entire argument about the barrier being activated after they crowded the alter hinges on the assumption that there was a fake fog AND that the soldier lied. We didn't see an activation like the soldier said, simply because the barrier was activated when Adlet, essentially our POV, wasn't in the vicinity when it occurred. That doesn't mean that it's activation was in any way incongruent with what the soldier had stated. In fact, the fact that the sword was already on the dias indicating that the barrier was indeed activated before Adlet had entered the temple would be proof that the soldier had told the truth about how it was activated, if indeed the barrier was activated at that time as Adlet and everyone else indicated. As for darrboux's points, I personally think it makes sense. If the ultimate plan was to kill off Rokkas, then doing so one-by-one is indeed the easier way to go about it. If Nashetania was actually the 7th, and she was travelling with just Adlet for the first 10 days of the trip, why not kill him first, and then enter the temple with the others with 6 people, or better yet kill off Goldov as well, then enter as 5. It wouldn't matter how many petals are left, because 1.) She's already accomplishing her mission of killing off Rokkas, thinning the herd, in one-on-one situations (which is easier than going 6 on 1 later on), and 2.) if Adlet and Goldov had been killed before reaching the barrier, she would still be in the same situation as she is in right now, with everyone suspicious of each other, but with two less people to kill. Also 3.) because she killed them in one-on-one situations, and no one knew prior to arriving at the temple who had been chosen as Rokkas, no one would even know which Rokka had died, or who the Rokka's had been with when they died. She could still play the innocent bunny if she really was the culprit, and find other opportunities to kill off the others. The suspicion would be pretty much the same as what it currently is, regardless of whether it was 6 people with 5 petals, or 5 people with 4 petals. Plus, then it would be much easier to lay the blame on either Fremy (the known Braves killer) or Hans (the unknown individual). In one fell swoop, she would be left to deal with just Mora and Chamo, which considering the casualties would already be enough to allow the Demon Lord to revive and rule the world, no? Anyway, having read your points, I do see your reasoning about Mora, and given her apparent authority over Chamo.... yeah... I'm not sure what to think anymore..... I guess we'll just have to see what additional information next episode provides. |
L-RyoshiAug 11, 2015 1:17 PM
HESTIAAPPROVES |
Aug 11, 2015 1:14 PM
#280
Jagd84 said: darboux said: Assuming it is Nashe 1) is wrong. She wasn't the only one who saw his mark, the people who with her did too. Besides if the 7th wants the Braves to kill each other so they can work never work together Adlet serves a better purpose being alive. 2) Godlof has known her forever, if she started coming on to him like all of a sudden he would know something was up. 3) Frame for Fremy what for? Everyone already thought she was the 7th to start with and was going to kill her before Hans stood for her. There not time to make any real plans against her either since the two had just met. That said the chances of it being Nash isn't high at the moment outside of paranoia. Like with everyone else there needs to be some logical evidence/reasoning that points to her. Something can't be denied. But we should be flexible because everyone even possibly Adlet himself is suspicious. Well ye the whole point of this was why the nashe theory doesnt seem so smart. 1)Yes she could kill him easily along with the rest of the guards that saw his mark.Then problem solved.She is the princess of the kingdom she could some excuse prisoner tried to escape and killed the guards so i killed him or just run away the same way she did with adlet.... 2) Yes if she came on him all of sudden sure.But she could act like ''oh i was so scared i ran away for the first from the kingdom'' hug him and do the deed when he drops his guards.Goldof is crazy about her and she knows it. 3)I mean frame the gun girl as in for killing goldof or making sure the braves would kill her once they encounter her....who would they believe a half fiend or the princess that would claim she saw her killing Goldof... anyway im tired with this whole mystery stuff gonna wait till it gets explained.Just hope it wont be some utterly stupid explanation. |
Aug 11, 2015 1:20 PM
#281
L-Ryoshi said: Not entirely sure what your stance on Chamo is, I personally haven't found anything that indicates her innocence or her lack of ability to pull things off. Because situation where Chamo is beyond everything relies on Moira's ability to cover for her. |
Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
Aug 11, 2015 1:23 PM
#282
L-Ryoshi said: All you both mentioned was that the period between blowing the door open and entering was too short for anything to happen. The "guards" required 2 hits, it was seconds, it was humanly impossible unless a saint power is involved, and like I said 2 times, if this is the case Maura is the fake. ALSO all 7 had alibis, so it had to be a 8th person. It still would make Maura the fake though L-Ryoshi said: In fact, the fact that the sword was already on the dias indicating that the barrier was indeed activated before Adlet had entered the temple would be proof that the soldier had told the truth about how it was activated In that case Hans and Maura would be fakes, which means we have 5 braves and one was already dead. So it's also improbable. L-Ryoshi said: she was travelling with just Adlet for the first 10 days of the trip, why not kill him first belial said: darboux said: 1)Nashetania could have killed adlet when he was in prison without anyone finding out he was a brave.That means she could have blended with the braves without anyone suspecting her. On darboux's point: 1) Not exactly, because her actions made Adlet seem like the culprit. And if that strange panic mode did indeed activate the barrier she needed someone to blame, if not, she or Goldov would be the suspects Like I said, if she is the fake, it would make sense to keep him alive, she needed him. L-Ryoshi said: better yet kill off Goldov Again.. belial said: 2) He is loyal, it would be strange that even if she is the fake one that he wouldn't protect her. His jealous towards Adlet was pretty obvious, but despite that he seemed pretty loyal. Goldov is an asset imo L-Ryoshi said: 2.) if Adlet and Goldov had been killed before reaching the barrier, she would still be in the same situation as she is in right now, with everyone suspicious of each other, but with two less people to kill. Also No, because if that panic mode was indeed her activating the barrier, she would be the only suspect one and therefor killed (this also refutes your point 3.)) |
Aug 11, 2015 1:25 PM
#283
Having rewatched the last bit of the episode a myriad times, I could feel Adlet's smile seemed forced at first, but then it actually looks like he started believing his own words. The voice actor really did an excellent job in that scene to really bring out his feelings. Anyway, next episode should be very tense if it turns out to be about Adlet hiding from the braves and at the same time looking for the 8th. Cant wait. |
5 main aspects I base my ratings on: 1. Did DramaEnthusiast make a thread about it? 2. Is it better than Breaking Bad? 3. Did MellowJello recommend the shit out of it? 4. Has it caused a (very entertaining) shitstorm on MAL? 5. Is it actually good? Scratch the fifth point, it's not very relevant... |
Aug 11, 2015 1:31 PM
#284
belial said: L-Ryoshi said: All you both mentioned was that the period between blowing the door open and entering was too short for anything to happen. The "guards" required 2 hits, it was seconds, it was humanly impossible unless a saint power is involved, and like I said 2 times, if this is the case Maura is the fake. ALSO all 7 had alibis, so it had to be a 8th person. It still would make Maura the fake though L-Ryoshi said: In fact, the fact that the sword was already on the dias indicating that the barrier was indeed activated before Adlet had entered the temple would be proof that the soldier had told the truth about how it was activated In that case Hans and Maura would be fakes, which means we have 5 braves and one was already dead. So it's also improbable. L-Ryoshi said: she was travelling with just Adlet for the first 10 days of the trip, why not kill him first belial said: darboux said: 1)Nashetania could have killed adlet when he was in prison without anyone finding out he was a brave.That means she could have blended with the braves without anyone suspecting her. On darboux's point: 1) Not exactly, because her actions made Adlet seem like the culprit. And if that strange panic mode did indeed activate the barrier she needed someone to blame, if not, she or Goldov would be the suspects Like I said, if she is the fake, it would make sense to keep him alive, she needed him. L-Ryoshi said: better yet kill off Goldov Again.. belial said: 2) He is loyal, it would be strange that even if she is the fake one that he wouldn't protect her. His jealous towards Adlet was pretty obvious, but despite that he seemed pretty loyal. Goldov is an asset imo L-Ryoshi said: 2.) if Adlet and Goldov had been killed before reaching the barrier, she would still be in the same situation as she is in right now, with everyone suspicious of each other, but with two less people to kill. Also No, because if that panic mode was indeed her activating the barrier, she would be the only suspect one and therefor killed (this also refutes your point 3.)) Question, why would panic-mode indicate her guilt? For everything to fall in place, the guard would have still had to lie to every one of the Braves who knew the "false activation" like you are assuming he did right now, AND the fake fog theory would have to also be working as well. Everything would be just as it is now, because when they all enter, the sword would already be on the dias, indicating a barrier activation already. Her then going into panic mode would lead to the exact same result. And by that time, 3 or 4 of the Rokkas would already be dead, and her ultimate plan would have already succeeded. Also, Adlet being able to hit the temple guards in two hits, ergo indicating he is a saint. Isn't that just speculation? Oh right, and for curiosity's sake, what was Chamo's alibi? She came alone, she killed a monkey fiend.... who witnessed for her? |
L-RyoshiAug 11, 2015 1:35 PM
HESTIAAPPROVES |
Aug 11, 2015 1:42 PM
#285
L-Ryoshi said: Oh right, and for curiosity's sake, what was Chamo's alibi? She came alone, she killed a monkey fiend.... who witnessed for her? Moira, ironically. Yes, one who wasn't with her at all. It is Moira's testimony that says that Chamo don't have any ability that would make activation possible within a limited time available for her when Adlet blasted the door. Of course, since no one was with her, she could've theoretically done so, but in the same time Moira (or anyone else) could've pointed finger at her and say "Chamo did it". Then it would, once again, require Moira testimony to say whether Chamo is capable of such a thing or not. Any theory actually relies on the fact that activation isn't possible without Moira's lying, soldier at fortress lying or scenes we saw didn't happened at all. |
Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
Aug 11, 2015 1:49 PM
#286
beast_regards said: L-Ryoshi said: Oh right, and for curiosity's sake, what was Chamo's alibi? She came alone, she killed a monkey fiend.... who witnessed for her? Moira, ironically. Yes, one who wasn't with her at all. It is Moira's testimony that says that Chamo don't have any ability that would make activation possible within a limited time available for her when Adlet blasted the door. Of course, since no one was with her, she could've theoretically done so, but in the same time Moira (or anyone else) could've pointed finger at her and say "Chamo did it". Then it would, once again, require Moira testimony to say whether Chamo is capable of such a thing or not. Any theory actually relies on the fact that activation isn't possible without Moira's lying, soldier at fortress lying or scenes we saw didn't happened at all. As I mentioned before. They never did speculate on the time between Adlet blasting the door and him entering the temple. The speculation, which Mora disapproved, was that Chamot and the other Saints could not have done what Adlet had speculated: That someone had entered the temple BEFORE Adlet blasted the door, activated the Barrier, and either snuck out before Adlet blasted the door open again, or hid in the temple and escaped when the guards attacked Adlet once the doors were open. The onus on this disapproval was Adlet's insistence that the barrier had been activated even before he even blasted the door, and not that someone had snuck in to do the deed when he was preoccupied. |
HESTIAAPPROVES |
Aug 11, 2015 1:52 PM
#287
L-Ryoshi said: The onus on this disapproval was Adlet's insistence that the barrier had been activated even before he even blasted the door, and not that someone had snuck in to do the deed when he was preoccupied. Then it would be juggling with words that would fall on Moira's head as covering the truth. Oh, why you didn't tell us that the little devil was capable to sneak out why Adlet looked way? You didn't asked/you asked wrong question. |
Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
Aug 11, 2015 1:54 PM
#288
L-Ryoshi said: beast_regards said: L-Ryoshi said: Oh right, and for curiosity's sake, what was Chamo's alibi? She came alone, she killed a monkey fiend.... who witnessed for her? Moira, ironically. Yes, one who wasn't with her at all. It is Moira's testimony that says that Chamo don't have any ability that would make activation possible within a limited time available for her when Adlet blasted the door. Of course, since no one was with her, she could've theoretically done so, but in the same time Moira (or anyone else) could've pointed finger at her and say "Chamo did it". Then it would, once again, require Moira testimony to say whether Chamo is capable of such a thing or not. Any theory actually relies on the fact that activation isn't possible without Moira's lying, soldier at fortress lying or scenes we saw didn't happened at all. As I mentioned before. They never did speculate on the time between Adlet blasting the door and him entering the temple. The speculation, which Mora disapproved, was that Chamot and the other Saints could not have done what Adlet had speculated: That someone had entered the temple BEFORE Adlet blasted the door, activated the Barrier, and either snuck out before Adlet blasted the door open again, or hid in the temple and escaped when the guards attacked Adlet once the doors were open. The onus on this disapproval was Adlet's insistence that the barrier had been activated even before he even blasted the door, and not that someone had snuck in to do the deed when he was preoccupied. You forget the guards.If someone was in before aldet blasted the doors then the guards would go after him when the doors got blasted.......So someone to enter before would need the key so the guards wouldnt go after him.That again involves mora. |
Aug 11, 2015 1:59 PM
#289
beast_regards said: Any theory actually relies on the fact that activation isn't possible without Moira's lying, soldier at fortress lying or scenes we saw didn't happened at all. Exactly this, we already explored almost all possibilities with the info we have. L-Ryoshi said: why would panic-mode indicate her guilt? It doesn't, but it looked too convenient. L-Ryoshi said: the guard would have still had to lie to every one of the Braves who knew the "false activation" As the activation prior to Adlet getting there was told as impossible, as the sneak in was told as also impossible unless Maura is the fake. The solder lying about the activation seems logical L-Ryoshi said: Adlet being able to hit the temple guards in two hits, ergo indicating he is a saint. Isn't that just speculation? LOL what? Also the previous phrase didn't make any sense, so I dunno what's your point with this: L-Ryoshi said: Everything would be just as it is now, because when they all enter, the sword would already be on the dias, indicating a barrier activation already. Her then going into panic mode would lead to the exact same result. And by that time, 3 or 4 of the Rokkas would already be dead, and her ultimate plan would have already succeeded. I have no idea what you said here or what you meant |
Aug 11, 2015 2:05 PM
#290
Just imagine the scene. Adlet blasts the door. Guard golems go after him He crushed the golems. He is distracted by the shapeshifting fiend. Chamo runs into the temple (sneaky little devil, isn't she) and activates the barrier. (how much time she had) Adlet comes in, sees the sword at activation position, he is distracted again ... (Chamot somehow hides in the room and runs away without running into Nashetania, Goldov and Fremy, still manages to kill the fiend and then returns afterwards, like when?) ... then assumed Chamo actually did everything above, comes Moira and completely forget to mention how sneaky and fast Chamo is, just because someone didn't asked her the right question? What do you think Moira is? Trolling Genie abusing exact words? Actually, no, Chamo ability to do anything once again relies on Moira's testimony! |
Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
Aug 11, 2015 2:09 PM
#291
Or adlet did it,for some reason.And the director is just trolling us. |
Aug 11, 2015 2:11 PM
#292
belial said: beast_regards said: Any theory actually relies on the fact that activation isn't possible without Moira's lying, soldier at fortress lying or scenes we saw didn't happened at all. Exactly this, we already explored almost all possibilities with the info we have. L-Ryoshi said: why would panic-mode indicate her guilt? It doesn't, but it looked too convenient. L-Ryoshi said: the guard would have still had to lie to every one of the Braves who knew the "false activation" As the activation prior to Adlet getting there was told as impossible, as the sneak in was told as also impossible unless Maura is the fake. The solder lying about the activation seems logical L-Ryoshi said: Adlet being able to hit the temple guards in two hits, ergo indicating he is a saint. Isn't that just speculation? LOL what? Also the previous phrase didn't make any sense, so I dunno what's your point with this: L-Ryoshi said: Everything would be just as it is now, because when they all enter, the sword would already be on the dias, indicating a barrier activation already. Her then going into panic mode would lead to the exact same result. And by that time, 3 or 4 of the Rokkas would already be dead, and her ultimate plan would have already succeeded. I have no idea what you said here or what you meant For the mora disproving sneaking in as impossible, please refer to my post directly above. For your LOL What... I was quoting you, mate: The "guards" required 2 hits, it was seconds, it was humanly impossible unless a saint power is involved, and like I said 2 times, if this is the case Maura is the fake. ALSO all 7 had alibis, so it had to be a 8th person. It still would make Maura the fake though You said it, not me. I'm just asking you whether you were speculating. Capisce? As for that last box. Essentially I'm saying that if Nashetania had actually killed off Adlet and Goldov on the way to the rendezvous point, all your prior speculations of the fog and the soldier would all still have to be the exact same for when they enter the temple for her ruse to work. Hence, even with two less Rokkas, on entering the temple they would still see the same sight, Nashetania would still be able to do her maniac act, and still be considered innocent. Then the suspicion would fall to Fremy (as the known Rokka killer) and on Hans, whom none of the other Saints knew prior to meeting up here. If Fremy dies in the crossfire and Hans ends up fighting with Mora Chamo and Nash, I expect at least one of the four would die. Hence with 3 or 4 Rokka's dead, the mission to suppress the Demon Lord would fail. Ergo, Nashetania's ultimate plan would have succeeded, even if she killed off Adlet and Goldov before arriving. It's really just that simple. @darboux, please read thoroughly. I never said that the barrier was activated before Adlet blasted the door. ADLET HIMSELF said that in his own defense, and said defense was knocked down by Mora and Hans. NOBODY mentioned about the period between him blasting the door and him entering the temple, not even Adlet himself. Hence nobody even came up with the theory of someone sneaking in between the door blast and Adlet entering the temple. None of the Rokka's even mentioned it before all hell went loose between them all. That is why I said it was still possible, because even though Adlet didn't think of it, doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened. |
L-RyoshiAug 11, 2015 2:17 PM
HESTIAAPPROVES |
Aug 11, 2015 2:12 PM
#293
darboux said: Or adlet did it,for some reason.And the director is just trolling us. Which would make entire story stupid cheap mystery and everyone will hate it once it is revealed ... then it comes to the point where what we saw isn't true (and that one of the points) |
Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
Aug 11, 2015 2:14 PM
#294
beast_regards said: Chamo runs into the temple (sneaky little devil, isn't she) and activates the barrier. She can't be the fake, she is the strongest brave, she can however be helping Maura. It gets back to the same, the clues point to the bunny girl, exceptions to everything we come up with point to Maura it was humanly impossible unless a saint power is involved humanly impossible to run in, activate the barrier and run out. That's what we were talking about Nashetania would still be able to do her maniac act, and still be considered innocent. they were in groups except Chamot, if Chamot were the suspect, the anime wouldn't be a mistery anime, if you know what I mean. So her act (bunnygirl) would only work if 1 person went alone, which is the situation she created went she told Adlet to go alone (for no good reason) |
belialAug 11, 2015 2:24 PM
Aug 11, 2015 2:23 PM
#296
belial said: Nashetania would still be able to do her maniac act, and still be considered innocent. they were in groups except Chamot, if Chamot were the suspect, the anime wouldn't be a mistery anime, if you know what I mean. So her act would only work if 1 person went alone, which is the situation she created went she told Adlet to go alone (for no good reason) Eh? So you denounce Chamo simply because it's too obvious? |
HESTIAAPPROVES |
Aug 11, 2015 2:25 PM
#297
L-Ryoshi said: Eh? So you denounce Chamo simply because it's too obvious? Nope, I just said she can't be the fake. So there has to be someone working with her that isn't a Brave Edit: However you are ignoring the context on this one. Chamot wouldn't have any motivation to do it this way when she could kill every brave directly. It would make sense if it was planned and she was following orders from Maura, but she can't be the fake |
Aug 11, 2015 2:26 PM
#298
L-Ryoshi said: Eh? So you denounce Chamo simply because it's too obvious? No. I denounce Chamo because Moira must cover for her in order to be successful. (alternative is that Moira is complete idiot, trolling genie or both) Only person who behaved like idiot was Nashetania, like "look at me, I am idiotic little princess smashing things so just trust the head priestess over there saying it's normal ... and forgetting to say things because you don't ask her right questions." |
Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
Aug 11, 2015 2:32 PM
#299
@L-Ryoshi: Also that point was for Nashetanya to get to the temple and Chamot being already there, not to the sneaking in possibility. If Chamot was the prime suspect she would probably kill some braves just from being falsely accused. Also I doubt that Chamo would let the bunny girl play around on the altar PS - All this to conclude that yes, if the bunny girl is the fake, she needed Adlet alive |
Aug 11, 2015 2:37 PM
#300
"Let's do something fun, like Chamot killing things. Or even better, let Chamot kill things by torturing them! Creating complex plan that involves trapping all heroes within the temple is ... boring! Chamot can't count voices in her head when she just stands here. Let's do something fun, like killing or destroying stuff! Granny Moira isn't letting poor Chamot do fun things with her power." |
Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
More topics from this board
» TerribleDiznyOrdiz - Nov 15 |
11 |
by MargraveBlanc
»»
Nov 16, 6:46 PM |
|
» Amazing untilRealityChanges - Jun 10 |
14 |
by thewiru
»»
Oct 10, 1:14 AM |
|
Poll: » Rokka no Yuusha Episode 4 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )Stark700 - Jul 25, 2015 |
306 |
by Rexnihilo
»»
Jun 14, 6:10 AM |
|
Poll: » Rokka no Yuusha Episode 12 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )Stark700 - Sep 19, 2015 |
984 |
by WienGirl
»»
Jun 6, 6:07 AM |
|
Poll: » Rokka no Yuusha Episode 10 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )Stark700 - Sep 5, 2015 |
577 |
by WienGirl
»»
Jun 6, 5:46 AM |