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| There are only 3 possibilities I can think of: 1. All works (aside from possibly DEEN) are canon 2. Only the "definite" versions of the source materials are canon 3. Different mediums (and perhaps anime studios) have their own seperate "anime multiverse". All of it is canon but exist in different "multiverses", while all of the "multiverses" are still part of the "Nasuverse" (hence canon). If you want to argue that anime TV F/Z is canon, but anime TV UBW is not, then please feel free to tell me why, considering the above mentioned possibilities. |
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Grey-Zone said: There are only 3 possibilities I can think of: 1. All works (aside from possibly DEEN) are canon 2. Only the "definite" versions of the source materials are canon 3. Different mediums (and perhaps anime studios) have their own seperate "anime multiverse". All of it is canon but exist in different "multiverses", while all of the "multiverses" are still part of the "Nasuverse" (hence canon). DEEN probably has more relevance to being canon considering the whole overedge thing. |
| LOL what the hell was that mutant green fish and what does it even have to do with the ritual? Honestly that was the only memorable thing in this episode. |
Z4k said: LOL what the hell was that mutant green fish and what does it even have to do with the ritual? Honestly that was the only memorable thing in this episode. What about the giant Shinji monster :P |
SaintEmiya said: DEEN probably has more relevance to being canon considering the whole overedge thing. DEEN wasn't included in that magazine timeline last year. |
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SaintEmiya said: Z4k said: LOL what the hell was that mutant green fish and what does it even have to do with the ritual? Honestly that was the only memorable thing in this episode. What about the giant Shinji monster :P It's a tardigrade GET IT RIGHT |
Grey-Zone said: SaintEmiya said: DEEN probably has more relevance to being canon considering the whole overedge thing. DEEN wasn't included in that magazine timeline last year. Huh wut. What magazine timelime? And if it's not considered canon at all then how come Nasu got a boner over the overedge stuff and it's been included in Prilya o.O |
SaintEmiya said: Z4k said: LOL what the hell was that mutant green fish and what does it even have to do with the ritual? Honestly that was the only memorable thing in this episode. What about the giant Shinji monster :P He was just chilling with Gilgamesh. |
SaintEmiya said: Grey-Zone said: DEEN wasn't included in that magazine timeline last year. Huh wut. What magazine timelime? And if it's not considered canon at all then how come Nasu got a boner over the overedge stuff and it's been included in Prilya o.O  |
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Grey-Zone said: There are only 3 possibilities I can think of: 1. All works (aside from possibly DEEN) are canon 2. Only the "definite" versions of the source materials are canon 3. Different mediums (and perhaps anime studios) have their own seperate "anime multiverse". All of it is canon but exist in different "multiverses", while all of the "multiverses" are still part of the "Nasuverse" (hence canon). If you want to argue that anime TV F/Z is canon, but anime TV UBW is not, then please feel free to tell me why, considering the above mentioned possibilities. Some source materials are canon and others are not. Tv F/Z is not canon by the way, but it's closer to canon than UBW since it's a closer adaptation. |
fst said: SaintEmiya said: What about the giant Shinji monster :P It's a tardigrade GET IT RIGHT Oh dear god why did I google this, it looks... wrong... However, my first impression was that it's the physical reincarnation of Angra Mainyu as the true evils of the world. If that is the case I do think it's pretty cool, and a nice hint at heavens feel - so long as they don't outright explain it completely, I'd be kinda happy with keeping the giant Angra Mainyu thing (if I'm right) a mystery for now. |
SaintEmiya said: Huh wut. What magazine timelime? And if it's not considered canon at all then how come Nasu got a boner over the overedge stuff and it's been included in Prilya o.O One of those things Nasu likes to do, escpacially when it comes to Archer: RETCONS! He approved of DEEN in the past... but Nasu probably felt it was time to reveal that cooperating with DEEN was "embarassing" and while keeping their "overedge", he cut off his connections with them, i.e. he "retconned" them out of canon, just like he always does. |
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| DEEN was never canon so what are you on about now? |
Insertanamehere said: DEEN was never canon so what are you on about now? I still remember in the past in an interview he talked quite positively about DEEN. You remember it? That thing where he said "Fate (route) is a boy meets girl story"? |
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Insertanamehere said: You have yet to provide any method of determining what is canon and what is not besides your own opinion. If you cannot come up with a method please stop.Grey-Zone said: There are only 3 possibilities I can think of: 1. All works (aside from possibly DEEN) are canon 2. Only the "definite" versions of the source materials are canon 3. Different mediums (and perhaps anime studios) have their own seperate "anime multiverse". All of it is canon but exist in different "multiverses", while all of the "multiverses" are still part of the "Nasuverse" (hence canon). If you want to argue that anime TV F/Z is canon, but anime TV UBW is not, then please feel free to tell me why, considering the above mentioned possibilities. Some source materials are canon and others are not. Tv F/Z is not canon by the way, but it's closer to canon than UBW since it's a closer adaptation. |
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Mickdrew said: This thread, just wow..... |
Insertanamehere said: DEEN was never canon so what are you on about now? If DEEN was never Canon then Archer loses overedge. Can't cherry pick these things! Nasu can say what he wants but he says tons of shit that contradicts his own works all the time. |
Ketuekigami said: You have yet to provide any method of determining what is canon and what is not besides your own opinion. If you cannot come up with a method please stop. Those which contradict mechanics from the setting or scenes from their original are obviously not canon. Grey-Zone said: Insertanamehere said: DEEN was never canon so what are you on about now? I still remember in the past in an interview he talked quite positively about DEEN. You remember it? That thing where he said "Fate (route) is a boy meets girl story"? Ok, that doesn't make it canon. SaintEmiya said: Insertanamehere said: DEEN was never canon so what are you on about now? If DEEN was never Canon then Archer loses overedge. Can't cherry pick these things! Nasu can say what he wants but he says tons of shit that contradicts his own works all the time. Overedge being added to canon=/=DEEN being canon |
astroprogs said: Mickdrew said: This thread, just wow..... 'Tis glorious. |
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Insertanamehere said: Ketuekigami said: You have yet to provide any method of determining what is canon and what is not besides your own opinion. If you cannot come up with a method please stop. Those which contradict mechanics from the setting or scenes from their original are obviously not canon. Grey-Zone said: I still remember in the past in an interview he talked quite positively about DEEN. You remember it? That thing where he said "Fate (route) is a boy meets girl story"? Ok, that doesn't make it canon. SaintEmiya said: If DEEN was never Canon then Archer loses overedge. Can't cherry pick these things! Nasu can say what he wants but he says tons of shit that contradicts his own works all the time. Overedge being added to canon=/=DEEN being canon Prism Illya doesn't contradict anything as it is a different universe... How is it not canon? Type-Moon is a multiverse which means literally anything is possible, there is no contradictions. It's not that simple with every piece of fiction. |
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| Nasu: I am the bone of my retcon Takeuchi draws the body and ufotable animates the blood I have retconned over a thousand things Unknown to Excalibur projection, nor known to sex scenes Have withstood DEEN to create overedge Yet studio DEEN will never maintain it's canon status So as i pray, Unlimited Retcon Works! |
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Ketuekigami said: Prism Illya doesn't contradict anything as it is a different universe... How is it not canon? Type-Moon is a multiverse which means literally anything is possible, there is no contradictions. It's not that simple with every piece of fiction. I wasn't actually talking about Prillya but, then I guess Carnival Phantasm and UC are canon. Oh and every single scene of HA, including Shinji finding a card game that would let him take over the world. |
Grey-Zone said: Nasu: I am the bone of my retcon Takeuchi draws the body and ufotable animates the blood I have retconned over a thousand things Unknown to Excalibur projection, nor known to sex scenes Have withstood DEEN to create overedge Yet studio DEEN will never maintain it's canon status So as i pray, Unlimited Retcon Works! Basically this. |
Insertanamehere said: Ketuekigami said: Prism Illya doesn't contradict anything as it is a different universe... How is it not canon? Type-Moon is a multiverse which means literally anything is possible, there is no contradictions. It's not that simple with every piece of fiction. I wasn't actually talking about Prillya but, then I guess Carnival Phantasm and UC are canon. Oh and every single scene of HA, including Shinji finding a card game that would let him take over the world. Wait... Are you implying that FHA isn't canon? |
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Ketuekigami said: Insertanamehere said: I wasn't actually talking about Prillya but, then I guess Carnival Phantasm and UC are canon. Oh and every single scene of HA, including Shinji finding a card game that would let him take over the world. Wait... Are you implying that FHA isn't canon? ...Are you implying that it is? |
Ketuekigami said: Insertanamehere said: I wasn't actually talking about Prillya but, then I guess Carnival Phantasm and UC are canon. Oh and every single scene of HA, including Shinji finding a card game that would let him take over the world. Wait... Are you implying that FHA isn't canon? I said every single scene, and not HA. There are obviously some which are canon and some which are comedic exaggeration. |
Insertanamehere said: I'm pretty sure typemoon calls that a parody, not an AUCarnival Phantasm |
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KamiCity said: Insertanamehere said: I'm pretty sure typemoon calls that a parody, not an AUCarnival Phantasm By the logic that it being a multiverse makes anything canon, CP is canon. And so is this |
| ^If Berserker only has 1 life left it's not impossible for her to kill him. I mean... |
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Insertanamehere said: It's a comedic take on the possibilities. Multiverse means that for every possibility there is a universe where it happens Ketuekigami said: Wait... Are you implying that FHA isn't canon? I said every single scene, and not HA. There are obviously some which are canon and some which are comedic exaggeration. . And Type-Moon is unarguably a multiverse. You may think it's stupid but your opinion isn't what makes it canon or not. And no. As with fighting games of any anime the fighting itself is not canon.... I actually can't believe I had to say that. |
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Insertanamehere said: KamiCity said: I'm pretty sure typemoon calls that a parody, not an AU By the logic that it being a multiverse makes anything canon, CP is canon. I don't know how CP fits into the multiverse though? It makes no sense. Also how does user controlled actions fit into the multiuniverse? I mean you're grasping at straws right now. |
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Grey-Zone said: ^If Berserker only has 1 life left it's not impossible for her to kill him. I mean... I'm sure she can block her swings with her arms and knock him out with punching then. Anyway, this conversation is no longer even about UBW and is apparently going nowhere so it's probably time to stop. |
| Fucking not-dolphins. Lame. Let's wrap this thing up soon. |
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| Somewhere in japan someone thought Rin's form of tsundere was anywhere near bearable, her character's not even funny or comedic in any way, just outright immature, inconsistent, flat and annoying. |
Insertanamehere said: Ketuekigami said: Wait... Are you implying that FHA isn't canon? I said every single scene, and not HA. There are obviously some which are canon and some which are comedic exaggeration. You can't cherry pick certain things out of an anime/adaptation/whatever of something to call Canon and then rest of it not canon. I can't read the the Sons of Hurin, set in middle earth and choose only half the fucking book as canon because I didn't like the rest. This is so ridiculous. |
| Next episode, the episode director of Episode 0 will once again come back to direct the episode. Most people liked EP0, right? |
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| whelp, guess it's not ending then SaintEmiya said: You can't cherry pick certain things out of an anime/adaptation/whatever of something to call Canon and then rest of it not canon. I can't read the the Sons of Hurin, set in middle earth and choose only half the fucking book as canon because I didn't like the rest. This is so ridiculous. So are you saying, completely unironically, that it is definite canon that Shinji found a card game which, if he won, would let him conquer the world, and merely flicking the card caused a massive storm and tidal wave? The Children of Hurin has no scene in which Mim rolls a die with Turin and the winner will rule Middle Earth, unless we're reading different books. |
Sonotoki said: Somewhere in japan someone thought Rin's form of tsundere was anywhere near bearable, her character's not even funny or comedic in any way, just outright immature, inconsistent, flat and annoying. Yet she is loved by so many people. "Opinions" everyone thinks theirs are better than everyone else's. |
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Grey-Zone said: Next episode, the episode director of Episode 0 will once again come back to direct the episode. Most people liked EP0, right? He's also the guy everyones blaming for the adaptation not being how they wanted. A chance for redemption has presented itself |
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Insertanamehere said: whelp, guess it's not ending then SaintEmiya said: You can't cherry pick certain things out of an anime/adaptation/whatever of something to call Canon and then rest of it not canon. I can't read the the Sons of Hurin, set in middle earth and choose only half the fucking book as canon because I didn't like the rest. This is so ridiculous. So are you saying, completely unironically, that it is definite canon that Shinji found a card game which, if he won, would let him conquer the world, and merely flicking the card caused a massive storm and tidal wave? Yes. Because that's how canon works. It can be retarded or whatever, but if it's part of the world, it's endorsed/allowed by it's original creator and the creator never explicitly states it's not canon then yes it's canon. EVen if in your opinion it's too ridiculous. |
Insertanamehere said: If it was explained as a noble phantasm level artifact you should have no complaints. But it's possible in the same way there is a sword that is a key. And a sword tube that can destroy the world. How is a card with even 1/1000th of that power not believable.whelp, guess it's not ending then SaintEmiya said: You can't cherry pick certain things out of an anime/adaptation/whatever of something to call Canon and then rest of it not canon. I can't read the the Sons of Hurin, set in middle earth and choose only half the fucking book as canon because I didn't like the rest. This is so ridiculous. So are you saying, completely unironically, that it is definite canon that Shinji found a card game which, if he won, would let him conquer the world, and merely flicking the card caused a massive storm and tidal wave? As stated above, canon is what the original creators decide. |
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| Anime-only viewer, here. WTF does Shirou trying out for the track team have to do with anything? This show needs to either explain its shit to people who haven't read the VN, or just put a big ass disclaimer at the beginning of each episode that if you haven't read the VN you may as well not bother watching, because it's sure as hell not going to explain anything to you. Also, when your sperm turns green and mutates like that, it's time to visit your family physician, Shirou. I'm concerned for your testicular health, bro. :( |
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Nekuwafers said: Grey-Zone said: Next episode, the episode director of Episode 0 will once again come back to direct the episode. Most people liked EP0, right? He's also the guy everyones blaming for the adaptation not being how they wanted. A chance for redemption has presented itself PSSSHT! Don't say anymore! It's supposed to be a trick question so that the ignorant people can't take back what they say once I quote them! |
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| This adaptation has been a complete and utter mistake. I'm usually not even one of the hardcore VN fags who complains about every little thing, but when you botch two characters completely, you're doing something wrong. Way to ruin the best route. I guess the nice visuals make it up for some people, now if only the fight choreography wasn't so garbage that it's all literally just explosions and sparks flying around, then maybe I could like this a bit more. |
RAWRfizzz said: Anime-only viewer, here. WTF does Shirou trying out for the track team have to do with anything? This show needs to either explain its shit to people who haven't read the VN, or just put a big ass disclaimer at the beginning of each episode that if you haven't read the VN you may as well not bother watching, because it's sure as hell not going to explain anything to you. Also, when your sperm turns green and mutates like that, it's time to visit your family physician, Shirou. I'm concerned for your testicular health, bro. :( The high jump thing is to show Shirou's mindset of not giving up and being completely devoted to the task at hand. Also to show that Rin had been interested in Shirou for a long time. |
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SaintEmiya said: Yes. Because that's how canon works. It can be retarded or whatever, but if it's part of the world, it's endorsed/allowed by it's original creator and the creator never explicitly states it's not canon then yes it's canon. EVen if in your opinion it's too ridiculous. Ketuekigami said: If it was explained as a noble phantasm level artifact you should have no complaints. But it's possible in the same way there is a sword that is a key. As stated above, canon is what the original creators decide. Yeah okay I guess there really is no need to continue this conversation, i'm done here. |
| I'm afraid of watching this episode now....... |
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RAWRfizzz said: Anime-only viewer, here. WTF does Shirou trying out for the track team have to do with anything? This show needs to either explain its shit to people who haven't read the VN, or just put a big ass disclaimer at the beginning of each episode that if you haven't read the VN you may as well not bother watching, because it's sure as hell not going to explain anything to you. Also, when your sperm turns green and mutates like that, it's time to visit your family physician, Shirou. I'm concerned for your testicular health, bro. :( She met him and fell for him when they were little, and it's a secret she's been carrying for a while now. I thought it was pretty self explanatory, I mean she did say he peeked into one of her secrets. Also, somehow the scene everyone is complaining about turned out to be implied sex anyway by AO viewers. Also, Grey-Zone said: It's a teaser for HF. Since that scene gets explained in HF |
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