My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected (light novel)
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May 22, 2015 8:43 AM
#201
isvak said: NudeBear said: appu1232 said: isvak said: Am I the only one who thinks that 8man won't end up with either Yui or Yukino? I guess he only sees them as friends. Him ending up alone is a very plausible bittersweet ending and it makes so much sense that I wouldn't be surprised. I -understand- that he not ending up in a relationship makes sense, but alone? I don't think so. Hachiman finally admitted that he doesn't want to be alone, he wants a relationship. Whether its romantic, friendship, or companionship; he wants something genuine. He's not going to hide behind the whole "I'm a loner and I like being alone" facade anymore. He's changing. that's exactly what I was going to say. He will end with friends, being a social person -that I hope-, but I don't see him with any of the girls (although I'd love to see him with Iroha or Yui haha) I'd love to see him as Sensei's Husbandooo LOL |
May 22, 2015 8:46 AM
#202
Seiryuu2 said: isvak said: NudeBear said: appu1232 said: isvak said: Am I the only one who thinks that 8man won't end up with either Yui or Yukino? I guess he only sees them as friends. Him ending up alone is a very plausible bittersweet ending and it makes so much sense that I wouldn't be surprised. I -understand- that he not ending up in a relationship makes sense, but alone? I don't think so. Hachiman finally admitted that he doesn't want to be alone, he wants a relationship. Whether its romantic, friendship, or companionship; he wants something genuine. He's not going to hide behind the whole "I'm a loner and I like being alone" facade anymore. He's changing. that's exactly what I was going to say. He will end with friends, being a social person -that I hope-, but I don't see him with any of the girls (although I'd love to see him with Iroha or Yui haha) I'd love to see him as Sensei's Husbandooo LOL hahahahaha that's a good one, it'd be great. he made her blush so there may be some chances hahaha |
If Evangelion were Rokka no Yuusha the seventh would be Shinji. |
May 22, 2015 8:54 AM
#203
NudeBear said: appu1232 said: isvak said: Am I the only one who thinks that 8man won't end up with either Yui or Yukino? I guess he only sees them as friends. Him ending up alone is a very plausible bittersweet ending and it makes so much sense that I wouldn't be surprised. I -understand- that he not ending up in a relationship makes sense, but alone? I don't think so. Hachiman finally admitted that he doesn't want to be alone, he wants a relationship. Whether its romantic, friendship, or companionship; he wants something genuine. He's not going to hide behind the whole "I'm a loner and I like being alone" facade anymore. He's changing. The thing is by the end of the series He's definitely gonna be faced between two choices either have a girlfriend or not. Yui has been desperate for him since early on i dunno about Yukino but Yui for sure wants a relationship with Hachiman. Yui's confession is bound to happen whether Hiki wants it or not he can't avoid her advances for long and he'll have to face that fact sooner or later. The story made it a point that keeping the status quo isn't a very good option. The story has to or will end with somebody in tears. If Hachiman doesn't want any romantic relationship with anyone Yui is bound to be in tears. |
May 22, 2015 9:00 AM
#204
isvak said: NudeBear said: appu1232 said: isvak said: Am I the only one who thinks that 8man won't end up with either Yui or Yukino? I guess he only sees them as friends. Him ending up alone is a very plausible bittersweet ending and it makes so much sense that I wouldn't be surprised. I -understand- that he not ending up in a relationship makes sense, but alone? I don't think so. Hachiman finally admitted that he doesn't want to be alone, he wants a relationship. Whether its romantic, friendship, or companionship; he wants something genuine. He's not going to hide behind the whole "I'm a loner and I like being alone" facade anymore. He's changing. that's exactly what I was going to say. He will end with friends, being a social person -that I hope-, but I don't see him with any of the girls (although I'd love to see him with Iroha or Yui haha) wow, you and me had the same wish, that hope 8man end up with Iroha or Yui, i like Yukion but i don't want her end up with 8man, i just don't feel they are concordant, but Iroha and Yui are 2 best girls i love most. I think they are fit with 8man. But i think this season will end with no love because light novel is not finished, maybe open ending and hope ss3 will be made |
May 22, 2015 9:01 AM
#205
Best episode. That was so good. 8man crying was something I never expected to see in my lifetime. |
May 22, 2015 9:02 AM
#206
molassus said: I find shipping makes me enjoy a anime more then if I didn't ship anything but that's just me lol. So YuixHachiman forever!Winterluffy said: Is anyone else getting that forced romance feel from this. Like Yukino will come outta nowhere in the end of season 2 with no buildup to become Hachimans girlfriend :(. While the ones the anime actually portrays as future couples will be left behind. YuixHachiman yes I'm judging this solely on the anime. Gov said: Winterluffy said: Is anyone else getting that forced romance feel from this. Like Yukino will come outta nowhere in the end of season 2 with no buildup to become Hachimans girlfriend :(. While the ones the anime actually portrays as future couples will be left behind. YuixHachiman yes I'm judging this solely on the anime. Not going to happen. They can barely talk to each other, let alone be a couple. They also don't complement each other like Hachiman and Yui do. I can see Yui and Hachiman beng a couple in the third season but that is jut me speculating. Overall good episode. Well fist of all, You should just probably drop your shipping goggles and just enjoy the series for what it's worth. Being blinded by your hate on a single character will prevent you from trying to understand said character. Better watch the series in an Objective View point to actually have a better understanding of the characters. |
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May 22, 2015 9:04 AM
#207
Don't know who from Takeuchi and Araki animated the genuine scene but kuddos to them, I got the feels. 10/10 Plus Why the heck would 10 year gap stop you on tapping that sensei ass? I would marry her from the get-go. |
May 22, 2015 9:08 AM
#208
Winterluffy said: molassus said: I find shipping makes me enjoy a anime more then if I didn't ship anything but that's just me lol. So YuixHachiman forever!Winterluffy said: Is anyone else getting that forced romance feel from this. Like Yukino will come outta nowhere in the end of season 2 with no buildup to become Hachimans girlfriend :(. While the ones the anime actually portrays as future couples will be left behind. YuixHachiman yes I'm judging this solely on the anime. Gov said: Winterluffy said: Is anyone else getting that forced romance feel from this. Like Yukino will come outta nowhere in the end of season 2 with no buildup to become Hachimans girlfriend :(. While the ones the anime actually portrays as future couples will be left behind. YuixHachiman yes I'm judging this solely on the anime. Not going to happen. They can barely talk to each other, let alone be a couple. They also don't complement each other like Hachiman and Yui do. I can see Yui and Hachiman beng a couple in the third season but that is jut me speculating. Overall good episode. Well fist of all, You should just probably drop your shipping goggles and just enjoy the series for what it's worth. Being blinded by your hate on a single character will prevent you from trying to understand said character. Better watch the series in an Objective View point to actually have a better understanding of the characters. Hachiman is obviously going to end up with Saika. |
May 22, 2015 9:09 AM
#209
Redhead_Tsundere said: Don't know who from Takeuchi and Araki animated the genuine scene but kuddos to them, I got the feels. 10/10 Plus Why the heck would 10 year gap stop you on tapping that sensei ass? I would marry her from the get-go. Because she sees him as a brat. |
May 22, 2015 9:14 AM
#210
Poor guy got left out again, should have done a triple hug. |
May 22, 2015 9:17 AM
#211
I have this freaking suspicion that 8man himself doesn't know what he's really looking for. What does his search for something real had to do with Tobe's request, Iroha, Yukino, Yui or sensei? See, the "something real" statement itself is too broad. I really think he's just confused (not that I blame him) and the pseudo-solution that happened in their club (with the whole FEELS I might add) will one day crumble and he'll find himself again going under the same problem. He wants something real? I could give him something real. and its not pretty. rant post ahead. Someone I'm chatting with declared to me this. "For as long as humans are bound to oxygen, food and water, humans will have all the reason to lie and deceive." Gave it a thought overnight and finally decided to accept it. It was ugly yet it perfectly described humanity as someone who will continuously consume just for the heck of it. The statement would be far more intense if you're someone who doesn't know where to get the money to place food on the table and might be forced to "deceive others" in the name of primal necessity. Pretty scary as well when you think that people uses the word "relationship" as a sugarcoating way of (ab)using others for their own whims and fleshly needs. And well, speaking of forcing others to their whims, religion is perhaps the number 1 notorious to this. Something like "god gave me authority according to chapter X verse Y-Z, so I order you to take off your clothes" or something. And again, its really ugly. And finally, the question that perhaps cannot be answered: How the hell can Shizuka afford an Aston Martin? |
kidlat020May 22, 2015 9:25 AM
>I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
May 22, 2015 9:24 AM
#212
Nikodead said: isvak said: NudeBear said: appu1232 said: isvak said: Am I the only one who thinks that 8man won't end up with either Yui or Yukino? I guess he only sees them as friends. Him ending up alone is a very plausible bittersweet ending and it makes so much sense that I wouldn't be surprised. I -understand- that he not ending up in a relationship makes sense, but alone? I don't think so. Hachiman finally admitted that he doesn't want to be alone, he wants a relationship. Whether its romantic, friendship, or companionship; he wants something genuine. He's not going to hide behind the whole "I'm a loner and I like being alone" facade anymore. He's changing. that's exactly what I was going to say. He will end with friends, being a social person -that I hope-, but I don't see him with any of the girls (although I'd love to see him with Iroha or Yui haha) wow, you and me had the same wish, that hope 8man end up with Iroha or Yui, i like Yukion but i don't want her end up with 8man, i just don't feel they are concordant, but Iroha and Yui are 2 best girls i love most. I think they are fit with 8man. But i think this season will end with no love because light novel is not finished, maybe open ending and hope ss3 will be made Hahaha yes! Iroha is so kawaii :3 that'd be so great, i'd love to have a season 3. |
If Evangelion were Rokka no Yuusha the seventh would be Shinji. |
May 22, 2015 9:24 AM
#213
Hold up. How can Sensei afford an Aston Martin? Anyway, I'd marry her already. Jesus Christ, she's the best woman. The smoking part can be cut off, though. And Batman finally said it. He finally finally said it! He added in some tears with the package, too! I wasn't expecting him to admit that everything he has done was wrong, though. Does this mean he's gonna give his cursed ability? |
May 22, 2015 9:29 AM
#214
You ask how can Shizuka afford an Aston Martin? well actually, she is but one of the few who had the Reading Steiner along with Okabe Rintaro that can jump between worldlines. What you're seeing on that precise moment was actually on the 40.08xxxx% worldline. This is top secret information and should not be made public. El. Psy. Congroo. |
>I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
May 22, 2015 9:29 AM
#215
Farabeuf said: appu1232 said: Ruzgfpegk said: appu1232 said: That's kind of why I wish this episode didn't end so early. Now we have to deal with another week of people complaining that they don't understand Yukino's attitude and thus hate her as a character. To be fair, at this point I think I'll need a spectacular explanation to change my mind about the layer of hell I think she deserves. Also, a character can be both understood and hated. Well you're not going to get a spectacular explanation that's for sure. If anything there'll be closure. If you still hate her character up to this point then I doubt anything else that's coming up will change your mind. That said I don't really get the hate for the posters that are defending Yukino, myself included. It's not like we're saying "YUKINO BEST GIRL U KIDS BETTER APPRECIATE OR ELSE UR LOSERS" Most of the time some neutral party asks what's going on, we give a reasonalbe explanation to it that is not very far-fetched at all, and then we are greeted with much backlash. Not you specifically btw, just in general. I think there's a gulf in the perceptions of Yukino between the novel readers and anime only crowd. For the most part, novel readers have a much more positive perception of Yukino than those who have only watched the show. I think one is going to have to accept that a) either they didn't do a good job when it came to adapting Yukino, or b) the shows producers are trying to be a lot more neutral about Hachimans views on the girls. As a fellow novel reader you cannot deny that Hachiman almost always has something positive to say about Yukino in his monologues. If he's not in love, then at least he's in awe of her and all she represents. Even his descriptions of her every time he sees her are almost in verse. I think the fact that those are descriptions/monologues missing, make anime watchers just less positive towards her, and only judge her actions, without stepping back an trying to imagine what she's thinking. But that's fair enough too. I think you're gonna have to accept that show viewers have a valid point too. Makes a lot of sense. I do tend to see a more positive view on Yukino from those who've read the light novels. |
May 22, 2015 9:36 AM
#216
Does anyone else think that if the studio who made the first season did Zoku as well, it wouldn't have been this dramatic? In other words the animation style wouldn't have fit the drama around the characters. Good job from Feel studio. |
May 22, 2015 9:37 AM
#217
What an episode, glad she accepted his request in the end tho. |
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May 22, 2015 9:42 AM
#218
kidlat020 said: I have this freaking suspicion that 8man himself doesn't know what he's really looking for. What does his search for something real had to do with Tobe's request, Iroha, Yukino, Yui or sensei? See, the "something real" statement itself is too broad. I really think he's just confused (not that I blame him) and the pseudo-solution that happened in their club (with the whole FEELS I might add) will one day crumble and he'll find himself again going under the same problem. He wants something real? I could give him something real. and its not pretty. rant post ahead. Someone I'm chatting with declared to me this. "For as long as humans are bound to oxygen, food and water, humans will have all the reason to lie and deceive." Gave it a thought overnight and finally decided to accept it. It was ugly yet it perfectly described humanity as someone who will continuously consume just for the heck of it. The statement would be far more intense if you're someone who doesn't know where to get the money to place food on the table and might be forced to "deceive others" in the name of primal necessity. Pretty scary as well when you think that people uses the word "relationship" as a sugarcoating way of (ab)using others for their own whims and fleshly needs. And well, speaking of forcing others to their whims, religion is perhaps the number 1 notorious to this. Something like "god gave me authority according to chapter X verse Y-Z, so I order you to take off your clothes" or something. And again, its really ugly. And finally, the question that perhaps cannot be answered: How the hell can Shizuka afford an Aston Martin? Looks like we have our own little Hachiman over here. I hope that one day you'll find the beauty in human relationships. |
NudeBearMay 22, 2015 9:51 AM
May 22, 2015 9:50 AM
#220
One of the highlights Episode of Season 2! First of all, sensei and 8man meeting (on a chance) after his conversation with Yukinon, if you listen very carefully to sensei's and 8man dialogues with each other about the club, their life, and their future as students, you'll realized how good was the LN , the one who wrote it (the author)because it reflects on actual facts, and emphazises on the relationships and struggles of being, and yeah someone/someday will come and make Yui and Yukinon both change and that might be their future half, but sensei's said 8man must make his move, change and help the club and try to settle for their differences The second highlight of the episode, the line "I want something Genuine" here 8man opens himself to both the girls, and try to have that "Genuine" thing he wanted to have all Along, whether its relationships, friendships, etc, who nows what he/they wanted, set aside their differences and be Genuine on their feelings/relationships ... Solid episode, AOTS, 10/10 |
May 22, 2015 9:58 AM
#221
https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1619189_1101237683225078_4977639851101796559_n.jpg?oh=15df73d1591dbd4c3dc5704d9468e856&oe=560CED3F This episode, god damn. Hachiman showing his feelings so much in one episode is too much. |
May 22, 2015 10:02 AM
#222
XenoGeneiken said: Does anyone else think that if the studio who made the first season did Zoku as well, it wouldn't have been this dramatic? In other words the animation style wouldn't have fit the drama around the characters. Good job from Feel studio. Nah, everyone who read the LN saw this coming. Volume 9 is the largest volume out so it's reasonable to get 5 episodes or so for it. There was a lot of drama in it and this studio is doing a good job of not skipping around and not removing crucial scenes. |
May 22, 2015 10:02 AM
#223
NudeBear said: kidlat020 said: I have this freaking suspicion that 8man himself doesn't know what he's really looking for. What does his search for something real had to do with Tobe's request, Iroha, Yukino, Yui or sensei? See, the "something real" statement itself is too broad. I really think he's just confused (not that I blame him) and the pseudo-solution that happened in their club (with the whole FEELS I might add) will one day crumble and he'll find himself again going under the same problem. He wants something real? I could give him something real. and its not pretty. rant post ahead. Someone I'm chatting with declared to me this. "For as long as humans are bound to oxygen, food and water, humans will have all the reason to lie and deceive." Gave it a thought overnight and finally decided to accept it. It was ugly yet it perfectly described humanity as someone who will continuously consume just for the heck of it. The statement would be far more intense if you're someone who doesn't know where to get the money to place food on the table and might be forced to "deceive others" in the name of primal necessity. Pretty scary as well when you think that people uses the word "relationship" as a sugarcoating way of (ab)using others for their own whims and fleshly needs. And well, speaking of forcing others to their whims, religion is perhaps the number 1 notorious to this. Something like "god gave me authority according to chapter X verse Y-Z, so I order you to take off your clothes" or something. And again, its really ugly. And finally, the question that perhaps cannot be answered: How the hell can Shizuka afford an Aston Martin? Looks like we have our own little Hachiman over here. I hope that one day you'll find the beauty in human relationships. Hardly. If I wanted to look at something beautiful, I would never find it in relationships. I'd find it a light bulb. Without a doubt, all people have been under the convenience of light bulb. Before Thomas Edison came (innovator of light bulb), it would be pretty hard to imagine going outside at night. Now we don't even have to think twice about it. compare that to, say, Rumi arc season 1, where 8man made his hypothesis about Yui's so-called friends back in elementary. At best one can practically take hold of 2-3 relationships, but the light bulb benefited all humanity. between 2-3 people or the entire humanity, there's no contest. |
>I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
May 22, 2015 10:07 AM
#224
ElKiddoLoco said: What an episode, glad she accepted his request in the end tho. Now to wait how it all plays out next episode :/ |
May 22, 2015 10:12 AM
#225
Ow, that episode was this, it was excellent, I was pretty excited to see how it would adaptation in this episode, but matched my expectations, the dialogue of Hachiman and the teacher, made me think again that Hachiman perhaps beyond protagonist also the hero of history, is in his hands to help Yukino And as I get excited waiting for the discussion in the club scene, thinking about how it would adaptation, as the drama took over and that soundtrack during the scene, it was possible to feel the tension It really is not only Hachiman who is changing, in recent episodes he had a greater difference from the past, but Yukino that there in the beginning said that never it would be friend of Hachiman shows different attitudes now, cares about him, and even fought and was hurt, she same said he did not notice, but she already made friends As this plot is incredible, I am increasingly excited to continue monitoring both the LN and how much the anime, which in my opinion is being the best of the season and has everything to be among the best of the year .. |
May 22, 2015 10:16 AM
#226
kidlat020 said: Well fuck.You ask how can Shizuka afford an Aston Martin? well actually, she is but one of the few who had the Reading Steiner along with Okabe Rintaro that can jump between worldlines. What you're seeing on that precise moment was actually on the 40.08xxxx% worldline. This is top secret information and should not be made public. El. Psy. Congroo. |
May 22, 2015 10:20 AM
#227
Sensei is too cute! 8-man definitely raised a flag there :O Pretty teary episode, only thing uplifting was Hiki's crying face lol |
May 22, 2015 10:21 AM
#228
Dragon_Slayer_X said: xsilicon9 said: What infirmary scene? LN spoilers........better wait for it or read it yourself. Okay I read a summary of that scene. Who started the rumor? And what was Miura request to the service club? |
May 22, 2015 10:24 AM
#229
Best sensei and best episode though I was spoiled by some idiot about Hachiman tears. |
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May 22, 2015 10:30 AM
#230
zeron824 said: Why is Iroha in the Service Club Room in the OP? Because Iroha is awesome and she's becoming more part of the main cast than any of the other side characters. Iroha basically ends up chilling in the clubroom with the 3 and get close to Hachiman which the other two don't take too kindly. |
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May 22, 2015 10:30 AM
#231
xsilicon9 said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: xsilicon9 said: What infirmary scene? LN spoilers........better wait for it or read it yourself. Okay I read a summary of that scene. Who started the rumor? And what was Miura request to the service club? Read the LN...? |
May 22, 2015 10:33 AM
#232
NudeBear said: appu1232 said: isvak said: Am I the only one who thinks that 8man won't end up with either Yui or Yukino? I guess he only sees them as friends. Him ending up alone is a very plausible bittersweet ending and it makes so much sense that I wouldn't be surprised. I -understand- that he not ending up in a relationship makes sense, but alone? I don't think so. Hachiman finally admitted that he doesn't want to be alone, he wants a relationship. Whether its romantic, friendship, or companionship; he wants something genuine. He's not going to hide behind the whole "I'm a loner and I like being alone" facade anymore. He's changing. He'll either end up with Yukinon or nobody but have strong friendships. Imo this whole series is about delving into the true characteristics of humans and building strong bonds with them. Personally I want Iroha. |
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May 22, 2015 10:43 AM
#233
Adm2008 said: Samhiuy said: Adm2008 said: So could someone explain to me the conversation between Hachiman, Yui and Yukino?, i mean, i understand what Hachiman is trying to do, but what i don't understand is the reaction of Yukino at all, also i don't understand the little argument of both girls, when Yukino something like "you have fallen low" (sorry if its not correct since im watching this from Jap>Eng>Esp so maybe has a mistake), and the final reaction of Yukino. To be honest, I don't remember the exact details from the light novel (and I really don't want to go back just to analyze it to give an explanation). Therefore, I'm going to speak from my experiences and perspective. If you disagree because the LN's intentions are different or your interpretation is different, then that's fine too. I just wanted to say what I believed is true on the matter. Here is how I interpret the 3 different characters. First of all, let's talk about Yukino.(There might be spoilers for future plot points because I can't really remember) She is someone who lives in the shadow of her sister and has an inferiority complex in regards to that. No matter what she does, she doesn't believe herself to be outstanding as people in the school expected her to be. This is because she lacks that charismatic social skills that Haruno has, leading to her own family judging her and comparing her with her sister. Now try and put yourself in her shoes. How would you feel if you are constantly told that your personality is "wrong" and that you should be another person? The stress and expectations led to her wanting to surpass her sister and do what she has never done before (like being the Student Council President). She wanted to be herself - a recluse who would prefer reading over partying and developing relations with a bunch of strangers. So what happens if you are not understood all these years? Hachiman gave up on being understood, but that's not the case for Yukino. She tells Hachiman that it is his responsibility because he was the one at fault right? That's a defensive response to Hachiman blaming himself. Yukino wants to be relied on, she wants someone that can ask her for help. Why? When you are feeling inferior, and think that everything you do is not as good as someone, wouldn't you desire someone to rely on you too? She wants Hachiman to say it is their responsibility, and not his own. She did say that "If you guys insisted, I'll help..." which further supports the idea that she does want to be relied on. It shows that she desires to and NOT desire to help at the same time. To understand this, you have to accept the fact that people are contradictory. While she wants to be relied, she also feels that she is not up to job, plus the job is annoying because it involves Isshiki Iroha. As you can see, both her feelings towards her friends/love interest and her complex causes her to want to help, yet not want to help at the same time. I assume it is more complex than what is shown on the surface. It has to link with her feelings for Hachiman as well. As we can see last time, she got really angry at Hachiman doing a social suicide for Tobe. She also said "I thought you would understand" to Hachiman when he called off the need to run for the Presidential Election. She had placed hope on Hachiman. When I said she wanted someone rely on her, it feels like I'm saying she wants to help others right? That's wrong. She wants to be helped. She wanted someone to understand her complex, wanted someone to pull her out of the hole of "I can't reach the heights my sister did", she wanted someone by her side. But she didn't get that. That's why she doesn't understand Hachiman. Just like how Hachiman was disappointed in Yukino when he found out she was in the car that hit him, Yukino was disappointed in Hachiman for not understanding her. In both of these cases, they are disappointed because their own ideal perspective of each other has been shattered. "What exactly does he wants? What is genuine?" - She doesn't understand because she doesn't have the answer too. The relationship between the 3 has been quite stale lately and there was gap between them. Hachiman shatters her ideal perspective of him, so she begins to question what exactly Hachiman desires. This is the growth that the teacher is talking about. If you don't hurt each other, you won't be able to understand anything (wait, did she say that? Whatever, this is what I think anyway). Yukino cannot see Hachiman's thoughts NOR the events he went through without her. To her, him asking for help and wanting something genuine after helping in maintaining the superficial relationship between Tobe and Ebina (and their friends) is something "alien". He suddenly became someone she no longer understand. She runs away not because she doesn't want to understand Hachiman, but she wants to calm down because she doesn't know what to do herself. Next is Yui - she is very very easy to understand. The argument that have is due to the difference in personality. Yui is like your typical teenager, one who has joined a social circle and is very outgoing. Because of that, Yui is easily influenced by the social responses and conforms to the "standard" way of thinking. Let's start looking at ourselves in 3rd person, as well as other people. The Internet is the worst place for social relationships because everything ugly comes out. Yui reprimanded Yukino for being way too harsh on Hachiman, and being unfair to him. Yukino responded saying that she is just someone going along with the mood and that her actions are unfair too. Alright, let's look at the society. Patriotism, negative cohesion, cognitive dissonance and so on...are things are common in our society. Have you heard of these terms before? Allow me to explain, patriotism occurs when a lot of people started supporting their own country blindly - in other words, it is nationalism. Why does it happen? I don't want you think whether it is right or wrong to love your country. Look at it in 3rd person instead of your own viewpoint. We'll be looking at the cause of it. People are easily influenced by the mass. This is what we called cognitive dissonance. Taking America for example, we can see that the citizens love their country and do not see anything wrong with doing so. Let's imagine yourself as an American citizen (if you aren't). You live a plain life and have never involved yourself with any nationalistic movement. You don't hate your country nor do you love your country. However, your family and friends think you are insane for being so indifferent. So what happens? You have two conflicting ideals that can't exist at the same - one is you being indifferent to America as a country, and the other is that you love America. Wait, hold on!! How did you suddenly come to love America? That is because your friends and family are causing you discomfort by constantly telling you that you are wrong and mistaken. People think you are insane and sooner or later, you started thinking the same. You ask yourself "Am I right? Or are they right? Which side should I choose?". Different people have different reactions, but Yui is one that would conform. Yui does not desire conflict, so she would choose to side with others rather than herself. Therefore, Yui will desire to accept that America is the best rather than continue being hated on by others. If you are Yui, would you react the same? That's another question. In short, cognitive dissonance is when you try to eliminate one belief to hold another, so to make yourself feel better AKA conforming to what others expect of you. This is the opposite of Yukino. Yukino wants to be understood, but not on the same level as Yui. She does not mind conflict and in fact would keep people away from her if she thinks they are too troublesome. Yui wants to be a part of something, while Yukino wants a part of something. Wanting to be a part of and wanting the part itself is something different. To be a part of, you need to change yourself to suit their needs. To want a part, you want the part to change to suit your needs. So while they both want to be understood, they are both drastically different from one another. Lastly, negative cohesion is bonding by hate. This is a famous term used whenever Hitler's name comes up. You have a common enemy, and you bond together as a result of that. In social media, we can see a lot of hate when it comes to controversial subjects. Let's take Robert Downey Jr.'s interview with Krishnan. What happened there? Well, Robert has quite a difficult past before (did drugs) and Krishnan touched upon the topic despite the interview being PURELY for advertising the new Avengers movie. So what would be the natural response? Obviously getting angry at Krishnan and telling him to kill himself or get fired. Let's take a look at this in 3rd person again. It isn't about whether Krishnan did the right thing or wrong thing, it is about the reaction of the society. Due to the immense popularity of Robert Downey Jr. (due to his role as Iron Man and his personality), people will obviously support him over others. The hate evolves into something more sinister and people keep hating Krishnan. The hate influences others and gathers more people to the hate circle. Then, what do we get? We get something worst than the interview done by Krishnan. We have people calling him retarded, sh***y, bastard, asshole and all sorts of stuff. We have people who wish he will die and lose his job, family and everything he has ever got in his whole life. What do you prefer? People bonding together to attack ONE man or the man for ruining the interview and asking inappropriate questions? I'm sure the answer will be, both are equally bad. Yui is someone that is someone like that. She would side with the popular opinion, side with what is considered "justice". To the people (even if they are not supporters of Robert Downey Jr.) the amount of spotlight put on that man is way more than that of a mere interviewer like Krishnan. They would follow the "standard" and side with what is right. Krishnan hurt Robert first, so he is wrong - that is the mentality they follow. Yui did this to Yukino. Yukino hurt Hachiman first by refusing to accept his demand (because of her own feelings). Yui obviously chose to side with the "righteous" side - which is Hachiman. She doesn't want people hurt, so she would defend the person who got hurt first. She didn't bother understanding Yukino's feelings on the matter and why she responded like that. Hence, we have Yukino saying she just follows the mood - because Yui chose what average and typical people would do instead of trying to understand her own friends. This is just the surface. This is the basis of her personality, but does not necessarily reflect her understanding of her others. In fact, the 3 of them do understand each other to a degree, but there is another thing I have to say. People often think that "to understand" is "to agree". We can see this in arguments frequently. When someone disagrees with us, we often reply saying "you seriously don't understand my points" or something similar to that (depending on your personality, you might just ignore the person). This isn't true, and there are lots of times people understand how we feel, but don't agree with how do things. That is the actual part they "don't understand". What people actually "don't understand" is the difference in the way they do things. The difference in ideology and personality often leads to this. Hence we get people saying "I understand how you feel...but I don't think it is right to do that" and we respond with "This just means you don't understand me at all". This is something we all have to understand - that "true understanding" all depends on perspective. There is no such thing as a complete understanding of each other due to how different people are. Rather than say that "we don't understand", we should just acknowledge that there is a difference between us. The difference is not that we don't understand, but that we just have a different way of dealing with things. All in all, the root of the problem is that they all don't understand each other. If you want me to delve deeper (which means I'll have to include Hachiman's side of the story), I would need to explain the interactions between all 3 of them as well as their interactions with people outside of the club. These kind of stuff are not easy to understand, and a lot of people think that those who do are retarded show offs who act like they know better than everyone. They then gather a circle and proceed to deliver social justice by continuously insulting the person who they disagree with (which you can see here in MAL and literally everywhere in the world). Therefore, I don't expect people to understand my post completely. As I have said, this comes from my experience as well (not just facts from the Anime or the Light Novel). Some might call me a "smartass", "faggot", "stupid troll" and so on. I have been insulted again and again until I think that it's pointless to get people to understand. However, if my post manages to help you, then it would make me happy as well. My knowledge on psychology/sociology is very little, but I do intend to choose sociology as my course in University. I'm saying this before someone thinks I act like I know it all. I already acknowledged that I can not hold my interpretation and ideas as credible as I would like to. P.S. I'm pessimistic, I know. Also, this REALLY is just he surface of things. I have written so many paragraphs, but it's not enough to explain their entire characters. That's why it'll be difficult if someone replies with something that has do with a different event. Explaining how they act in each single situation is going to take ages because each situation has its circumstances. Selfishness, bitterness, pathetic, useless or whatever terms you like to describe the characters has nothing to do with my post. Understanding the basis of the characters does not equal to labeling the characters. At least be conscious of this if anyone replies trying to induce hate. You can disagree, but don't go into name labeling and telling people that they are faggots. No complaints instead i'm grateful to you for your time man, in fact, i read this article where was explained the relation of yukino and hachiman, i think both explain similar things about the characters, which shows that you are not wrong. I hope that you don't mind if i request your insights for the future chapters. ty for all again! Edit: i was on the phone and i didn't read the 2nd spoiler, now after read it, i'm definitely requesting you more insights man, was delight to read it!, i suggest to you to do a full review about the interactions of the characters on reddit if you by chance used it, you would get gold for sure. The only thing that would be a problem will be your example for illustrate some points, i mean, while are perfects, easy to understand, they may lead to unnecessary arguments like patriotism, i didn't had any problems with it, since it was a very good example, in fact was easy to understand your point with it, but you know, some people may react to it in a bad way. But it was a good reading honestly. Thank you so much for your time again! I'm a little late to the party, but agree with adm. Thank you so much Samhiuy for that explanation. I actually read through every single word you wrote and while I did have an idea, it solidified my clear understanding of their situation. I suppose it was harder for me since I haven't read the LN myself (Definitely planning on reading through them after finishing this season), but this post really helped a lot. You have my appreciation as well; Thanks so much. |
May 22, 2015 10:58 AM
#234
Holy shit.. superb episode this week.. that piano balad, sunset background and awesome conversation... aww... then it's already 24 minutes,, damn long wait again till next week |
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May 22, 2015 11:04 AM
#235
Haven't seen an impactful episode like this since last year surely. Breathtaking, nothing more to say. |
May 22, 2015 11:11 AM
#236
Hachiman doesnt deserve to have a shithole dumbass such as yukinon as his friend. People be like "oh you dont understand yukinons complexity", Bitch if u that complex, fuck u and go be alone. She totally ruined the moment and due to Yui's awesomness, they were able to remain friends. Hachimand and YUI are amazing characters, while Yukinon needs to do a lot of dick sucking to get out of how much hell she deserves.......... JK, i kinda finally understand that she is just different and hopefully this experience aids her in communicating her thoughts and feelings in the future... after all,people forget to realize they are just in High school where everyone has their faults.... But yukinon still has ways to go before she sheds the "bitch" label |
Shirayuki= Most Perfect Female MC ever |
May 22, 2015 11:17 AM
#237
Studio FEEL giving us the feels again... Great character development for the service club and also Sensei. 8man tearing up was very unexpected :O I wish Hikki had joined them too :( 10/10 episode for me |
May 22, 2015 11:21 AM
#238
Smudy said: Haven't seen an impactful episode like this since last year surely. Breathtaking, nothing more to say. If you think about it it isnt that dramatic in the first place but for some reason that was the most touching anime episode for me since Hunter x Hunter Chimera Ant arc. Pretty unique for this genre. |
May 22, 2015 11:24 AM
#239
Wow! Such an astounding episode. Hachiman finally was able to convey his feeling to his friends which was one of the best moment of the whole anime. Such feeling in such a not-really complex scene. And I'm glad the trio made up. Also, Hikki and his flirting skill never fail, even if it is a single teacher ;p |
May 22, 2015 11:28 AM
#240
abyss333 said: Hachiman doesnt deserve to have a shithole dumbass such as yukinon as his friend. People be like "oh you dont understand yukinons complexity", Bitch if u that complex, fuck u and go be alone. She totally ruined the moment and due to Yui's awesomness, they were able to remain friends. Hachimand and YUI are amazing characters, while Yukinon needs to do a lot of dick sucking to get out of how much hell she deserves.......... JK, i kinda finally understand that she is just different and hopefully this experience aids her in communicating her thoughts and feelings in the future... after all,people forget to realize they are just in High school where everyone has their faults.... But yukinon still has ways to go before she sheds the "bitch" label She is still a bitch but she is becoming less of one. |
May 22, 2015 11:32 AM
#241
5/5 still AOTY |
May 22, 2015 11:45 AM
#242
[quote=Gov] abyss333 said: Hachiman doesnt deserve to have a shithole dumbass such as yukinon as his friend. People be like "oh you dont understand yukinons complexity", Bitch if u that complex, fuck u and go be alone. She totally ruined the moment and due to Yui's awesomness, they were able to remain friends. Hachimand and YUI are amazing characters, while Yukinon needs to do a lot of dick sucking to get out of how much hell she deserves.......... JK, i kinda finally understand that she is just different and hopefully this experience aids her in communicating her thoughts and feelings in the future... after all,people forget to realize they are just in High school where everyone has their faults.... But yukinon still has ways to go before she sheds the "bitch" label You say this now but your opinion will probably be changed later on near the ending of the show. |
May 22, 2015 11:50 AM
#243
May 22, 2015 11:56 AM
#244
Hikki was crying :( Too hard for my heart :((( And they should've let him join that hug! |
May 22, 2015 12:03 PM
#245
That episode just... went. Swear it was only 5 minutes long. Back to reading the LN (recommend for any anime only viewers atm - good translations are going about and it's a great read) |
One day we will come upon each other, and for that day my claws, teeth, ears, hands and hair are at the ready. |
May 22, 2015 12:17 PM
#246
xsilicon9 said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: xsilicon9 said: What infirmary scene? LN spoilers........better wait for it or read it yourself. Okay I read a summary of that scene. Who started the rumor? And what was Miura request to the service club? I think it's better to read the LN. Anyways...... 1) Some random people who saw them.............not specified 2) Hayama's subject choice (and what he is actually thinking) |
May 22, 2015 12:27 PM
#247
Shocked: Hachiman crying. I thought when Sensei was telling Hachiman to search his feelings, she was hinting to him: "Who do you love more? Yui or Yukino?" Thought a ship was sailing but turns out all he was looking for was something genuine. So friendship? Iroha is in OP!!! Such cute. Much like. I can't wait to see how her story unfolds. Maybe the author pulls a fast one on us and Hachiman and Iroha sail off on a motorboat. |
May 22, 2015 12:30 PM
#248
destructo22 said: kidlat020 said: Well fuck.You ask how can Shizuka afford an Aston Martin? well actually, she is but one of the few who had the Reading Steiner along with Okabe Rintaro that can jump between worldlines. What you're seeing on that precise moment was actually on the 40.08xxxx% worldline. This is top secret information and should not be made public. El. Psy. Congroo. The truth has been spoken yet again. |
May 22, 2015 12:30 PM
#249
isvak said: hahahahaha that's a good one, it'd be great. he made her blush so there may be some chances hahaha He said no need to think like that right after he said that, that ship just sunk like the titanic. Doesn't matter any way yukino is best girl anyway. |
kitkatxzMay 22, 2015 2:21 PM
May 22, 2015 12:35 PM
#250
Hikki crying during the conversation, I don't think anyone expected Hikki to ever show tears at the start of season 2. Yui and Yukino were like all all shocked when Hikki began to tear up and then Yukino just leaves and slams the door. That scene made me dislike Yukino slightly this episode because it made it seem like she was ticked off. It would have been better if she just ran out the room and either closed it slowly or left it open. Then Iroha shows up and well the first thing one could think is suicide because well she left angry, arms around herself as if she was scared. Well anyway, the three of them will most likely have some good quality time now. I'm anxious to see Yukino in action once the meeting resumes. Yui's face when Hikki stops holding her hands. Hikki's expression when Yukino leaves the room. So lifeless. |
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