My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected (light novel)
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| Hikki was such a bro there, one of the most selfless guy out there. Okay so Ebina and Hikki's relationship is starting to remind me of Rika x Kodaka. Deep and great episode. |
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| Aww not enough Komachi! Great episode though, I found myself rewinding some scenes multiple times in this ep. :) Oh, Hikigaya being such a bro again in this episode! Why is he so perfect?! That last scene of him with Ebina really got me, makes me want to ship them soo much! xD Hmmm Did I sense jealousy from Yukino and Yui? |
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Terapin said: straggy said: Funny, in case you don't realise, people can be flawed. Yukino's problem, among other things, clearly has to do with 8man's action being in support of the superficial relationship that both of them previously agreed on single mindedly hating. No, it's definitely a stupid reason. Yukino should be more bothered about the fact that Hachiman's the only person willing to actually help Ebina rather than the fact that people look down on him, which they do anyway, with or without his input. And lol it's not horrible to interrupt a confession that shouldn't happen. It made everyone uncomfortable and made something that everyone knew was going to end badly public. Tobe shouldn't have confessed to her where everyone was fucking watching... it's as bad as public proposals. It was pressuring her, when Hachiman helped her say what she wanted to say. Honestly, Yukino's being selfish by putting the fact that she thinks Hachiman should be respected over the feelings of numerous people, including a girl that's being pressurised to date. Besides, it's Hachiman's reputation, not her's. She doesn't own him. He's perfectly within his rights to allow himself to be perceived however he damn well pleases. If you want all the characters wise and insightful giving out sagely advice, then you can go watch Mahouka and indulge your petty wish fulfilment. Characters may not always act in ways agreeable to you - neither do people - it's part of what constitutes art and life. If Yukino were to meekly stand by his side and sing his praises, then she would be no better than all waifu baits the genre is rife with. lmao, what? Dude, I get that you don't like me, but you can stop seeking me out to leave bullshit comments on everything I say. I never said shit about ~*~wish fulfilment~*~ and I gave Mahouka a 1 as it is, which if you're bothered enough to seek me out in forums in the first place, you should actually check before you start shouting about me all over the damn shop. Goddamn. And yes, Yukino is flawed, all these characters are flawed, I never denied that??? If Yukino wasn't flawed, she wouldn't be shouting at Hachiman for dumb reasons. The point stands that Hachiman helped a girl that didn't want to be pressured to date publicly avoid the situation. I'm not talking about Tobe, fuck Tobe for everyone that keeps bringing him up, he got rejected and then wouldn't back down, he don't deserve any damn sympathy. Hachiman's thing is he helps people that are in trouble, he got asked to preserve their friendship and help Ebina reject Tobe and he did it. Even if they hate the relationship these ppl uphold, it'd be plain douchey to force it all apart... that's not their decision to make. I don't even know where you're getting any of this "sagely advice" crud from. Did you even read any of my posts or are you just making stuff up on purpose when you see me now? And lol I didn't say she needs to sing his praises (I already brought up that all she does is bicker with Hachiman and they'd be an awful ship as a result b/c that's no way to run any sort of relationship, even a friendship) but it was still a dumb reason to shout at him. If she doesn't want to put the feelings of people like Ebina first then she shouldn't be in a group dedicated to helping those in trouble in the first place. And honestly, I never said the story should change... I just said I hated Yukino's reasons and the way she shouted at him. This might shock you, but I'm aware that I don't find everything agreeable because I don't agree with this! Amazing! It's almost like I can watch something whilst criticising the characters and their decisions. Shocking, right? |
clannadlover said: Naoki-Saten said: Hachiman was looking down on the popular kids clique. He pointed out how their friendship was too shallow to begin with if it would break apart from just one confession. However, it was not up to him to decide whether that friendship is worth keeping alive or not. It's not his group, after all. On the other hand, everyone who turned to him - Hayama, Miura and most of all Ebina - they all told him that they want to keep things as they are, that their group is precious to them. It was never about whether or not Hachiman approves of their relationship. It's about whether or not he's willing to go all-out for them and apply his best solution, hurting himself in the process. Some people here mentioned that it's unlike Hachiman to support this kind of shallow relationship. But I wonder, did he help because he started 'approving' of it, thus betraying his own ideal? Here's what I'm getting at: Hachiman, though he might not admit it, is an extremely nice guy. Sure, he won't mince words and he's super negative 24/7. But thinking back on Season 1, did he ever ignore anyone who needed help? Did he ever half-ass his attempts at helping people, or gave up midway through? The people he saved never had a lot to do with him. Sagami was really more of an enemy than a friend, and by all means, she definitely deserved to face the full consequences of her deeds. And yet, Hachiman sacrificed himself even for her. That's the kind of guy Hachiman is. If someone needs help, he'll help them. And he'll go all-out on it. So I really don't think that Hachiman actually approved of Hayama's 'shallow' group. He helped Hayama's group because they asked him for help and he saved it because it was precious to its members. You forget one thing my friend, he always also exposes the truth so that those who are affected might examine the situation and perhaps come out for the better. This time however none of that happened, he enabled the group to continue being shallow ignorant jerks. If you need proof just listen to his ending comments. Twice he realized and stated that he was straying from his path. So no, while I agree that Hiki is a nice guy deep down, that is not all there is to it this time, it is not simply that he sacrificed himself to stay true to his ideals, if anything, this time he went against them. But why did he need to expose the truth? Everyone in the group (but that guy who wanted to confess to Ebina, idk his name) knew they were shallow and wanted to stay like that. I think 8man straying from his path is character development; he accepted that people still can be happy even when they only have shallow relationships, even if 8man himself is against those relationships. So I really don't see how you can consider any of the characters on that group "ignorant jerks". They would be ignorant if they actually believed that they have some deep connection between each other, which they don't. |
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molassus said: I think what people are praising(or at least should be) is that he did all this knowing he was buying into the sophistry, that he became one of the wool-pullers. I liked it because it shows his character is changing, presenting the question of whether he did it out of some weird empathy or understanding of the others' shallow needs, for his selfish dark knight problem solving agenda, or otherwise.And people really praising Hikki for his actions not knowing that the things he says is nothing more than sophistry. :) |
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| Wow that exciting episode, I stayed tense from the beginning, already knowing what will happen in the story usually does not excite me much, but with this plot does not matter how many times I read or watch does not get tired The dialogues are really very good, but the monologues of Hachiman are amazing, I like his distorted personality, and how it has evolved as a character during the story And this love confession was really amazing, certainly I will watch this scene several times, and the reactions of Yukino and Yui, for me were more extravagant than I thought that the plot would show, I think the two also can not be honest with themselves, by it also cashed their anger at Hachiman Now enter in a dramatic part of the plot, I'm getting more and more anxious to keep watching, and also now appear a character who also quite like And that the drama invade the plot .. |
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| So there he went again hurting himself to protect others but it seems he did hurt other but didn't realise it. Hikki needs to start thinking about the people around him. Since there are people that care about him. |
| I. Love. Hachiman. Top character of all time. |
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| Looks like the weird pacing in the first episode was all done in order to set up this rather quick but powerful end to the issue :O 8-man shows us time and time again why we love him! |
Hyack said: We need more Saika x Hachiman Yes, please. |
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| Interesting subtle, multi layered story we got here: this is what makes oregairu different. You could even see various people here intepreting a single scene with various ways depending on their view and assumption. Btw, about Yukinoshita : I agree that she's mad also because Hachiman is betraying his ideal with this matyrdom, thus becoming a hypocrite. However, I must also add that Yukinoshita herself is also quite a hypocrite. She is the one who also accept the job, she should have known that there's no way the confession would work either way, yet she keep assisting just for the sake of assisting. Yet in the end, she didn't do anything, leaving the hard decision to hachiman, and then getting angry when he's both true and untrue to himself. I think she feel like she was left behind. Anyone mature enough (at least in Japan) know that in adult life everything is imbued with fake relationships and surviving with 100% no bullshit ideal is quite a suicide. Hachiman and Yukinon is very different yet very similar, but Hachiman is slowly changing. He just went full social suicide, just to maintain a shallow circle of friendships... In order to mantain an expectation of his "friends" who can't solve their own problems and yet leaving the biggest burden on Hachiman. Hachiman is a hypocrite, so is Yukinon, so is Yui, so is everyone else. Probably every person is indeed a hypocrite, and an ideal of "no bullshit, no hypocrite" is simply a child's dream. |
| Can somebody clarify me a couple of things please? Basically Yukino and Yui are mad at him because he puts himself at the spotlight to take and swallow all the bullets. However what I don't quite get is, they don't like the way he does things now even though no bullets were really thrown at him? I mean, every witness there could get what he tried to do and nobody hated him for that, so where is his social reputation hurt in any way? (unless rumors and stuff?). Or are they disgusted at the fact that eventually those bullets will become real and hurt him, yet he is indifferent to that? Also the preview for next episode looks very strong. |
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The hero the school deserves but not the one it needs right now. God I love this show . |
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That group isn't made of 6 people, just 4. I know you mean those boys but they barely have any screen time, and even on that scene where Hikigaya talked to 8man he didn't even mention those boys. Why are you even mentioning them? Do we even know their names? And how are they arrogant? That blonde girl, yes, kinda, but the rest? Nope. Don't go generalizing every character on that group, they're not a hive mind. And I don't even understand what you're saying about Hikigaya. Like, really. How is being less cynical about relationships character regression? People change, characters change, ideals change. Hikigaya always saw Hayato and the others as ignorant people people who wasted time with shallow relationships while not even realizing how shallow they are, this episode was Hikigaya realizing that he can't julge what others consider to be precious, because even if it's something as fragile as that group, it's still important to someone and so is worth of protection. TL;DR He wasn't trampling with his ideals, his talk with Hayato and Ebina made his ideals change a bit, there's nothing wrong with that. It wasn't hipocrisy but maturing. Also he didn't expose the truth because 3 out of the 4 people who keep the group together knew what that truth was. |
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| In contrary to what some of you think, I think Tobe does realize that Hachiman took a bullet for him. Sure he might not realize that Hachiman also maintained the status quo of their social group, but his gratitude towards Hachiman preventing his rejection is genuine. Plus, it's not like Tobe took advantage of Hachiman. Sure he made fun of Hachiman before, but it wasn't he who decided to go to Hachiman for help counting on Hachiman's personality and ideals, it was Hayama who decided that. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that not everyone was trying to maintain a fake social circle. Tobe being who he is simply doesn't (truly) realize that was what had happened. He certainly didn't see the shallowness of it all, but that doesn't make him an ass or a jerk, just slightly ignorant. |
BGMaxie said: Can somebody clarify me a couple of things please? Basically Yukino and Yui are mad at him because he puts himself at the spotlight to take and swallow all the bullets. However what I don't quite get is, they don't like the way he does things now even though no bullets were really thrown at him? I mean, every witness there could get what he tried to do and nobody hated him for that, so where is his social reputation hurt in any way? (unless rumors and stuff?). Or are they disgusted at the fact that eventually those bullets will become real and hurt him, yet he is indifferent to that? Also the preview for next episode looks very strong. Other than personal motives (different for each girl I think), imho the problem is that Hachiman is not hurt (directly). At this point, Hachiman is not only good at being Matyr. He's used to. Not only him, everybody else actually used with it and they even made Hachiman doing it for something which actually goes against his own ideals. The whole everything is wrong. The problem is that Hachiman does not acnowledge that keep doing that will make him and every person close to him hurt. He's not incapable to be hurt, he's just used to it. Thus, one day he may take something which is going full batman. Literally killing his own social life, not only hurting it. |
| Things turned out better with 8man's fake confession. What makes him hilarious is, he always sacrifices himself for helping other people. At least, Ebina thanked him for us. |
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| The 2 main female characters are crap... god damn give this guy a breath of air, he's doing the best he can to save a friendship between the popular kids. Yukino and Yui gets mad because he's doing something in order to save that group but no! those 2 useless girls just stay in the bad while watching and did nothing! lol I blame also tobe's friends for not even helping tobe and hachiman out... Hachiman you're the best! |
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| With Hachiman's philosophy of "having only himself be sacrificed and get hurt, in order to spare the feelings of everyone else," the method he chose may not have been great, but it was the only one that follows this discipline. By making himself look like an ass, he fulfilled the desires of every person in that group of friends, and maintained the status quo. Had he let things play out, Tobe would have had a broken heart from a personal rejection, and the relationship between him and Ebina within the group of friends would be incredibly awkward, with the chance of friendships really breaking, because it may very well be just as Hachiman said--about their friendship being shallow. Yui brings up a good point though, despite Hachiman being ok with the only being hurt, despite his high intelligence and ability to see things from every angle, he fails to see that he really isn't the only one getting hurt. It also pains the people that are close to Hachiman seeing him hurt himself, because they care about his well-being as well. |
clannadlover said: Now on to the meat. Hikigaya from day one (or atleast when we first meet him) has always been cynical about relationships. So that he now "supports" it goes against his very character. I can't consider this character development. Trampling on your own ideals for the sake of comfort is not development but rather more like regression. In each of the cases first season he gave the truth to those involved and then gave them the best option out (aside from whats her face but that arc was more for Yukinoshita than whats her name anyway). No matter what he chose the hard way out because that held the truth this time however he is actually accommodating hypocrisy. Hiki may need character development with regards to Yukinoshita and Yui but adhering to the status quo is not it. I'm still not seeing how helping Hayama's gang equals to supporting hypocricy. Admittedly, Hachiman's solution this time around wasn't as cool and perfect as it usually was, but that's pretty much it. He simply couldn't save the 'shallow' group while also upholding his 'shallowness'-hating ideals. He couldn't forcefully confront all members of the group with how 'shallow' their relationship is, since that would be the first step to destroying it. Why should he? It's not his group. How would he be in any position of telling them how they're supposed to behave? Of course he didn't like it. Of course he didn't want to forcefully keep that fragile group of popular kids together. He was really pissed at Hayama for using him like that. But he still saved them. Think about it. If Hachiman didn't intervene, then Ebina Hina would not have been saved. She would have to go through that awful confession and then she'd lose her friends while having to deal with the guilt of causing her group's destruction. Would Hachiman, the way we know him, be capable of abandoning a girl who personally asked him for help, just because he disagrees with how her group works? Are you saying Hachiman did this for his own sake? That he did it in order to keep Hayama's people around? Why? He's not friends with them or anything. He doesn't even particularly like hanging out with them. They're the popular kids and he's the loner who hates the way they do pretty much everything. And even if, he's way closer to Yukino and Yui, so why would he piss off those two just to keep things smooth with the popular kids? So in the end, what do you think Hachiman should have done? How would you expect his 'usual self' to deal with this problem? How would he solve the issue while also presenting the people involved 'the truth'? Again, I think that leaving Ebina to die would not be like him. |
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Naoki-Saten said: Hachiman was looking down on the popular kids clique. He pointed out how their friendship was too shallow to begin with if it would break apart from just one confession. However, it was not up to him to decide whether that friendship is worth keeping alive or not. It's not his group, after all. On the other hand, everyone who turned to him - Hayama, Miura and most of all Ebina - they all told him that they want to keep things as they are, that their group is precious to them. It was never about whether or not Hachiman approves of their relationship. It's about whether or not he's willing to go all-out for them and apply his best solution, hurting himself in the process. Some people here mentioned that it's unlike Hachiman to support this kind of shallow relationship. But I wonder, did he help because he started 'approving' of it, thus betraying his own ideal? Here's what I'm getting at: Hachiman, though he might not admit it, is an extremely nice guy. Sure, he won't mince words and he's super negative 24/7. But thinking back on Season 1, did he ever ignore anyone who needed help? Did he ever half-ass his attempts at helping people, or gave up midway through? The people he saved never had a lot to do with him. Sagami was really more of an enemy than a friend, and by all means, she definitely deserved to face the full consequences of her deeds. And yet, Hachiman sacrificed himself even for her. That's the kind of guy Hachiman is. If someone needs help, he'll help them. And he'll go all-out on it. So I really don't think that Hachiman actually approved of Hayama's 'shallow' group. He helped Hayama's group because they asked him for help and he saved it because it was precious to its members. I agree with you. He isn't necessarily going against his ideals. He's still sticking to his ideals. The fact that he helped them to keep their "shallow" relationships was in order to help them; for them like you said. It doesn't mean he'll engage in those "shallow" relationships. So yeah. I think he's the same. |
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| His sister is so adorable :3 |
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4kicks said: With Hachiman's philosophy of "having only himself be sacrificed and get hurt, in order to spare the feelings of everyone else," the method he chose may not have been great, but it was the only one that follows this discipline. By making himself look like an ass, he fulfilled the desires of every person in that group of friends, and maintained the status quo. Had he let things play out, Tobe would have had a broken heart from a personal rejection, and the relationship between him and Ebina within the group of friends would be incredibly awkward, with the chance of friendships really breaking, because it may very well be just as Hachiman said--about their friendship being shallow. Yui brings up a good point though, despite Hachiman being ok with the only being hurt, despite his high intelligence and ability to see things from every angle, he fails to see that he really isn't the only one getting hurt. It also pains the people that are close to Hachiman seeing him hurt himself, because they care about his well-being as well. Yep, the way Hachiman works is essentially throwing himself at the fire & convincing himself that it's perfectly fine as he's considered scum of the world. It used to work before, but now that he has gained many friends, it is hindering this ability of his to martyr himself. It used to be the most effective way as everyone wins, but Hachiman in the end(He couldn't give a shit though); However, now that people care for him it hurts them too. Eventually, Hachiman is going to have to find new ways to solve these problems as now that there is more at stake than just him, Hachiman can't have his win-win Martyr situation anymore. What's unfortunate is that everyone, but Hachiman, are too scared to do anything themselves, so rely on him to do what he does. Even Hayama admitted to hating Hachiman's approach to things, but he was simply just worthless in this situation and required Hachiman to fix his problems. |
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| Wtf is with totsuka, is he a gay? Saying hikigaya's name everytime he dream is very disgusting. Hikigaya is not a gay, eyes can betray anyone. |
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| Amazing. Instant score up to 10/10. Its so fucking rare to see a deep plot in this kind of shows that I wish I could give it 11/10. Also, I just have to point out the obvious - the supports are owning so far. Great stuff, cant wait for the next episode :) |
| Great episode. Hachimanman doesn't need to interrupt them, Tobecchi can face the outcome on his own. I understand Yukino, but Yui did the best thing on confronting Hachiman for what he did. Komachi is so adorable. |
| The feels don't hit the heart like in the novel but my love for H-man still remains strong even if his awesomeness is diluted |
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JustALEX said: And Hayato and the superficial blonde chick's clique is the EPITOME of everything that is wrong with teenagers. so much this JustALEX said: The two main female characters are shit. this came out of nowhere oO i dont see whats so horrible about them |
| Well, Hina went from a shitty character to a really good one, I kinda want to read the novels now. |
Makuro said: Great episode. Hachimanman doesn't need to interrupt them, Tobecchi can face the outcome on his own. I understand Yukino, but Yui did the best thing on confronting Hachiman for what he did. Komachi is so adorable. Tobecchi can face it, but their atmosphere wouldn't be the same. Not just Tobecchi's and Ebina's, but their entire group's atmosphere would change. I think the interruption was necessary. |
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Yesmo said: What a boring episodes it was. There's no single OreGairu s1 element I can found in this episodes. Also, it is very rushed; they give drama without provided me enough story to I care for. :< |
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| I just hate the feeling that Hina's friends needs the help from Hachiman, but when he really gets the job done, he is treated as a villain. A really contradictory feeling, they don't want to resort to Hachiman, yet they do not have a choice but do. I did like the part where Hina mentioned that with Hachiman as a boyfriend to date would work out, because they are both rotten to the core (err.. selfish). Hachiman really is the bro. >.< |
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| I hate how Yukino and Yui are complaining their asses off when Hikkigaya's just doing his job. It's obvious that he isn't serious anyway, stop getting you nips in a twist. |
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16franckdo said: Good news everyone this season will be 13 episode long No, good news would be 24 episodes long |
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| They handled it well considering the pace they were going. Still a bit rushed. Of only they added more Hiki monologues. |
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| So, was I the only one that saw Yukinoshita blush in Hachiman "confession"? Also this is why I love this anime, when Yukino was angry with Hachiman I was like "fuck, their relationship just got worst" but actually NO, the reason she got angry at him is because she "likes" him, maybe not romantically but enough to make her angry by his self-sacrifice. So in a way I really liked the fact that Yukino got angry at him, also you can't expect Yukino to handle the same way Yui did, you'all know how she is, she is not the type to show compassion like that especially if she's angry, she doesn't have the "Ice-cold Beauty" nickname for nothing |
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