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| @CookingPriest Also, Inaho fight in that way to avoid his friends deaths, he doesn't want to lose anyone close to him, so he always try to not put them in very dangerous situations and we have seen many times Inaho not wanting his sister Yuki to take part on a fight (and in the last chapter he wasn't happy to have Inko's help because it was dangerous). |
blackbishopMar 15, 2015 3:23 PM
| @swn32 What I mean is, Inaho fights the same way the Elric brothers from FMA do. They want to achieve their goal and they don't want anyone close to them to die. That's idealistic to me because this is war and people always die. |
swn32 said: leelee619 said: This anime is getting confusing due to UFE being painted as the bad guys. Blame Slaine for spreading false propaganda under Asseylum's name. Pretty much this, when in doubt blame Slaine. ^This In UFE's eyes ASseylum is pretty much Hitler, while in reality it is Slaine. leelee619 said: swn32 said: Blame Slaine for spreading false propaganda under Asseylum's name. Pretty much this, when in doubt blame Slaine. So you will blame Slaine for the Deaculion defecting to Slaine's Alliance from the UFE? Not gonna happen. THey will mos tlikely join forces with Vers and own Slaine now. |
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leelee619 said: It seems normal to me than they try to kill the princess if she is in the moon base, given the goals she has being shown to pursue.This anime is getting confusing due to UFE being painted as the bad guys. Also, killing her would deliver a killing blow to all aldnoah-based technology, because while our current orbital knights can use it, the next generation of counts, knights and whatever other titles they use won't because no one has the right, the Emperor is almost dead and doesn't have any other son or daughter or grandchildren (ofc, no one knows about Lemrina). |
leelee619 said: swn32 said: Blame Slaine for spreading false propaganda under Asseylum's name. Pretty much this, when in doubt blame Slaine. So you will blame Slaine for the Deaculion defecting to Slaine's Alliance from the UFE? Deucalion? Defecting to Slaine's Alliance? Are you high? |
Princess_Hermit said: It is likely because his brain and cybernetic eye have better sinergy than an external device. Inaho sends, receive and process information faster than he would do with a gadget. This allows him to make quicker decisions.I was wondering... if inaho is good with all the computer stuff (i mean he himself upgraded his eye) why not make his own gadget that could whatever his eye can.... WHY put all the burden to his eye and suffer?! Having an external gadget do all of that would make it prone to connection and latency issues. A couple of seconds wasted could be the difference between life and death in a battle. |
blackbishop said: So, it is better to think of Inaho's eye like the latter card (a tool), and not like a being with it's own conscience (unless the series points otherwise). Darklight0303 said: Exactly. There was nothing showing any real autonomy and conscience in this episode's development How is it not autonomous, if it talks when the carrier's brain is off, take over the control of the body and if it openly says that it and Inaho are separate entities? The eye even analyses his psychology, thinks of Inaho's thoughts on Asseylum as misidentification (which means that the eye is capable of evaluation and, possibly, judgement) and chooses to act on Inaho's priorities ("Will provide information in according with the behavioral principles.."). We hear its thought process before, so it doesn't look like a preprogrammed action. The eye also calms down Asseylum, which is very human. So, basically it thinks and it has some degree of awareness. It looks like an AI, it acts like an AI, it talks like an AI, and the setting is sci-fi. The conclusion that it's an AI is the most logical, unless proven otherwise. Comparing this to a chip in Nintendo cartridge (though the story is interesting) is plain wrong. And they don't have any talking computers in the kats, nor do we see any other force besides pilot to participate in the control, so it is unique. CookingPriest said: if anything it is INAHO who is idealist considering everything Princess said this episode was Inaho's influence ("I Don't need a reasont o save someone" etc) Slaine has no "ideals". He is fighting for power and for survival. And just like Suzashit, he lost his way and his mind. Inaho has not expressed any ideals or even ideas about future, he is not a part of any society or adept of any teaching, he doesn't fight for any sort of idea besides the general suff like the safety of his family-friends and stopping the war on his country. He has always being written as a practical person. He is not an idealist. Slaine is fighting for his vision of future - the united world, where possibilities are not limited by one's class or origin (as he promises to Harklight and Lemrina), he follows Saazbaum's ideas, he is undeniably an idealist. The thing is that being an idealist has nothing to do with good the idea that you serve is or bad to other people. |
deadoptimistMar 15, 2015 4:35 PM
deadoptimist said: Of course it is an AI (I never thought it wasn't to begin with). It has certain degree of autonomy (I never argued that either), but it is still not more than a tool. I don't know why its role as tool would be contradicted because it is an AI.blackbishop said: So, it is better to think of Inaho's eye like the latter card (a tool), and not like a being with it's own conscience (unless the series points otherwise). Darklight0303 said: Exactly. There was nothing showing any real autonomy and conscience in this episode's development How is it not autonomous, if it talks when the carrier's brain is off, take over the control of the body and if it openly says that it and Inaho are separate entities? The eye even analyses his psychology, thinks of Inaho's thoughts on Asseylum as misidentification (which means that the eye is capable of evaluation and, possibly, judgement) and chooses to act on Inaho's priorities ("Will provide information in according with the behavioral principles.."). We hear its thought process before, so it doesn't look like a preprogrammed action. The eye also calms down Asseylum, which is very human. So, basically it thinks and it has some degree of awareness. It looks like an AI, it acts like an AI, it talks like an AI, and the setting is sci-fi. The conclusion that it's an AI is the most logical, unless proven otherwise. Comparing this to a chip in Nintendo cartridge (though the story is interesting) is plain wrong. And they don't have any talking computers in the kats, nor do we see any other force besides pilot to participate in the control, so it is unique. ... The rumors say than Urobuchi would write the script for the last three episodes, if that's true, we have grounds to compare this scene with one of his previous works: Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, which it had an AI assistant named Chamber for the protagonist Ledo and described itself by nothing more than a tool to help the pilot to achieve his goals. I think the eye would act in a similar way rather than possessing the whole body for itself. |
swn32 said: deadoptimist said: and chooses to act on That's where you are wrong. You have no concrete evidence for that. We'd need the code to have a concrete evidence. I make the most obvious conclusion based on the situation, the genre and it's tropes. Myabe they'll explain it in other way later, but for now for all means and purposes it looks like an AI. The eye assessed the situation - the presence of Asseylum and Inaho's priorities on her - and then chose the action. The question is whether understanding that Inaho is in love, the poetic formula that he thinks of Asseylum as a part of himself and the whole range of complex actions the eye made are preprogrammed or actions of an intellect. In my opinion, assuming that there was an intellect behind those is much less convoluted and more fit for the genre. |
| @deadoptimist Btw, about having it's own conscience, I don't think the AI is complete, but to be honest it was shown for a brief period of time so I don't know what to think about it. Perhaps that's because I'm used to asociate AIs with things like Cortana(Halo), Xerxes(System Shock 2), Shodan(System Shock 1 & 2), Daedalus/Icarus/Helios(Deus Ex). So I would expect something more advanced. |
blackbishop said: @deadoptimist Btw, about having it's own conscience, I don't think the AI is complete, but to be honest it was shown for a brief period of time so I don't know what to think about it. Perhaps that's because I'm used to asociate AIs with things like Cortana(Halo), Xerxes(System Shock 2), Shodan(System Shock 1 & 2), Daedalus/Icarus/Helios(Deus Ex). So I would expect something more advanced. Hm, but to me it seems pretty advanced. (And also Chamber was nice.) Anyways, answering to your previous comment too - it remains to be seen what role will the AI/not really AI play in the plot. Anything can happen - it can take over (for considerable time), "personalities" may start to switch constantly or it will go away like many other subplots and remain a tool, as you've said. I was arguing, because we have a long running feud, whether the eye is consistent with the general level of tech in the fictional universe or not. |
| @deadoptimist The eye uses aldnoah... you hear it here first lol XD. But yeah, at this point I think anything is possible because there is not much information about it. |
blackbishop said: @deadoptimist The eye uses aldnoah... you hear it here first lol XD. But yeah, at this point I think anything is possible because there is not much information about it. Hm, someone has already mentioned it.) Unless it was you - sorry, can't remeber. |
| @deadoptimist It wasn't me, it is the first time I mention this. |
| Inaho's eye took over him : 0 |
AnimeFan500 said: Inaho's eye took over him : 0 It did not take over him =_= |
| Solid episode, wonder where it's going from here. |
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Darklight0303 said: AnimeFan500 said: Inaho's eye took over him : 0 It did not take over him =_= It was just the messenger :)... what happened was something like this: ASSEYLUM: Inaho!!! INAHO: ... ASSEYLUM: Inaho!!! AI: Inaho is currently unavailable, searching caller ID. ID found: Asseylum Vers Allusia. Inaho has a message for you... And we know the rest :P. |
blackbishop said: Darklight0303 said: It did not take over him =_= It was just the messenger :)... what happened was something like this: ASSEYLUM: Inaho!!! INAHO: ... ASSEYLUM: Inaho!!! AI: Inaho is currently unavailable, searching caller ID. ID found: Asseylum Vers Allusia. Inaho has a message for you... And we know the rest :P. That is actually quite accurate |
| I found something on reddit that basically sums up these forums [...Who are You?]http://i.imgur.com/uDzd7Do.jpg |
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Savethebestforu said: I found something on reddit that basically sums up these forums [...Who are You?]http://i.imgur.com/uDzd7Do.jpg These forums? Are you sure you don't mean this picture?  |
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| Okay, finally got around to watching the latest ep. Firstly, really solid episode on all fronts. Lots of action, but unlike most so far this season, finally its actually of significance. The big events of the final few episodes have started and we're starting to see how things will unfold. Seeing Inaho's side of things was actually interesting, probably because it was at least relevant I suppose. His meeting with Slaine was interesting. The dialogue throw back to Episode 7 last season about exploiting the princess was kinda neat I guess, but that Inaho needs to reaffirm that Slaine is his enemy seems bizarre given that they've been indirectly fighting one another all season. Also, not sure how they both managed to miss each other at such close range during that Matrix dive. Just thick plot armor I guess. I had kinda expected Lemrina to snuff it in the next few episodes, so when she decided to stay after Asseylum helped her, it seemed clear that she was going to remain and likely act as the Asseylum while the real one could escape. Whether that'll happen next episode or its just misdirection, who knows. Klancain meeting up with Asseylum was no surprise at all, though it did make me wonder where Mazuurek has gone off too, but I assume he has some greater role in this (perhaps he and Klancain are directly working together?). Anyway, enjoyed it overall, and looking forward to the next. Hopefully it's not another letdown like last weeks. Edit: Speeeling and wording |
Shadzy_Mar 16, 2015 2:05 AM
ANGRY2011 said: These forums? Are you sure you don't mean this picture? My picture was a lighter version of the progression that transpired over the episode threads, but yours is the harsh reality. Oh where would we be without Darklight and CookingPriest? |
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ANGRY2011 said: You sure that is not description of the show? None of this bullshit would be going on had Cruchteo had a less firm trigger finger and put the fucking dog out of its misery before it went mad and ruined countless lives. |
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CookingPriest said: ANGRY2011 said: You sure that is not description of the show? None of this bullshit would be going on had Cruchteo had a less firm trigger finger and put the fucking dog out of its misery before it went mad and ruined countless lives. Description of the show for some people, sure. |
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ANGRY2011 said: Savethebestforu said: I found something on reddit that basically sums up these forums [...Who are You?]http://i.imgur.com/uDzd7Do.jpg These forums? Are you sure you don't mean this picture? Frankly, I think that the only art that reflects these forums is the battle art, preferrably the bad art of Warhammer 40k battle scenes. awditty said: killing Slaine is not the objective of the operation; Inaho did the minimal he possibly could to get out of the fight with Slaine. But he needs to stay alive to complete the objective. He chooses not to flee, but to fight, so winning the fight is an integral part of the operation. |
deadoptimistMar 16, 2015 8:03 AM
deadoptimist said: ANGRY2011 said: These forums? Are you sure you don't mean this picture? Frankly, I think that the only art that reflects these forums is the battle art, preferrably the bad art of Warhammer 40k battle scenes. awditty said: killing Slaine is not the objective of the operation; Inaho did the minimal he possibly could to get out of the fight with Slaine. But he needs to stay alive to complete the objective. He chooses not to flee, but to fight, so winning the fight is an integral part of the operation. If he fled, Slaine would follow >_> He needed to make sure Slaine could not follow him and the steampipe provided that. |
Darklight0303 said: If he fled, Slaine would follow >_> He needed to make sure Slaine could not follow him and the steampipe provided that. That's my point. There was no reason to not use the eye to the fullest and kill him. It is beneficial for Inaho for a number of reasons. So it's strange that he didn't do it/couldn't do it. |
skudoops said: deadoptimist said: That's my point. There was no reason to not use the eye to the fullest and kill him. It is beneficial for Inaho for a number of reasons. So it's strange that he didn't do it/couldn't do it. I think the main argument here is that he ran because he knew that the eye was mentally affecting him and his priority was saving the princess. That's the only reason I can see him leaving there. Ah, no, sorry - I know it's hard to follow an argument, when it gets too far from the original point. It goes like this: I say: Inaho can shoot accurately whatever he wants even in a space wind and now suddenly can't hit jumping Slaine, even though Slaine's jumping is nothing special and the trajectory is highly predictable. My opponent says: Inaho was half dead. I say: But if the eye is operational, it would work as usual. My opponent says: He was saving power for real objective - saving Asseylum. I say: But being dead would be detrimental to completing it, and he chose to fight not to flee, so why not do it seriously. Enter Darklight. Darklights says: He has no choice but to fight. I say: Exactly. swn32 and casiopao offer the correct answer from the audience. Enter you. You say: He hasn't finished Slaine, cause he didn't have time. I say: That is the other matter, let's go meta to see what has happened on the forum before! The end. The curtain falls. |
Savethebestforu said: I found something on reddit that basically sums up these forums That's a beautiful pic :). ANGRY2011 said: I almost spit my coffee when I saw this one :D.Savethebestforu said: ... These forums? Are you sure you don't mean this picture? TeriyakiNinja007 said: That until season 3 is announced, and then they will laugh at us:Savethebestforu said: Inaho and Slaine both dying would make the best conclusion. imho, I would much rather have everyone die (and stay dead) :( only a few more episodes to go and we can be free from this anime!  |
| Everyone, stop what you're doing and go watch and catch up on Cross Ange. It's 100x times better than this show. |
| [size=145]Inaho's fucking eyeball has more personality than him.[/size] Seriously, how do people still actually like this emotionless fuck? |
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