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KamiAlice said: seujair31 said: te estás olvidando el hecho de que existen claras diferencias entre la ciencia ficción y la fantasía de la ciencia. Si quieres usar algo como superpoderes, robots que pueden predecir el futuro, o hacer premoniciones, o tiene un poder irreal, lo mínimo que tiene que demostrar, que el poder dentro del campo de la ciencia ficción. Sus explicaciones tienen que ser firmes, los escritores tienen que pasar a través de los datos técnicos y explicaciones firmes acerca de su uso. (Yoshiyuki Tomino, creador de Gundam, utilice siempre una frase "No importa lo absurdo utilizado en el anime, ya que se puede provalos, y mostrar a sus fans") Todo el anime blockbuster Mecha, nos proporcionó los datos técnicos, como la tecnología y el funcionamiento de sus hebras. Es lo menos que se puede esperar de un género del anime mecha, puede usar sus súper poderes, y alienigina tecnología, y otras cosas, siempre y cuando se puede demostrar que están dentro de la ciencia ficción, su funcionamiento y su origen. Aparti el punto de que tales teorías, superpoderes, no se explican, se vuelve abstracto, ilusoria, y entra en el campo de la fantasía científica, o algo sobre sexa natural, que no tiene lógica, que no puede ser explicado, los escritores no lo hacen proporcionar datos convincentes sobre los hechos de estas tecnologías y poderes especiales. convertido en una fantasía, que se deja a los fans imaginar su funcionamiento y sus orígenes. eso es mejor. hay una enorme diferencia entre la lengua portuguesa utilizada en Brasil, con la lengua portuguesa usada en portugual. pero la habilidad de ver al futuro en el tiempo es en teoria possible en la sciencia. No es un poder de fantasia, es una habilidad scientifica. No ocupa explicacion, no mas tiene que ser possible en teoria, poreso se llama ciencia ficcion, no se llama ciencia posible. The ability to see in the future is theoretically possible within the realm of science. It is not a power of fantasy, it's a scientific ability. It does not need further explanation, it just needs to be theoretically possible, that's why it's called science fiction not possible science. No me quejo, aunque existe ese poder. Mi queja principal, para señalar el canpo de fantasía científica, es cómo estos poderes especiales aparecieron en los mecha si ya estaban dentro de los m.echas, o se colocaron después, ni sabemos si se crearon las mecha o se han encontrado, o debido a m.echa cada uno tiene una habilidad especial diferente. Como el poder Aldnoah, obras, sus orígenes, como la primera persona fue infectada con tal poder. Y el punto principal, como el poder Aldnoah, trabaja en mecha. No sabemos si es el poder Aldnoah, que le da súper capacidad de mecha en el caso de mecha.s se han encontrado, son habilidades estabas ya en cada mecha. Al utilizar superpoderes, al menos debe explicar los datos técnicos, mostrando su funcinamento, y cómo se trabaja con el mecha. Kakumeiki Valvrave y Majestic Prince, dos recientes anime de mecha. nos proporcionó los datos técnicos. En Abos estos animes, se utiliza la tecnología alienígena, pero fue en apressentados durante la historia, hechos concretos y explicaciones convincentes de cómo surgió este poder de la forma en que la operación de mecha, y tenía explicaciones convincentes sobre las tecnologías alienigina, en las construcciones Mecha, como las tecnologías y trabajar en conjunto con Mecha. Aldnoah.Zero, no nos proporcionan datos técnicos, no sabemos nada sobre el origen y la función de mech.as, y donde han surgido esos poderes especiales, y cómo llegaron dentro MECh.A tenemos muy poca información sobre el poder Aldnoah . Se tuno en el campo de la fantasía y la imaginación de los aficionados, es decir usted no sabe su origen, no sé cómo el poder Aldnoah. Usted no sabe cómo mecha surgió, no sé cómo mecha trabaja con aldnoah poder, y debido a que cada sección tiene un poder especial diferente, y cómo estos poderes especias detuvieron en el mecha. El mínimo que se espera de un animado mech.ae proporcionar los Datos técnicos, explicaciones, durante la historia, acerca de la tecnología, sobre los poderes especiales, y funcinamento de mecha. Aldnoah, ni siquiera proporcionar el básico, que se muestra en cualquiera de anime mec.ha. Dice no se ha encontrado la tecnología, cómo se utiliza, la fuente de mech.as y origen poderes especiales de cada mecha. En resumen Aldnoah.Zero parece más con Power-Rangers, que con cualquier otro animado cuyo tema principal mecha. esumen de los datos técnicos y explicaciones sobre los poderes especiales, súper poder y funcinamento de mecha son los fundamentos de un anime cuyo género principal es mecha |
| lemme add that it's only possible to predict the future if the governing equations are deterministic. Also helps if they're not chaotic systems. And if the governing equations actually even have a solution. |
ANGRY2011 said: I think it would be boring for them to go the stereotypical "he's so crazy yandere" route. I'd prefer something more calm, like the "I did this for my reasons even if you disagreed" route, or even the "i know you won't appreciate it, but this is what i could do" route. We'll see, I guess. It's very plausible thought, choosing to spare the princess the burden and ugliness of what it takes to realize her dream. But I don't feel this approach works with the show's theme, and I felt Slaine's lamenting upon the impossible in not that of one who made such a final firm decision. |
TooFy said: ANGRY2011 said: I think it would be boring for them to go the stereotypical "he's so crazy yandere" route. I'd prefer something more calm, like the "I did this for my reasons even if you disagreed" route, or even the "i know you won't appreciate it, but this is what i could do" route. We'll see, I guess. It's very plausible thought, choosing to spare the princess the burden and ugliness of what it takes to realize her dream. But I don't feel this approach works with the show's theme, and I felt Slaine's lamenting upon the impossible in not that of one who made such a final firm decision. But from what we know he is not even trying to realize the dream of his beloved princess. What the princess wanted is to establish a peaceful relationship with the UE. It was certainly not her dream to destroy the UE and create a totalitarian regime on earth lead by Slaine. |
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Raziel1991 said: TooFy said: It's very plausible thought, choosing to spare the princess the burden and ugliness of what it takes to realize her dream. But I don't feel this approach works with the show's theme, and I felt Slaine's lamenting upon the impossible in not that of one who made such a final firm decision. But from what we know he is not even trying to realize the dream of his beloved princess. What the princess wanted is to establish a peaceful relationship with the UE. It was certainly not her dream to destroy the UE and create a totalitarian regime on earth lead by Slaine. If there is no UE, then there will be no fighting with the UE, just like the princess wanted. It's a legitimate strategy. |
fst said: Raziel1991 said: But from what we know he is not even trying to realize the dream of his beloved princess. What the princess wanted is to establish a peaceful relationship with the UE. It was certainly not her dream to destroy the UE and create a totalitarian regime on earth lead by Slaine. If there is no UE, then there will be no fighting with the UE, just like the princess wanted. It's a legitimate strategy. But her dream was coexistence with the UE, if you destroy it there is no possible coexistence. |
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Raziel1991 said: fst said: If there is no UE, then there will be no fighting with the UE, just like the princess wanted. It's a legitimate strategy. But her dream was coexistence with the UE, if you destroy it there is no possible coexistence. Shhhhh. Don't make such a big deal out of inconsequential details like that. |
Raziel1991 said: TooFy said: It's very plausible thought, choosing to spare the princess the burden and ugliness of what it takes to realize her dream. But I don't feel this approach works with the show's theme, and I felt Slaine's lamenting upon the impossible in not that of one who made such a final firm decision. But from what we know he is not even trying to realize the dream of his beloved princess. What the princess wanted is to establish a peaceful relationship with the UE. It was certainly not her dream to destroy the UE and create a totalitarian regime on earth lead by Slaine. Slaine can be wrong. I don't mind if he is. He could have twisted his interpretation of what the princess wanted, thinking it would be better to subdue the Terrans and make an Earth that she can visit in peace, even if through force. He could also ultimately be planning to NOT beat Earth into submission, that's not out of the picture yet, though with each episode used still fighting Earth it becomes less and less likely. Still, Slaine has shown he isn't always straightforward about what he does, with his betrayal of Saaz and creation of a new nation. I'd find either more preferable to the crazy-yandere stereotype. |
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Raziel1991 said: But from what we know he is not even trying to realize the dream of his beloved princess. What the princess wanted is to establish a peaceful relationship with the UE. It was certainly not her dream to destroy the UE and create a totalitarian regime on earth lead by Slaine. Her dream was for earth for be peaceful place for both earthlings and martians to coexist. That goal can be approached several ways, the princess's cultural approach proved vain. The most effective way in my opinion -and the fastest for sake of not dragging the plot too long- is to abolish the opposite military forces and reform them into one of maintaining order, which in most cases than not can go very ugly until realizing so. In the end there has to be some kind of authority, be it martians or earthlings or a state of both. And to ensure peace and equality are achieved Slain decides to take matter to hands. This can go either ways, he may succeed and establish a firm state and forever be the hero who brought peace, or go really bad and be cursed for eternity or even forgotten. |
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Z4k said: Tokoya said: Fuck everything if that happens lol It will happen. I bet my little pinkie on it. lol |
"Urushibara Ruka. The mannerisms and voice of a woman... No... More feminine than any woman. But he's a guy. Taller than Mayuri, but so very thin... But he's a guy. Looks great in a miko outfit... But he's a guy. It's already twilight And yet, it's so hot. The cicadas are crying. But... He's a guy." |
| The Earth fight was pretty lacklust tbh but at least it wasn't Inaho asspulling in his orange mecha. Slaine's duel was pretty interesting and well done. As for this whole wedding thing I can't imagine it going down without Seylum starting shit unless she has memory loss. Also as far as ships go Slaine x Lemrina won't happen unless they spend a lot of time together and he somehow gets over Seylum while saying I don't think of you as a just a replacement for her or some shit. And does Seylum like Inaho? I really never got the feeling that there was something there she just thought of him as a friend. |
| A two language thread? Well, I can read Spanish, but doing this doesn't seem very polite... |
Brxck said: The Earth fight was pretty lacklust tbh but at least it wasn't Inaho asspulling in his orange mecha. Slaine's duel was pretty interesting and well done. As for this whole wedding thing I can't imagine it going down without Seylum starting shit unless she has memory loss. Also as far as ships go Slaine x Lemrina won't happen unless they spend a lot of time together and he somehow gets over Seylum while saying I don't think of you as a just a replacement for her or some shit. And does Seylum like Inaho? I really never got the feeling that there was something there she just thought of him as a friend. It will happen because Lemrina is the only one insane enough to love Slaine and the monster he's turned himself into |
| Slaine gonna be Vers emperor now Asseylum woke up : 0 Can't wait to see her reaction to everything that has been done behind her back. |
TooFy said: Raziel1991 said: But from what we know he is not even trying to realize the dream of his beloved princess. What the princess wanted is to establish a peaceful relationship with the UE. It was certainly not her dream to destroy the UE and create a totalitarian regime on earth lead by Slaine. Her dream was for earth for be peaceful place for both earthlings and martians to coexist. That goal can be approached several ways, the princess's cultural approach proved vain. The most effective way in my opinion -and the fastest for sake of not dragging the plot too long- is to abolish the opposite military forces and reform them into one of maintaining order, which in most cases than not can go very ugly until realizing so. In the end there has to be some kind of authority, be it martians or earthlings or a state of both. And to ensure peace and equality are achieved Slain decides to take matter to hands. This can go either ways, he may succeed and establish a firm state and forever be the hero who brought peace, or go really bad and be cursed for eternity or even forgotten. But if Slaine continues what he is doing there will be no earthlings to coexist with, remember that according to Yuki in episode 10 the martian invasion has driven the earthlings almost to extinction. |
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Raziel1991 said: But if Slaine continues what he is doing there will be no earthlings to coexist with, remember that according to Yuki in episode 10 the martian invasion has driven the earthlings almost to extinction. That might not be the case. He shows no animosity towards earthling other than its military. Unless every single earthlings is in an opposing military, I don't think Slain would go as far as to obliterate them. |
TooFy said: Raziel1991 said: But if Slaine continues what he is doing there will be no earthlings to coexist with, remember that according to Yuki in episode 10 the martian invasion has driven the earthlings almost to extinction. That might not be the case. He shows no animosity towards earthling other than its military. Unless every single earthlings is in an opposing military, I don't think Slain would go as far as to obliterate them. That's a horribly naive thinking plus the other counts fighting wiht him can just keep killing terrans behind his back. Just face it this war with Vers winning is anything but a good thing for anyone except the vers no matter how you try to spin your delusions to make it seem right. But then again you like Slaine. So no surprise there |
Darklight0303 said: That's a horribly naive thinking plus the other counts fighting wiht him can just keep killing terrans behind his back. Just face it this war with Vers winning is anything but a good thing for anyone except the vers no matter how you try to spin your delusions to make it seem right. I'd pretty much appreciate it if you'd use a more polite tone in addressing me and refrain from the use of such wording as "horribly naive thinking, delusions", thank you. Think of it this way, the earth's chances in winning this war are leaning to the small side. Vers prevailing and the counts descending to earth and expanding their territories is a big hit to earthlings, any who survive will be treated more horribly than a common Versian. It was established that Slaine realizes this and thinks negatively of this feudal like system and is probably working to demolish it. As he is now, he can't just ask the counts not to kill citizens, but looking where he aspires to be and how fast he is going there, he might soon can. |
TooFy said: Darklight0303 said: That's a horribly naive thinking plus the other counts fighting wiht him can just keep killing terrans behind his back. Just face it this war with Vers winning is anything but a good thing for anyone except the vers no matter how you try to spin your delusions to make it seem right. I'd pretty much appreciate it if you'd use a more polite tone in addressing me and refrain from the use of such wording as "horribly naive thinking, delusions", thank you. Think of it this way, the earth's chances in winning this war are leaning to the small side. Vers prevailing and the counts descending to earth and expanding their territories is a big hit to earthlings, any who survive will be treated more horribly than a common Versian. It was established that Slaine realizes this and thinks negatively of this feudal like system and is probably working to demolish it. As he is now, he can't just ask the counts not to kill citizens, but looking where he aspires to be and how fast he is going there, he might soon can. Except the moment the truth comes out about what he's done to get up there, he's going to fall. There's no chance in hell of Slaine pulling his goals off. Terrans would be fucked and all because some pompous assholes in space decided to hoard super tech and act like gods until they realized oh shit we can't do squat on mars actually. There's nothing justified about this war. Terrans did nothing wrong to deserve to be invaded. Your perspective is honestly sickening. Slaine's authority is an illusions built on lies. Nothing more. If you think his powerbase and authority would remain completely intact after 1: The truth about Sazbaum's death comes out 2: The truth that the Asseylum pushing for war was in fact a fake Then yes you do deserve to be called Delusional. |
Darklight0303Feb 16, 2015 3:15 AM
Darklight0303 said: Except the moment the truth comes out about what he's done to get up there, he's going to fall. There's no chance in hell of Slaine pulling his goals off. Terrans would be fucked and all because some pompous assholes in space decided to hoard super tech and act like gods until they realized oh shit we can't do squat on mars actually. There's nothing justified about this war. Terrans did nothing wrong to deserve to be invaded. Your perspective is honestly sickening. Slaine's authority is an illusions built on lies. Nothing more. I am not justifying anyone, not in the least Versians and their war. I simply am trying to convey my thoughts that, if chances came to only one of these two, earth under Slaines command may be better than it under Versians, and I tried to explain the logic I find in that. A blood bath happened and all involved lived to see another day, so in term of chances, I think not only can Slaine pull this off, but he can pull it neatly. Darklight0303 said: Then yes you do deserve to be called Delusional. I'm sorry to learn so. Have a good one. |
TunpaFeb 16, 2015 3:24 AM
TooFy said: Darklight0303 said: Except the moment the truth comes out about what he's done to get up there, he's going to fall. There's no chance in hell of Slaine pulling his goals off. Terrans would be fucked and all because some pompous assholes in space decided to hoard super tech and act like gods until they realized oh shit we can't do squat on mars actually. There's nothing justified about this war. Terrans did nothing wrong to deserve to be invaded. Your perspective is honestly sickening. Slaine's authority is an illusions built on lies. Nothing more. I am not justifying anyone, not in the least Versians and their war. I simply am trying to convey my thoughts that, if chances came to only one of these two, earth under Slaines command may be better than it under Versians, and I tried to explain the logic I find in that. A blood bath happened and all involved lived to see another day, so in term of chances, I think not only can Slaine pull this off, but he can pull it neatly. Except everything Slaine touches crumbles to dust or is so fragile it might as well be made of sand. Wants to protect the princess? Saves her guaranteed murderer with his own hands. All the while ignoring that it was his bloody fault she almost died to begin with. Someone with that kind of track record has no hope of achieving anything neatly. |
TooFy said: Darklight0303 said: Except the moment the truth comes out about what he's done to get up there, he's going to fall. There's no chance in hell of Slaine pulling his goals off. Terrans would be fucked and all because some pompous assholes in space decided to hoard super tech and act like gods until they realized oh shit we can't do squat on mars actually. There's nothing justified about this war. Terrans did nothing wrong to deserve to be invaded. Your perspective is honestly sickening. Slaine's authority is an illusions built on lies. Nothing more. I am not justifying anyone, not in the least Versians and their war. I simply am trying to convey my thoughts that, if chances came to only one of these two, earth under Slaines command may be better than it under Versians, and I tried to explain the logic I find in that. A blood bath happened and all involved lived to see another day, so in term of chances, I think not only can Slaine pull this off, but he can pull it neatly. Darklight0303 said: Then yes you do deserve to be called Delusional. I'm sorry to learn so. Have a good one. Don't bother, Darklight has a Slaine hate-boner so large you cannot even comprehend it. I agree with you that Slaine likely has no plans to exterminate the entirety of the human race. It is likely that if Slaine "won" the war his regime would be much better than whatever Vers and the dying Emperor would have. |
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| The fact is clear, the fanboy Slaine want to turn of Slaine, a pure white knight, typical shoujo manga character. and give the typical shoujo end. That is, they want everyone Slaine forgive, forget their crimes, and all the shit he did, and that has a happy ending. They think it's normal, that the Martians invade the homes of others, messing her, destroy her, and kill the owners, and are easily forgiven. For fanboy Slaine, he is a God, or Be his thoughts are. 1-Slaine-Sama never wrong 2-Slaine-Sama is perfect 3-Slaine-Sama is beautiful 3-Slaine-Sama kills people, is because he has a super plan, and everything is planned, the reform of mars. 4-Slaine-Sama Mind, It's because he has a super plan, and everything is planned 5-Slaine-Sama betrays, is because he has a super plan, and everything is planned 6-Slaine-Sama, use the name and the princess image to promote the war and the genocide. It's because he has a super plan, and everything is planned 7-Slaine-Sama, not wrong it is perfect, it is the salvation of the world, he is a God who created the world. Then complain when people call them fanboys Slaine of religious fanatics. So tired of these fanatics fanboys of Slaine, deal Slaine, with the SECOND COMING OF JESUS CHRIST. think he is the savior of the world. He has a fantastic creation of a The creation of the plan. Slaine-Sama is perfect, so your plans are immune to failure. |
seujair31Feb 16, 2015 3:41 AM
ANGRY2011 said: TooFy said: I am not justifying anyone, not in the least Versians and their war. I simply am trying to convey my thoughts that, if chances came to only one of these two, earth under Slaines command may be better than it under Versians, and I tried to explain the logic I find in that. A blood bath happened and all involved lived to see another day, so in term of chances, I think not only can Slaine pull this off, but he can pull it neatly. I'm sorry to learn so. Have a good one. Don't bother, Darklight has a Slaine hate-boner so large you cannot even comprehend it. I agree with you that Slaine likely has no plans to exterminate the entirety of the human race. It is likely that if Slaine "won" the war his regime would be much better than whatever Vers and the dying Emperor would have. Except you have absolutely no objective or logic proof to back up that belief. 0. Nada. Zilch. |
Darklight0303 said: Someone with that kind of track record has no hope of achieving anything neatly. But he has a good track record now. He is a count and almost a king, he has a castle and several powerful kats. He is on top of his game in Vers society. What's more to achieve there? I agree that it's unclear what his ideas about the reform are. Saazbaum didn't express his ideas properly as well. But we should remember that Slaine came into power after the initial and most powerful strike on Earth. He couldn't change it. If martians do really dominate on the Earth surface, the fastest way to peace is not starting another bloody fight, but making a new society from what is there. At least it's one of the logical ways. seujair31 said: typical shoujo manga character. Btw, shoujo is not a curse word - it's a big demographic, which includes a variety of works. |
Darklight0303 said: ANGRY2011 said: Don't bother, Darklight has a Slaine hate-boner so large you cannot even comprehend it. I agree with you that Slaine likely has no plans to exterminate the entirety of the human race. It is likely that if Slaine "won" the war his regime would be much better than whatever Vers and the dying Emperor would have. Except you have absolutely no objective or logic proof to back up that belief. 0. Nada. Zilch. Slaine has never been shown killing Terran civilians, Slaine has never affirmatively endorsed any mention of Terran extermination, Slaine supposedly wants to spread the power held only by the Vers elite downward to the masses - which although generally speaking are the Versian masses is a factor that suggests he would care for those of a lower class like Terrans may be seen as, and finally, Slaine is a Terran himself - even if fighting on the Vers side, and I haven't seen any hate towards the Terrans as a race from him. I'd say I have plenty of things which suggest Slaine as a ruler would be kinder to Terrans than the Vers Emperor. |
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deadoptimist said: Darklight0303 said: Someone with that kind of track record has no hope of achieving anything neatly. But he has a good track record now. He is a count and almost a king, he has a castle and several powerful kats. He is on top of his game in Vers society. What's more to achieve there? I agree that it's unclear what his ideas about the reform are. Saazbaum didn't express his ideas properly as well. But we should remember that Slaine came into power after the initial and most powerful strike on Earth. He couldn't change it. If martians do really dominate on the Earth surface, the fastest way to peace is not starting another bloody fight, but making a new society from what is there. At least it's one of the logical ways. Not really because he got none of that fairly. He lied and deceived to get to that position and that kind of way to gain power is anything but permanent. If the rest of the counts were to gang up on him he would die without a doubt. Plus he is NOT almost a king when he's not actually marrying Asseylum. Again. His power is an ILLUSION that only exists while the truth stays in the shadows |
ANGRY2011 said: Darklight0303 said: Except you have absolutely no objective or logic proof to back up that belief. 0. Nada. Zilch. Slaine has never been shown killing Terran civilians, Slaine has never affirmatively endorsed any mention of Terran extermination, Slaine supposedly wants to spread the power held only by the Vers elite downward to the masses - which although generally speaking are the Versian masses is a factor that suggests he would care for those of a lower class like Terrans may be seen as, and finally, Slaine is a Terran himself - even if fighting on the Vers side, and I haven't seen any hate towards the Terrans as a race from him. I'd say I have plenty of things which suggest Slaine as a ruler would be kinder to Terrans than the Vers Emperor. He has also done nothing to stop the killing of terran civilians. He could have given the space base an ultimatum for them to leave the facility before destroying it. Instead he flat out slaughtered everyone in that base without a second thought. Slaine is a terran himself. LOL yeah maybe I'd believe that if he still acted like one at any other time than when he's posing as the underdog in front of the other counts. You haven't seen hate but you haven't seen any active CARE for the wellbeing of terrans either. And again when it comes to end game goals he has done nothing but shoot himself in the foot EVERY SINGLE TIME. |
Darklight0303 said: Not really because he got none of that fairly. He lied and deceived to get to that position and that kind of way to gain power is anything but permanent. If the rest of the counts were to gang up on him he would die without a doubt. But you were speaking of his track record - and his record up to the current day shows that he is sucesfull. Technically he can very well suceed in his new effort too (won't be the case in A.Z though). He has the source of aldnoah under his control and he offers to the knights the rights to lands on Earth. It's extremely attractive. Also the ambitious would want to seize the opportunity to raise in the new court. If they gain a lot form his offer, they will settle for another princess lately, if Lemrina is revealed. And what about lying? How is it relevant? |
ANGRY2011 said: ,Darklight0303 said: Except you have absolutely no objective or logic proof to back up that belief. 0. Nada. Zilch. Slaine has never been shown killing Terran civilians, Slaine has never affirmatively endorsed any mention of Terran extermination, Slaine supposedly wants to spread the power held only by the Vers elite downward to the masses - which although generally speaking are the Versian masses is a factor that suggests he would care for those of a lower class like Terrans may be seen as, and finally, Slaine is a Terran himself - even if fighting on the Vers side, and I haven't seen any hate towards the Terrans as a race from him. I'd say I have plenty of things which suggest Slaine as a ruler would be kinder to Terrans than the Vers Emperor. incredible, the same arguments and the same excuses that were used by Nazi soldiers, when they were asked about their part in Nazism and the Holocaust. Really fanaticism makes thing |
deadoptimist said: Darklight0303 said: Not really because he got none of that fairly. He lied and deceived to get to that position and that kind of way to gain power is anything but permanent. If the rest of the counts were to gang up on him he would die without a doubt. But you were speaking of his track record - and his record up to the current day shows that he is sucesfull. Technically he can very well suceed in his new effort too (won't be the case in A.Z though). He has the source of aldnoah under his control and he offers to the knights the rights to lands on Earth. It's extremely attractive. Also the ambitious would want to seize the opportunity to raise in the new court. If they gain a lot form his offer, they will settle for another princess lately, if Lemrina is revealed. And what about lying? How is it relevant? He has a source and that source is an illegitimate child. Someone most of the counts would never actually accept. And lying is relevant because anything earned by lying can be easily taken away once the truth comes out. |
Darklight0303 said: He has also done nothing to stop the killing of terran civilians. He could have given the space base an ultimatum for them to leave the facility before destroying it. Instead he flat out slaughtered everyone in that base without a second thought. Slaine is a terran himself. LOL yeah maybe I'd believe that if he still acted like one at any other time than when he's posing as the underdog in front of the other counts. You haven't seen hate but you haven't seen any active CARE for the wellbeing of terrans either. There's no need or logic for Slaine to tell an enemy MILITARY base to surrender instead of destroying it, especially when his plan was a timing-based plan. I find it hard to believe a Terran who was oppressed by Vers constantly would turn around and decide to oppress all Terrans just as hard. Perhaps he would, but it seems unlikely. Even if you are correct, and he has shown no hate and no care, that still puts him at a neutral standpoint when it comes to Terrans, so that factor would be moot and the other factors still weigh in favor of his kinder treatment of Terrans than the Vers Empire. |
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| Face is very fanaticism. Slaine can not care for, and save a single person, Asseylum. How he can take care of several people |
ANGRY2011 said: Darklight0303 said: He has also done nothing to stop the killing of terran civilians. He could have given the space base an ultimatum for them to leave the facility before destroying it. Instead he flat out slaughtered everyone in that base without a second thought. Slaine is a terran himself. LOL yeah maybe I'd believe that if he still acted like one at any other time than when he's posing as the underdog in front of the other counts. You haven't seen hate but you haven't seen any active CARE for the wellbeing of terrans either. There's no need or logic for Slaine to tell an enemy MILITARY base to surrender instead of destroying it, especially when his plan was a timing-based plan. I find it hard to believe a Terran who was oppressed by Vers constantly would turn around and decide to oppress all Terrans just as hard. Perhaps he would, but it seems unlikely. Even if you are correct, and he has shown no hate and no care, that still puts him at a neutral standpoint when it comes to Terrans, so that factor would be moot and the other factors still weigh in favor of his kinder treatment of Terrans than the Vers Empire. A defensive military base that also housed non combatants and maybe even WOUNDED from the previous battle. Nothing about attacking that base the way he did makes it justified. Pretty sure it breaks the Geneva convention. I don't. Not when he's clearly gone insane to the point of delusion. A neutral standpoint that would still lead to the overall extermination of terrans because of his inability to enforce anything once the counts actually get their lands on Earth. They've fought each other in space on the moon and they'll continue to fight each other on Earth as well. It would be a waste of a planet and Slaine has no real unshakable power to stop it. |
Darklight0303Feb 16, 2015 3:59 AM
Darklight0303 said: deadoptimist said: But you were speaking of his track record - and his record up to the current day shows that he is sucesfull. Technically he can very well suceed in his new effort too (won't be the case in A.Z though). He has the source of aldnoah under his control and he offers to the knights the rights to lands on Earth. It's extremely attractive. Also the ambitious would want to seize the opportunity to raise in the new court. If they gain a lot form his offer, they will settle for another princess lately, if Lemrina is revealed. And what about lying? How is it relevant? He has a source and that source is an illegitimate child. Someone most of the counts would never actually accept. And lying is relevant because anything earned by lying can be easily taken away once the truth comes out. Face is very fanaticism. Slaine can not care for, and save a single person, Asseylum. How can he take care to care for and protect Asseylum. Now they think he can take care of a whole empire. |
Darklight0303 said: And lying is relevant because anything earned by lying can be easily taken away once the truth comes out. Nah, it can't, if you have an army and this lie is profitable. Also if the new society is estblished and it's beneficial, nobody would revert it. Darklight0303 said: He has a source and that source is an illegitimate child. Someone most of the counts would never actually accept. Yeah, that could be a problem, but it could be tackled if left for later. It's not that he is not risking, of course (and the writer makes it all happen too fast). But it would be better for them if they killed Asseylum. Nonetheless Slaine is giving to the knights exactly what they wanted. An immense power, both over Earth and Vers. And Lemrina is illegitimate, but her blood is true (Actually I wonder why legitimacy is even a thing in this case). What's important is aldnoah key. And some of the knights may be interested in her, because she is not a pacifist - a true daughter of the dead yung king. Lemrina is much more down to earth and mature than Asseylum. Darklight0303 said: A neutral standpoint that would still lead to the overall extermination of terrans because of his inability to enforce anything once the counts actually get their lands on Earth.. He is powerful himself, has a party behind him, controls the Lunar base and has a reputation of a fearsome and ruthless warrior (he vented his opponent in a duel). And he has the activation factor. |
Darklight0303 said: ANGRY2011 said: There's no need or logic for Slaine to tell an enemy MILITARY base to surrender instead of destroying it, especially when his plan was a timing-based plan. I find it hard to believe a Terran who was oppressed by Vers constantly would turn around and decide to oppress all Terrans just as hard. Perhaps he would, but it seems unlikely. Even if you are correct, and he has shown no hate and no care, that still puts him at a neutral standpoint when it comes to Terrans, so that factor would be moot and the other factors still weigh in favor of his kinder treatment of Terrans than the Vers Empire. A defensive military base that also housed non combatants and maybe even WOUNDED from the previous battle. Nothing about attacking that base the way he did makes it justified. I don't. Not when he's clearly gone insane to the point of delusion. A neutral standpoint that would still lead to the overall extermination of terrans because of his inability to enforce anything once the counts actually get their lands on Earth. They've fought each other in space on the moon and they'll continue to fight each other on Earth as well. It would be a waste of a planet and Slaine has no real unshakable power to stop it. A military base is a military base. It is a valid target for attack, no matter what you say. There is no rule in war that you aren't allowed to bomb an enemy military installation. Your opinion that he is insane and delusional is, as of this moment, still not fact. Therefore, it can only be as persuasive as my own opinion, and therefore unable to overpower it. You have no facts that say that Slaine couldn't control the counts afterwards. One of Slaine's supposed purposes is to weaken or replace the feudal system, something which he will obviously have to exercise control over the counts to do. You can speculate all you like, but be aware that challenging my speculation with speculation won't lead you to a victory, only a stalemate at best. |
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deadoptimist said: Darklight0303 said: Someone with that kind of track record has no hope of achieving anything neatly. But he has a good track record now. He is a count and almost a king, he has a castle and several powerful kats. He is on top of his game in Vers society. What's more to achieve there? I agree that it's unclear what his ideas about the reform are. Saazbaum didn't express his ideas properly as well. But we should remember that Slaine came into power after the initial and most powerful strike on Earth. He couldn't change it. If martians do really dominate on the Earth surface, the fastest way to peace is not starting another bloody fight, but making a new society from what is there. At least it's one of the logical ways. seujair31 said: typical shoujo manga character. Btw, shoujo is not a curse word - it's a big demographic, which includes a variety of works. Slaine, failed to protect Asseylum, which was apena a person. Imagine thousands, he will give lectures on birds and roses. Face it is Earthlings, most do not even know why the sky is blue. |
deadoptimist said: Darklight0303 said: And lying is relevant because anything earned by lying can be easily taken away once the truth comes out. Nah, it can't, if you have an army and this lie is profitable. Also if the new society is estblished and it's beneficial, nobody would revert it. Darklight0303 said: He has a source and that source is an illegitimate child. Someone most of the counts would never actually accept. Yeah, that could be a problem, but it could be tackled if left for later. It's not that he is not risking, of course (and the writer makes it all happen too fast). But it would be better for them if they killed Asseylum. Nonetheless Slaine is giving to the knights exactly what they wanted. An immense power, both over Earth and Vers. And Lemrina is illegitimate, but her blood is true (Actually I wonder why legitimacy is even a thing in this case). What's important is aldnoah key. And some of the knights may be interested in her, because she is not a pacifist - a true daughter of the dead yung king. Lemrina is much more down to earth and mature than Asseylum. That fact that people like Mazurek exists among the ranks of the counts actually proves you wrong. People do care for the truth and do care if the real princess is the one condoning the war. Hell even those who don't care about such things and just want to drag him down would rally under the banner or the royalists once the truth comes out if only to eliminate Slaine from a position he does not rightfully deserve. |
Darklight0303Feb 16, 2015 4:04 AM
Dragon_Slayer_X said: Brxck said: The Earth fight was pretty lacklust tbh but at least it wasn't Inaho asspulling in his orange mecha. Slaine's duel was pretty interesting and well done. So analyzing and forming good strategy while fighting in a Normal Suit =/= Asspull Sigh.... Forget that. Slaine asspulling in his FUTURE PREDICTION MECHA somehow is NOT an asspull to that person. NO logic there to be found :P |
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| Slaine will be a good ruler. Slaine the guy who does not realize save a person his beloved Asseylum, This is the joke of the year. |
| damn fans of shoujo, contaminate the forum |
Darklight0303 said: That fact that people like Mazurek exists among the ranks of the counts actually proves you wrong. People do care for the truth and do care if the real princess is the one condoning the war. Mazurek doesn't look as a very involved or powerful person. He was fine with killing terrns if necessary and following orders, he was fine with getting a new purpose after talking with Inaho. But in the end he goes with the flow, and in this episode he was shown not to be boiling with just ire, but to be musing over the strangeness of fate and difference of Earth environment. - He would easily go with the flow of Slaine's plan. As I've said, false princess is a problem, but if Slaine manages to install a profitable system before the reveal, many would be willing to overlook it. The promise of profit will make many overlook it right from the start. And with king dying, dynasty can be overthrown. If they have killed Asseylum the victory would've been theirs. But they still can hide her for a time. seujair31 said: damn fans of shoujo, contaminate the forum Do you really think that it's normal to curse a whole demographic? |
deadoptimist said: Darklight0303 said: That fact that people like Mazurek exists among the ranks of the counts actually proves you wrong. People do care for the truth and do care if the real princess is the one condoning the war. Mazurek doesn't look as a very involved or powerful person. He was fine with killing terrns if necessary and following orders, he was fine with getting a new purpose after talking with Slaine. But in the end he goes with the flow, and in this episode he was shown not to be boiling with just ire, but to be musing over the strangeness of fate and difference of Earth environment. - He would easily go with the flow of Slaine's plan. As I've said, false princess is a problem, but if Slaine manages to install a profitable system before t he reveal, many would be willing to overlook it. The promise of profit will make many overlook it tight from the start. And with king dying, dynasty can be overthrown. If they have killed Asseylum the victory would've been theirs. But they still can hide her for a time. That's what you think. Bottom line is Marlycian can't be the only one who doesn't accept Slaine and if even the smallest excuse presents itself to take him down such as the truth that he killed Sazbaum or that he has been using a fake princess to manipulate them all, they will use that to band against him and take him out before going back to the invasion. This is what you don't realize. |
Darklight0303 said: That's what you think. Bottom line is Marlycian can't be the only one who doesn't accept Slaine and if even the smallest excuse presents itself to take him down such as the truth that he killed Sazbaum or that he has been using a fake princess to manipulate them all, they will use that to band against him and take him out before going back to the invasion. This is what you don't realize. Nah, I see that as a possibility, but I think that also, in all fairness, he has a chance, and not a too ephemeral one. Knights wanted chunks of Earth to extract resources - and he gives it to them. They need aldnoah - he offers them the next heir. Vers is far off to intervene, and the king is dying (not to say that the knights undoubtedly have influece in the Versian court, so there people would seize the opportunity of trade). And Slaine has some power to make people think before crossing him. It's too good an offer to loose. But the question is, of course, whether he can hold on to it or not. Imagine him offering a peace to terrans soon. That would give him even more cards. I don't say that it is likely in A.Z, but if you think about it, a good devlopment for Slaine could've been possible. |
Darklight0303 said: deadoptimist said: Mazurek doesn't look as a very involved or powerful person. He was fine with killing terrns if necessary and following orders, he was fine with getting a new purpose after talking with Slaine. But in the end he goes with the flow, and in this episode he was shown not to be boiling with just ire, but to be musing over the strangeness of fate and difference of Earth environment. - He would easily go with the flow of Slaine's plan. As I've said, false princess is a problem, but if Slaine manages to install a profitable system before t he reveal, many would be willing to overlook it. The promise of profit will make many overlook it tight from the start. And with king dying, dynasty can be overthrown. If they have killed Asseylum the victory would've been theirs. But they still can hide her for a time. That's what you think. Bottom line is Marlycian can't be the only one who doesn't accept Slaine and if even the smallest excuse presents itself to take him down such as the truth that he killed Sazbaum or that he has been using a fake princess to manipulate them all, they will use that to band against him and take him out before going back to the invasion. This is what you don't realize. That's not all - with what slaine did he is enemy TO BOTH factions in Vers: - those who supported the princess ideas like Mazuurek will be against him for using fake princess to fuel the war. -Those who wanted her dead wi be against him for killing snazzybums. All Aseylum has to do once she escapes is to crash the royal wedding(which is bound to have everyone important) and expose Slaine for a fraud. |
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CookingPriest said: Darklight0303 said: That's what you think. Bottom line is Marlycian can't be the only one who doesn't accept Slaine and if even the smallest excuse presents itself to take him down such as the truth that he killed Sazbaum or that he has been using a fake princess to manipulate them all, they will use that to band against him and take him out before going back to the invasion. This is what you don't realize. That's not all - with what slaine did he is enemy TO BOTH factions in Vers: - those who supported the princess ideas like Mazuurek will be against him for using fake princess to fuel the war. -Those who wanted her dead wi be against him for killing snazzybums. All Aseylum has to do once she escapes is to crash the royal wedding(which is bound to have everyone important) and expose Slaine for a fraud. Exactly. Which is what I mean when I say that Slaine's power is fragile and nothing more but an illusion. |
| Slaine lost everything in episode 21. The title of the episode is the fool's fortune, he will see that all he has done so far not served to anything, and that in fact he wanted nothing more than nonsense |
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