Things like lolicon/shotacon and incest give anime a bad reputation

DrGeroCreation said:

WOW I didn't know you could get internet access while living under a rock. Seriously? Videogames have never been blamed for the violent actions of psychopaths and criminals?

Asturaetus said:

Oh come on! It should be obvious that he isn't litterally referring to noone speaking out against video games but that the acceptance of media with violent content be it video games or other is a lot higher in the general public.

It is a double standard to on the one hand consume such media but cry morals on loli content.

Lolicon said:
Well that is a load of crap seeing as a majority of the anime industry seems to be against any suggestion of bringing lolicon to an end. Even companies that are not directly involved in making loli/shota-themed anime or characters have repeatedly faught against trying to get rid of it(legally).

This is not to mention that if you know Japan's anime/manga otaku soceity then you'd know that they join the industry in opposing loli/shota regulations. So let me get to the point: If Japan's anime industry and fans are ok with lolicon in anime, then who the FUCK are you to say it's bad? That right there is annoying and offensive. The Japanese industry and fans clearly do not see it as a bad thing, but you do? Do you think you know whats better for the industry than the industry?

Outside of a few older people within the anime industry, the majority of the industry seems, as I said, perfectly fine with it. If you ask me, I'd say I am with them. If you do not like lolicon, do not look at it. That is the great thing about anime, there is something there for everyone. That is also why westerner will never be able to compete with anime when it comes to creativity. Japan isn't afraid to cater to the minority, the west dares not cater to the minority.

Now, do you want to know what I think is bad for anime? Two types of people:

1) Those that pirate it. The industry is more against piracy than loli/shota.
2) People that seemingly want restrictions on the creativity of the industry. The industry isn't behind you on your moral crusade to protect the human rights of things that are not real, so just drop the mindset.

I rest my case.

Oni_Link said:


That's because they can easily do something to hinder loli while there is nothing they can do about pirating and will never be able to do anything about it.

DrGeroCreation said:
WOW I didn't know you could get internet access while living under a rock. Seriously? Videogames have never been blamed for the violent actions of psychopaths and criminals?

Lolicon said:
I just want to bring this entire thread to an end(for me) with the following statement that is iron solid.

There is no reason to ban loli/shota, there is no reason to fear it, and there is no reason to think it hurts anime. There is no proof it creates real world problems and there is no proof it has made any negative impact on the anime industry. The thing that will hurt the anime industry is, as I keep saying, trying to restrict creativity. Lolicon has been apart of anime to some extent since the 70s and it is not going ANYWHERE anytime soon unless the Japanese government's study on the impact of loli/shota conclusively prove it's harmful and guess what? Every study on the impact of fictional child porn has shown it is NOT harmful and even that it HELPS stop child abuse.

Allow me to post the only known majority study conducted on the impact of fictional child porn on real life and it was done in Denmark by the request of a lady in the Danish government that was aiming to supply proof that Denmark needs to BAN fictional child porn...unfortunately for her, the study didn't come back the way she had hoped:

http://cphpost.dk/news/report-cartoon-paedophilia-harmless.2255.html < That link was also cited by Anime News Network's news department.

Here is a bit more info from a competing news paper in Denmark posting the same study info: http://www.information.dk/306474

There are smaller studies and opinion pieces by experts in sexology, psychology, and other related fields(most of them are in Japan) that pretty much have stated that loli/shota is no real threat to the real world. The minority of people that commit crimes over what they see in fiction does not depict the mentality of the entireity of loli/shota fans.

If 12% of anime seems to make the person that created this thread think that it hurts the majority of anime, then I doubt lolicon is the one with the problems.

Finally, here is a more intelligent and trustworthy opinion piece by some one at Duke University. He supplies more sources than I care to regarding loli/shota.
https://www.academia.edu/3665383/Lolicon_The_Reality_of_Virtual_Child_Pornography_in_Japan

After all of this, there is no way someone can say loli/shota is bad for anime/manga or that it's harmful seeing as there is facts saying other wise. It all comes down to: IF YOU DO NOT LIKE, DO NOT WATCH! Is that too difficult for people?

Viva la science!

JustALEX said:

Maybe I should've reworded it as....

No SANE, rational person bats an eyelash that people who enjoy FICTIONALLY killing humans in video games might actually want to do said action in real life.

And all studies (as it has already been stated) debunk the crazy notion that video games are responsible for real violence.

BTW....Japan has some of the lowest sexual crimes rate on this planet.

So yeah.....lolicons are not out there wanting to do things to real kids, they're perfectly fine with drawings.

DrGeroCreation said:
There have been researchers and scientists claiming that violent video games could increase aggression. You are right though there is no real evidence 100% supporting the idea that violent video games are responsible for violence irl. I have never said that all lolicons are out to sexually attack kids. I believe though that lolis could attract pedophiles considering lolis are little girl cartoon characters. Considering adults being sexually attracted to kids is not socially acceptable (well in most countries anyway) lolis can be an alternative.

tsudecimo said:
Yes, they should die and burn.

Drunk_Samurai said:


Which would be a good thing since hey aren't looking at actual children.

Drunk_Samurai said:
1) Lolicon is not child porn at all. There are absolutely zero children involved.

AO968 said:


Especially when some lolis aren't even children in the first place, but full-fledged adults who are just very short and have a child-like build.

AO968 said:


Especially when some lolis aren't even children in the first place, but full-fledged adults who are just very short and have a child-like build.

AO968 said:


Especially when some lolis aren't even children in the first place, but full-fledged adults who are just very short and have a child-like build.

DrGeroCreation said:
Uh........ this argument again. The thing is they do look like children even if they are supposedly adults.

Cyanwasserstoff said:
Who does decide if a nonexisting person would be a child or not ?
You @DrGeroCreation ?

One may say that Louise Francoise le Blanc de Valliere would be a "loli". Some other would say that she would be a teen with simple small breasts.

Oni_Link said:

Exactly that post gave me a headache :P All lolis are children.

DrGeroCreation said:
Uh........ this argument again. The thing is they do look like children even if they are supposedly adults.

DrGeroCreation said:
Lolis look and act like children or just look like children. Example

Loli




Not loli

Asturaetus said:
Lolis are like children? I don't know if I should laugh. Ever had to parent some of your relatives brats? Those little snotty nosed monsters? Lolis in anime behave as much like real children as female characters in anime behave like real women. ^^

AO968 said:


Especially when some lolis aren't even children in the first place, but full-fledged adults who are just very short and have a child-like build.

Cyanwasserstoff said:

Yeah, but you chose a very obvious one. I am talking about "the older kind of loli" like Louise, like Shana, like Kuroko Shirai. Some also see them as loli characters and some people do not think that way.

AO968 said:

You can't call it 'virtual child porn' if the character is not a child, but merely looks like one. Why is that so hard to understand?

Besides, why call it child porn at all, when we already have a term for it? There's a reason that term exists, so why call it something else, or compare it with something that looks similar at first glance, but is actually vastly different?

PeripheralVision said:
For the last time, they don't want to fuck real children. People have rape fantasies all the time, and it is considered completely natural. It's called BDSM. Is it suddenly not okay for people to practice BDSM? Besides, have you realize how ugly real children would be to lolicons? They're hideous little creatures.

AO968 said:


Especially when some lolis aren't even children in the first place, but full-fledged adults who are just very short and have a child-like build.

Asturaetus said:
The thing that seperates loli themed anime from child porn is that it is purely fiction. I firmly believe that fiction is allowed to do everything. Even exploring themes that go would go against the morals or about acts that commited in the real world would be outlawed. If someone wants to write a story about courting a child like Nabokov did, then he should be free to write it.

You don't like the content? Maybe it even repulses you? Good. Art isn't always about enjoyment or entertainment. Sometimes it even deliberately tries to induce reactions such as disgust or fear.

Furthermore this very discussion is more than enough reason for loli content to exist. Just think about it: the very fact that you discuss about it means that it led you to either question or reaffirm your position on this matter. It challenged your morals. Led you to start thinking. Isn't that value in itself?

Journey_95 said:
What do you think? sure you can say that I don't have to watch it but the fact that it exists (not only in hentai but in "normal" Animes too) is a bad thing for Anime in general if you ask me

Anime is such a great medium (some of them easily stand up to the popular tv Shows or movies in my opinion) but with crazy things like this they are dragged down

And please don't come with stuff like "its just Anime not real life" you can like whatever you want I'm talking about the Problem that its so normal in Animes and the effect of that

XxCorpsePartyxX said:
They do! Whenever I tell someone I watch anime (A non-otaku) They automaticaly think I watch hentai!

Zalis said:
Which should tell you that getting rid of loli/shota/incest/[insert other specific unseemly fetish here] would have zero net effect on the perception of anime among ignorant normals.

Asturaetus said:
The thing that seperates loli themed anime from child porn is that it is purely fiction. I firmly believe that fiction is allowed to do everything. Even exploring themes that go would go against the morals or about acts that commited in the real world would be outlawed. If someone wants to write a story about courting a child like Nabokov did, then he should be free to write it.

You don't like the content? Maybe it even repulses you? Good. Art isn't always about enjoyment or entertainment. Sometimes it even deliberately tries to induce reactions such as disgust or fear.

Furthermore this very discussion is more than enough reason for loli content to exist. Just think about it: the very fact that you discuss about it means that it led you to either question or reaffirm your position on this matter. It challenged your morals. Led you to start thinking. Isn't that value in itself?

Journey_95 said:


agree completely one can only hope that it will somehow die out (but it probably won't)

Oni_Link said:
Just look at all the threads about people on here being depressed, liking or loving being a shut-in. SMH

It will die out as anime slowly becomes more mainstream in the west. It's going to take some time though.......

Journey_95 said:


meanwhile we can be happy that there are enough good animes without all that disgusting stuff