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CookingPriest said: BotatoPriest said: Chaos;Head Mahou Sensou Death Note's second arc Mahouka etc. Gantz Claymore fuck madhouse Gantz was made by Gonzo. Not madhouse. And meh, Claymore was faithful up until the filler ending and three of the others were crap in the sources too. |
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| So next week's episode is still the same episode in Shirou's perspective? You know, getting stab and the episode ending when Saber is summoned. |
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AhenshihaelOct 6, 2014 5:57 AM
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| That's technically a spoiler right? It should be in one. |
AidanAK47 said: We are talking about faithfulness. Source being crap doesn't change the fact that Madhouse wasn't faithful nor does it matter.Gantz was made by Gonzo. Not madhouse. And meh, Claymore was faithful up until the filler ending and three of the others were crap in the sources too. EvilDoll said: That won't be the same episode tho.So next week's episode is still the same episode in Shirou's perspective? You know, getting stab and the episode ending when Saber is summoned. I know I'm nitpicking, but whatever :p |
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| I think this anime will heavily require the audience to have seen the fate zero series and maybe even the original fate stay night. It already shows you with not explaining anything and not setting a tone at the beginning. If i were knew to this anime and the first 30 are slice of life with a hint of magic i wouldnt expect an action anime. Action was nice though and i cant wait to download the soundtrack for it. animation style didnt really change.. still lower animated conversations and flashy effects and quickly changing images to imitate fighting scenes. Not really a qualitiv way of animation.. but hey it works.. just look at all the people who dont know anything about animation saying it is the best thing ever. Storywise i hope they wont make it like the ultimate bladeworks movie, which was just a chain of asspull events. |
LockensockeOct 6, 2014 8:39 AM
| Archer > Saber, come at me bros |
Lockensocke said: Lolno.I think this anime will heavily requires the audience to have seen the fate zero series F/Z is designed to be experienced after UBW. Lockensocke said: It won't. That non-existent movie has nothing to do with this series.Storywise i hope they wont make it like the ultimate bladeworks movie, which was just a chain of asspull events. |
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Lockensocke said: I think this anime will heavily requires the audience to have seen the fate zero series and maybe even the original fate stay night. It already shows you with not explaining anything and not setting a tone at the beginning. If i were knew to this anime and the first 30 are slice of life with a hint of magic i wouldnt expect an action anime. Action was nice though and i cant wait to download the soundtrack for it. animation style didnt really change.. still lower animated conversations and flashy effects and quickly changing images to imitate fighting scenes. Not really a qualitiv way of animation.. but hey it works.. just look at all the people who dont know anything about animation saying it is the best thing ever. Storywise i hope they wont make it like the ultimate bladeworks movie, which was just a chain of asspull events. Not really spoilers, but just in case: As for story... it's the same one in the movie. Whether they are asspulls is up to you, but the story is more fleshed out because they obviously have more than 100 minutes to tell a 15-20 hours long route. |
CapsuleCoreOct 6, 2014 6:48 AM
| This was freaking awesome. I love it. I really do. |
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jayss said: Don't worry, no one thinks otherwise.Archer > Saber, come at me bros |
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Lockensocke said: I think this anime will heavily requires the audience to have seen the fate zero series and maybe even the original fate stay night. It already shows you with not explaining anything and not setting a tone at the beginning. If i were knew to this anime and the first 30 are slice of life with a hint of magic i wouldnt expect an action anime. Action was nice though and i cant wait to download the soundtrack for it. animation style didnt really change.. still lower animated conversations and flashy effects and quickly changing images to imitate fighting scenes. Not really a qualitiv way of animation.. but hey it works.. just look at all the people who dont know anything about animation saying it is the best thing ever. Storywise i hope they wont make it like the ultimate bladeworks movie, which was just a chain of asspull events. No Zero should be watched after Stay Night. Granted, the UBW route is meant to be watched after the Fate route...but this was just a prologue, and the old anime should be skipped since it's a shitty adaptation. There was some explaining and more will come in time. Then it's a good thing this isn't an "action"anime in that sense, isn't it? Action was nice though and i cant wait to download the soundtrack for it. animation style didnt really change.. still lower animated conversations and flashy effects and quickly changing images to imitate fighting scenes. Not really a qualitiv way of animation.. but hey it works.. just look at all the people who dont know anything about animation saying it is the best thing ever. That's funny, but I don't think you watched the episode. Or have a shit computer/eyesight. Storywise i hope they wont make it like the ultimate bladeworks movie, which was just a chain of asspull events. Which only seemed like "asspulls" because they didn't adapt it right and rushed a 25+ hour route into a 1.5 hour movie. After reading that, it seems less like a legitimate comment and more like a deliberate attempt to rile up people. |
BotatoPriest said: jayss said: Don't worry, no one thinks otherwise.Archer > Saber, come at me bros I personally agree that Archer > Saber, but you know that many people think otherwise. |
CorePriest said: As for story... it's the same one in the movie. Whether they are asspulls is up to you, but the story is more fleshed out because they obviously have more than 100 minutes to tell a 15-20 hours long route. Yeah, not to mention that prologue kind of intentionally throws you in the middle of things, even in the VN, slowly explaining what is going on latter. A lot of fictional narratives do that. The episode did well to set up groundwork for newcomers: - we learn there are magi in the world and that they prefer to be in secret - We learn that there's something called Holy Church that acts as some sort of safehaven. - we learn magi set up something called boundary fields that serve variety of purposes. - we learn Tohsaka is a magus. - We learnshe feels responsible for her "territory" - we learn that her father is somehow dead(snce she is deciphering a will) and mother too since the priest on the phone says "something your parents left behind". - we learn there's some sort of magical war that happens periodically and to participate in which you need to summon a familiar and have a magical tattoo n your hand. - We learn there's a limited number of participants. - we learn its a war over an object that can grant any wish. - we learn that Tohsaka fights for the sake of fulfilling her family's desire to win that war. - we learn that servants are called by their weapon/style, but have identities of heroes that are meant to be secret as to not to lose the advantage. -we learn that Saber is supposedly best class. -we learn that the ultimate attack is something called a noble phantasm. - we learn that servants are spirits who can eat souls. That's pretty much majority of VN prologue too with exact same amount of info said, that is relevant to situation and to setting up what is going on. There's no need for anything else yet. Prologue sets up the world quite perfectly and then allows the show to naturally go more in depth into any of those subjects as it goes along . And its done in far more well-paced way instead of just dumping all info at once like Zero which assumes you know it already. In fact KNOWING what is up from Zero would make this incredibly boring. |
AhenshihaelOct 6, 2014 6:50 AM
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CorePriest said: Well, I know a few Saber fanboys that prefer Archer way more so maybe I exaggerated. Again.BotatoPriest said: Don't worry, no one thinks otherwise. I personally agree that Archer > Saber, but you know that many people think otherwise. @_@ |
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InsertPriestHere said: Action was nice though and i cant wait to download the soundtrack for it. animation style didnt really change.. still lower animated conversations and flashy effects and quickly changing images to imitate fighting scenes. Not really a qualitiv way of animation.. but hey it works.. just look at all the people who dont know anything about animation saying it is the best thing ever. That's funny, but I don't think you watched the episode. Or have a shit computer/eyesight. He was watching DEEN's FSN, I suppose... |
Just_ChickenOct 6, 2014 7:18 AM
chickenonthepan said: InsertPriestHere said: Action was nice though and i cant wait to download the soundtrack for it. animation style didnt really change.. still lower animated conversations and flashy effects and quickly changing images to imitate fighting scenes. Not really a qualitiv way of animation.. but hey it works.. just look at all the people who dont know anything about animation saying it is the best thing ever. That's funny, but I don't think you watched the episode. Or have a shit computer/eyesight. He was watching DEEN's FSN, I suppose...[/quote] ^ Lol I wouldn't say quickly changing images was used to "imitate" fighting scenes is entirety true, nor is it a cheap way to animate.Also, it's not even an animation technique...it's a general film technique and is done to increase the pacing and intensify scenes. |
| They didn't actually do that anyway, hence why I said he didn't watch it-since he thinks they did, he clearly watched something else. |
| OMFG that first episode was fucking amazing. The animation was hella good, the fighting was awesome and that Archer dude is a badass. Glad I picked up this series always heard how good it was and it lived up to hype for me. 15/10 |
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BotatoPriest said: AidanAK47 said: Gantz was made by Gonzo. Not madhouse. And meh, Claymore was faithful up until the filler ending and three of the others were crap in the sources too. We are talking about faithfulness. Source being crap doesn't change the fact that Madhouse wasn't faithful nor does it matter.p True, but they are faithful to the shows that matter. Considering their track record they do tend to be very faithful. BotatoPriest said: Lockensocke said: It won't. That non-existent movie has nothing to do with this series.Storywise i hope they wont make it like the ultimate bladeworks movie, which was just a chain of asspull events. Just saying but Nasu does has his fair share of asspulls.(Sword that kills someone seven times with one strike anyone?) He does have the habit of building a set of rules and then getting cornered by them. Only to asspull his way out. Of course one of his best quailties is that he can do this and you don't care because the end result was pretty awesome. |
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InsertPriestHere said: No Zero should be watched after Stay Night. Granted, the UBW route is meant to be watched after the Fate route...but this was just a prologue, and the old anime should be skipped since it's a shitty adaptation. There was some explaining and more will come in time. Then it's a good thing this isn't an "action"anime in that sense, isn't it? Who is saying that Zero should be watched afterwards? Is it only you or are you speaking from the writers perspective? Because looking at it, like i already said, is the new fate stay night anime lacking explanation(which would be necessary to know whats going on) and didnt set the tone, and in many cases it builds up FROM the Fate Zero anime.. so it SHOULD actually be watched after Zero. InsertPriestHere said: That's funny, but I don't think you watched the episode. Or have a shit computer/eyesight. If i hadnt watched the epiosde why would i be in a forum DISCUSSING the episode? Holy is this your own protecting philosophy trying to explain why some people think the ufotable animation style is just shit? I know anime fans dont know anything about how cgi should look like and anmiation especially but damn.. you could be a bit less close minded. InsertPriestHere said: Which only seemed like "asspulls" because they didn't adapt it right and rushed a 25+ hour route into a 1.5 hour movie. I highly doubt that those asspulls would disapear after making it longer because they are not lacking explanation but rather logic itself.. but I dont want to discuss the ultimate blade works movie mistakes here so i will just drop that topic InsertPriestHere said: After reading that, it seems less like a legitimate comment and more like a deliberate attempt to rile up people. Good that in MAL forums credibility isnt needed, since i obviously lost it from some random fanboy (pardon me calling you that but i can only asume it after personally getting insulted after just spreading my opinion^^) |
Lockensocke said: InsertPriestHere said: No Zero should be watched after Stay Night. Granted, the UBW route is meant to be watched after the Fate route...but this was just a prologue, and the old anime should be skipped since it's a shitty adaptation. There was some explaining and more will come in time. Then it's a good thing this isn't an "action"anime in that sense, isn't it? Who is saying that Zero should be watched afterwards? Is it only you or are you speaking from the writers perspective? Because looking at it, like i already said, is the new fate stay night anime lacking explanation(which would be necessary to know whats going on) and didnt set the tone, and in many cases it builds up FROM the Fate Zero anime.. so it SHOULD actually be watched after Zero. The author actually. Okay, he didn't say "watched", but he meant "experienced", as he wrote FZ for those who already knew FSN. There is a reason FZ casually throws around facts, while in FSN the background events from the 4th War are generally revealed as major plot twists. And you've seen one (!) episode of the new anime. As I've said before, the explanations will very likely come, only later because Rin already knows the rules. Shirou does not. Lockensocke said: InsertPriestHere said: Which only seemed like "asspulls" because they didn't adapt it right and rushed a 25+ hour route into a 1.5 hour movie. I highly doubt that those asspulls would disapear after making it longer because they are not lacking explanation but rather logic itself.. but I dont want to discuss the ultimate blade works movie mistakes here so i will just drop that topic Take it to another thread and I will gladly discuss these "asspulls" with you. And yes, with more given time and explanations, these "asspulls" are as much asspulls as any other Noble Phantasm (there is one explanation in UBW that I find ridiculous too, but I'm not gonna discuss this here). They were lacking explanations. There is logic behind it, if you're willing to read it. |
CapsuleCoreOct 6, 2014 8:33 AM
| Who is saying that Zero should be watched afterwords? Everyone else, and Zero itself. There's a reason Zero casually spoils half of F/SN's twists in the first episode alone and leaves somethings unexplained--it assumes knowledge of F/SN prior to watching it. The new anime isn't lacking explanation or tone. they simply haven't gotten around to explaining and setting up everything yet. Let's see, you said: lower animated conversations and flashy effects and quickly changing images to imitate fighting scenes. -Wtf does "lower animated conversations" mean? Also I don't know if you weren't paying attention or what, then because the fight scenes were actually fully animated there were no "quickly changing images". Or if you do consider that as "quickly changing images" then every anime ever was just "quickly changing images". "I highly doubt that those asspulls would disapear after making it longer because they are not lacking explanation but rather logic itself.. but I dont want to discuss the ultimate blade works movie mistakes here so i will just drop that topic" Like what? There are no asspulls, and it is the lack of explanation that makes it seem as there is a lack of logic when there isn't one. Edit:Or like Core said, take it to another topic. They can all be explained. |
InsertPriestHere said: Like what? There are no asspulls, and it is the lack of explanation that makes it seem as there is a lack of logic when there isn't one. Edit:Or like Core said, take it to another topic. They can all be explained. I wouldn't say that. My memory UBW may not be crystal clear but there was this moment at the very end that was a serious asspull which no amount of explaination can satisfactory explain. But frankly this thread has too many spoilers as it is so I will refrain from saying it. |
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jayss said: Archer > Saber, come at me bros That's nice :3 AidanAK47 said: BotatoPriest said: We are talking about faithfulness. Source being crap doesn't change the fact that Madhouse wasn't faithful nor does it matter.p True, but they are faithful to the shows that matter. Considering their track record they do tend to be very faithful. BotatoPriest said: It won't. That non-existent movie has nothing to do with this series. Just saying but Nasu does has his fair share of asspulls.(Sword that kills someone seven times with one strike anyone?) He does have the habit of building a set of rules and then getting cornered by them. Only to asspull his way out. Of course one of his best quailties is that he can do this and you don't care because the end result was pretty awesome. Well, there's also ;D |
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AidanAK47 said: InsertPriestHere said: Like what? There are no asspulls, and it is the lack of explanation that makes it seem as there is a lack of logic when there isn't one. Edit:Or like Core said, take it to another topic. They can all be explained. I wouldn't say that. My memory UBW may not be crystal clear but there was this moment at the very end that was a serious asspull which no amount of explaination can satisfactory explain. But frankly this thread has too many spoilers as it is so I will refrain from saying it. |
mirakura said: Well, there's also ;D Ah I forgot about that one. Oh Nasu... suikaMUSIC said: AidanAK47 said: I wouldn't say that. My memory UBW may not be crystal clear but there was this moment at the very end that was a serious asspull which no amount of explaination can satisfactory explain. But frankly this thread has too many spoilers as it is so I will refrain from saying it. Bingo. No matter how you explain that one afterwards it still is a pretty cheap asspull |
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AidanAK47 said: Bingo. No matter how you explain that one afterwards it still is a pretty cheap asspull Not really imo. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
AidanAK47 said: Bingo. No matter how you explain that one afterwards it still is a pretty cheap asspull |
mirakura said: jayss said: Archer > Saber, come at me bros That's nice :3 AidanAK47 said: True, but they are faithful to the shows that matter. Considering their track record they do tend to be very faithful. Just saying but Nasu does has his fair share of asspulls.(Sword that kills someone seven times with one strike anyone?) He does have the habit of building a set of rules and then getting cornered by them. Only to asspull his way out. Of course one of his best quailties is that he can do this and you don't care because the end result was pretty awesome. Well, there's also ;D Whole nasuverse runs on HAXXX, thats no different than ITS HOW they are explained and set up that matters. ITs not an asspull if its properly set up and explained. |
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CookingPriest said: Whole nasuverse runs on HAXXX, thats no different than ITS HOW they are explained and set up that matters. ITs not an asspull if its properly set up and explained. Not even to mention Notes and the fucking |
CookingPriest said: mirakura said: That's nice :3 Well, there's also ;D Whole nasuverse runs on HAXXX, thats no different than ITS HOW they are explained and set up that matters. ITs not an asspull if its properly set up and explained. Don't forget [spoiler]Because it's becoming a thing:[spoiler] |
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suikaMUSIC said: CookingPriest said: Whole nasuverse runs on HAXXX, thats no different than ITS HOW they are explained and set up that matters. ITs not an asspull if its properly set up and explained. Not even to mention Notes and the fucking Eeeh the Aristoteles power level being at the top is debatable. It's all more than a little complicated. |
InsertPriestHere said: Wtf does "lower animated conversations" mean? Also I don't know if you weren't paying attention or what, then because the fight scenes were actually fully animated there were no "quickly changing images". Or if you do consider that as "quickly changing images" then every anime ever was just "quickly changing images". You are aware that most anime (and perfectly seen in ufotables works) are using limited animation: while conversation they mostly stand still without moving or doing any other realistic thing like blinking (very rarly they do). The mouthanimation while talking is flapping instead of animate every single pronunciation (which is quite easily to do.. just look at the first seasons of southpark) Looking at the action scenes they put big flashy light effects over very fast moving pictures to make it seem like its good animated.. look at the action sceney with 1/4 the speed and you will notice that they arnt very good animated.. sure they are better than the limited animated conversation but still nothing compared to very good animated things like the Ghibli movies. Ofc i compare movies with a tv series, but there are also many american cartoon shows who got very good animation in it. In nearly any anime however you got limited animtion everywhere. I dont say it is wrong to do so.. i am just advising you that Fate Zero is NOT well animated, which can obviously seen looking and comparing technicle detail. |
| Everyone is implying that it is the biggest sin to watch Fate/Zero before Fate/Stay Night. I have watched Fate/Zero first, loved it, and I am loving the new F/SN adaptation. I don't get it what's people's problem. Yes, there were some confusing parts in F/Z but there is a thing called an internet if you are interested. |
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InsertPriestHere said: suikaMUSIC said: Not even to mention Notes and the fucking Eeeh the Aristoteles power level being at the top is debatable. It's all more than a little complicated. No its not debatable. mirakura said: |
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robis798 said: It's not.Everyone is implying that it is the biggest sin to watch Fate/Zero before Fate/Stay Night. I have watched Fate/Zero first, loved it, and I am loving the new F/SN adaptation. I don't get it what's people's problem. Yes, there were some confusing parts in F/Z but there is a thing called an internet if you are interested. But it's better to watch it like the author intended. This also saves people from getting confused ESPECIALLY at the ending. Have you even seen the episode 12 thread for F/Z second season? |
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BotatoPriest said: robis798 said: It's not.Everyone is implying that it is the biggest sin to watch Fate/Zero before Fate/Stay Night. I have watched Fate/Zero first, loved it, and I am loving the new F/SN adaptation. I don't get it what's people's problem. Yes, there were some confusing parts in F/Z but there is a thing called an internet if you are interested. But it's better to watch it like the author intended. This also saves people from getting confused ESPECIALLY at the ending. Have you even seen the episode 12 thread for F/Z second season? |
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CookingPriest said: ITS HOW they are explained and set up that matters. ITs not an asspull if its properly set up and explained. If it's properly set up, yes. However even if an asspull is explained afterwards it still remains an asspull. Also it is worthy to note that just because you show a few blurry pictures of a sword does mean you can pull out that sword later and have it at once defeat an unbeatable enemy, cure cancer, declare world peace and make a great cup of coffee. Aurioch said: Not really imo. Nope. |
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Lockensocke said: irrelevant stuff Do you realize how much harder it is to make good lip sync animation with art of this quality? ufotable's strength as an animation studio is in its art and cinematic feel, which may seem like lower framerates to you at times and thus gives off a "choppy" feeling. However, this only amplifies the cinematic feel that a movie gives off vs a tv show or a video. The art and character designs are top notch without a doubt and frankly, it would be jarring to see them act far too smoothly since they are definitely cinema level quality. Animation is not all about the movements of the characters, especially in such a diverse medium like anime. Comparing American cartoons or even Studio Ghibli to ufotable is like comparing apples to desk lamps. Not to mention, ufotable has fantastic background art to boot. The fight scenes were obviously well choreographed and their speed beyond human sight is what demonstrates their ferocity as servants. We cannot perceive them (which you cast aside as inferior animation) because they are supposed to be beyond our comprehension as superior warriors. |
AidanAK47 said: That's Nasu's explanation he gave in CM3 though. It sounds a lot like retconning to me, which is why it's still an asspull, but it's an explanation at least I guess. |
CapsuleCoreOct 6, 2014 10:06 AM
AidanAK47 said: CookingPriest said: ITS HOW they are explained and set up that matters. ITs not an asspull if its properly set up and explained. If it's properly set up, yes. However even if an asspull is explained afterwards it still remains an asspull. Also it is worthy to note that just because you show a few blurly pictures of a sword does mean you can pull out that sword later and have it at once defeat an unbeatable enemy, cure cancer, declare world peace and make a great cup of coffee. Aurioch said: Not really imo. Nope. |
AuriochOct 6, 2014 9:55 AM
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
suikaMUSIC said: Do you realize how much harder it is to make good lip sync animation with art of this quality? ufotable's strength as an animation studio is in its art and cinematic feel, which may seem like lower framerates to you at times and thus gives off a "choppy" feeling. However, this only amplifies the cinematic feel that a movie gives off vs a tv show or a video. The art and character designs are top notch without a doubt and frankly, it would be jarring to see them act far too smoothly since they are definitely cinema level quality. Animation is not all about the movements of the characters, especially in such a diverse medium like anime. Comparing American cartoons or even Studio Ghibli to ufotable is like comparing apples to desk lamps. Not to mention, ufotable has fantastic background art to boot. The fight scenes were obviously well choreographed and their speed beyond human sight is what demonstrates their ferocity as servants. We cannot perceive them (which you cast aside as inferior animation) because they are supposed to be beyond our comprehension as superior warriors. It may have pretty pictures it is still not well ANIMATED. And what? you think this is quality art? Hell no.. this is about avarage with some nice detailed backgrounds.. but characterdesign isnt over avarage. And like i said.. i dont blame them for not having well animated style to their shows. I personnally dont know how much they own and how much they spend for their animation but it actually doesnt matter, since it does NOT influence the representation from their shows.. it may excuse it but it doesnt make it better. And since the Fate Zero series was pretty much sold as shit i bet they could afford much better animation. The reason why they didnt include those.. anime fans wont appretiate them (they dont have any knowledge about animation and like it even with the old animation style).. in fact they will probably complain about it being better in quality since then it would look differently then their ordinary few of anime. |
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Aurioch said: AidanAK47 said: If it's properly set up, yes. However even if an asspull is explained afterwards it still remains an asspull. Also it is worthy to note that just because you show a few blurly pictures of a sword does mean you can pull out that sword later and have it at once defeat an unbeatable enemy, cure cancer, declare world peace and make a great cup of coffee. Nope. Lol, invisible hero~ |
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| Classic Stuff..... Animation and Art quality is top notch.... And it's F/SN.... 5/5 |
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Aurioch said: AidanAK47 said: If it's properly set up, yes. However even if an asspull is explained afterwards it still remains an asspull. Also it is worthy to note that just because you show a few blurly pictures of a sword does mean you can pull out that sword later and have it at once defeat an unbeatable enemy, cure cancer, declare world peace and make a great cup of coffee. Nope. |
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AidanAK47 said: zip Once, not twice. Though I agree with the rest. Unless you're basing this off the movie, because this isn't the case in the VN. |
CapsuleCoreOct 6, 2014 10:07 AM
Lockensocke said: even more completely irrelevant stuff The fact of the matter is that ufotable objectively DOES NOT have bad art, but since art is all somewhat subjective, it may seem so from your "superior" point of view--one which you have offered no explanation whatsoever other than stating them. The character designs were adapted from the original source material (the visual novel you clearly haven't even breathed upon) which was released in 2004 so they may seem a bit outdated--but hell a shit ton of people still enjoy them. Animation itself as a medium incorporates many aspects such as angles, backgrounds, even still frames, etc, none of which you have bothered to explain to a satisfactory extent. Either way, I'm going to go with CookingPriest and avoid derailing this thread even further, since you seem to have not even paid the slightest amount of attention to the actual episode or even the fate series as a whole since you insist on watching f/0 first. If you wish to continue this arbitrary and pointless rambling then go find another opponent who can deal with your unsupported tripe. |
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