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Sep 23, 2014 7:33 PM
#51
So begins the unnecessary generalizations and butthurt. You guys do realize Yorknew is just as edgy and flawed though, right? Voted Chimera Ant Arc because I'm an edgy teenager who likes to hurt myself. |
Sep 23, 2014 7:35 PM
#52
I don't understand why people like Yorknew so much. - Weak characterization of the main cast. - Barely touching upon the motivations of the troupe. - We learn nothing about Chrollo or why they killed Kurapika's people. - Kurapika is a boring main character. - Boring conclusion - The only good fight was between Chrollo and the Zoldycks, uvo vs kurapika was a one sided slaughter that wasn't that great. - Had some of the least creative fights in the series. Gon vs Hisoka was easily better than anything in yorknew - There are no memorable osts. I guess people only like bang boom boom fights as opposed to world building, character development etc. |
Sep 23, 2014 7:37 PM
#53
Opinions. I personally prefer the light heartedness earlier in the series. Makes me feel more upbeat. Yorknew City mangaged to combine dark storytelling, with upbeat themes which is why I think it is the best. |
Sep 23, 2014 7:40 PM
#54
fishergirl16 said: Yorknew. Every fight was just so exciting. I couldn't stop watching. Chimera Ant was meaningful, but there were just so many changes plot-wise, like the loss of Gon's innocence. I sometimes felt it was over-analyzed, and it didn't have the classic feeling of other arcs. ¿. This so much, I felt Yorkshin was the perfect "not so dark and edgy" culmination of its previous arcs while Chimera Ants I feel it's a story worth telling, just not in this anime and HxH doesn't feel like the same show anymore. To me it felt like if on One Piece we get all the hype about the Grand Line and after Luffy enters it, he then decides he's going to be fisherman, all that story build up gone. First arcs are more or less irrelevant to the rest of the world, they are about what's going on in that one place at that one time, there's intrigue and I am always wondering what's in the next corner. |
tesla21Sep 23, 2014 7:45 PM
Sep 23, 2014 7:42 PM
#55
Sep 23, 2014 7:45 PM
#56
I agree. Hunter x Hunter has always been about training, strategy, and working hard. For characters to be born more powerful than experienced nen users like Netero, Hisoka, and Chrollo who trained all their life for their power is pretty off-putting. Meruem was pretty much the Frieza of HxH. Not character wise, obviously, but in terms of "over-poweredness". Being 100x more powerful and mopping the floor with even the 2nd most powerful character. |
Sep 23, 2014 7:47 PM
#57
Kuralchemist99 said: Opinions. I personally prefer the light heartedness earlier in the series. Makes me feel more upbeat. Yorknew City mangaged to combine dark storytelling, with upbeat themes which is why I think it is the best. Isn't CA similar? It's darker than the other arcs, sure, but it also has some bright aspects. Ikalgo and Knuckle are characters that brought some optmism and even managed to sway their enemies' in the middle of battle, avoiding more deaths in the process. Scenes like Colt promising to take care of the queen's last baby showed even the ants can be good. Meruem's fate may be bittersweet, but you can't deny the message behind his development is ultimately a positive one. It's not all darkness and grit as some believe. |
YunoleffSep 23, 2014 7:51 PM
Sep 23, 2014 7:52 PM
#58
Lynx_7 said: Yes, and those were some awesome scenes. But I like how at the end of Yorknew City, Kurapika, Gon, and the others all came together after all of the pain they just went through. Where as in CA, Gon completely lost it, even threatened to kill a completely innocent girl in the process. Don't think for one second I am trying to generalize or behave disrespectfully. I 100% understand why people love the CA arc. But for me it was just too dark. Yorknew City had light at the end of the tunnel.Kuralchemist99 said: Opinions. I personally prefer the light heartedness earlier in the series. Makes me feel more upbeat. Yorknew City mangaged to combine dark storytelling, with upbeat themes which is why I think it is the best. Isn't CA similar? It's darker than the other arcs, sure, but it also has some bright aspects. Ikalgo and Knuckle are characters that brought some optmism and even managed to sway their enemies' in the middle of battle, avoiding more deaths in the process. Scenes like Colt promising to take care of the queen's last baby and showing even the ants can be good. Meruem's fate may be bittersweet, but you can't deny the message behind his development is ultimately a positive one. It's not all darkness and grit as some believe. |
Sep 23, 2014 7:53 PM
#59
Also a big turn-off about CA for me are the ants themselves, I find human characters alot more appealing. Just thinking back about Uvogin... he had very little screen time yet it's one of the characters I miss the most. I would have loved to see Gon and Killua get developed inside "the human world". Also I really like all that stuff about nen types which has been 100% absent |
tesla21Sep 23, 2014 7:58 PM
Sep 23, 2014 7:57 PM
#60
PoeticJustice said: There were literally like two major fights throughout the entire 20 episode arc. That's 1/10 of the arc. So why you think Yorkshin is just bang boom boom fights (And out of the two major fights the Silva/Zeno vs Chrollo one is the only one which you could put under such a label) is beyond me.I guess people only like bang boom boom fights as opposed to world building, character development etc. |
Sep 23, 2014 7:58 PM
#61
And only the very end of the fight had a "boom." |
Sep 23, 2014 8:10 PM
#62
Kuralchemist99 said: Lynx_7 said: Yes, and those were some awesome scenes. But I like how at the end of Yorknew City, Kurapika, Gon, and the others all came together after all of the pain they just went through. Where as in CA, Gon completely lost it, even threatened to kill a completely innocent girl in the process. Don't think for one second I am trying to generalize or behave disrespectfully. I 100% understand why people love the CA arc. But for me it was just too dark. Yorknew City had light at the end of the tunnel.Kuralchemist99 said: Opinions. I personally prefer the light heartedness earlier in the series. Makes me feel more upbeat. Yorknew City mangaged to combine dark storytelling, with upbeat themes which is why I think it is the best. Isn't CA similar? It's darker than the other arcs, sure, but it also has some bright aspects. Ikalgo and Knuckle are characters that brought some optmism and even managed to sway their enemies' in the middle of battle, avoiding more deaths in the process. Scenes like Colt promising to take care of the queen's last baby and showing even the ants can be good. Meruem's fate may be bittersweet, but you can't deny the message behind his development is ultimately a positive one. It's not all darkness and grit as some believe. It was just your first comment about CA fans neglecting flaws and liking it solely for being dark and edgy that rubbed me the wrong way, but I'm glad you clarified that. I can also understand why you, or any other person, might like YN better because of the reasons you listed and many others. But despite Gon's fate, I do think CA shows us a light at the end of the tunnel. Some of the ants are redeemed and even get to live on their own terms, a family gets reunited (Reina and her mother) and the villagers even accept the other ant as part of them, which shows that humans and ants can coexist after all, and even Gon ends up recovering at the end of the election arc. (though, admiteddly, what happened in CA could, and I honestly hope it will, eventually come back to haunt him) |
Sep 23, 2014 8:24 PM
#63
Meh, I didn't care that much for the big fight between Meruem and Netero. I knew he was overpowered as hell, but that just made his transition into a human-like personality, even more special. How the powerful, immortal king would give up everything for a weak human girl. |
Sep 23, 2014 8:25 PM
#64
mayukachan said: Meh, I didn't care that much for the big fight between Meruem and Netero. I knew he was overpowered as hell, but that just made his transition into a human-like personality, even more special. How the powerful, immortal king would give up everything for a weak human girl. IMO, I thought the ultimate admiration for their opponent was fucking beautiful, that's what made the fight so special for me. |
Sep 23, 2014 8:28 PM
#65
MrLief said: mayukachan said: Meh, I didn't care that much for the big fight between Meruem and Netero. I knew he was overpowered as hell, but that just made his transition into a human-like personality, even more special. How the powerful, immortal king would give up everything for a weak human girl. IMO, I thought the ultimate admiration for their opponent was fucking beautiful, that's what made the fight so special for me. Yeah, I did like that part about it. I mean, before the match, it was obvious who would win (the other characters kept on saying that Netero was nowhere near Meruem's power level) so that's why I said that. The highlight of CA Arc was still the other aspects for me. xD |
Sep 23, 2014 8:40 PM
#66
Yorknew arc for me and it wasn't an easy choice to make. The highs of Chimera Ant arc were probably the best moments/scenes in any anime I have ever seen. But Yorknew had a collection of scenes that were almost as epic. What gives Yorknew the edge for me is how densely loaded it was with awesomeness from beginning till the end. Every single episode without exceptions was playing with our minds and hearts, putting us on the edge of our seat. Yorknew in that regard may be the best arc in all of shonen. |
Sep 23, 2014 8:59 PM
#67
Personally 1. Hunter Exam (My feelings towards this arc are esoteric) 2. Yorknew (Compelling from start to finish) 3. Chimera Ant (Has the highest highs (imo) but also many lows) 4. Election (<3, </3 ending ;_;) 5. Heaven's Arena (Introduction to nen, <3 the tourney setting) 6. Greed Island (Fun arc, didn't like the villain) 7. Zoldyck Family (more of a sub-arc) |
Sep 23, 2014 9:03 PM
#68
Yorknew city easily. Heavens arena comes second for me. |
Sep 23, 2014 9:53 PM
#69
Still no votes for Zoldyck Family... |
Sep 23, 2014 10:44 PM
#70
Kuralchemist99 said: Still no votes for Zoldyck Family... Somebody should vote before one of them comes to assassin the fanbase. |
Sep 23, 2014 11:13 PM
#71
Kuralchemist99 said: I can't argue with you that people sometimes hate on something just for the sake of hating on something, because it is true. However there are a good amount of people that just happen to dislike Chimera Ant for legitimate reasons. Including some of the reasons mayukachan mentioned. Not saying all of them are not legitimate, but the length one mind of is by default due to its shallowness. The pacing was one of the best handled in anime. Madhouse did it in a smart way beefsteakken said: Mikasa said: Kuralchemist99 said: Just making an observation. Yorknew may not be as popular but it also has a significantly less portion of people who dislike it. And significantly less portion of people who hail it as the best arc of all anime, from which hailed the unjustified hatred for the CA you mentioned. That and some people not or mis- understanding a few things here and there. I can't believe fans of the same anime are putting up their favorite arc in the show by putting down another equally great arc in it. They're both great..what the fck lol. Chimera ant arc is the best arc in anime Yorknew arc is the second best That's pretty much the concensus here. |
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Sep 23, 2014 11:20 PM
#72
Sep 23, 2014 11:20 PM
#73
CA >>>> election > exam > heaven's > zaoldyck > yorknew >>>> GI. |
Sep 23, 2014 11:46 PM
#74
1. Yorknew 2. Chimera Ant 3. Hunter Exam 4. Election 5. Greed island 6. The rest |
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Sep 24, 2014 12:26 AM
#75
I found the Yorknew Arc to be FAR more interesting than any of the other arcs. On the other hand, the Ant arc was the only one I particularly disliked. Why? 1) Yorknew is the last time that ALL four main characters interact in a significant way. After that, Kurapica just falls off the face of the earth and Leorio reappears only in the last 10 episodes. A shame, considering that character development is definitely one of this series' strongest aspects. 2) Yorknew features a significant amount of character development and plot progression in a third of the time it took for the Ant arc to do the same (20 vs 60 episodes). So which arc do you think had the better pacing? 3) The Genei Ryodan (Phantom Troupe) and Hisoka are much better characterized than some overpowered mutant Ants who randomly showed up from out of nowhere to conquer the world. 4) Yorknew doesn't require flashy, over-the-top battles, gratuitous gore, or melodramatic deaths (due to radiation poisoning, no less!) to entertain. If not for the Ant arc, I would have given the show a 9/10. As much as I disliked the Ant arc, however, I think that it is a testament to the series' overall quality that I still gave it a solid 8/10. |
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Sep 24, 2014 12:32 AM
#76
1.CA 2.Hunter Exam 3.Yorknew City 4.Heaven's Arena 5.13th Hunter Chairman Election 6.Zoldyck Family 7.Greed Island |
Sep 24, 2014 12:38 AM
#77
Yorknew/GI CA Heavens Arena Election Hunter Exam Zoldyck Family Yorknew and Greed Island were the most engaging imo. CA arc had moments when it dragged for me even if it is the longest arc. Plus I was never a fan of Gon's transformation and Mereum's revival even tho I liked his character. |
YTFry91Sep 24, 2014 12:44 AM
Sep 24, 2014 1:12 AM
#78
Honestly some of these hardcore Yorknew and Chimera ant fans need to learn how to accept other peoples opinions and preference. OT 1. Yorknew - 10/10 2. Chimera ant - 9,5/10 3. Hunter exam - 8,5/10 4. Hunter Chairman Election 8/10 5. Greed Island 7,5/10 5. Heavens arena 7,5/10 6. Zoldyck Family 6/10 |
SaSa-ZoldyckSep 24, 2014 2:23 AM
''We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think?'' - Uchiha Itachi |
Sep 24, 2014 2:52 AM
#79
SaSa-Zoldyck said: Honestly some of these hardcore Yorknew and Chimera ant fans need to learn how to accept other peoples opinions and preference. I'm not seeing nearly as many Chimera Ant fans complaining about people having Yorknew as their favorite arc. It's a mostly one-way bashing. (Which isn't to say that Yorknew fans hate Chimera Ants. They just seem to be a lot louder about disliking it.) Also, you forgot Heaven's Arena. :p OT: Rather than simply listing numbers, I'd like to "think aloud" a bit and talk about why I'd rate each arc the way I do. I would consider Chimera Ants a 10/10 for its theme exploration (people vs. nature, evolution/malice and humanity's potential for cruelty), for its character development (Gon and Meruem, primarily) and the character dynamic change thanks to this (Gon/Killua), as well as the mostly-excellent narration and (yes) the action. I do think it had minor pacing problems, but given all of the positives, I think it's greatly overshadowed and not enough to be worth deducting a point. Yorknew is also a 10/10 for its atmosphere, mystery, character complexity (Chrollo individually and the Phantom Troupe as a group), tension, and flawless execution. It's been awhile, but I honestly cannot think of anything it did wrong. The further exploration of nen was a nice touch and the anticlimax ending was somewhat refreshing as well. I would rate the Hunter Exam an 8/10. It's positives mostly include worldbuilding, character introduction and dynamic, and good plot escalation with the exam itself. Our introduction to Hisoka and Illumi in particular added a degree of wonder to the series. That such people existed simply had to be a taste of things to come, no? There were some excellent distinguishing features introduced to the anime as well, such as Gon's inferiority as a protagonist and thoughtfulness for an action shounen MC. Heaven's Arena would get an 8/10 as well. A tourny arc is usually a fairly cliché setup, but there was a massive amount of worldbuilding with the introduction and explanation of nen. It also solidified that fights in HxH rely on more than base traits such as power or speed. Strategy and mindgames were just as important. I also feel the subversion of "climbing to the top and beating the best guy" helped remove the arc's premise from its cliché roots: Gon didn't even truly beat his one opponent, even though he accomplished his goal. Greed Island would be a 7/10 to me. I think it's mostly underrated due to the other superb arcs, with the worldbuilding and expansion of nen being the main positives. The team-up with Hisoka and dodgeball battle with Razor were the highlights. The bomber was a fairly typical (if well executed) villain, but I thought this was acceptable given that they were playing a game and he was akin to the boss of said game. As for the Election arc, I'd go with 6/10. There was a lot of good buildup with with Nanika; it was something else new and unknown, and the various rules made the premise all the more interesting. The interactions amongst the Zodiacs were fun to watch and Pariston in particular proved intriguing (er... trolltastic). However, the Nanika side of the arc felt totally aborted thanks to healing Gon having no ill consequences, which devolved even further into overpowered-dom with Nanika's ability posing no consequences for commands. It made the whole first half of the arc feel much weaker and there was no in-story explanation or balancing made to rectify this. It also made Gon's sacrifice feel much cheaper, and while it may have further consequences in the manga, in relation to the anime it will not. The last few episodes saved it from a 5/10. The Zoldyck family mini-arc would be a 6/10 as well. There wasn't enough time for much to happen, but Killua's family and how they affect Killua was introduced well. Edit: Typos. |
TripleSRankSep 24, 2014 12:45 PM
Sep 24, 2014 2:58 AM
#80
York New> Chimera Ant (Lackluster First Half))> Hunter Exam> Election> Heavens Arc> Greed Island > Zolydck (not even an arc really) Ratings- York New: 10/10, Chimera Ant: 10/10, Hunter Exam: 9/10, Election: 9/10, Heavens Arc: 8/10, Greed Island: 7.5/10, Zoldycks: 7/10 |
RamzeeSep 24, 2014 4:14 AM
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Sep 24, 2014 3:40 AM
#81
Lynx_7 said: Kuralchemist99 said: Lynx_7 said: Kuralchemist99 said: Opinions. I personally prefer the light heartedness earlier in the series. Makes me feel more upbeat. Yorknew City mangaged to combine dark storytelling, with upbeat themes which is why I think it is the best. Isn't CA similar? It's darker than the other arcs, sure, but it also has some bright aspects. Ikalgo and Knuckle are characters that brought some optmism and even managed to sway their enemies' in the middle of battle, avoiding more deaths in the process. Scenes like Colt promising to take care of the queen's last baby and showing even the ants can be good. Meruem's fate may be bittersweet, but you can't deny the message behind his development is ultimately a positive one. It's not all darkness and grit as some believe. It was just your first comment about CA fans neglecting flaws and liking it solely for being dark and edgy that rubbed me the wrong way, but I'm glad you clarified that. I can also understand why you, or any other person, might like YN better because of the reasons you listed and many others. But despite Gon's fate, I do think CA shows us a light at the end of the tunnel. Some of the ants are redeemed and even get to live on their own terms, a family gets reunited (Reina and her mother) and the villagers even accept the other ant as part of them, which shows that humans and ants can coexist after all, and even Gon ends up recovering at the end of the election arc. (though, admiteddly, what happened in CA could, and I honestly hope it will, eventually come back to haunt him) But that 'message' about ants living together with human requires that the ants forgo their ant nature and completely revert to the human one, so basically self-defeating. In any other context that is usually taken the wrong way. Of course there are some people who inflate the 'deepness', 'so artistic' and 'psychomologicalness' of the CA arc to feel smartish or to conform, but I can understand those who genuinely liked the change of the characters. That is just something that has never been too important for me in a story. I am far more interested in an engaging plot than changing characters. Edit: Forgot to give ratings for the arcs Yorknew= 10/10 Chimera Ant = 8/10 Heaven's Arena = 8/10 Election= 7.5/10 Hunter Exam= 6.5/10 Greed Island= 6/10 Zoldyck= 5/10 |
RedRoseFringSep 24, 2014 3:46 AM
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Sep 24, 2014 4:56 AM
#82
I'm glad there are more people who share my view Chimera Ant > Yorknew. |
Sep 24, 2014 5:30 AM
#83
TripleSRank said: SaSa-Zoldyck said: Honestly some of these hardcore Yorknew and Chimera ant fans need to learn how to accept other peoples opinions and preference. I'm see nearly as many Chimera Ant fans complaining about people having Yorknew as their favorite arc. It's a mostly one-way bashing. (Which isn't to say that Yorknew fans hate Chimera Ants. They just seem to be a lot louder about disliking it.) Also, you forgot Heaven's Arena. :p Both arcs got hardcore fans who are convinced that everybody should like what they like lol. Just take a look at the previous comments.Thats why I named both of them. Ah you caught me huh, the weird thing is that to me the funniest moment of the series was when Hisoka jizzed in his pants during his fight with Gon. Yet I forgot about the arc haha. |
''We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think?'' - Uchiha Itachi |
Sep 24, 2014 5:57 AM
#84
1) Yorkshin 2) Hunter exam 3) Election 4) Greed Island 5) Chimera Ants 6) Heaven's Arena 7) Zoldyck family |
Sep 24, 2014 6:02 AM
#85
Chimera Ant Yorknew City Hunter Exam Heaven's Arena Greed Island Zoldyck Family 13th Hunter Chairman Election That order |
Sep 24, 2014 6:56 AM
#86
RedRoseFring said: But that 'message' about ants living together with human requires that the ants forgo their ant nature and completely revert to the human one, so basically self-defeating. In any other context that is usually taken the wrong way. Of course there are some people who inflate the 'deepness', 'so artistic' and 'psychomologicalness' of the CA arc to feel smartish or to conform, but I can understand those who genuinely liked the change of the characters. That is just something that has never been too important for me in a story. I am far more interested in an engaging plot than changing characters. Edit: Forgot to give ratings for the arcs Yorknew= 10/10 Chimera Ant = 8/10 Heaven's Arena = 8/10 Election= 7.5/10 Hunter Exam= 6.5/10 Greed Island= 6/10 Zoldyck= 5/10 I prefer to believe forgoing one's more primal instincts is part of the process of evolution. As human beings, we have also come a long way since our ancestors discovered fire. And to be fair, ant society was shown to be better and more well organized before they developed individuality. For me, it's less about change and more about characterization and how engaging they actually are. Good development is a great bonus, but there are a lot of stationary characters that I would consider favorites of mine. In HxH we have Chrollo, Hisoka, Netero, Pariston and others. I do usually find it hard to care about a story if its characters are flat or uninteresting though, since they are ultimately the ones directly involved with the plot. I've seem great premises being ruined by godawful characterization, and some cases of great characters carrying a weak story on their shoulders. Ideally, a balance between the two would be the best option for me, give or take on which spectrum is more favored, and I do think both CA and YN have both aspects in spades. CA just happens to have a lot more higher highs for me, and these memorable moments overshadow the lesser episodes here and there. |
Sep 24, 2014 7:03 AM
#87
Chimera Ant 9.5/10 Yorknew 9/10 Chairman Election 8.5/10 Greed Island 8.5/10 Heaven 8/10 Hunter Exam 8/10 Zoldyck Family 7/10 |
Sep 24, 2014 7:15 AM
#88
YorkNew > Hunter Exam > Chimera Ant > Election Arc > Greed Island > Zoldyck Family > Heaven's Arena |
Sep 24, 2014 7:47 AM
#89
So with your ratings now: Hunter Exam 8.5 Zoldyck 7.5 (hard to call it an arc tho) Heaven's Arena 8.8 Yorknew 9 Greed Island 8.6 Chimera Ant 7.5 Election : 8 |
Sep 24, 2014 7:59 AM
#90
Mr7Beans said: 1) Chimera Ant 2) Yorknew City 3) Hunter Exam 4) Heavens Arena 5) Chairman Election 6) Zoldyck Family 7) Greed Island Like this. But I'll put Yorknew City at the first. The rest of them is perfect. Greed Island is the weakest one. I never get really hooked to trapped-in-a-game plots (e.g SAO, NGNL, Log Horizon). |
Sep 24, 2014 8:10 AM
#91
1) Yorknew 2) Heaven's Arena 3) Chairman Election 4) Hunter Exam 5) Zoldyck Family 6) Greed Island 7) Chimera Ant |
Sep 24, 2014 8:35 AM
#92
Sep 24, 2014 9:03 AM
#93
Yorknew and Hunter Exam take the cake for me. Enjoyed them a lot. Really wanted to see more Hanzo and Satotz though. It seemed like they'd play an important role after the Hunter Exam, but they disappeared. :/ |
Sep 24, 2014 9:11 AM
#94
Yorknew > Election > Greed Island = Chimera Ants = Hunter Exam > Zoldyck Family > Heavens Arena |
Sep 24, 2014 9:42 AM
#95
Lynx_7 said: RedRoseFring said: But that 'message' about ants living together with human requires that the ants forgo their ant nature and completely revert to the human one, so basically self-defeating. In any other context that is usually taken the wrong way. Of course there are some people who inflate the 'deepness', 'so artistic' and 'psychomologicalness' of the CA arc to feel smartish or to conform, but I can understand those who genuinely liked the change of the characters. That is just something that has never been too important for me in a story. I am far more interested in an engaging plot than changing characters. Edit: Forgot to give ratings for the arcs Yorknew= 10/10 Chimera Ant = 8/10 Heaven's Arena = 8/10 Election= 7.5/10 Hunter Exam= 6.5/10 Greed Island= 6/10 Zoldyck= 5/10 I prefer to believe forgoing one's more primal instincts is part of the process of evolution. As human beings, we have also come a long way since our ancestors discovered fire. And to be fair, ant society was shown to be better and more well organized before they developed individuality. For me, it's less about change and more about characterization and how engaging they actually are. Good development is a great bonus, but there are a lot of stationary characters that I would consider favorites of mine. In HxH we have Chrollo, Hisoka, Netero, Pariston and others. I do usually find it hard to care about a story if its characters are flat or uninteresting though, since they are ultimately the ones directly involved with the plot. I've seem great premises being ruined by godawful characterization, and some cases of great characters carrying a weak story on their shoulders. Ideally, a balance between the two would be the best option for me, give or take on which spectrum is more favored, and I do think both CA and YN have both aspects in spades. CA just happens to have a lot more higher highs for me, and these memorable moments overshadow the lesser episodes here and there. The ant society was just better at working together....to kill humans. That doesn't help the coexisting argument. When most people talk about "character development" here, they are usually referring to change, which is why I took that approach with you. I believe Yorknew was just as good with characterization, even without the added benefit of the CA arc's length. So I don't see that as an aspect that could put the CA arc over Yorknew. So in the end, Yorknew was much better in the plot aspect and just as good in characterization, hence my ranking. |
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Sep 24, 2014 9:43 AM
#96
1- Chimera Ant + Yorknew both 9.5/10 2-Hunter Exam 9/10 3-Election 9/10 4-Greed Island 8.5/10 5-Heaven's Arena 8/10 6-Zoldyck Family 7/10 i vote for Chimera Ant and Yorknew but i can't so i wont vote :) |
Sep 24, 2014 10:06 AM
#97
Election > Yorknew > Hunter Exam > Heaven's Arena > Chimera Ant > Zoldyk Family > Greed Island |
Sep 24, 2014 10:15 AM
#98
RedRoseFring said: It seems to me that the majority of people who prefer plot driven stories choose Yorknew City. While people who prefer character driven stories choose Chimera Ant. I myself am more of a plot driven kind of fan so I like Yorknew City more. I agree with you though, I thought Yorknew had a vastly superior plot, and just as good, if not better characterization. I also prefered the fact that Kurapika was actually a threat to the PT. In just 20 episodes he managed to do a real number on them. He actually got stuff done, on his own.Lynx_7 said: RedRoseFring said: But that 'message' about ants living together with human requires that the ants forgo their ant nature and completely revert to the human one, so basically self-defeating. In any other context that is usually taken the wrong way. Of course there are some people who inflate the 'deepness', 'so artistic' and 'psychomologicalness' of the CA arc to feel smartish or to conform, but I can understand those who genuinely liked the change of the characters. That is just something that has never been too important for me in a story. I am far more interested in an engaging plot than changing characters. Edit: Forgot to give ratings for the arcs Yorknew= 10/10 Chimera Ant = 8/10 Heaven's Arena = 8/10 Election= 7.5/10 Hunter Exam= 6.5/10 Greed Island= 6/10 Zoldyck= 5/10 I prefer to believe forgoing one's more primal instincts is part of the process of evolution. As human beings, we have also come a long way since our ancestors discovered fire. And to be fair, ant society was shown to be better and more well organized before they developed individuality. For me, it's less about change and more about characterization and how engaging they actually are. Good development is a great bonus, but there are a lot of stationary characters that I would consider favorites of mine. In HxH we have Chrollo, Hisoka, Netero, Pariston and others. I do usually find it hard to care about a story if its characters are flat or uninteresting though, since they are ultimately the ones directly involved with the plot. I've seem great premises being ruined by godawful characterization, and some cases of great characters carrying a weak story on their shoulders. Ideally, a balance between the two would be the best option for me, give or take on which spectrum is more favored, and I do think both CA and YN have both aspects in spades. CA just happens to have a lot more higher highs for me, and these memorable moments overshadow the lesser episodes here and there. The ant society was just better at working together....to kill humans. That doesn't help the coexisting argument. When most people talk about "character development" here, they are usually referring to change, which is why I took that approach with you. I believe Yorknew was just as good with characterization, even without the added benefit of the CA arc's length. So I don't see that as an aspect that could put the CA arc over Yorknew. So in the end, Yorknew was much better in the plot aspect and just as good in characterization, hence my ranking. |
Sep 24, 2014 10:15 AM
#99
1- Chimera Ants + York Shin 10/10 (both of them are masterpieces for me) 2- Election 8/10 3- Heaven's Arena 7.5/10 4- Greed Island 7/10 5- Zoldyck Family and Hunter Exame 6/10 |
Sep 24, 2014 10:30 AM
#100
RedRoseFring said: Lynx_7 said: I prefer to believe forgoing one's more primal instincts is part of the process of evolution. As human beings, we have also come a long way since our ancestors discovered fire. And to be fair, ant society was shown to be better and more well organized before they developed individuality. For me, it's less about change and more about characterization and how engaging they actually are. Good development is a great bonus, but there are a lot of stationary characters that I would consider favorites of mine. In HxH we have Chrollo, Hisoka, Netero, Pariston and others. I do usually find it hard to care about a story if its characters are flat or uninteresting though, since they are ultimately the ones directly involved with the plot. I've seem great premises being ruined by godawful characterization, and some cases of great characters carrying a weak story on their shoulders. Ideally, a balance between the two would be the best option for me, give or take on which spectrum is more favored, and I do think both CA and YN have both aspects in spades. CA just happens to have a lot more higher highs for me, and these memorable moments overshadow the lesser episodes here and there. The ant society was just better at working together....to kill humans. That doesn't help the coexisting argument. When most people talk about "character development" here, they are usually referring to change, which is why I took that approach with you. I believe Yorknew was just as good with characterization, even without the added benefit of the CA arc's length. So I don't see that as an aspect that could put the CA arc over Yorknew. So in the end, Yorknew was much better in the plot aspect and just as good in characterization, hence my ranking. The ant society being better with less individual beings wasn't meant to reinforce the coexistance argument, though having a society like that doesn't necessarily rule out coexistance as long as they still developed empathy and learned to live alongside humans. That sort of balance wasn't what the story was aiming for, though, but the message conceived is also optmistic, which was what was being argued in the first place. That's the thing, though, I don't consider YN's plot better than CA's. YN was more about fast pacing, a cool noir-ish atmosphere, a strong cat and mouse script and a charismatic group of villains. CA on the other hand had more interesting setpieces, underlying themes, plot development and impact on the overall world, character analysis, bigger scale, presentation and equally compelling antagonists. I don't really consider it a better arc on basis of character development alone but rather because of the whole package. Meruem's character and growth, and to a minor extent Killua's, are just ingredients of a much meatier meal. They add a lot to it but wouldn't be as tasty just by themselves. It's a cliche to say this by now, but opinions. |
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