Aldnoah.Zero Season One
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Siva said: chickenonthepan said: I am not sure why do we need a explanation about Inaho as a character. I mean do I need to know why someone is a tsundere? Isn't the role of the princess already clear since the first episode?All it needs right now is a plot twist to explain Inaho's characteristic and highlight the role of the princess in the story. He is different from other people. At least we need something to understand him more. A tsundere express his/her emotions, so we can get to know them. Inaho rarely expresses his emotion, so a plot is needed for people to understand him. If the role of the princess is just for starting the war, it is really minor for me. She can do that well as a supporting character. A main char needs to me more active than she is now. |
chickenonthepan said: I honestly think his character is perfectly understandable. As for the princess, I think her second role which is to end this war isn't going to start any time soon because this chaotic has to continue or else they won't have any story to write.Siva said: I am not sure why do we need a explanation about Inaho as a character. I mean do I need to know why someone is a tsundere? Isn't the role of the princess already clear since the first episode? He is different from other people. At least we need something to understand him more. A tsundere express his/her emotions, so we can get to know them. Inaho rarely expresses his emotion, so a plot is needed for people to understand him. If the role of the princess is just for starting the war, it is really minor for me. She can do that well as a supporting character. A main char needs to me more active than she is now. |
 "A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
Siva said: chickenonthepan said: I honestly think his character is perfectly understandable. As for the princess, I think her second role which is to end this war isn't going to start any time soon because this chaotic has to continue or else they won't have any story to write.He is different from other people. At least we need something to understand him more. A tsundere express his/her emotions, so we can get to know them. Inaho rarely expresses his emotion, so a plot is needed for people to understand him. If the role of the princess is just for starting the war, it is really minor for me. She can do that well as a supporting character. A main char needs to me more active than she is now. I don't find someone who literally watched his friend die in front of his eyes without saying a word or making an expression understandable the slightest. I'm not sure how they're going to redeem this character, even with a backstory (though I doubt they're going to give him one). Slaine, while occasionally generic, is a much better example of emotional restraint. |
SleepingEntity said: Siva said: I honestly think his character is perfectly understandable. As for the princess, I think her second role which is to end this war isn't going to start any time soon because this chaotic has to continue or else they won't have any story to write. I don't find someone who literally watched his friend die in front of his eyes without saying a word or making an expression understandable the slightest. I'm not sure how they're going to redeem this character, even with a backstory (though I doubt they're going to give him one). Slaine, while occasionally generic, is a much better example of emotional restraint. I actually find it quite relateable being someone who was questioned by my family for not showing any reaction at the sudden death of my mom when I was 18. For some people crying and the such helps others deal with things in other ways. |
| well i don't know what to feel about this i think i might give this 7 or 6 |
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Pentobarbidoll said: Hitlariousnazi said: well i don't know what to feel about this i think i might give this 7 or 6 But there are still 7 episodes left. no, 19 episodes left.... |
SleepingEntity said: He may not FULLY expresses his emotion but he DOES have emotion. Also when his friend died he did say his name. Inaho is not the type of character where he will cry when he is sad or say he is sad. He is the type that only do what must be done and just that. If he has to drink 2.999999 liters of water a day then he won't drink 3 liters of water. If crying and being sad would bring his friend back to life then he would do it. But don't forget that he was trying to save his friend and that only is what we called "emotion"I don't find someone who literally watched his friend die in front of his eyes without saying a word or making an expression understandable the slightest. I'm not sure how they're going to redeem this character, even with a backstory (though I doubt they're going to give him one). Slaine, while occasionally generic, is a much better example of emotional restraint. |
"A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
Siva said: SleepingEntity said: He may not FULLY expresses his emotion but he DOES have emotion. Also when his friend died he did say his name. Inaho is not the type of character where he will cry when he is sad or say he is sad. He is the type that only do what must be done and just that. If he has to drink 2.999999 liters of water a day then he won't drink 3 liters of water. If crying and being sad would bring his friend back to life then he would do it. But don't forget that he was trying to save his friend and that only is what we called "emotion"I don't find someone who literally watched his friend die in front of his eyes without saying a word or making an expression understandable the slightest. I'm not sure how they're going to redeem this character, even with a backstory (though I doubt they're going to give him one). Slaine, while occasionally generic, is a much better example of emotional restraint. I don't want him to cry or weep or sob or anything of the sort. No matter how "calm and logical" of a person you are, body language speaks volumes. I've been watching Inaho pretty closely, and I really have to conclude that this guy does not seem to experience emotions at all. That is not what someone suppressing emotions looks like at all. To take an example, look at Tsumugu from Nagi no Asukara. Like him or hate him, THAT is a how a "calm and logical" character acts. Despite his few words and stoic expression, it's still ridiculously obvious that he has his own thoughts on the matters surrounding him and that he actually experiences emotion. If you told me Inaho was an android, I would believe it 110%. When his friend died, his eyes didn't even open wider for a split second. He clearly did not experience shock at all. |
chickenonthepan said: lol it stated 12 episodeno, 19 episodes left.... Pentobarbidoll said: yeah i'll probably wait until the series end so i can rate it objectively Hitlariousnazi said: well i don't know what to feel about this i think i might give this 7 or 6 But there are still 7 episodes left. |
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Hitlariousnazi said: yeah i'll probably wait until the series end so i can rate it objectively Seriously? |
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Hitlariousnazi said: chickenonthepan said: lol it stated 12 episodeno, 19 episodes left.... Pentobarbidoll said: yeah i'll probably wait until the series end so i can rate it objectively But there are still 7 episodes left. MAL is not a reliable source lol. This is just the 1st part. the 2nd part will air in January 2015. You have to wait more for the series to end. |
chickenonthepan said: oh ok i didn't know it was split cour thanks for your infoHitlariousnazi said: lol it stated 12 episode yeah i'll probably wait until the series end so i can rate it objectively MAL is not a reliable source lol. This is just the 1st part. the 2nd part will air in January 2015. You have to wait more for the series to end. |
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BuBlicious said: And here I thought the mecha of the week formula died like 10 years ago, lol. Despite that, good episode, music still delivers, shame they did not keep the ED. Did not expect my character preferences to be opposing the majority, despite disliking Kirito (for his OP) I like Inaho, there's something wrong with this guy. Thank you for referencing Gundam Seed, had the same thoughts. Also, so far into the story, I'm betting on Inaho getting the princess, simply because of him being 'a bit too reckless' in previous episode and the fact, that princess did not show any romantic interest for Slaine, despite being together for 5 years. I guess those are the hints so far, a lot can change. The only princess is Gundam Seed is Cagalli. |
SleepingEntity said: I think you choose to put a limit on how minimum a person must express him emotions to be legally called "having emotion". On the other hand, what make you think that he is suppressing his emotions? Why does't someone has to colourfully express his emotion to be called "Normal"? I think this is just the way he is it is not like he is trying to hide his emotion or anything. In ep3 he expressed himself alot in words to Inko.Siva said: He may not FULLY expresses his emotion but he DOES have emotion. Also when his friend died he did say his name. Inaho is not the type of character where he will cry when he is sad or say he is sad. He is the type that only do what must be done and just that. If he has to drink 2.999999 liters of water a day then he won't drink 3 liters of water. If crying and being sad would bring his friend back to life then he would do it. But don't forget that he was trying to save his friend and that only is what we called "emotion" I don't want him to cry or weep or sob or anything of the sort. No matter how "calm and logical" of a person you are, body language speaks volumes. I've been watching Inaho pretty closely, and I really have to conclude that this guy does not seem to experience emotions at all. That is not what someone suppressing emotions looks like at all. To take an example, look at Tsumugu from Nagi no Asukara. Like him or hate him, THAT is a how a "calm and logical" character acts. Despite his few words and stoic expression, it's still ridiculously obvious that he has his own thoughts on the matters surrounding him and that he actually experiences emotion. If you told me Inaho was an android, I would believe it 110%. When his friend died, his eyes didn't even open wider for a split second. He clearly did not experience shock at all. |
"A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
SleepingEntity said: Oh wow, Inaho! That was some great tactical thinking with the reactive armour and whatnot... ...Think you could have fucking told the soldiers (who I'm pretty sure are supposed to have significantly more combat experience than you) and have them carry out your plan instead?! Fucking hell. Instead, just let a bunch of good men die (not to mention their equipment), while you get to be all hero-like and get them commendations. Good work you fucking idiot. Give Inaho a break, it's not his fault the writers decided they all needed to be killed off to show how smart and resourceful Inaho is. SleepingEntity said: And please, for the love of God, show me the Terran military being useful. This is EARTH we're talking about... ...Wait, are you telling me Inaho is not from earth? SleepingEntity said: ... but right now, I'd wholeheartedly believe it if you told me it was the entirety of the armed forces of Switzerland or some shit. Hey now, don't knock the Swiss. They guard the pope. They're also from earth. SleepingEntity said: Where the fuck are the skilled ace pilots? The tacticians? The fucking air force?! Dead, either from episode 2 or the war 15 years ago in which half the earth's population was wiped out. Why do you think they let Marito drink on the job? He's one of the only ones still alive who knows how to fight the Vers. Their situation is pretty shitty considering a drunkard with a bad case of PTSD is so valuable as to be irreplaceable. SleepingEntity said: I don't find someone who literally watched his friend die in front of his eyes without saying a word or making an expression understandable the slightest. ...except that's not what happened. He said the guy's name as he died, and he had the anime sweat drop. But lack of facial expressions aside, listen to the way he says his name. It's not his usual tone of voice. It's lower, quieter and shakier. Gotta pay attention when you watch. |
fstAug 3, 2014 11:52 PM
| 01:09 LOL 13:02 mata omae ka 13:50 nice. lad! 15:38 nittouryuu 21:05 ... 8/10 for this episode. |
| Isayama Hajime should be awarded The Manga with The Highest Inconsistencies of Characters' Appearances. He keeps performing multiple plastic surgeries on those Shingeki No Kyojin characters in a SINGLE chapter. Yes, I've read up to the latest chapter of Shingeki No Kyojin manga. Forced myself to read through the kidsketching chapters after the anime's ended. At least from now on, I only have to go through the hell once a month. Patiently awaiting SNK TV/movie/OVA anime-sequel. The 2015 SNK live-action movie would probably suck. |
pipeds said: Because science is for loser eggheads.Soldiers also graduated from highschool so why didn't those soldiers remembered those scientific stuff? pipeds said: And may I ask you, do you know what the soldiers are being taught in a military academy? They are taught how to 1. point 2. shoot 3. do as they're told |
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pipeds said: fst said: Give Inaho a break, it's not his fault the writers decided they all needed to be killed off to show how smart and resourceful Inaho is. ...Wait, are you telling me Inaho is not from earth? Hey now, don't knock the Swiss. They guard the pope. They're also from earth. Dead, either from episode 2 or the war 15 years ago in which half the earth's population was wiped out. Why do you think they let Marito drink on the job? He's one of the only ones still alive who knows how to fight the Vers. Their situation is pretty shitty considering a drunkard with a bad case of PTSD is so valuable as to be irreplaceable. ...except that's not what happened. He said the guy's name as he died, and he had the anime sweat drop. But lack of facial expressions aside, listen to the way he says his name. It's not his usual tone of voice. It's lower, quieter and shakier. Gotta pay attention when you watch. I'm not sure if you are trying to protect Inaho even though the guy gave some valid points regarding his/her arguments. Not particularly, right now he's more plot device than character. He'd better have some damn good backstory to explain why he's like that. |
pipeds said: fst said: Give Inaho a break, it's not his fault the writers decided they all needed to be killed off to show how smart and resourceful Inaho is. ...Wait, are you telling me Inaho is not from earth? Hey now, don't knock the Swiss. They guard the pope. They're also from earth. Dead, either from episode 2 or the war 15 years ago in which half the earth's population was wiped out. Why do you think they let Marito drink on the job? He's one of the only ones still alive who knows how to fight the Vers. Their situation is pretty shitty considering a drunkard with a bad case of PTSD is so valuable as to be irreplaceable. ...except that's not what happened. He said the guy's name as he died, and he had the anime sweat drop. But lack of facial expressions aside, listen to the way he says his name. It's not his usual tone of voice. It's lower, quieter and shakier. Gotta pay attention when you watch. I'm not sure if you are trying to protect Inaho even though the guy gave some valid points regarding his/her arguments. He's clearly being sarcastic. That was... quite a lot of sarcasm actually. |
| Hey now. It wasn't 100% sarcastic, give me some credit. |
pipeds said: DerpHole said: Because science is for loser eggheads. They are taught how to 1. point 2. shoot 3. do as they're told please... stop trolling No, that's the truth. That's the basic of soldier training. To be a soldier, you just have to know how to shoot and follow the order given by officers. Officers are who have to learn about commands, tactics, etc. It may be different if you are advanced soldier like marines. You will have better training but that's another story. Oh, and the main thing military academy teach soldiers is discipline. They don't learn advanced science classes. |
Just_ChickenAug 4, 2014 12:59 AM
fst said: Hey now. It wasn't 100% sarcastic, give me some credit. Right, my apologies. The part about the Swiss was serious. I love the Swiss too! Anyway, back on track. One key problem with Aldnoah's scenarios is that they have to show how powerful the Martians are, and yet the protagonist has to be able to overcome them. To that end, they use soldiers as fodder. And there lies the problem, making the trained military seem like a joke compared to the merry band of high school students and whatnot. My solution? Change the fodder from the military to CIVILIANS. You want to show how deplorable and ruthless the Martians are? Massacring civilians is a good way to start, and I can guarantee it will elicit a strong response with the viewers. This also solves several other problems. Firstly, when the protagonist steps in, it won't seem like he's somehow far more intelligent or better trained than a soldier, since he'll be fighting against an enemy that was previously killing unarmed (or poorly armed) civilians. Secondly, this lets us actually bring in the real military as a show of might, instead of generic targets being mowed down. It makes the armed forces, even if seemingly disperse and suffering from poor communication, an actual asset in the fights, compared to now, where they're sort of just in the way of the magical protagonist. |
SleepingEntityAug 4, 2014 1:02 AM
SleepingEntity said: fst said: Hey now. It wasn't 100% sarcastic, give me some credit. Right, my apologies. The part about the Swiss was serious. I love the Swiss too! Yea, you missed an excellent opportunity to make a french joke there. Cause, you know, french tanks have 6 gears: 1 forward 5 reverse. |
| Hot kiss. And Inaho seems like a sound strategist. He's like Lelouch. Good MC. But hey, I don't really understand the Emperor's mindset. He seems rational and a pacifist in one moment, and then does a 360 change. He seems to be ill, so I guess he's getting manipulated somehow? |
Genix said: Hot kiss. And Inaho seems like a sound strategist. He's like Lelouch. Good MC. But hey, I don't really understand the Emperor's mindset. He seems rational and a pacifist in one moment, and then does a 360 change. He seems to be ill, so I guess he's getting manipulated somehow? It was pretty apparent that he got manipulated there. The guy suspected someone knew something, so he told the Emperor an obvious lie of something, and then Slaine appears to "say this lie" that the guy told the Emperor—backing his "bullshit." So yeah, the Emperor being manipulated. |
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Tyrel said: Genix said: Hot kiss. And Inaho seems like a sound strategist. He's like Lelouch. Good MC. But hey, I don't really understand the Emperor's mindset. He seems rational and a pacifist in one moment, and then does a 360 change. He seems to be ill, so I guess he's getting manipulated somehow? It was pretty apparent that he got manipulated there. The guy suspected someone knew something, so he told the Emperor an obvious lie of something, and then Slaine appears to "say this lie" that the guy told the Emperor—backing his "bullshit." So yeah, the Emperor being manipulated. Well, I'd hope that the Emperor is wise enough to know when two people have conflicting stories, that whoever speaks to him first isn't going to automatically be the "right" one. We already know that the Emperor knows Slaine, and Slaine is close to the princess. For him to believe the Knights (and we know the Emperor was suspicious of the war from the get-go) over Slaine just because he spun some story about Slaine being a traitor would be idiotic. |
SleepingEntity said: Tyrel said: It was pretty apparent that he got manipulated there. The guy suspected someone knew something, so he told the Emperor an obvious lie of something, and then Slaine appears to "say this lie" that the guy told the Emperor—backing his "bullshit." So yeah, the Emperor being manipulated. Well, I'd hope that the Emperor is wise enough to know when two people have conflicting stories, that whoever speaks to him first isn't going to automatically be the "right" one. We already know that the Emperor knows Slaine, and Slaine is close to the princess. For him to believe the Knights (and we know the Emperor was suspicious of the war from the get-go) over Slaine just because he spun some story about Slaine being a traitor would be idiotic. Nah, if I was him, I would choose to trust one of my most "loyal" knight rather than a Terran brat. Even Slaine is close to the princess, there is no guarantee that he is that close to the emperor. Sazbaum is clearly closer to the emperor. Plus Saazbaum did outsmarted Slaine back then. |
chickenonthepan said: SleepingEntity said: Well, I'd hope that the Emperor is wise enough to know when two people have conflicting stories, that whoever speaks to him first isn't going to automatically be the "right" one. We already know that the Emperor knows Slaine, and Slaine is close to the princess. For him to believe the Knights (and we know the Emperor was suspicious of the war from the get-go) over Slaine just because he spun some story about Slaine being a traitor would be idiotic. Nah, if I was him, I would choose to trust one of my most "loyal" knight rather than a Terran brat. Even Slaine is close to the princess, there is no guarantee that he is that close to the emperor. Sazbaum is clearly closer to the emperor. Plus Saazbaum did outsmarted Slaine back then. On the contrary, the Emperor should surely be aware that a politically-minded man like Saazbaum would be capable of deception. And then you have Slaine, who is, well, a kid. I don't know about you, but I'd be far more suspicious of a military leader who had a part in starting a war without permission than a kid from Earth who knows how little everyone trusts him. |
SleepingEntity said: On the contrary, the Emperor should surely be aware that a politically-minded man like Saazbaum would be capable of deception. And then you have Slaine, who is, well, a kid. I don't know about you, but I'd be far more suspicious of a military leader who had a part in starting a war without permission than a kid from Earth who knows how little everyone trusts him. Just asking, you think who is more trustworthy when you know nothing about the plots: an adviser who has served you for a long time or a friend of your granddaughter? You have to put in mind that the emperor is blind from his point of view. not to mention again that Saazbaum is smart. You already know about their scheme, so you can say that but if you are in his point of view, you can see that his choice is reasonable. I don't say that his choice is wise. But he is too old already. |
| That kiss. The Princess sure is knowledgeable in that. I'm wondering if Inaho possess some kind of special ability or he's just that damn smart? And he doesn't really show much emotions at all. |
| To set itself apart from the rest of gundam-wannabes, a mecha show has to either: A ) Be completely unapologetically outrageous with its illogical twists(see: Geass, VVV) B ) Have something unique in either tone or storytelling that sets it apart from other works(See: Gargantia, 00) C ) Have a really well-put together and intense storyline full of thrilling action and complex characters. What does aldnoah have after five episodes so far? 1) The visuals are there 2) Music is brilliant 3) Character designs are great 4) Plot set-up and setting is brilliant. Yet nothing happens of value. No Urobutcher twist. Nothing that would set it apart from being yet another generic-summer-mecha-mecha-action-show-#5455. The first episode was great, the ending of the first episode was brilliant, yet after that.... The characters do not click, the lead "hero" is barely interesting(the only interest in him is finding out why he is such an emotionless sociopath) , the martians are the traditional mustache twirling villains and there's no real character development going on. Stuff happens around them, their world is falling apart, yet characters, including the princess, just...stay the same, as if being objects necessary to move plot around. I keep watching, hoping something makes it all click together, because don't get me wrong, it certainly has great production values. They kept hyping third episode as "something major" yet...nothing really happened. And then fourth and fifth followed the exactly same formula. Hopefully something great happens in next few episodes, because you can only retain viewers with visual eyecandy for so long. 3/5 |
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| Jeez the Emperor should have done a little investigating or something before passing judgement :/ Unless he just wants an excuse to go to war like the Orbital Knights did. I thought it was suspicious that Inaho was just able to enter that room and go straight to the Emperor, guess it was a setup. That flashback I found the OST especially unfitting this episode (that one track...) I'm finally getting more invested in this anime though, the other episodes didn't hold my interest as much so hopefully it'll keep improving from here on out |
ninjastarforcex said: now i realized urobutchi only do script for 1-3. thats why episode 4 and 5 feels lacking so much compared to 1-3. especially episode 1. same level with episode 1 of snk and sao (yes, sao its VERY good in episode 1) You should also expect a bloody ending, because Urobutcher will be back in 3 final episodes. |
| Inaho strikes again~! x3 Defeating yet again another Martian. :3 So, the first part...it looks like it was the past or something? owo Asseylum and Slaine?? They met 5 years ago~!? D: Meep! xD War stops....for a small brief moment, and now the Emperor wants to start the war.....again.....is it because he heard that his daughter was still alive? That jerk! D: It was cool how Inaho managed to sink that huge Martian Mecha....really awesome how he did that. xD Next....episode~! x3 Can't wait. :3 |
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| Well, it's kinda ironic indeed that Slaine's attempt (a Terran) to end the war backfired all because of that Saazbaum. I feel that the Emperor could have waited a lil' more to confirm things rather than just resume the war immediately. |
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| I'm finding it more and more hilarious at how people come in here with their "objective" comments and start blasting apart one or another of the characters, pretty much explicitly implying that they aren't really all that objective in the first place. First off, for the people who are taking Slaine's side, shouting out stuff like "All of Japan's viewers are rooting for him and the princess, they all think he's a better MC". Prove it please. Not that I don't believe what you're saying if its true, but given that we've only gone through 5 episodes and the story hasn't even developed much apart from them running away from Martians trying to wipe them off the face of the Earth, where's your source of information coming from? Seriously all I get from comments about Slain is that he's a "much more complex" character than Inaho, but the deal is, honestly, neither of them have really developed much as a character at all. All we know as of now is that Slain crash-landed in in the Vers Empire five years prior to the anime, whereby he was enslaved and treated as a dog by every Martian bar the Princess. Inaho on the other hand, I don't know shit about him except that he's the top of his class in military school, has a sister, an emotionless demeanor, ice in the veins and can think up strategies faster than a Super Computer. Truth be told, neither character is really that developed at the moment. What I do get is that Slaine is the rejected underdog, and hey it seems like everyone loves an underdog, which is why most people will forgive him his mistakes (seriously, didn't think things through when he decided to inform the Emperor, not the brightest light in the room here), praise his exploits (yeah he was badass shooting the annoying dude, but like I said he didn't think things through properly), and in general ship him with the Princess for some reason (Why? Just because she save him, and he likes her? Does that make him a better MC?) On the same pane, Inaho is being slanted for being emotionless, inexplicably OP and "boring". Go back and think about this. Since when has genius/tactical prowess equated being an interesting character in this world? Was every single genus in our world also some entertainer? Some were eccentric, yes, but a hella lot of them were also private people whom you would never even be able to talk to as well. Picking at Inaho for being a boring, albeit tactical genius is like picking at a comedian for not being able to play the guitar. The writers chose to write him in as a stoic, emotionless character, and some on the forums have already mentioned that it coincides with a certain type of genius characteristic (INTJ anyone?). Some people may find it amusing, others not so much. Thing is, the authors gave you guys two MCs to root for, it's your choice to pick whichever one you can relate to more. Underdogs will always pick the underdog Slaine, and smart people with personality eccentricities will go for the "relateable" Inaho. I do get the feeling that some haters are hating on Inaho unconsciously because they support Slaine though, and Inaho's proximity to the princess, along with his battle prowess will create the risk that the Princess will fall for Inaho (which would utterly destroy their ship). Seriously, why are people even mentioning NTR around here anyway? It's not like the Princess openly stated that she likes/loves/is in a relationship/wants to be with Slaine (regardless of how HE feels). I'd say she's pretty much free for all at the moment (but Noooo, she kissed him! Uh, dude, that was just an attempt to save him from drowning in his own fluids?). That said, the Princess is acting like a girl who was raised in a Green House, meaning that she has a set image of how the world works (i.e. Gramps calls an Armistance and everyone will just drop their weapons an follow suit). I think it's great character development here that she's with Inaho's group, so she can see first hand just how poorly the Martians treat the Humans (they're basically being slaughtered like livestock). I don't think she or anyone else in the show right now is even thinking about ships (bar Slaine and Slaine fanboys of course). All the cast on her side are just trying to survive some crazy Knights trying to massacre them. You would think romance would be the last thing on their, and the viewers, minds right now. Another point someone addressed before was about the Knight's mechs being weak to water. Did anyone consider that perhaps those mechs were designed and initially used in places where there was little to no water? Vers, Mars, the Moon, none of them seem like places abundant in water. Could it be like the "War of the Worlds" effect? The Martians never expected to be invading a planet that was so abundant in H2O? Makes sense, no? The other thing is that their belief that they are far superior to Earthlings, and thus they didn't think they would have to equip their mechs with countermeasures against a population which they were expecting to squash like bugs (since they did so before 15 years ago). As for this episode, I figure that the Gramps is probably a fair ruler, but has a council of crappy conniving Knights who are trying to influence him through deceit and lies to bring the hammer down on Earth. Basically the gist of things is that the Knights all want a piece of Earth and its resources to themselves, and its like a race to acquire the biggest piece of it, kinda like the colonization of America and Africa by the different European countries all those years ago. Everyone wants a piece of the pie I guess, and the Knights need the Emperor's approval to take it by force "legitimately". Thus far, I'm enjoying the show a lot, be it Slaine's side or Inaho's side. I don't really care much for romance in this show (who the hell needs romance in a mech show? Just show some badass battles and tactical political/military maneuvering/outmaneuvering, and I'll be super happy). For all I care, the princess can end up with the traitor girl Rayet, Inaho's not-so-secret admirer Inko, Inaho's sister Yuki or even Lieutenant I-can't-pilot-because-that-Dogtag-makes-my-hands-shake. Or maybe she'll do a Lelouche and sacrifice herself in the end. Bittersweet endings rock afterall. Can't wait to see how the Martians trap Slaine, and how Inaho outmaneuvers another Knight next! Bring on next episode! |
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| @micbri Truth be told, I was expecting them to go into the psychology of being on the losing end of a war. I guess I just gave it too much credit though. As I said back in the episode 2 discussion. It's just going to be 1 dimensional good guys fighting 1 dimension bad guys in giant robots. People die and no one cares. Which spits in the face of a very deep and important part of the theme of war. The show treats you like an idiot, then flashes hyped up music and fancy visuals in your face to make you forget about it. There is nothing smart about it. Oh sure, a character is smart, but that doesn't make the show smart. There is still plenty of time for Aldnoah to improve. Unfortunately things like "Not caring when people die" are already too late to improve because if suddenly people just randomly started caring then you would look back at these episodes and go, "Well what was up with those?". It would make no sense and throw the tone the series is going for all around willy nilly. I also don't think Inaho CAN develop. He can be fleshed out but the only real way for a stoic genius character to develop, is if he is broken down, becoming less than he once was, but that is the thing, he has witnessed his friend dying in front of him and that didn't even remotely change him. That is why back in episode 2 I stated it showed me exactly what this series is going to be. Maybe he'll change if all of his friends die in a battle or something, but honestly that is the only way I see him changing at all. TL;DR: I agree with you and while I don't think the show is irredeemable yet, I don't think it can improve certain aspects anymore despite it only being episode 5. (Or if it does manage to improve them, it will be awkward and inconsistent) |
KetenAug 4, 2014 11:38 AM
Keten said: @micbri Truth be told, I was expecting them to go into the psychology of being on the losing end of a war. I guess I just gave it too much credit though. As I said back in the episode 2 discussion. It's just going to be 1 dimensional good guys fighting 1 dimension bad guys in giant robots. People die and no one cares. Which spits in the face of a very deep and important part of the theme of war. The show treats you like an idiot, then flashes hyped up music and fancy visuals in your face to make you forget about it. There is nothing smart about it. Oh sure, a character is smart, but that doesn't make the show smart. There is still plenty of time for Aldnoah to improve. Unfortunately things like "Not caring when people die" are already too late to improve because if suddenly people just randomly started caring then you would look back at these episodes and go, "Well what was up with those?". It would make no sense and throw the tone the series is going for all around willy nilly. I also don't think Inaho CAN develop. He can be fleshed out but the only real way for a stoic genius character to develop, is if he is broken down, becoming less than he once was, but that is the thing, he has witnessed his friend dying in front of him and that didn't even remotely change him. That is why back in episode 2 I stated it showed me exactly what this series is going to be. Maybe he'll change if all of his friends die in a battle or something, but honestly that is the only way I see him changing at all. TL;DR: I agree with you and while I don't think the show is irredeemable yet, I don't think it can improve certain aspects anymore despite it only being episode 5. (Or if it does manage to improve them, it will be awkward and inconsistent) You bring out some good points, mate. How about if his sister dies? Maybe that'll break him, no? She's the only family he has left after all. Maybe he's a sis-con ;) |
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L-Ryoshi said: You bring out some good points, mate. How about if his sister dies? Maybe that'll break him, no? She's the only family he has left after all. Maybe he's a sis-con ;) Omg don't make jokes like that. xD Actually ya, it's possible his sister dying could be the thing that truly brings out his emotion and breaks him down. Though if she does die and it doesn't change him, I'll probably not have any hope for development anymore. Regardless ya, it's possible. They could do a Ying Yang thing where Slaine slowly builds up to be better while Inaho slowly degrades worse and worse. It's possible. |
Keten said: People die and no one cares. Which spits in the face of a very deep and important part of the theme of war. The show treats you like an idiot, then flashes hyped up music and fancy visuals in your face to make you forget about it. There is nothing smart about it. Oh sure, a character is smart, but that doesn't make the show smart. This is depressing part for me. THe whole monologue in the bar in the first episode made it seem like there will be some major message about senseless fights, bloodshed, horrors of war, etc. I expected good willed characters to be broken down in usual butcher fashion, showcasing on how war makes monsters out of people and how both sides can be just as awful when forced to, etc. I expected to see the conflict on how both mains struggle to be in their sides, I expected to see the princess reactions to the actual bullshit going on. None of that happened. We got none of that. So far we got a watered-down code geass. And even that one had more of a message than this. I also don't think Inaho CAN develop. He can be fleshed out but the only real way for a stoic genius character to develop, is if he is broken down, becoming less than he once was, but that is the thing, he has witnessed his friend dying in front of him and that didn't even remotely change him. That is why back in episode 2 I stated it showed me exactly what this series is going to be. Maybe he'll change if all of his friends die in a battle or something, but honestly that is the only way I see him changing at all. Frankly I hope for SOME sort of plot twist with Inaho, explaining his abnormal reactions - something in his past where he maybe was tampered with biologically or altered in some way or hell, being a tube baby or an alien, whatever. Or just go all the way to extreme and have him start sacrificing people he should care about with no remorse(like if there is some situation where he has to chose his objective or his sister and he just randomly shoots her dead). Because if show expects me to believe that the dude just HAPPENED to be this way because of his logical mind, NOPE. Its the only part that makes me hold on. |
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| Inaho FTW! |
Keten said: L-Ryoshi said: You bring out some good points, mate. How about if his sister dies? Maybe that'll break him, no? She's the only family he has left after all. Maybe he's a sis-con ;) Omg don't make jokes like that. xD Actually ya, it's possible his sister dying could be the thing that truly brings out his emotion and breaks him down. Though if she does die and it doesn't change him, I'll probably not have any hope for development anymore. Regardless ya, it's possible. They could do a Ying Yang thing where Slaine slowly builds up to be better while Inaho slowly degrades worse and worse. It's possible. Please not, his sister is the only thing that makes Inaho's character somewhat less boring (not interesting, just less boring). |
| We need some character development in this show, if Inaho and that other guy ( forgot his name) that fought the Martians get some back story, the series will really improve |
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