| This is hilarious! the scores keep changing every few hours! I really wonder why the mods haven't taken any sort of action, i mean i know it's a hard thing to stop but it's not like it's something they can miss easily. is there honestly nothing they can do? other then that i've taken the wait and see approach as of now. I don't care what gets hit anymore since it's fair game apparently, and any large change will be fixed right away by Xinil. So ya, until a solution appears all there is too do is enjoy the show. |
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This is hilarious! the scores keep changing every few hours! At first i thought i am just imagining this, but then i realised you guys do get an erection from merely looking at ratings. |
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| I don't see how this can be fixed at all really. There are plenty of obvious sockpuppet accounts made for the sole reason of trolling the ratings, but there are plenty of others that are clearly trolling a couple of series, but otherwise seem to be ordinary users, so one can't very well ban them. Still, the shoddy ones like TrollingMAL and TTGLFTW should be done away with. |
| Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is 9.0 first one again... This is madness! |
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Baman said: I don't see how this can be fixed at all really. There are plenty of obvious sockpuppet accounts made for the sole reason of trolling the ratings, but there are plenty of others that are clearly trolling a couple of series, but otherwise seem to be ordinary users, so one can't very well ban them. Still, the shoddy ones like TrollingMAL and TTGLFTW should be done away with. i heard a solution in another thread. it was to format MAL so that the lists of users who are inactive for moths on end (4-6 maybe) will be automatically uncounted, but once they log back in they will be counted again. It offers no real penalties to real users and gets rid of the majority of clones because the creators of said accounts will likely not log into each one every few months just to activate them. Most of them probably don't remember or wont keep track of the passwords and user names for the accounts they create. As a mod do you see any problems with this solution? just curious. But as for the real users trolling, i see why there is not much to do about them seeing how just rating something low isn't against the rules. Peralisc said: This is hilarious! the scores keep changing every few hours! troll troll troll troll little kids troll troll troll TTGL sux troll my list is bullshit troll troll. I' m sorry, i don't speak troll. Please come back when you learn English. |
KetuekigamiMay 5, 2009 3:24 PM
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Ketuekigami said: That would erase the scores of all past real accounts as well. There are thousands of accounts that were last accessed in 2007 or something which weren't trolls and should have their score taken into account.i heard a solution in another thread. it was to format MAL so that the lists of users who are inactive for moths on end (4-6 maybe) will be automatically uncounted, but once they log back in they will be counted again. It offers no real penalties to real users and gets rid of the majority of clones because the creators of said accounts will likely not log into each one every few months just to activate them. Most of them probably don't remember or wont keep track of the passwords and user names for the accounts they create. |
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5layer said: Why? If you've been away from MAL for that long, your probably don't care much about the rankings on MAL.That would erase the scores of all past real accounts as well. There are thousands of accounts that were last accessed in 2007 or something which weren't trolls and should have their score taken into account. Besides, a requirement like "logging in once every six months" is pretty minimal. |
naikou said: Yeah but that would still lower the sample size and make the ratings less accurate. Also, I'm sure someone with troll accounts wouldn't mind logging into them once every 6 months.5layer said: Why? If you've been away from MAL for that long, your probably don't care much about the rankings on MAL.That would erase the scores of all past real accounts as well. There are thousands of accounts that were last accessed in 2007 or something which weren't trolls and should have their score taken into account. Besides, a requirement like "logging in once every six months" is pretty minimal. |
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5layer said: How would it be less accurate? It would be more accurate to MAL's active user base. And it's quite arguable that only active members should have the right to vote.Yeah but that would still lower the sample size and make the ratings less accurate. Also, I'm sure someone with troll accounts wouldn't mind logging into them once every 6 months. And someone with 50 troll accounts is going to have to remember 50 passwords, and go through all the trouble of logging into all 50 accounts every six months. That's enough of a pain that plenty of trolls won't bother. It would be just as easy to make new accounts. |
| Can't they have the same password?... but 50 different names is still a pain. |
| They can have the same password, but i would dare say they would have to name their accounts something like Random1,random2,random3 etc. to be able to remember, now im sure the MAL admins would notice random1-200 user accounts. |
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naikou said: Statistics says otherwise. Larger sample size is more accurate. Also like mentioned in the previous posts, they can all have the same passwords. 50 different usernames are pretty easy too. Just keep them in notepad or something then remembering them isn't necessary. Logging in with 50 accounts every 6 months isn't hard. It'll only take about 20 minutes.5layer said: How would it be less accurate? It would be more accurate to MAL's active user base. And it's quite arguable that only active members should have the right to vote.Yeah but that would still lower the sample size and make the ratings less accurate. Also, I'm sure someone with troll accounts wouldn't mind logging into them once every 6 months. And someone with 50 troll accounts is going to have to remember 50 passwords, and go through all the trouble of logging into all 50 accounts every six months. That's enough of a pain that plenty of trolls won't bother. It would be just as easy to make new accounts. |
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5layer said: Alright. Let's have everyone on earth elect the next president of the united states. That way, we'll have the largest sample size possible. Make sense?Statistics says otherwise. Larger sample size is more accurate. Also like mentioned in the previous posts, they can all have the same passwords. 50 different usernames are pretty easy too. Just keep them in notepad or something then remembering them isn't necessary. Logging in with 50 accounts every 6 months isn't hard. It'll only take about 20 minutes. And yes, logging in to 50 accounts would be sufficiently annoying to deter trolls. I think you overestimate the patience and intelligence levels of trolls. Most of them will not be keeping lists. |
naikou said: 5layer said: Why? If you've been away from MAL for that long, your probably don't care much about the rankings on MAL.That would erase the scores of all past real accounts as well. There are thousands of accounts that were last accessed in 2007 or something which weren't trolls and should have their score taken into account. Besides, a requirement like "logging in once every six months" is pretty minimal. It doesn't really matter whether non-troll inactive people care or not. If we disable votes of those users, we would be drastically changing the scores of older shows, which aren't as popular now. I bet LotGH have been rated more by inactive real accounts than trolls. |
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naikou said: That would be nice. But the sample size is already large enough anyway so theres no point. For MAL scoring, it would make a much greater difference.Alright. Let's have everyone on earth elect the next president of the united states. That way, we'll have the largest sample size possible. Make sense? |
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| So let me get this straight. The arguments against that strategy are: 1. People who no longer visit MAL might have their scores removed. 2. It isn't perfect because some trolls might be batshit insane about keeping track of every single one of their accounts. Yeah, that makes sense. We wouldn't want to upset people who aren't here. And clearly we should never adopt any strategy that isn't absolutely perfect. xyakaix said: It doesn't really matter whether non-troll inactive people care or not. If we disable votes of those users, we would be drastically changing the scores of older shows, which aren't as popular now. I bet LotGH have been rated more by inactive real accounts than trolls. Who cares? Let them change. Why should people who don't visit MAL decide MAL's scores? Edit: 5layer said: naikou said: That would be nice. But the sample size is already large enough anyway so theres no point. For MAL scoring, it would make a much greater difference.Alright. Let's have everyone on earth elect the next president of the united states. That way, we'll have the largest sample size possible. Make sense? Clearly you missed the point of that metaphor, so I'll explain it to you. Does it make sense for Chinese citizens to elect the president of the united states? No, it does not, because China will be acting in China's interest, and not in the interest of the people who the president of the united states has power over. It doesn't make sense to give power to vote to people who are not members of the community being voted for. Same goes for MAL, of course. And people who haven't been here for a year aren't really members of the community anymore. |
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naikou said: Does it make sense for Chinese citizens to elect the president of the united states? No, it does not, because China will be acting in China's interest, and not in the interest of the people who the president of the united states has power over. It doesn't make sense to give power to vote to people who are not members of the community being voted for. Same goes for MAL, of course. And people who haven't been here for a year aren't really members of the community anymore. Well, apart from that the President of the United States pretty much does, you know, rule Earth. But that does not of course affect the validity of the argument in any way. I like that idea, but I do not see it being implemented any time soon, or ever, I'm afraid. It's a lot of programming just to touch a minor problem, considering that the top anime lists are trivia anyway. |
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| Indeed. It's just a hypothetical argument. I don't think Xinil cares enough about the top anime list to implement any changes. It would be a reasonable idea if he ever had the urge to make it better, though. |
| The problem with that is they would just keep on creating accounts to counteract any ones that become invalid. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: I like that idea, but I do not see it being implemented any time soon, or ever, I'm afraid. It's a lot of programming just to touch a minor problem, considering that the top anime lists are trivia anyway. I'm actually not sure it's that minor of a problem. I don't know much about programming, but if this continues won't all the accounts create stress on the system? I know it's not that much right now compared to the overall population, but new accounts seem to be created every day with no sign of stopping. At that point it's not only about the top list, it's about MAL in general. But that's just speculation. |
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| I don't think it's a bad idea. It's not perfect in any sense, but it does eliminate all but the "hardcore" trolls. The only deterrent would be the backlash it has on legitimate users, but those who actually care should log on at least every 6 months or so. |
| As of now LOGH is number 1. Knk is number 3.... One day i'm watch LOGH..but man thats over 100 epi of old ass animation |
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Roxkis said: One day i'm watch LOGH..but man thats over 100 epi of COMPLETE FUCKING AWESOMENESS AND THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD fixed that for you Ketuekigami said: I'm actually not sure it's that minor of a problem. I don't know much about programming, but if this continues won't all the accounts create stress on the system? I know it's not that much right now compared to the overall population, but new accounts seem to be created every day with no sign of stopping. At that point it's not only about the top list, it's about MAL in general. I am quite sure that the six months rule will create more troll accounts. It's just that the effect they'll have will not be long-lasting (thus more trolls). |
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| I have an idea. Why not deactivate the rating "1" secretly so it wont affect the score, but still let it be visible, so noone will know. |
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McMurdo said: I have an idea. Why not deactivate the rating "1" secretly so it wont affect the score, but still let it be visible, so noone will know. That would give shows such as Mars of Destruction, Apocalypse Zero and Ergo Proxy far too high scores I am afraid. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: McMurdo said: I have an idea. Why not deactivate the rating "1" secretly so it wont affect the score, but still let it be visible, so noone will know. That would give shows such as Mars of Destruction, Apocalypse Zero and Ergo Proxy far too high scores I am afraid. Well I have to personally say that 1) I lol'd at that idea and 2) I actually gave Mars of Destruction a 2 because I thought it was amusing to watch. |
| Or they could just develop a system where the closer the anime is to the top place, the larger portion of 1s and possibly 2s are ignored. Although the difference in the portion ignored between 1st place and 2nd place would be so small that it wouldn't make the number 1 anime have some kind of cheating dominance over the rest. |
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5layer said: Or they could just develop a system where the closer the anime is to the top place, the larger portion of 1s and possibly 2s are ignored. Although the difference in the portion ignored between 1st place and 2nd place would be so small that it wouldn't make the number 1 anime have some kind of cheating dominance over the rest. Good in theory. Impossible to implement. Any kind of "equation" to calculate that would have, as you said, an inherent "advantage" system going on. |
Frenz said: They can have the same password, but i would dare say they would have to name their accounts something like Random1,random2,random3 etc. to be able to remember, now im sure the MAL admins would notice random1-200 user accounts. NO! This thread is so full of dumbass opinions. Do you guys seriously have nothing better to do? |
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Peralisc said: NO! This thread is so full of dumbass opinions. Do you guys seriously have nothing better to do? lol, how meta |
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Peralisc said: I like how you keep coming back to this thread, even though you think it's a waste of time.This thread is so full of dumbass opinions. Do you guys seriously have nothing better to do? |
| He probably only says that because he has troll accounts. |
Peralisc said: NO! This thread is so full of dumbass opinions. Do you guys seriously have nothing better to do? The irony's killing me |
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Peralisc said: Frenz said: They can have the same password, but i would dare say they would have to name their accounts something like Random1,random2,random3 etc. to be able to remember, now im sure the MAL admins would notice random1-200 user accounts. NO! This thread is so full of dumbass opinions. Do you guys seriously have nothing better to do? Randomly found this. Note the username. |
| Oh wow. Thats amazing. |
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5layer said: Oh wow. Thats amazing. Peralisc ftw, lulzzzzzzzzzz XDXD |
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| Oh lol, this thread never dissapoints when you're in need of some lulz. |
Amaya-no-Hime said: Randomly found this. Note the username. wow...checkmate, epic thread is epic |
| Oh, wow, I come in to check the topic's discussion and I find this. Amaya-no-Hime said: It just made my night. Major lulz. This thread should be placed into some Hall Of Fame or anything like that. |
MassakiMay 13, 2009 7:44 PM
| holy shit. never again will i see something as good. |
| Peralisc - NOT a Rocket scintist, obviously. |
| lol i forgot wat to type.. |
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| its like I don't have to go to /b/ anymore. |
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| The simplest solutions are to just make an alternate list based on a review system (with a word limit of maybe 800 words), so that the trolls actually have to give a valid reason to support their extreme scoring, good or bad. The second one would be to ditch this list entirely. |
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jahrakal2009 said: There are soooooo many anime out there that haven't had a single review yet even though they may be considered good. That would make them unscored which is a big NO.The simplest solutions are to just make an alternate list based on a review system (with a word limit of maybe 800 words), so that the trolls actually have to give a valid reason to support their extreme scoring, good or bad. The second one would be to ditch this list entirely. |
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jahrakal2009 said: The simplest solutions are to just make an alternate list based on a review system (with a word limit of maybe 800 words), so that the trolls actually have to give a valid reason to support their extreme scoring, good or bad. The second one would be to ditch this list entirely. And who would be checking the validity of those reviews? The mods aren't robots, they have lives you know. And you would expect people to write reviews for this list? You do realize that out of the tens of thousands of real users here only a handful would actually do that for every anime they watch. We would end up with the top list controlled by less then 1% of the population and having more then 90% of all anime excluded. Not the best idea. And ditching the list would be just giving up. |
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