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Mar 6, 2014 4:52 PM
#951
SetsukoHara said: SolBlade said: I had a feeling you wouldn't write that much... I'm surprised at the amount of criticism too, especially for something like FMA Brotherhood. Most of it are nitpicks from a butthurt fan who prefer the 2003 version of the anime though. Pretty much. 2003 fans tend to nitpick on Brotherhood because of it's popularity though I will admit that some of the points he mentioned were legit (though there are some that can be countered). |
Mar 6, 2014 6:45 PM
#952
SetsukoHara said: SolBlade said: I had a feeling you wouldn't write that much... I'm surprised at the amount of criticism too, especially for something like FMA Brotherhood. Most of it are nitpicks from a butthurt fan who prefer the 2003 version of the anime though. the 2003 version gets blasted for having plot-holes and hold Brotherhood as being super tightly written. A lot of his arguments are sensible enough though some are flimsy (like the one regarding Roy's eyes) |
Mar 7, 2014 5:54 AM
#953
ssjokg said: WayneCon said: Mirai Nikki. Even though I like it .. they just suddenly when dragon ball Z and just had powers that were never explained. and probably the " berserk " modes in all of the evangelion rebuild movies because going berserk mode was something that was really rare and was really bad but in the rebuild movies it was glorified and was " sooooo cool ". Didnt the first two movies have only 2 Berserk modes, at least one less than the original?So how was it more rare in the original? And only one of them was "so coool" because this time it wasnt mommy to the rescue OMG your're actually right, rewatched them last night. Okay I will give you that but it's just stupid the fuckin lion-mode Asuka was in in the 3rd one.. especially the 3rd movie was so terrible... |
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Mar 7, 2014 5:57 AM
#954
WayneCon said: ssjokg said: WayneCon said: Mirai Nikki. Even though I like it .. they just suddenly when dragon ball Z and just had powers that were never explained. and probably the " berserk " modes in all of the evangelion rebuild movies because going berserk mode was something that was really rare and was really bad but in the rebuild movies it was glorified and was " sooooo cool ". Didnt the first two movies have only 2 Berserk modes, at least one less than the original?So how was it more rare in the original? And only one of them was "so coool" because this time it wasnt mommy to the rescue OMG your actually right, rewatched them last night. Okay I will give you that but it's just stupid the fuckin lion-mode Asuka was in in the 3rd one.. especially the 3rd movie was so terrible... I agree with that. |
Mar 7, 2014 9:26 AM
#955
As much as I like it... the ending of the original FMA anime did feel like a rushed way to finish the story when you analize it. So Al uses the entire Philosopher's Stone, which revives Ed with his arm and leg, but it costs him his life. Then Ed attempts normal alchemy which brings back Al with his entire body? Sorry, Full Metal Alchemist, I love you to death, but that's bullshit. |
Mar 7, 2014 10:09 AM
#956
At the beginning of Gantz, the main character and his friend can't find a way to jump onto 3 foot surface at a train station, and so they can't get off the track. Lol plotholes |
Mar 7, 2014 2:35 PM
#957
The whole series of Pupa. |
Mar 7, 2014 2:47 PM
#958
Naruto, when pretty much almost everyone dies at the hands of Pain who then goes "lol Naruto proved me wrong I bring everyone back almost everyone cause I'm jesus" |
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Mar 7, 2014 2:50 PM
#959
I knew some deus ex machina shit was going to happen because there's no way Kishi would let kakashi die |
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Mar 7, 2014 3:13 PM
#960
True just like I bet some of the new Deaths will come back somehow, then again maybe not. Other than that, hmm, I'll say Ash's "death" in the first pokemon movie, pretty much all of valverape that wasn't insane. |
Mar 10, 2014 12:42 AM
#961
Part bullshit moment and part missed chance. Naruto Shippuden Ok so the big war was about to start up. All 5 large countries are getting together. But they have beef, to be expected and they've had many wars over the years. From the beginning of the anime we've been reminded of this, with the Cloud trying to steal the Byakugan, Konoha invasion, other stuff like that. And so they all get together, all the soldiers who still have their hate. They bicker a little bit, Gaara makes a speech where all the people listening don't know the context, all of a sudden everyone is past that and starts apologizing. From what I remember, the beef of all these countries is never brought up again. Even the daimyos together are having fun, no apparent grudges. What that did was make it so the focus was on the main characters and their drama instead of the main characters and their drama and the countries hate. But of course this arc is still ongoing so my opinion may change That's the bullshit part now here's how it could have been made better. Getting a large group(what over 100,000 people?) together that have longstanding hate is not a good idea. And the fact that they brought them together without any prep before was stupid. And the fact that Obito didn't take advantage of it was stupid. All he had to do was use a white zetsu clone to blend in, yell something, start some rumors, and or throw a kunai, and he could have started a chain reaction that could reduce the numbers. Maybe even make the clone a bomber to do some more damage. He would have taken out some of their force, brought down their morale and trust, and showed that their hate is still there. Making that a bigger part of the war, it's not so black and white, everyone is not exactly on the same side. Instead it kinda pushes it back and focuses on the main characters and main villains. Seeing them deal with Madara and Obito while also dealing with their own hate would have been way more interesting to watch. I feel like even if they win the war, the hate won't really be gone, they never dealt with it, just pushed it aside for a common enemy. I thought Naruto's job was to stop the hate, change the shinobi world, etc. A filler was able to do a better job(yeah one from the sucky boat arc where there were the rebels) but instead they just had him join the war all nicely. |
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Mar 10, 2014 8:52 AM
#962
In One Piece Shanks losing his arm Pell surviving a bomb in blank range Crocodile losing to Luffy for no good reason Devil fruit user floating and swimming Characters never dying.... |
Mar 10, 2014 8:56 AM
#963
luteum said: You might want to specify whether you see them as plot holes or bullshit moments.In One Piece Shanks losing his arm Pell surviving a bomb in blank range Crocodile losing to Luffy for no good reason Devil fruit user floating and swimming Characters never dying.... |
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Mar 10, 2014 9:03 AM
#965
luteum said: In One Piece Shanks losing his arm Pell surviving a bomb in blank range Crocodile losing to Luffy for no good reason Devil fruit user floating and swimming Characters never dying.... There are many more characters who died and came back in a BS way, but it seems Pell's overshadows them all, to the series' favor. |
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Mar 10, 2014 10:07 AM
#966
luteum said: Crocodile losing to Luffy for no good reason Luffy lost to him twice Luffy adapted every confrontation,Croc kept underestimating him until it was too late Croc mostly fought hand-to-hand in their last confrontation when that's Luffy's specialty and even then he still almost died via the poison and earlier wounds |
Mar 10, 2014 10:10 AM
#967
Kaimon237 said: luteum said: Crocodile losing to Luffy for no good reason Luffy lost to him twice Luffy adapted every confrontation,Croc kept underestimating him until it was too late Croc mostly fought hand-to-hand in their last confrontation when that's Luffy's specialty and even then he still almost died via the poison and earlier wounds It's funny how Croc preemptively sucked out the water, but forgot to do the same with blood, not that it makes sense in the first place. |
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Mar 10, 2014 10:44 AM
#968
judals said: Kaimon237 said: luteum said: Crocodile losing to Luffy for no good reason Luffy lost to him twice Luffy adapted every confrontation,Croc kept underestimating him until it was too late Croc mostly fought hand-to-hand in their last confrontation when that's Luffy's specialty and even then he still almost died via the poison and earlier wounds It's funny how Croc preemptively sucked out the water, but forgot to do the same with blood, not that it makes sense in the first place. He can only do that when he grabbed someone or something, he wasn't able to do that in the last fight. |
Mar 10, 2014 11:04 AM
#969
luteum said: In One Piece Shanks losing his arm Pell surviving a bomb in blank range Crocodile losing to Luffy for no good reason Devil fruit user floating and swimming Characters never dying.... Shanks wasnt always so almighty.And we are talking about a scene were every moment mattered. THat Shanks can split the sky with his haki now doesnt mean he could do it back then. Croc vs Luffy already explained. Wikia:Even though a Devil Fruit user cannot swim or float in the sea, on Page 17 of Chapter 175, Mr. 3 is seen floating on water. Oda explained in a SBS that Mr. 3 landed on a plank of "super-floating wood", which allowed him to stay afloat. In the anime version of this scene, a table is clearly floating beneath him to hold him up. It was revealed in another SBS that the wood was in fact Kuuigosu. Characters did die for good and not in a flashback. |
Mar 10, 2014 11:22 AM
#970
ssjokg said: Shanks wasnt always so almighty.And we are talking about a scene were every moment mattered. THat Shanks can split the sky with his haki now doesnt mean he could do it back then. It can also be said that he chose to sacrifice it. |
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Mar 10, 2014 11:43 AM
#971
ssjokg said: Shanks wasnt always so almighty.And we are talking about a scene were every moment mattered. THat Shanks can split the sky with his haki now doesnt mean he could do it back then. Until Oda tried to force haki into the past, then some inconsistencies surfaced. Including this one. Croc vs Luffy already explained. Wikia:Even though a Devil Fruit user cannot swim or float in the sea, on Page 17 of Chapter 175, Mr. 3 is seen floating on water. Oda explained in a SBS that Mr. 3 landed on a plank of "super-floating wood", which allowed him to stay afloat. In the anime version of this scene, a table is clearly floating beneath him to hold him up. It was revealed in another SBS that the wood was in fact Kuuigosu. Was there a wood in the manga? If not, it's a plot hole. Of course the author would make something up to save face. And seriously if he were not joking, then this is just sad. SetsukoHara said: He can only do that when he grabbed someone or something, he wasn't able to do that in the last fight. more like lack of trying. |
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Mar 10, 2014 11:52 AM
#972
@judals: If you're talking about the incident with Mr. 3, then yes, there was a plank of wood underneath (he was on his back) him which kept him afloat underwater. It was there and Oda just explained it again in the SBS since someone asked for clarification. judals said: ssjokg said: Shanks wasnt always so almighty.And we are talking about a scene were every moment mattered. THat Shanks can split the sky with his haki now doesnt mean he could do it back then. Until Oda tried to force haki into the past, then some inconsistencies surfaced. Including this one. Didn't that happen 7-8 years before the start of the story when Luffy was young? If so, then Shanks might've known Conquerer's Haki (might've been done by instinct since it's genetic) and didn't learn about the other forms till later. 7 or 8 years is a lot of time, especially since Luffy mastered Haki in 2 years. |
Mar 10, 2014 11:52 AM
#973
judals said: Croc vs Luffy already explained. Wikia:Even though a Devil Fruit user cannot swim or float in the sea, on Page 17 of Chapter 175, Mr. 3 is seen floating on water. Oda explained in a SBS that Mr. 3 landed on a plank of "super-floating wood", which allowed him to stay afloat. In the anime version of this scene, a table is clearly floating beneath him to hold him up. It was revealed in another SBS that the wood was in fact Kuuigosu. Was there a wood in the manga? If not, it's a plot hole. Of course the author would make something up to save face. And seriously if he were not joking, then this is just sad. Really sad indeed. Humans make mistakes all the time, Oda being human, that's sad. Why isn't he Goda already? |
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Mar 10, 2014 12:03 PM
#974
SolBlade said: @judals: If you're talking about the incident with Mr. 3, then yes, there was a plank of wood underneath (he was on his back) him which kept him afloat underwater. It was there and Oda just explained it again in the SBS since someone asked for clarification. judals said: ssjokg said: Shanks wasnt always so almighty.And we are talking about a scene were every moment mattered. THat Shanks can split the sky with his haki now doesnt mean he could do it back then. Until Oda tried to force haki into the past, then some inconsistencies surfaced. Including this one. Didn't that happen 7-8 years before the start of the story when Luffy was young? If so, then Shanks might've known Conquerer's Haki (might've been done by instinct since it's genetic) and didn't learn about the other forms till later. 7 or 8 years is a lot of time, especially since Luffy mastered Haki in 2 years. Proof from the original chapter of the manga? Like I said, character making up things later on is just damage control. Originally, it was just a 'death glare', but when then Oda inserted Haki and it seemed he was tring to make it as if it was there all along. Still doesn't explain why he lost an arm. It seemed the most dangerous part of the whole thing was the attack, and if it were just by instinct, then staring there for a whole minute after doesn't make much sense. |
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Mar 10, 2014 12:07 PM
#975
judals said: ssjokg said: Shanks wasnt always so almighty.And we are talking about a scene were every moment mattered. THat Shanks can split the sky with his haki now doesnt mean he could do it back then. Until Oda tried to force haki into the past, then some inconsistencies surfaced. Including this one. Croc vs Luffy already explained. Wikia:Even though a Devil Fruit user cannot swim or float in the sea, on Page 17 of Chapter 175, Mr. 3 is seen floating on water. Oda explained in a SBS that Mr. 3 landed on a plank of "super-floating wood", which allowed him to stay afloat. In the anime version of this scene, a table is clearly floating beneath him to hold him up. It was revealed in another SBS that the wood was in fact Kuuigosu. Was there a wood in the manga? If not, it's a plot hole. Of course the author would make something up to save face. And seriously if he were not joking, then this is just sad. SetsukoHara said: He can only do that when he grabbed someone or something, he wasn't able to do that in the last fight. more like lack of trying. Assuming that Shanks didnt reach Luffy without using Haki.Also knowing Haki=/=almighty that can stop Sea Kings just before they bit something.The Sea King didnt even notice what happened till after he bit him.Who is to say that using Haki from a distance would actually stop the Sea King in time?What are the other inconsistencies? People forgetting to draw something=plothole....anything else?Seriously this is the only reason to use something not introduced yet to explain something. More like you try too much. judals said: That people try to use tvtropes for criticism.Yes Shanks should have stopped during the emotional scene and talk about Haki.Then you would be bitching about ruining the scene.SolBlade said: @judals: If you're talking about the incident with Mr. 3, then yes, there was a plank of wood underneath (he was on his back) him which kept him afloat underwater. It was there and Oda just explained it again in the SBS since someone asked for clarification. judals said: ssjokg said: Shanks wasnt always so almighty.And we are talking about a scene were every moment mattered. THat Shanks can split the sky with his haki now doesnt mean he could do it back then. Until Oda tried to force haki into the past, then some inconsistencies surfaced. Including this one. Didn't that happen 7-8 years before the start of the story when Luffy was young? If so, then Shanks might've known Conquerer's Haki (might've been done by instinct since it's genetic) and didn't learn about the other forms till later. 7 or 8 years is a lot of time, especially since Luffy mastered Haki in 2 years. Proof from the original chapter of the manga? Like I said, character making up things later on is just damage control. Originally, it was just a 'death glare', but when then Oda inserted Haki and it seemed he was tring to make it as if it was there all along. Still doesn't explain why he lost an arm. It seemed the most dangerous part of the whole thing was the attack, and if it were just by instinct, then staring there for a whole minute after doesn't make much sense. |
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Mar 10, 2014 12:18 PM
#976
ssjokg said: Also knowing Haki=/=almighty that can stop Sea Kings just before they bit something.The Sea King didnt even notice what happened till after he bit him.Who is to say that using Haki from a distance would actually stop the Sea King in time?What are the other inconsistencies? Hmm? How did he lose the arm? Let me explain, he was, as you suggested, not nearly as strong as before, and his 'guts' or death glare or whatever is what drove the animal away. After 10 years, Oda added something to the story, and tried to force it into that scene; therefore creating the inconsistency. It wasn't always so, is what I mean. People forgetting to draw something=plothole....anything else?Seriously this is the only reason to use something not introduced yet to explain something. A picture is a thousand words. In this case, it says Mr.3 can defy the DF rules. With means a plot hole. That people try to use tvtropes for criticism.Yes Shanks should have stopped during the emotional scene and talk about Haki. You're the one who suggested that Haki is no indicator of being the top tier he is now. So "haki " -if we assume it was there- was purely on instinct and emotion, doesn't make sense after being attacked, dismembered, and having the kid endangered by the attack anyway that he'd say "I'm angry with you, fish" |
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Mar 10, 2014 12:18 PM
#977
ToG25thBaam said: ssjokg said: Shanks wasnt always so almighty.And we are talking about a scene were every moment mattered. THat Shanks can split the sky with his haki now doesnt mean he could do it back then. It can also be said that he chose to sacrifice it. Really I thought this was very obvious. One Piece was one of the very first anime I watched about a year and a half ago, and I already recognized that trope from tons of other media. It really boggled me when people were confused about that. |
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Mar 10, 2014 12:20 PM
#978
judals said: ssjokg said: Also knowing Haki=/=almighty that can stop Sea Kings just before they bit something.The Sea King didnt even notice what happened till after he bit him.Who is to say that using Haki from a distance would actually stop the Sea King in time?What are the other inconsistencies? Hmm? How did he lose the arm? Let me explain, he was, as you suggested, not nearly as strong as before, and his 'guts' or death glare or whatever is what drove the animal away. After 10 years, Oda added something to the story, and tried to force it into that scene; therefore creating the inconsistency. It wasn't always so, is what I mean. People forgetting to draw something=plothole....anything else?Seriously this is the only reason to use something not introduced yet to explain something. A picture is a thousand words. In this case, it says Mr.3 can defy the DF rules. With means a plot hole. That people try to use tvtropes for criticism.Yes Shanks should have stopped during the emotional scene and talk about Haki. You're the one who suggested that Haki is no indicator of being the top tier he is now. So "haki " -if we assume it was there- was purely on instinct and emotion, doesn't make sense after being attacked, dismembered, and having the kid endangered by the attack anyway that he'd say "I'm angry with you, fish" Or Shanks purposely sacrificed his arm, silly! But seriously, I can't really be the only one that thought that was obvious. |
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Mar 10, 2014 12:27 PM
#979
judals said: ssjokg said: Also knowing Haki=/=almighty that can stop Sea Kings just before they bit something.The Sea King didnt even notice what happened till after he bit him.Who is to say that using Haki from a distance would actually stop the Sea King in time?What are the other inconsistencies? Hmm? How did he lose the arm? Let me explain, he was, as you suggested, not nearly as strong as before, and his 'guts' or death glare or whatever is what drove the animal away. After 10 years, Oda added something to the story, and tried to force it into that scene; therefore creating the inconsistency. It wasn't always so, is what I mean. People forgetting to draw something=plothole....anything else?Seriously this is the only reason to use something not introduced yet to explain something. A picture is a thousand words. In this case, it says Mr.3 can defy the DF rules. With means a plot hole. That people try to use tvtropes for criticism.Yes Shanks should have stopped during the emotional scene and talk about Haki. You're the one who suggested that Haki is no indicator of being the top tier he is now. So "haki " -if we assume it was there- was purely on instinct and emotion, doesn't make sense after being attacked, dismembered, and having the kid endangered by the attack anyway that he'd say "I'm angry with you, fish" You are the only one seeing the problem,just because you want to see a problem. Even with Haki people can be wounded,Yourproblem is that you see Haki as something that makes the user invincible. Not an intended plothole.It wasnt something done in order to force a char to escape from a situation.It is a mistake but not a plothole. I didnt say that it was on instinct tough.I said that it wouldnt stop the Sea King in time. |
Mar 10, 2014 12:31 PM
#980
RedRoseFring said: Or Shanks purposely sacrificed his arm, silly! But seriously, I can't really be the only one that thought that was obvious. People want to be spoon-feed, silly! |
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Mar 10, 2014 12:31 PM
#981
ssjokg said: You are the only one seeing the problem,just because you want to see a problem. Even with Haki people can be wounded,Yourproblem is that you see Haki as something that makes the user invincible. Not an intended plothole.It wasnt something done in order to force a char to escape from a situation.It is a mistake but not a plothole. I didnt say that it was on instinct tough.I said that it wouldnt stop the Sea King in time. With that logic anyone can turn a blind eye to any plot hole or they want to see it. My problem, actually, is seeing that forcing a new element into old stories, can mess things up a little, even if they were straight forward. A mistake IS a plothole. Anyway, this is a thread about these things, it's not a deal breaker if it exists. We're just pointing them out. |
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Mar 10, 2014 12:39 PM
#982
judals said: SetsukoHara said: He can only do that when he grabbed someone or something, he wasn't able to do that in the last fight. more like lack of trying. http://www.mangareader.net/103-2312-9/one-piece/chapter-205.html http://www.mangareader.net/103-2312-10/one-piece/chapter-205.html ToG25thBaam said: RedRoseFring said: Or Shanks purposely sacrificed his arm, silly! But seriously, I can't really be the only one that thought that was obvious. People want to be spoon-feed, silly! Shanks himself said he lost his arm betting on the next generation. That Sea Monster was defeated in one hit by Luffy before he went on his journey, so with or without Haki, Shanks should have been able to defeat that monster and save Luffy without any trouble. He sacrificed his arm to teach Luffy a good lesson. |
Mar 10, 2014 12:39 PM
#983
judals said: ssjokg said: You are the only one seeing the problem,just because you want to see a problem. Even with Haki people can be wounded,Yourproblem is that you see Haki as something that makes the user invincible. Not an intended plothole.It wasnt something done in order to force a char to escape from a situation.It is a mistake but not a plothole. I didnt say that it was on instinct tough.I said that it wouldnt stop the Sea King in time. With that logic anyone can turn a blind eye to any plot hole or they want to see it. My problem, actually, is seeing that forcing a new element into old stories, can mess things up a little, even if they were straight forward. A mistake IS a plothole. Anyway, this is a thread about these things, it's not a deal breaker if it exists. We're just pointing them out. No people using tvtropes to explain shit is a problem.And Shanks having Haki back then doesnt mess anything unless if you want it to. |
Mar 10, 2014 12:45 PM
#984
SetsukoHara said: Shanks himself said he lost his arm betting on the next generation. That Sea Monster was defeated in one hit by Luffy before he went on his journey, so with or without Haki, Shanks should have been able to defeat that monster and save Luffy without any trouble. He sacrificed his arm to teach Luffy a good lesson. Yes, but some people might not get that. P.S. Something random, but go watch Hikaru no Go if you don't hate sports anime. :) |
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Mar 10, 2014 12:55 PM
#985
ToG25thBaam said: P.S. Something random, but go watch Hikaru no Go if you don't hate sports anime. :) I really like sports anime, I will probably watch it, but there are a lot of sports anime that I planned to Watch before (Hajime no Ippo, Chihayafuru...). |
Mar 10, 2014 1:05 PM
#986
ssjokg said: judals said: ssjokg said: You are the only one seeing the problem,just because you want to see a problem. Even with Haki people can be wounded,Yourproblem is that you see Haki as something that makes the user invincible. Not an intended plothole.It wasnt something done in order to force a char to escape from a situation.It is a mistake but not a plothole. I didnt say that it was on instinct tough.I said that it wouldnt stop the Sea King in time. With that logic anyone can turn a blind eye to any plot hole or they want to see it. My problem, actually, is seeing that forcing a new element into old stories, can mess things up a little, even if they were straight forward. A mistake IS a plothole. Anyway, this is a thread about these things, it's not a deal breaker if it exists. We're just pointing them out. No people using tvtropes to explain shit is a problem.And Shanks having Haki back then doesnt mess anything unless if you want it to. I thought it was: Haki did not exist back then unless you want it to, but if it had, then it does mess some things. It doesn't bother me that much tbh, but I don't deny its existence. Besides, I'm not the only one who thinks that, if that's what concerns you. @Setsu, Fair enough. But that brings another related point, was it not you who said Logia become the thing they eat (the power), why does he need his palms to absorb? How can he just not absorb upon any contact? How does initiating a touch change things? Another thing, since we're on this topic, regarding the usage of water could 'solidify' the sand if we ignore world physics, by pouring water on Croc. then it was nerfed (or opposite of nerf) to make any liquid in contact with luffy making him anti-Croc. That's also nonsensical. The two points above show constant arbitration of elements for the sake of convenience. |
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Mar 10, 2014 1:16 PM
#987
SetsukoHara said: ToG25thBaam said: P.S. Something random, but go watch Hikaru no Go if you don't hate sports anime. :) I really like sports anime, I will probably watch it, but there are a lot of sports anime that I planned to Watch before (Hajime no Ippo, Chihayafuru...). It doesn't matter when, as long as you get to it someday. :) |
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Mar 10, 2014 1:21 PM
#988
judals said: ssjokg said: judals said: ssjokg said: You are the only one seeing the problem,just because you want to see a problem. Even with Haki people can be wounded,Yourproblem is that you see Haki as something that makes the user invincible. Not an intended plothole.It wasnt something done in order to force a char to escape from a situation.It is a mistake but not a plothole. I didnt say that it was on instinct tough.I said that it wouldnt stop the Sea King in time. With that logic anyone can turn a blind eye to any plot hole or they want to see it. My problem, actually, is seeing that forcing a new element into old stories, can mess things up a little, even if they were straight forward. A mistake IS a plothole. Anyway, this is a thread about these things, it's not a deal breaker if it exists. We're just pointing them out. No people using tvtropes to explain shit is a problem.And Shanks having Haki back then doesnt mess anything unless if you want it to. I thought it was: Haki did not exist back then unless you want it to, but if it had, then it does mess some things. It doesn't bother me that much tbh, but I don't deny its existence. Besides, I'm not the only one who thinks that, if that's what concerns you. @Setsu, Fair enough. But that brings another related point, was it not you who said Logia become the thing they eat (the power), why does he need his palms to absorb? How can he just not absorb upon any contact? How does initiating a touch change things? Another thing, since we're on this topic, regarding the usage of water could 'solidify' the sand if we ignore world physics, by pouring water on Croc. then it was nerfed (or opposite of nerf) to make any liquid in contact with luffy making him anti-Croc. That's also nonsensical. The two points above show constant arbitration of elements for the sake of convenience. It's not just his palms.It is that the power doesnt appear to be passive or take effect in an instant.Grabbing him appears to be the best choice. I dont remember being stated that only water can "solidify" sand if thats what you mean. |
Mar 10, 2014 1:36 PM
#989
judals said: @Setsu, Fair enough. But that brings another related point, was it not you who said Logia become the thing they eat (the power), why does he need his palms to absorb? How can he just not absorb upon any contact? How does initiating a touch change things? Another thing, since we're on this topic, regarding the usage of water could 'solidify' the sand if we ignore world physics, by pouring water on Croc. then it was nerfed (or opposite of nerf) to make any liquid in contact with luffy making him anti-Croc. That's also nonsensical. The two points above show constant arbitration of elements for the sake of convenience. Oda never explained that. And frankly, I don't think he cares that much about that kind of things. I will try to make sense of it if you want, but there's nothing official about that. To me, his logia power only gives him the power to change into sands, and this absorption thing is just a side power, something he developped through training with his fruit. And then, it's like martial arts, you got people that are way better with their hands than with their feet for example, so I think it's a skill he only developped with his hands, and he just doesn't know how to do it with the other part of his body. But, that's just what I think, there is nothing official about it, I'm not sure we'll ever get an explanation about that either, this doesn't look like something Oda would do. So, this is left unexplained. About the liquid, blood could touch him because it's mainly composed of water. |
Mar 10, 2014 1:38 PM
#990
Oh, no not that, it's just how being damp or slightly wet was able to nullify his power, Mizu luffy initially poured a barrel of water onto him, he did not just have wet/bloody hands. Guess any sweaty guy could have beaten him after all. Maybe not passive, but why limited to hands? He could initiate it upon any hit through any part of his body? Setsu, yeah... That actually makes sense. |
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Mar 10, 2014 1:42 PM
#991
judals said: Oh, no not that, it's just how being damp or slightly wet was able to nullify his power, Mizu luffy initially poured a barrel of water onto him, he did not just have wet/bloody hands. Guess any sweaty guy could have beaten him after all. Maybe not passive, but why limited to hands? He could initiate it upon any hit through any part of his body? That power never looked to take effect in an instant.That's why grabbing someone would be the best. |
Mar 10, 2014 1:44 PM
#992
ssjokg said: It's not just his palms.It is that the power doesnt appear to be passive or take effect in an instant.Grabbing him appears to be the best choice. If he could that with any part of his body, Luffy wouldn't have been able to touch him at all, as soon as Luffy tries to punch him, he uses that ability an then POUF, no water, you can't touch me anymore. Even throwing water would have been useless, he just absorb it with his power when he touches it. That's a power he can only use with his hand, for which reason though? We can only speculate since Oda never explained it. |
Mar 10, 2014 1:44 PM
#993
Still not getting my point, but setsu already answered it so... |
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Mar 10, 2014 1:48 PM
#994
SetsukoHara said: That's why I Say it doesnt work in an instant, so he HAs to grab others.ssjokg said: It's not just his palms.It is that the power doesnt appear to be passive or take effect in an instant.Grabbing him appears to be the best choice. If he could that with any part of his body, Luffy wouldn't have been able to touch him at all, as soon as Luffy tries to punch him, he uses that ability an then POUF, no water, you can't touch me anymore. Even throwing water would have been useless, he just absorb it with his power when he touches it. That's a power he can only use with his hand, for which reason though? We can only speculate since Oda never explained it. OFc it could be that he never imagined that such a fight would come so he didnt "train" anything else except his hands.. |
Mar 10, 2014 1:49 PM
#995
ssjokg said: That power never looked to take effect in an instant.That's why grabbing someone would be the best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAs6tOgdj0A Watch at 1:00, the power takes effect in an instant. judals said: Setsu, yeah... That actually makes sense. Again, that's my explanation, I'm not Oda. I don't know. |
Mar 10, 2014 1:51 PM
#996
SetsukoHara said: Doesn't matter, interpertations can fill in the gaps if plausible enough, so I'm willing to go with that notion than believing it's an inconsistency that keeps irking messjokg said: That power never looked to take effect in an instant.That's why grabbing someone would be the best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAs6tOgdj0A Watch at 1:00, the power takes effect in an instant. judals said: Setsu, yeah... That actually makes sense. Again, that's my explanation, I'm not Oda. I don't know. |
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Mar 10, 2014 1:52 PM
#997
SetsukoHara said: ssjokg said: That power never looked to take effect in an instant.That's why grabbing someone would be the best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAs6tOgdj0A Watch at 1:00, the power takes effect in an instant. I like that when in the start of the video when Croc absorbs from the ground it takes some time and I was like"yeah.So?" and then in 1:00 I see it. Well fuck my memory. |
Mar 10, 2014 4:57 PM
#998
Some plot holes in HxH (2011), or inconsistencies since it's seems more appropriate. Kite knew that Gon had an emitter move, before Gon used the paper rock attack. Killua had a very vague concept of what Nen was before going to the battle tower with Gon, but he certainly didn't understand it very well at all. Kaluto is Killua's younger brother and he can use nen pretty well, Why did the Zoldyk family not bother to teach Killua nen before his two younger brother? There is also Alluka. How did Killua recognize Zeno's Dragon Dive even though he could never have seen it before. Because you would have to be able to use Gyo to see it, since it's just pure aura. |
Mar 10, 2014 7:41 PM
#999
IntroverTurtle said: I think it's because Tobi is just a terrible villain. If Orochimaru or Danzo (especially Danzo) had started the war they would of done that.Part bullshit moment and part missed chance. Naruto Shippuden Ok so the big war was about to start up. All 5 large countries are getting together. But they have beef, to be expected and they've had many wars over the years. From the beginning of the anime we've been reminded of this, with the Cloud trying to steal the Byakugan, Konoha invasion, other stuff like that. And so they all get together, all the soldiers who still have their hate. They bicker a little bit, Gaara makes a speech where all the people listening don't know the context, all of a sudden everyone is past that and starts apologizing. From what I remember, the beef of all these countries is never brought up again. Even the daimyos together are having fun, no apparent grudges. What that did was make it so the focus was on the main characters and their drama instead of the main characters and their drama and the countries hate. But of course this arc is still ongoing so my opinion may change That's the bullshit part now here's how it could have been made better. Getting a large group(what over 100,000 people?) together that have longstanding hate is not a good idea. And the fact that they brought them together without any prep before was stupid. And the fact that Obito didn't take advantage of it was stupid. All he had to do was use a white zetsu clone to blend in, yell something, start some rumors, and or throw a kunai, and he could have started a chain reaction that could reduce the numbers. Maybe even make the clone a bomber to do some more damage. He would have taken out some of their force, brought down their morale and trust, and showed that their hate is still there. Making that a bigger part of the war, it's not so black and white, everyone is not exactly on the same side. Instead it kinda pushes it back and focuses on the main characters and main villains. Seeing them deal with Madara and Obito while also dealing with their own hate would have been way more interesting to watch. I feel like even if they win the war, the hate won't really be gone, they never dealt with it, just pushed it aside for a common enemy. I thought Naruto's job was to stop the hate, change the shinobi world, etc. A filler was able to do a better job(yeah one from the sucky boat arc where there were the rebels) but instead they just had him join the war all nicely. |
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