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IntroverTurtle said: Kaimon said: Why didn't he teach him anything other than a big rasengan you mean. There were tons of other frog jutsus he could have learned.Another one regarding Naruto Was there any specific reason why Jiraya didn't teach Naruto sage mode during their 2 1/2 years of training? That too. Seems like he learned more with Kakashi and Yamato than he did with Jiraya. |
Kaimon said: IntroverTurtle said: Kaimon said: Why didn't he teach him anything other than a big rasengan you mean. There were tons of other frog jutsus he could have learned.Another one regarding Naruto Was there any specific reason why Jiraya didn't teach Naruto sage mode during their 2 1/2 years of training? That too. Seems like he learned more with Kakashi and Yamato than he did with Jiraya. They probably spent more time chasing girls around than doing any training. The way of the toad and all. |
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tsudecimo said: Monster Spoiler regarding the bodyguard you haven't seen yet I assume You're unfortunately not far off in your prediction regarding the rest of your spoiler tags either despite what some people who love the show/Johan think. |
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hybreezy said: tsudecimo said: Monster Spoiler regarding the bodyguard you haven't seen yet I assume You're unfortunately not far off in your prediction regarding the rest of your spoiler tags either despite what some people who love the show/Johan think. Well that's sucks. I already lacked motivation but this gives me another reason to not continue watching Monster. I think I still have some interest left regarding Anna but idk. |
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tsudecimo said: hybreezy said: tsudecimo said: Monster Spoiler regarding the bodyguard you haven't seen yet I assume You're unfortunately not far off in your prediction regarding the rest of your spoiler tags either despite what some people who love the show/Johan think. Well that's sucks. I already lacked motivation but this gives me another reason to not continue watching Monster. I think I still have some interest left regarding Anna but idk. Yeah I really didn't like Tenma at all as a character either even setting aside all the dumb things he does simply because "he's a good person" despite putting himself at risk due to being a fugitive. I'd almost say you might as well slowly grind it out just to see how it plays out since you've almost reached the point of being too time committed. But I don't recommend suffering through things either and you got like 30 episodes to go so coin flip I guess. |
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ssjokg said: judals said: Nicobade said: judals said: Naruto, hidan arc: because of the "villain is a sadist and masochist and that he enjoys savouring his kills" cliche. and no. Yeah, there are few exceptions but this clearly isn't one. Why? If he's really a sado/masochist he'd not have stabbed himself once in the chest, but rather take it slow. Are you an M? I am not defending Hidan just wondering why you are so sure. Kaimon said: Because you need a "state of emergency" in order to learn any kind of new ability.101 for every battle shounen.Another one regarding Naruto Was there any specific reason why Jiraya didn't teach Naruto sage mode during their 2 1/2 years of training? I'm more of an S person but the point is if torturing him was really an excuse for such convenience, there need to be... Torture. As for Kaimon's post, that's actually 101 for life too but there WAS an emergency. That's the whole reason for training. |
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tsudecimo said: Monster You really don't want to see the ending then and should probably drop it right now. |
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g00dnight said: Seriously? That is out of nowhere?It was foreshadowed,through an unknow drug in the first episodes and then shown again when he saved The only bullshit there is that it conviently caused memory loss back then. And really you mention about AoT(no I dont care about the score you gave) when you have Campione in favs? I would understand if you were reading the novel but the bullshit in the anime adaptation surpass those of SAO which you dropped. judals said: ssjokg said: judals said: Nicobade said: judals said: Naruto, hidan arc: because of the "villain is a sadist and masochist and that he enjoys savouring his kills" cliche. and no. Yeah, there are few exceptions but this clearly isn't one. Why? If he's really a sado/masochist he'd not have stabbed himself once in the chest, but rather take it slow. Are you an M? I am not defending Hidan just wondering why you are so sure. Kaimon said: Because you need a "state of emergency" in order to learn any kind of new ability.101 for every battle shounen.Another one regarding Naruto Was there any specific reason why Jiraya didn't teach Naruto sage mode during their 2 1/2 years of training? I'm more of an S person but the point is if torturing him was really an excuse for such convenience, there need to be... Torture. As for Kaimon's post, that's actually 101 for life too but there WAS an emergency. That's the whole reason for training. I dont think real life is so convinient. Not really?Akatsuki WAS after him but it wasnt really that serious at that time. It's weird because everyone else from his generation had a new move of sorts but he had what?A better trained body and a more powerful/compressed rasengan while he still needed help from clones....Great training.... |
Keetriver said: g00dnight said: The moment in Attack on Titan when Eren first gets "eaten" and then turns into a titan out of nowhere.. Not many people talked about it after it was shown though... That was foreshadowing for something else and no sufficient enough for Eren's situation. It is a big asspull but a good one imo. |
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tsudecimo said: Keetriver said: g00dnight said: The moment in Attack on Titan when Eren first gets "eaten" and then turns into a titan out of nowhere.. Not many people talked about it after it was shown though... That was foreshadowing for something else and no sufficient enough for Eren's situation. It is a big asspull but a good one imo. You mean about the basement? So he gets Surely you wouldnt think that it was for THAT, but when THAT happens you cant say that it happened randomly just because he is the MC,you know the reason so it isnt an asspull. |
Keetriver said: If THAT wasn't foreshadowing Eren being special in some way then what does it foreshadow? Does it come up in the manga or something? It wasn't sufficient. It could have meant anything, it does not foreshadow what becomes of Eren, it only gives grounds for an explanation to it, and foreshadow that The emphasis about that flashback scene was the basement. If it was really about Eren then I wouldn't know if they finally reached the basement or if Eren's dad become relevant again, because I stopped reading the very boring manga. It's just an asspull. But I think it's a good one, because of it's dramatic effect. It created a lot of excitement and it was utterly unpredictable. Sure, from a critical point of view, that can be considered 'bad' writing, but it entertained the audience. It could have achieved both, if it was better foreshadowed, but that might have made it less unpredictable |
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ssjokg said: tsudecimo said: Keetriver said: g00dnight said: The moment in Attack on Titan when Eren first gets "eaten" and then turns into a titan out of nowhere.. Not many people talked about it after it was shown though... That was foreshadowing for something else and no sufficient enough for Eren's situation. It is a big asspull but a good one imo. You mean about the basement? So he gets Surely you wouldnt think that it was for THAT, but when THAT happens you cant say that it happened randomly just because he is the MC,you know the reason so it isnt an asspull. Its not like it was like "bullshit" in a badway, just more like wtf and incredibly random. |
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g00dnight said: ssjokg said: tsudecimo said: Keetriver said: g00dnight said: The moment in Attack on Titan when Eren first gets "eaten" and then turns into a titan out of nowhere.. Not many people talked about it after it was shown though... That was foreshadowing for something else and no sufficient enough for Eren's situation. It is a big asspull but a good one imo. You mean about the basement? So he gets Surely you wouldnt think that it was for THAT, but when THAT happens you cant say that it happened randomly just because he is the MC,you know the reason so it isnt an asspull. Its not like it was like "bullshit" in a badway, just more like wtf and incredibly random. Well again I dont see how it is random or how the injection could be about something else like tsudecimo says. If tte viewers did pay attention to the scene then they would know that it was because of that. |
ssjokg said: g00dnight said: ssjokg said: tsudecimo said: Keetriver said: g00dnight said: The moment in Attack on Titan when Eren first gets "eaten" and then turns into a titan out of nowhere.. Not many people talked about it after it was shown though... That was foreshadowing for something else and no sufficient enough for Eren's situation. It is a big asspull but a good one imo. You mean about the basement? So he gets Surely you wouldnt think that it was for THAT, but when THAT happens you cant say that it happened randomly just because he is the MC,you know the reason so it isnt an asspull. Its not like it was like "bullshit" in a badway, just more like wtf and incredibly random. Well again I dont see how it is random or how the injection could be about something else like tsudecimo says. If tte viewers did pay attention to the scene then they would know that it was because of that. Good point |
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tsudecimo said: Keetriver said: If THAT wasn't foreshadowing Eren being special in some way then what does it foreshadow? Does it come up in the manga or something? It wasn't sufficient. It could have meant anything, it does not foreshadow what becomes of Eren, it only gives grounds for an explanation to it, and foreshadow that The emphasis about that flashback scene was the basement. If it was really about Eren then I wouldn't know if they finally reached the basement or if Eren's dad become relevant again, because I stopped reading the very boring manga. It's just an asspull. But I think it's a good one, because of it's dramatic effect. It created a lot of excitement and it was utterly unpredictable. Sure, from a critical point of view, that can be considered 'bad' writing, but it entertained the audience. It could have achieved both, if it was better foreshadowed, but that might have made it less unpredictable Dude. Eren's father specifically states that Eren gained a "power" in the god damn flashback scene. http://i.imgur.com/P73oIT2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DLhv4jx.jpg |
antonnMar 23, 2014 4:51 AM
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antonn said: Dude. Eren's father specifically states that Eren gained a "power" in the god damn flashback scene. http://i.imgur.com/DLhv4jx.jpg The flashback scene you linked, was shown after Eren survived, it was when they was about to get shot at. The original flashback before Eren's asspull, didn't have the word 'power' in it. |
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Keetriver said: tsudecimo said: Keetriver said: If THAT wasn't foreshadowing Eren being special in some way then what does it foreshadow? Does it come up in the manga or something? It wasn't sufficient. It could have meant anything, it does not foreshadow what becomes of Eren, it only gives grounds for an explanation to it, and foreshadow that The emphasis about that flashback scene was the basement. If it was really about Eren then I wouldn't know if they finally reached the basement or if Eren's dad become relevant again, because I stopped reading the very boring manga. That is easily enough to tell us that Eren has changed biologically, and the effects revealed after the 5th episode or so. Personally during the episode when he got injected with the serum I probably wasnt listening and thought he's dad went insane or some shit and was trying to molest him |
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tsudecimo said: antonn said: Dude. Eren's father specifically states that Eren gained a "power" in the god damn flashback scene. http://i.imgur.com/P73oIT2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DLhv4jx.jpg The flashback scene you linked, was shown after Eren survived, it was when they was about to get shot at. The original flashback before Eren's asspull, didn't have the word 'power' in it. Wasn't aware when something is foreshadowed then explained in detail to the viewer that it's considered an asspull. Might as well rename the mystery genre to "asspull". |
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Keetriver said: That is easily enough to tell us that Eren has changed biologically, and the effects revealed after the 5th episode or so. Important figure? what? that wasn't established in the first four episodes. Nor is it in anyway relevant to the titans themselves, since nothing have been revealed about the wall at the point in time. Yes it could mean anything. It gives the writer freedom, to pull everything out of his ass. It could mean that Eren is immortal or invincible or something that could control him etc. Anybody can draw tons of conclusion from that scene. It doesn't in any way, specifically foreshadows the fact that Eren http://i.imgur.com/DLhv4jx.jpg ^ This flashback would have been actually foreshadowing for what becomes of Eren, but it was shown after the fact. antonn said: http://i.imgur.com/P73oIT2.jpg I'm assuming, that you are saying that Eren just forgot about the 'power' part. This doesn't make it any less of an asspull. Eren's power wan't foreshadowed, only the basement was empathize on, in that scene. |
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antonn said: Wasn't aware when something is foreshadowed then explained in detail to the viewer that it's considered an asspull. Might as well rename the mystery genre to "asspull". It wasn't foreshadowed, that's my point. Something is called an asspull for the lack of foreshadowing to an important plot development before it occurs, not after it. It doesn't matter if it was explained in full detail, after the events occured. It has no relation to whether or not it's an asspull. It wasn't explained in detail anyway. ''The power ought to be useful by then'' that's vague and doesn't explain How is that explanation in detail exactly? |
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ssjokgMar 23, 2014 5:27 AM
| I don't think that there was ample enough foreshadowing to justify Eren's transformation as not being random but it isn't an asspull. You must consider that an asspull is more than just lack of foreshadowing but also the way in which it is used. Asspulls are used when writers have written themselves into a corner and don't have a more reasonable way of resolving a situation hence the plot point that they are using to resolve is pulled out of their ass. |
BelovyMar 23, 2014 5:37 AM
Kaimon said: IntroverTurtle said: Kaimon said: Why didn't he teach him anything other than a big rasengan you mean. There were tons of other frog jutsus he could have learned.Another one regarding Naruto Was there any specific reason why Jiraya didn't teach Naruto sage mode during their 2 1/2 years of training? That too. Seems like he learned more with Kakashi and Yamato than he did with Jiraya. But how is that a plothole or asspull? it just shows that Jiraya and Naruto were slacking compared to the other people. |
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Nicobade said: I don't think that there was ample enough foreshadowing to justify Eren's transformation as not being random but it isn't an asspull. You must consider that an asspull is more than just lack of foreshadowing but also the way in which it is used. Asspulls are used when writers have written themselves into a corner and don't have a more reasonable way of resolving a situation hence the plot point that they are using to resolve is pulled out of their ass. You are thinking of/describing Deus Ex Machina, not an asspull. Eren's situation wasn't a Deus Ex Machina because the author purposely wrote him in that situation, in order to make the reveal dramatic, big and exciting and wasn't simply driven in a corner and thought of a random way to solve it. But he however, didn't implement enough foreshadowing for that event, hence why it's an asspull. ''An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing. In cases where a character suddenly gets a new skill without explanation. An Ass Pull used to resolve an unwinnable situation for the protagonists is a Deus ex Machina.'' He might have planned it in his head, from chapter 1, for all we know but he didn't foreshadow or give hints to the audience of it's possibility. That scene, could be counted as the author planning to let Eren live, because of unresolved issues regarding him and he is the MC anyway, but it doesn't count as planning for Eren to be a titan. Eren could have survived because of that serum, since it's purpose was unknown, and in that way you can say it was planned and not from thin air and was just a plot armor, but not him being a titan, that was just an asspull. This kinda reminds of Netero vs The King conclusion and why it's an asspull and not a Deus Ex Machina. |
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tsudecimo said: Nicobade said: I don't think that there was ample enough foreshadowing to justify Eren's transformation as not being random but it isn't an asspull. You must consider that an asspull is more than just lack of foreshadowing but also the way in which it is used. Asspulls are used when writers have written themselves into a corner and don't have a more reasonable way of resolving a situation hence the plot point that they are using to resolve is pulled out of their ass. You are thinking of/describing Deus Ex Machina, not an asspull. Eren's situation wasn't a Deus Ex Machina because the author purposely wrote him in that situation, in order to make the reveal dramatic, big and exciting and wasn't simply driven in a corner and thought of a random way to solve it. But he however, didn't implement enough foreshadowing for that event, hence why it's an asspull. ''An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing. In cases where a character suddenly gets a new skill without explanation. An Ass Pull used to resolve an unwinnable situation for the protagonists is a Deus ex Machina.'' This kinda reminds of Netero vs The King conclusion and why it's an asspull and not a Deus Ex Machina. Lets see. A show about fighting Titans. First Titans appear out of nowhere and specifically attack only humans for no real reason. MC gets injected with something that surely is important to the plot,like giving him a power. |
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ssjokg said: tsudecimo said: Nicobade said: I don't think that there was ample enough foreshadowing to justify Eren's transformation as not being random but it isn't an asspull. You must consider that an asspull is more than just lack of foreshadowing but also the way in which it is used. Asspulls are used when writers have written themselves into a corner and don't have a more reasonable way of resolving a situation hence the plot point that they are using to resolve is pulled out of their ass. You are thinking of/describing Deus Ex Machina, not an asspull. Eren's situation wasn't a Deus Ex Machina because the author purposely wrote him in that situation, in order to make the reveal dramatic, big and exciting and wasn't simply driven in a corner and thought of a random way to solve it. But he however, didn't implement enough foreshadowing for that event, hence why it's an asspull. ''An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing. In cases where a character suddenly gets a new skill without explanation. An Ass Pull used to resolve an unwinnable situation for the protagonists is a Deus ex Machina.'' This kinda reminds of Netero vs The King conclusion and why it's an asspull and not a Deus Ex Machina. Lets see. A show about fighting Titans. First Titans appear out of nowhere and specifically attack only humans for no real reason. MC gets injected with something that surely is important to the plot,like giving him a power. Gotta agree with this. Any more foreshadowing and the twist would have been way too obvious. That flashback was enough to suggest that the injection had some effect on Eren, but it still didn't give it away. I'd say it struck a good balance, something that the second twist in Shingeki no Kyojin failed to achieve. |
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geralt said: ssjokg said: tsudecimo said: Nicobade said: I don't think that there was ample enough foreshadowing to justify Eren's transformation as not being random but it isn't an asspull. You must consider that an asspull is more than just lack of foreshadowing but also the way in which it is used. Asspulls are used when writers have written themselves into a corner and don't have a more reasonable way of resolving a situation hence the plot point that they are using to resolve is pulled out of their ass. You are thinking of/describing Deus Ex Machina, not an asspull. Eren's situation wasn't a Deus Ex Machina because the author purposely wrote him in that situation, in order to make the reveal dramatic, big and exciting and wasn't simply driven in a corner and thought of a random way to solve it. But he however, didn't implement enough foreshadowing for that event, hence why it's an asspull. ''An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing. In cases where a character suddenly gets a new skill without explanation. An Ass Pull used to resolve an unwinnable situation for the protagonists is a Deus ex Machina.'' This kinda reminds of Netero vs The King conclusion and why it's an asspull and not a Deus Ex Machina. Lets see. A show about fighting Titans. First Titans appear out of nowhere and specifically attack only humans for no real reason. MC gets injected with something that surely is important to the plot,like giving him a power. Gotta agree with this. Any more foreshadowing and the twist would have been way too obvious. That flashback was enough to suggest that the injection had some effect on Eren, but it still didn't give it away. I'd say it struck a good balance, something that the second twist in Shingeki no Kyojin failed to achieve. I dont think the author intended for it to be some great mystery.Manga or Anime you had to be blind to not get it. It is just that the chars that could guess her identity, didnt want to think about it. Thats my opinion.It could also be that the writer though that the drawings were really bad for us to figure it out. |
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SaSa-Zoldyck said: I think he mentioned it as a BS moment. BS moments don't have to be a plot hole, asspull, or inconsistency.Kaimon said: IntroverTurtle said: Kaimon said: Why didn't he teach him anything other than a big rasengan you mean. There were tons of other frog jutsus he could have learned.Another one regarding Naruto Was there any specific reason why Jiraya didn't teach Naruto sage mode during their 2 1/2 years of training? That too. Seems like he learned more with Kakashi and Yamato than he did with Jiraya. But how is that a plothole or asspull? it just shows that Jiraya and Naruto were slacking compared to the other people. |
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geralt said: ssjokg said: tsudecimo said: Nicobade said: I don't think that there was ample enough foreshadowing to justify Eren's transformation as not being random but it isn't an asspull. You must consider that an asspull is more than just lack of foreshadowing but also the way in which it is used. Asspulls are used when writers have written themselves into a corner and don't have a more reasonable way of resolving a situation hence the plot point that they are using to resolve is pulled out of their ass. You are thinking of/describing Deus Ex Machina, not an asspull. Eren's situation wasn't a Deus Ex Machina because the author purposely wrote him in that situation, in order to make the reveal dramatic, big and exciting and wasn't simply driven in a corner and thought of a random way to solve it. But he however, didn't implement enough foreshadowing for that event, hence why it's an asspull. ''An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing. In cases where a character suddenly gets a new skill without explanation. An Ass Pull used to resolve an unwinnable situation for the protagonists is a Deus ex Machina.'' This kinda reminds of Netero vs The King conclusion and why it's an asspull and not a Deus Ex Machina. Lets see. A show about fighting Titans. First Titans appear out of nowhere and specifically attack only humans for no real reason. MC gets injected with something that surely is important to the plot,like giving him a power. Gotta agree with this. Any more foreshadowing and the twist would have been way too obvious. That flashback was enough to suggest that the injection had some effect on Eren, but it still didn't give it away. I'd say it struck a good balance, something that the second twist in Shingeki no Kyojin failed to achieve. |
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IntroverTurtle said: SaSa-Zoldyck said: I think he mentioned it as a BS moment. BS moments don't have to be a plot hole, asspull, or inconsistency.Kaimon said: IntroverTurtle said: Kaimon said: Why didn't he teach him anything other than a big rasengan you mean. There were tons of other frog jutsus he could have learned.Another one regarding Naruto Was there any specific reason why Jiraya didn't teach Naruto sage mode during their 2 1/2 years of training? That too. Seems like he learned more with Kakashi and Yamato than he did with Jiraya. But how is that a plothole or asspull? it just shows that Jiraya and Naruto were slacking compared to the other people. Hmm, I still don't see how that is a BS moment. From a story point of view it makes sense that Jiraya would take Naruto out of the village, a village that isolated him, blamed him for the 9 tails attack and have fun travelling around. Naruto needed a loving family/adult more then a flashy jutsu at that time and Jiraya being his godfather was the closest thing to a family. Atleast thats my take on the whole deal. |
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SaSa-Zoldyck said: He's known about Naruto since he was a fetus in his mother's uterus, he could have been doing that for the first 13 years of his life when Naruto actually had no friends. The purpose of them going on that journey was as stated to train Naruto so he can protect himself against the Akatsuki who were going to be active again in 2 years(hence the amount of time they were gone for). And Naruto had many friends in the village and people were warming up to him so he didn't need to leave the village for 2 years.Hmm, I still don't see how that is a BS moment. From a story point of view it makes sense that Jiraya would take Naruto out of the village, a village that isolated him, blamed him for the 9 tails attack and have fun travelling around. Naruto needed a loving family/adult more then a flashy jutsu at that time and Jiraya being his godfather was the closest thing to a family. Atleast thats my take on the whole deal. |
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IntroverTurtle said: SaSa-Zoldyck said: He's known about Naruto since he was a fetus in his mother's uterus, he could have been doing that for the first 13 years of his life when Naruto actually had no friends. The purpose of them going on that journey was as stated to train Naruto so he can protect himself against the Akatsuki who were going to be active again in 2 years(hence the amount of time they were gone for). And Naruto had many friends in the village and people were warming up to him so he didn't need to leave the village for 2 years.Hmm, I still don't see how that is a BS moment. From a story point of view it makes sense that Jiraya would take Naruto out of the village, a village that isolated him, blamed him for the 9 tails attack and have fun travelling around. Naruto needed a loving family/adult more then a flashy jutsu at that time and Jiraya being his godfather was the closest thing to a family. Atleast thats my take on the whole deal. They don't need to travel to train Naruto, he could have done that in Konoha like Kakashi did. Naruto had many friends? he had a few but the majority of the villagers hated him up until the pain invasion. Yeah Jiraya claimed that they would train and that was the reason they were allowed to leave the village but we know now that they hardly trained for anything. That suggest that the whole training part of the journey was just an excuse, thats why I believe that he wanted to take Naruto away from the village and have fun with his ''son'' who he neglected for years. I forgot most of the early parts of series but the kid really looked happy in the flashbacks with Jiraya. |
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SaSa-Zoldyck said: IF it is like this then it still is a BS moment since Jiraiya ignores a very important threat to Naruto.IntroverTurtle said: SaSa-Zoldyck said: He's known about Naruto since he was a fetus in his mother's uterus, he could have been doing that for the first 13 years of his life when Naruto actually had no friends. The purpose of them going on that journey was as stated to train Naruto so he can protect himself against the Akatsuki who were going to be active again in 2 years(hence the amount of time they were gone for). And Naruto had many friends in the village and people were warming up to him so he didn't need to leave the village for 2 years.Hmm, I still don't see how that is a BS moment. From a story point of view it makes sense that Jiraya would take Naruto out of the village, a village that isolated him, blamed him for the 9 tails attack and have fun travelling around. Naruto needed a loving family/adult more then a flashy jutsu at that time and Jiraya being his godfather was the closest thing to a family. Atleast thats my take on the whole deal. They don't need to travel to train Naruto, he could have done that in Konoha like Kakashi did. Naruto had many friends? he had a few but the majority of the villagers hated him up until the pain invasion. Yeah Jiraya claimed that they would train and that was the reason they were allowed to leave the village but we know now that they hardly trained for anything. That suggest that the whole training part of the journey was just an excuse, thats why I believe that he wanted to take Naruto away from the village and have fun with his ''son'' who he neglected for years. I forgot most of the early parts of series but the kid really looked happy in the flashbacks with Jiraya. |
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