| Lol that's all too true sadly. |
| not much of a plothole but more of a plot convenience nonetheless the fight was kickass |
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| in naruto when they extracted the bijuu out of gaara it took many chapters before they have finished then in naruto and kushina cases it was extracted instantly. |
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lionheart04 said: in naruto when they extracted the bijuu out of gaara it took many chapters before they have finished then in naruto and kushina cases it was extracted instantly. in her case her seal had already been weakened by childbirth |
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lionheart04 said: in naruto when they extracted the bijuu out of gaara it took many chapters before they have finished then in naruto and kushina cases it was extracted instantly. Kushina's seal was already weakened and Tobi only extracted Kyuubi and released it outside while Garra's tailed beast was extracted and transferred to the Gedo Mazo at the same time. |
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| Btooom, that moment when Sakamoto had nowhere to go when the explosion occurred and then they explained that he ran a little and jumped into a hole etc etc, the time needed was too long for him to accomplish that. |
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lionheart04 said: in naruto when they extracted the bijuu out of gaara it took many chapters before they have finished then in naruto and kushina cases it was extracted instantly. The real plot hole is picking out a woman for the job, if pregnancy is such a delicate procedure and makes the release more likely. |
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judals said: It have nothing to do with gender but more about compability. She is more compatible because she have an Uzumaki blood that is related to the Rikudo Sennin.lionheart04 said: in naruto when they extracted the bijuu out of gaara it took many chapters before they have finished then in naruto and kushina cases it was extracted instantly. The real plot hole is picking out a woman for the job, if pregnancy is such a delicate procedure and makes the release more likely. |
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NeoAnkara said: judals said: It have nothing to do with gender but more about compability. She is more compatible because she have an Uzumaki blood that is related to the Rikudo Sennin.lionheart04 said: in naruto when they extracted the bijuu out of gaara it took many chapters before they have finished then in naruto and kushina cases it was extracted instantly. The real plot hole is picking out a woman for the job, if pregnancy is such a delicate procedure and makes the release more likely. Then get an Uzumaki who is not a chick, simple as that. Or a priestess that is dedicated to the job and doesn't have children. |
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judals said: Uzumaki is nearly extnict at that point. You know their village is getting attacked and many of the survivor (like Nagato) scatered throughout the world. And one other thing is she seems to have a bloodline from Mito Uzumaki the first Kyuubi Jinchuriki and also the first Hokage wives.NeoAnkara said: judals said: It have nothing to do with gender but more about compability. She is more compatible because she have an Uzumaki blood that is related to the Rikudo Sennin.lionheart04 said: in naruto when they extracted the bijuu out of gaara it took many chapters before they have finished then in naruto and kushina cases it was extracted instantly. The real plot hole is picking out a woman for the job, if pregnancy is such a delicate procedure and makes the release more likely. Then get an Uzumaki who is not a chick, simple as that. Or a priestess that is dedicated to the job and doesn't have children. |
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| Yes but there was a whole village still, and there is absolutely no point in making such a risk of releasing what was the most dangerous threat ever at that time. This whole "she has a better compatibility" doesn't prove much at all, an amateur kid who is half-Uzumaki did just fine. So a seal that is 0.001% better than everyone else is not a good argument against actual potential of threat... and guess what? It happened. At that exact moment. |
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judals said: What are you talking about? The village is wiped out of the map. She is chosen because she have special ability that is the golden chain she use to restrain Kyuubi. Even Mito didn't have the heart to entrust that task to her but she feel that's the duty of someone from Uzumaki who is renown for their skill at sealing technique.Yes but there was a whole village still, and there is absolutely no point in making such a risk of releasing what was the most dangerous threat ever at that time. This whole "she has a better compatibility" doesn't prove much at all, an amateur kid who is half-Uzumaki did just fine. So a seal that is 0.001% better than everyone else is not a good argument against actual potential of threat... and guess what? It happened. At that exact moment. |
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| By the time the village was attacked there had been plenty of Uzumaki clan members living in Konoha alongside the Senju and their decendants, including Mito Uzumaki, the first Jinchuuriki for Kyuubi. So from start to finish they had been picking females for this until Naruto came along. And the facts are still that this was their mistake, and this was the reason the Kyuubi was released. |
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| The fact that Jinchuriki seal is weakened at childbirth only know to few. |
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| This incident could have been completely side-stepped, but the story dictated that such convenience is required |
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judals said: If it isn't convenience for the plot then there isn't a reason for it to happen in the first place. Everything is done to advance the story.This incident could have been completely side-stepped, but the story dictated that such convenience is required |
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NeoAnkara said: judals said: If it isn't convenience for the plot then there isn't a reason for it to happen in the first place. Everything is done to advance the story.This incident could have been completely side-stepped, but the story dictated that such convenience is required Doing something for the sake of advancing the plot is okay. It is not okay if it goes with compromising common sense and logic, that's when we call it PIS, Plot-hole, ret-con depending on the case; and bad writing, in general. |
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| So better not choose the best candidate with special power to seal the Bijuu because it is plot convenience....not like every time we saw a "useless" shinobi(and men at that) becoming the Jinchuriki we had Bijuus walking around. The incident would be a lot easier to happen if it was someone else. |
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| If you look at what happen to the previous Hachibi Jinchuriki you will know what I mean. If someone isn't compatible enough the risk of it going berserk is higher. |
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judals said: It is not okay if it goes with compromising common sense and logic, that's when we call it PIS, Plot-hole, ret-con depending on the case; and bad writing, in general. Are you retarded or something? a plot hole is something that goes against/contradict the show's logic and established rules (i.e it's a plot hole if Naruto awakened a Sharingan, since it's a blood line ability only the Uchiha have) Something isn't a plot hole if it goes against common sense aka our world logic. Going by your stupid logic, all of Naruto, HxH, Bleach, OP, etc is a giant plot hole since super powers don't exist in our world. Kushiena being a Jin, doesn't go against any kind of logic anyway. Stop spouting bullshit. |
sebrina8 said: judals said: It is not okay if it goes with compromising common sense and logic, that's when we call it PIS, Plot-hole, ret-con depending on the case; and bad writing, in general. Are you retarded or something? a plot hole is something that goes against/contradict the show's logic and established rules (i.e it's a plot hole if Naruto awakened a Sharingan, since it's a blood line ability only the Uchiha have) Something isn't a plot hole if it goes against common sense aka our world logic. Going by your stupid logic, all of Naruto, HxH, Bleach, OP, etc is a giant plot hole since super powers don't exist in our world. Kushiena being a Jin, doesn't go against any kind of logic anyway. Stop spouting bullshit. The logic in this show established that the seal is truly at its weakest during childbirth, and it went against that and made the host a female. You're contradicting yourself, if it goes against the show's logic but not if it goes against our world's common sense? That may be true... IF the show's logic is completely different from and does not follow at all our common sense, which is impossible to do. Neo, if you strictly look at cases with the Kyuubi, you'd see he was almost released once when Mito was pregnant, and indeed had been released when Kushina was. Naruto went Berserk over and over and he wasn't released (too busy giving power-ups). |
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judals said: sebrina8 said: judals said: It is not okay if it goes with compromising common sense and logic, that's when we call it PIS, Plot-hole, ret-con depending on the case; and bad writing, in general. Are you retarded or something? a plot hole is something that goes against/contradict the show's logic and established rules (i.e it's a plot hole if Naruto awakened a Sharingan, since it's a blood line ability only the Uchiha have) Something isn't a plot hole if it goes against common sense aka our world logic. Going by your stupid logic, all of Naruto, HxH, Bleach, OP, etc is a giant plot hole since super powers don't exist in our world. Kushiena being a Jin, doesn't go against any kind of logic anyway. Stop spouting bullshit. The logic in this show established that the seal is truly at its weakest during childbirth, and it went against that and made the host a female. You're contradicting yourself, if it goes against the show's logic but not if it goes against our world's common sense? That may be true... IF the show's logic is completely different from and does not follow at all our common sense, which is impossible to do. Neo, if you strictly look at cases with the Kyuubi, you'd see he was almost released once when Mito was pregnant, and indeed had been released when Kushina was. Naruto went Berserk over and over and he wasn't released (too busy giving power-ups). |
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ssjokg said: judals said: sebrina8 said: judals said: It is not okay if it goes with compromising common sense and logic, that's when we call it PIS, Plot-hole, ret-con depending on the case; and bad writing, in general. Are you retarded or something? a plot hole is something that goes against/contradict the show's logic and established rules (i.e it's a plot hole if Naruto awakened a Sharingan, since it's a blood line ability only the Uchiha have) Something isn't a plot hole if it goes against common sense aka our world logic. Going by your stupid logic, all of Naruto, HxH, Bleach, OP, etc is a giant plot hole since super powers don't exist in our world. Kushiena being a Jin, doesn't go against any kind of logic anyway. Stop spouting bullshit. The logic in this show established that the seal is truly at its weakest during childbirth, and it went against that and made the host a female. You're contradicting yourself, if it goes against the show's logic but not if it goes against our world's common sense? That may be true... IF the show's logic is completely different from and does not follow at all our common sense, which is impossible to do. Neo, if you strictly look at cases with the Kyuubi, you'd see he was almost released once when Mito was pregnant, and indeed had been released when Kushina was. Naruto went Berserk over and over and he wasn't released (too busy giving power-ups). And Kushina UNLIKE everyone else COULD be a Jinchuriki without losing it BEFORE childbirth and letting the Kyuubi rampage. NAruto also had HALF of the Kyuubi's power that Kushina had inside her.Who can guarantee that Naruto wouldnt go berserk AND release the Kyuubi if he had ALL of it. And you dont take into account that Because if we forget what he and Akatsuki have been doing, all capable Jinchurikis were horrible hosts and this "goes against the show's logic". And the "contradiction" is that, that woman was given a chance to become a mother.They could have made her the Jinchuriki and leave her alone. Too bad for you that Minato is more human than shinobi. |
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judals said: ssjokg said: judals said: sebrina8 said: judals said: It is not okay if it goes with compromising common sense and logic, that's when we call it PIS, Plot-hole, ret-con depending on the case; and bad writing, in general. Are you retarded or something? a plot hole is something that goes against/contradict the show's logic and established rules (i.e it's a plot hole if Naruto awakened a Sharingan, since it's a blood line ability only the Uchiha have) Something isn't a plot hole if it goes against common sense aka our world logic. Going by your stupid logic, all of Naruto, HxH, Bleach, OP, etc is a giant plot hole since super powers don't exist in our world. Kushiena being a Jin, doesn't go against any kind of logic anyway. Stop spouting bullshit. The logic in this show established that the seal is truly at its weakest during childbirth, and it went against that and made the host a female. You're contradicting yourself, if it goes against the show's logic but not if it goes against our world's common sense? That may be true... IF the show's logic is completely different from and does not follow at all our common sense, which is impossible to do. Neo, if you strictly look at cases with the Kyuubi, you'd see he was almost released once when Mito was pregnant, and indeed had been released when Kushina was. Naruto went Berserk over and over and he wasn't released (too busy giving power-ups). And Kushina UNLIKE everyone else COULD be a Jinchuriki without losing it BEFORE childbirth and letting the Kyuubi rampage. NAruto also had HALF of the Kyuubi's power that Kushina had inside her.Who can guarantee that Naruto wouldnt go berserk AND release the Kyuubi if he had ALL of it. And you dont take into account that Because if we forget what he and Akatsuki have been doing, all capable Jinchurikis were horrible hosts and this "goes against the show's logic". And the "contradiction" is that, that woman was given a chance to become a mother.They could have made her the Jinchuriki and leave her alone. Too bad for you that Minato is more human than shinobi. |
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| "She is special" |
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| you don't know that Uzumaki are collectively a clan do you? So if it's a kekkei genkai or that other term used for inherent techniques, what does it matter? Then other Uzumaki's aren't supposed to get it? |
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judals said: The condition of power to active is vary between clan to clan. And Kushina is the one and apparently the only one that is available in Konoha because her hometown is destroyed. That's based on how rare red hair even viewed in universe is even though other bizzare hair color is many and didn't even get commented on.you don't know that Uzumaki are collectively a clan do you? So if it's a kekkei genkai or that other term used for inherent techniques, what does it matter? Then other Uzumaki's aren't supposed to get it? |
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| There's nothing that implies females possess it only. And she wasn't the only Uzumaki out there. and you're still evading the fact, that no matter what jutsu it is, pregnancy makes the seal the weakest its ever been, while other Jinchuuriki, without any specialty maintained their Bijuu with the special case of Hachibi who frequently breaks out before the 3rd handled it. |
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judals said: Yamato and the 4th hokage are to thank for that. sebrina8 said: judals said: It is not okay if it goes with compromising common sense and logic, that's when we call it PIS, Plot-hole, ret-con depending on the case; and bad writing, in general. Are you retarded or something? a plot hole is something that goes against/contradict the show's logic and established rules (i.e it's a plot hole if Naruto awakened a Sharingan, since it's a blood line ability only the Uchiha have) Something isn't a plot hole if it goes against common sense aka our world logic. Going by your stupid logic, all of Naruto, HxH, Bleach, OP, etc is a giant plot hole since super powers don't exist in our world. Kushiena being a Jin, doesn't go against any kind of logic anyway. Stop spouting bullshit. The logic in this show established that the seal is truly at its weakest during childbirth, and it went against that and made the host a female. You're contradicting yourself, if it goes against the show's logic but not if it goes against our world's common sense? That may be true... IF the show's logic is completely different from and does not follow at all our common sense, which is impossible to do. Neo, if you strictly look at cases with the Kyuubi, you'd see he was almost released once when Mito was pregnant, and indeed had been released when Kushina was. Naruto went Berserk over and over and he wasn't released (too busy giving power-ups). |
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judals said: you don't know that Uzumaki are collectively a clan do you? So if it's a kekkei genkai or that other term used for inherent techniques, what does it matter? Then other Uzumaki's aren't supposed to get it? |
judals said: You also evading the fact that Kushina is the only one Uzumaki at Konoha after Uzu village is destroyed. Sure there are several of them out there but there are not something you can get in a day or two.There's nothing that implies females possess it only. And she wasn't the only Uzumaki out there. and you're still evading the fact, that no matter what jutsu it is, pregnancy makes the seal the weakest its ever been, while other Jinchuuriki, without any specialty maintained their Bijuu with the special case of Hachibi who frequently breaks out before the 3rd handled it. And for aditional info Nii Yugito and Fu also selected as Jinchuriki because they are the best fit for their Bijuu. |
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ssjokg said: judals said: you don't know that Uzumaki are collectively a clan do you? So if it's a kekkei genkai or that other term used for inherent techniques, what does it matter? Then other Uzumaki's aren't supposed to get it? DrGero you have a point about the Naruto part, but speaking of which, couldn't Hashirama use the jutsu on others to supress the chakra? |
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judals said: Yeah 1st hokage could suppress the fox's chakra that's why Yamato can do it.ssjokg said: judals said: you don't know that Uzumaki are collectively a clan do you? So if it's a kekkei genkai or that other term used for inherent techniques, what does it matter? Then other Uzumaki's aren't supposed to get it? DrGero you have a point about the Naruto part, but speaking of which, couldn't Hashirama use the jutsu on others to supress the chakra? |
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DrGeroCreation said: judals said: Yeah 1st hokage could suppress the fox's chakra that's why Yamato can do it.ssjokg said: judals said: you don't know that Uzumaki are collectively a clan do you? So if it's a kekkei genkai or that other term used for inherent techniques, what does it matter? Then other Uzumaki's aren't supposed to get it? DrGero you have a point about the Naruto part, but speaking of which, couldn't Hashirama use the jutsu on others to supress the chakra? Minor correction, Hashirama can suppress any bijuu's chakra (no just Kyuubi's), Yamato requires a special link (like Naruto's necklace) to do so. |
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DrGeroCreation said: I've stated my evidence above. It also stated before the flashback of Naruto Birth arc in anime when Naruto and Kushina have a chat.judals said: Yeah 1st hokage could suppress the fox's chakra that's why Yamato can do it.ssjokg said: judals said: you don't know that Uzumaki are collectively a clan do you? So if it's a kekkei genkai or that other term used for inherent techniques, what does it matter? Then other Uzumaki's aren't supposed to get it? DrGero you have a point about the Naruto part, but speaking of which, couldn't Hashirama use the jutsu on others to supress the chakra? |
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judals said: ssjokg said: judals said: you don't know that Uzumaki are collectively a clan do you? So if it's a kekkei genkai or that other term used for inherent techniques, what does it matter? Then other Uzumaki's aren't supposed to get it? DrGero you have a point about the Naruto part, but speaking of which, couldn't Hashirama use the jutsu on others to supress the chakra? |
| Meh. Naruto post-Hidan/Kakuzu is still pretty boo-boo Not even the dignified doggy boo-boo, the all-you-can-eat-buffet-with-liquid type of boo boo. |
NeoAnkara said: DrGeroCreation said: I've stated my evidence above. It also stated before the flashback of Naruto Birth arc in anime when Naruto and Kushina have a chat.judals said: Yeah 1st hokage could suppress the fox's chakra that's why Yamato can do it.ssjokg said: judals said: you don't know that Uzumaki are collectively a clan do you? So if it's a kekkei genkai or that other term used for inherent techniques, what does it matter? Then other Uzumaki's aren't supposed to get it? DrGero you have a point about the Naruto part, but speaking of which, couldn't Hashirama use the jutsu on others to supress the chakra? and ssj too, |
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judals said: NeoAnkara said: DrGeroCreation said: I've stated my evidence above. It also stated before the flashback of Naruto Birth arc in anime when Naruto and Kushina have a chat.judals said: Yeah 1st hokage could suppress the fox's chakra that's why Yamato can do it.ssjokg said: judals said: you don't know that Uzumaki are collectively a clan do you? So if it's a kekkei genkai or that other term used for inherent techniques, what does it matter? Then other Uzumaki's aren't supposed to get it? DrGero you have a point about the Naruto part, but speaking of which, couldn't Hashirama use the jutsu on others to supress the chakra? and ssj too, |
| 3 different events where he is alive thanks to other people's powers including his mother's. |
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judals said: He is released because he is extracted but the other is released because they cannot handle the Bijuu something that Kushina can do.3 different events where he is alive thanks to other people's powers including his mother's. |
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| He wouldn't have been if they 1) not had kushina at all 2) kushina had not gotten pregnant. |
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| The reason Kushina didn't get targeted outright is because she is heavily guarded by an ANBU, Minato and Sarutobi. Honestly if she isn't Hokage wives then the matter is become more simple since the number of guard is lowering. |
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| Oh so if she's not the hokage's wife they'd just not care that he hosts something that could wipe out millions? |
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| I'm talking about Many of Jinchuriki act independent make them an easier target. |
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