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| 10/10 simply, this anime is a masterpiece |
| I didnt liked the end,JOHAN DIE BITCH!!! |
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Echelon said: It's suggested that in the end the monster was their mother, because of the simple fact that she couldn't choose between Johan or Nina to send to that school and at the time, she couldn't tell them apart. I believe this is what made Johan snap. Exactly what I thought. I think the author wrote it so the audience could have various opinions on who the real monster is. When I saw the final flashback I thought the mother because instead of trying to escape or forcing the school to choose, she threw one away (which scarred Nina) and wasn't even sure who she threw away (which scarred Johan). What a brilliant show. |
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| :) Well, it doesn't feel like I need to say much because a lot of my sentiments have already been shared by others here. This series is a masterpiece. Best one I've seen so far. And I loved the ending... because you can interpret it in many different ways. This kind of ending is probably my favourite actually. |
| I loved the show but the last couple of episodes felt like they could of been better. Particularly the ending. I can't believe Tenma saved his life for a second time. I wish Tenma would have put a permanent bullet in Johan's head. But other than that, this show was amazing. I loved the suspense and all of the side-stories that took place through out the show. 9/10 |
| Why did Johan want Nina to kill him? |
| I think that the real Monster was their mother..first because she was using her own children as a means for revenge. Secondly because she actually did chose one of her children to save. |
| I don't favor open endings. They leave me feeling empty and hungry for more. But I can't help but think that this was brilliant. A good mysterious ending to a fitting work of art. Its brilliant, but I can't tell if I like it or not lol. A masterpiece! 10/10 |
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| I think this was one of those series that did everything right but none of it unbelievably brilliant either. As far as the ending goes it can be interpreted in many different ways, and while it wasn't the most satisfactory one I've ever seen I definitely approve of it. Overall I don't know if I'd say this is worth sitting through 74 episodes for but maybe. It's definitely not particularly anime-esque at least and that in itself makes it stand out, but I think this one does it a lot better than any other western-like anime I've seen previously (like Bebop or Baccano etc). Granted I say that without having seen LotGH quite yet (will soon though probably) so we'll see how long that title will manage to last~ 8/10 |
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| What a bloody brilliant anime. So many things to talk about! Interestingly enough, I read a book title East of Eden by John Steinbeck a few weeks back before I got started on Monster. East of Eden is the biblical retelling of the tale of Abel and Cain. Abel and Cain are both children of Adam and Eve from the Bible. One day Abel and Cain each brought their offerings to God and God rejected Cain's and took in Abel's offerings instead. In a nutshell, Cain murdered Abel in a jealous rage, lied to God and subsequently got cursed and marked for life. Now both East of Eden and Monster are fundamentally different, but I could definitely see parallels in the final episode of Monster. Some of the prevailing themes of East of Eden are the choice between Good and Evil, the importance of parental love, and the devastating effect in its absence. I think it was clear to see that Johan wasn't a Monster by nature, but he was definitely threading precariously on a thin line. The truth behind his birth, ambiguous nature of his Mother's love and the experience he had at Kinderheim 511 made the transformation complete. I think what people don't realise is that when a human being is at the stage of being a child, his personality is at its most volatile and malleable state. Johan grew up in an environment where love was absent, he wasn't given a name and his birth was a result of a human experiment. A human being with an identity and love, is he still a human being? What place would he have in this world? Ever wondered why only Hans Schuwald and Tenma managed to catch a glimpse of Johan's terrifying vistas of doomsday? Its obviously not the destruction of mankind, but rather, it was a view into complete loneliness, into world where everyone doesn't exist except him, it was the destruction of the Self. In his heydays, Hans Schuwald aspired to become a monster like Johan, he was some sort of a mythical character in Germany. When the library was burned down, he caught a glimpse of it which sent him into a temporary comatose because he found out he had people he loved. Tenma was invited to a view it when he had Johan at gunpoint. If he shot Johan, his identity as a doctor who saves lives would be destroyed with the killing of one. Johan's perfect suicide, apart from the obvious, which was to remove all traces of that "Monster", was also a complete erase of himself by someone he love. Only Tenma and Nina were given the opportunity to put a bullet through his head. Ironically enough, it took a father's love for his child to shoot Johan instead. People question why is it great, its themes alone are some of the best I've ever seen in any medium, just look at how wonderfully well-written and thoroughly researched it is, everything pieces itself together puzzle by puzzle until the final episode, and it leaves no stones unturned. And The fact it used post WW2/Cold War Europe and Germany as the backdrop for its story is just brilliance itself. I doubt Monster would have been effective had it been set in Japan or any other place in the world. I'll think of more to write later once I've gathered my thoughts. |
HitchcockerSep 24, 2014 12:21 PM
SIDJIL said: I think that the real Monster was their mother..first because she was using her own children as a means for revenge. Secondly because she actually did chose one of her children to save. There's no real monster. That's how the ending was intended to be. Everyone has a monster inside of them. One thing people don't realise is that most of the time in the anime, we don't really get to get Johan perpetrating his evil acts. He lures the monster out from dark abyss of the human soul and they commit the heinous crimes themselves. It reminds me a little of the game The Last of Us. For those who have yet to play, its a zombie apocalypse game with a great story. I had fun until the final where there's a big twist, and then I realise half of the time in the game I'm fighting against humans instead of a the damn zombies. Even the final boss was human too for crying out loud. - |
| Monster 2 - Johan starts killing again and Dr. Tenma regrets saving him, abandoning his job to chase him and kill him once again. The never ending loop. I dunno I definitely see the merit and the meaning behind what Dr. Tenma did in saving him, but then again there's really no guarantee that Johan won't kill again. Which puts them back at square one. Oh well, it was good, and very entertaining. |
| The only question I have is when Johan and Nina were children, why were they dressed the same? On the day that Nina was taken away for the experiment, why was Johan dressed like a girl? Was it because their mother didn't know the difference between them, or what? That was the only thing I found a little confusing. Oh, and Johan formed that goal of the "perfect suicide" when he was young I assume? Is that why he wanted Nina to kill him after the Leiberts were killed? |
People are strange, when you're a stranger |
| So the mother was the reason Johan thinks the only thing humans are equal in is death. |
| Watching this anime feels like my brain was raped by mindfucks. Johan is now my Perfect Husbando Material 11/10 this is now my new favorite anime |
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| Brilliant! I think the writers want the viewers to decide which really is the true monster. Is it Johan? Is it the mother? Is it the people starting that Kinderheim experiment? Is it the whole humanity? Or is there really no monster at all? Honestly, I can't even decide which one is it because right now my mind is full of fuck, and I love it. 10/10 for making me think and feel like this. |
| "Having someone saying you're okay as you are and being needed by that person... It was nice to have someone like that..." — Taiga Aisaka |
| There's only phrase for this show: an epic masterpiece. |
| I usually hate watching anything longer than 26 episodes but I watched this at a slow burn of about 3-7 episodes a day for a couple weeks and I really enjoyed it a lot. Still, I'm pretty disappointed with the last 2 episodes. After all that build up, I wanted Tenma to kill Johan. There's too many unanswered questions. I'm not really a fan of open endings. I need closure. That book, The Monster Without A Name, is it real? Or based on something? I think it'd be cool to have a kickstarter and replicate that picture book. I'd buy it. Still, I mean I get why they did what they did, but I kind of wish they would have said their names. Though if you want my interpretation, at least what came to my mind: When the mother said she gave the kids names, I was thinking "the names she gave them were Anna and Johan." |
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| Loved the series, 10/10. It was a bit slow in parts and it took months to finish the anime but I always enjoyed the episodes and man what an epic story. I love it when you can't figure everything out too fast or by yourself in one viewing. The mystery and scope is what makes this series so great. I love not understanding everything right away, especially about psychopath Johan, which is good cause I don't wanna understand a psycho like that completely! One thing I'm not too clear on is why were they both dressed up as girls as children... if someone could help clear that up? I thought Johan was going for world domination in his young adulthood at first lol! It turned so much more epic when it seemed he was erasing everyone connected to Bonaparta and himself. The real monster, another mystery. Johan still? I think he killed Nina's foster parents because he was trying to save her from them in his delusions, thinking they'd do the same as their mother as somewhat of a redemption for him. The mother for making a choice? Is Johan now off to kill his mother? lol I have no idea but I love the mystery. Klaus Poppe was a terrible monster, but somewhat redeemed by his decision to let Nina go and live a better life in that village taking care of Wim. The detective letting go of his relentless pursuit of Tenma seeing the bigger picture instead, and reconnecting with his family. Eva redeemed though not an unrealistic overly happy ending for her, you see she is still scarred. So much redemption, the drunk father, Martin, oh my! Tenma branded as a wanted serial killer STILL didn't pull the trigger at the end, and got his life back on track, what a great character! And of course the epitome, Nina who is able to overcome all her tragedy and live a happy life. Just beautiful 10/10. People who can't see the landscape of the end, the beauty and redemption in this story, are just Robertos I'm afraid. lol :p Seriously I fear there might be something psychologically wrong with you :p |
| Brilliant. Just brilliant. I think this kind of ending is perfect for Monster. It's fitting. I enjoy this anime a lot. I also get the explanation for some unanswered questions, thanks to you guys (love you <3). Overall a great ride, 10/10. I can't wait for the tv series adaptation! Go del Toro go! |
| Well the last few episodes were good since I marathoned them. Everything came nicely together but it can't explain over 40 episodes of boredom. Exetremely slow pacing. Of course the story is top-notch, maybe a bit too philosophic for my taste. Art and music were decent at best, and it's not a very old anime. Great vilain but too many periodic characters imo. 6/10, thanks to these last few episodes |
| I'm scratching my head here... Why did Tenma save Johan, a murderer who had killed countless amounts of people and psychologically broke people? Who was this "real monster" that was mentioned? Where is Johan going and what is he planning to do? Such a disappointing ending. They didn't provide any explanations for so many important details. 5/10 |
LonsolFeb 6, 2015 6:53 AM
| Aaaaaaannnnddd.... That was completely underwhelming and made no sense whatsoever. Great job Tenma, now Johan's psychotic ass is free and can do whatever he wants. I see the scene with Nina choking Gillen actually did lead to absolutely nothing. So much wasted potential. The series could have been like 40 episodes shorter honestly. So many plotlines that were either irrelevent or just lead nowhere. For me, the series died after the finale in the library with the fire. After that, there were still some cool moments like Grimmer, Martin, and Eva's storylines, but the plot just became to convoluted for it's own good and characters became complete morons. Great series for the first half, but now I feel as though I've just wasted my time |
| I'm wondering what was the meaning behind what Roberto said about Johan's plan and how Tenma would lose his name after killing Johan (Ep. 72). It's not as if Tenma had lost all those who once knew him like Wolf did (therefore losing his identity)... What was Johan's plan all about? I'd be happy if someone could answer that ^ Either way, this was a great watch. 9/10. |
ThatHandsomePalFeb 23, 2015 12:17 PM
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Harubunny said: I've purchased the book with all of Bonaparta's stories from amazon! http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4091790275?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00 How did you find that?!(Is that for real?)Is it in japanese? And did you read it already? Btw nice Giorno pic :P |
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| Amazing series, took me far too long to finally watch it. Especially liked the fact that Tenma just couldn't pull the trigger, and even went do his job, to show that he didn't change his beliefs. Though can't say I agree with the fact that every life is equal. Especially murderers. But still a 9/10. I can live with the fact that the Tenma - Johan confrontation wasn't as great as I hoped, or that we didn't see them having a conversation in the hospital, but a few things still don't sit right with me, also, it's hilarious how a mass murderer like Johan was able to escape so easily... |
| What a ride this was. |
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| omg what can i say....i'm ashamed of myself for thinking this anime was a non-supernatural death note rip off, someone kill the me that tought that, such an epic complex work of art, dud, awww so many hours watching this, so many days watching this piece, i'm just plain speechless the answer was even left up to our interpretation, come one, too epic "who is the real monster?" -no one? everyone? amazing, plain amaizing ....on a side note...my mom works with tenma XD, kinda found it funny 100/10 for this anime, i wont forget this even if i try O_O |
| Being a fan is like having a penis. Its nice to be proud of it But don't pull it out in public and wave it in other's faces Kyurem Black. Kyurem White. Together they are Pretty Kyurem. |
Zero_r2 said: How could it be a rip off of DN when it came out earlier. If anything DN is the supernatural rip off of Monster. But we both know it's pointless to discuss things like theseomg what can i say....i'm ashamed of myself for thinking this anime was a non-supernatural death note rip off |
| holy shit why i haven't watch this series before 9/10 for. time to read the manga... |
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| Awesome. Thought the ending fit the series just fine. |
| Hmm... I'm not sure how I feel about this ending. It's like everything but Johan was concluded. He was mysterious all throughout the show, and it ended with him still being mysterious. I really would've liked his motives to be explained, like why he decided to screw over that entire town. Definitely going to give it a 9/10, but only after I can fully comprehend the story. |
"You either die an Ashita no Joe, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Naruto."  |
| That was a great ride. I already read the manga and wanted to make comparisons to the anime. Still enjoyed watching it. I couldn't say no to Monster after getting into 20th Century Boys. 10/10. |
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gghelis said: I still don't get it. What was his initial goal? The "perfect suicide" thing is clear, but what it was before? Johan is a very-complex character.His motivations and goals are largely left vague throughout the anime.Its left for us to make conclusions and interpretations to Johan. We may have encounter different thoughts on Johan.So feel free of what you believe in :) What does it mean, "witness the end of the world"? What does killing old couples have to do with that? Why burn the library? What did that old half-blind rich man do to him? wubbster said: was a good anime series for sure my only complaint was that it had way to many filler episodes and the whole fairy book thing was kinda of stupid and could have been dealt with better. it made sense though i suppose. my only other complaint was i kind of wish there was more johan, every time he was on the screen you couldn't take your eyes off him he was a fascinating character. lunge turned out to be one of my favorite characters in this series as him and johan were screen stealer i enjoyed these past two weeks with monster! There are no single fillers episodes throughout the anime. All the characters are connected and its because of only a single man who is the mastermind of all,Johan Liebert. They are necessary to complete "Johan's jigsaw puzzle's past".Also the minor characters are connected in some other way i.e the old couple Dieter and Tenma met, The old man was a retired policeman and has a habit of analyzing criminals if a person is guilty or not, he told that Tenma is innocent and wrongly accused of being a murderer. He can be compared to Lunge, who strongly believes Tenma is behind of all, innocent or not just to prove he is right although at the end he apologized indirectly(I mean without looking at his eyes) to Tenma. That's what I view it. Im glad Johan is viewed as the third-person almost in the series imo.Even though he is always not there, I can feel that he is just always around Yes, Johan is fascinating, whether he is on screen, I cannot take my eyes on him. I know that something gonna happen :D Monster is Epic and Masterpiece!Truly a roller-coaster ride of experience indeed.I can say this is the one of the greatest anime I have watched so far.This anime mindblowned me until the end just like what I felt when watching Death Note.I greatly enjoyed both series, as for the themes, development I favored Monster more.Not only is the greatest imo but one of the greatest series in any show I have seen so far. Johan Liebert is indeed best anime villain of all time.I honestly cannot think anyone who can surpass Johan |
lia-sanJun 9, 2015 6:38 AM
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| "No one knows what the future holds. That's why its potential is infinite.” - Okabe Rintarou "El Psy Congroo." Kirino Kyousake Picture  |
PrettyJ said: I'm wondering what was the meaning behind what Roberto said about Johan's plan and how Tenma would lose his name after killing Johan (Ep. 72). It's not as if Tenma had lost all those who once knew him like Wolf did (therefore losing his identity)... What was Johan's plan all about? I'd be happy if someone could answer that ^ Either way, this was a great watch. 9/10. you are taking the "name" part too literally "Name" is not just a word people call you,to Jahon having a "Name" means having a place in the world and tenmas "name" is a doctor who saves lives of all people no meter who they are aka all lives are equal in his eyes.Johan wanted to put tenmas "name",being,belief to the test by forcing him to shot him and proving him wrong.He wanted his life to be taken away by someone who cherishes life the most to prove how meaningless his existence is. |
Pazuzu95May 22, 2015 3:31 PM
| Eh open ending not sure how i feel about it In the end Tenma become mercenary and joined MSF ( Militaires Sans Frontières ) |
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| I finished this serie this week. Reading some comments here I realized that maybe I have a single interpretation of the end. Sorry for my poor English. Im convinced that the last scene tell us that Johan is dead and Tenma gone insane. How? The last scene. An empty bed. I think that Tenma only believe that Johan is there and visit him, but its only in his imagination, a broken mind imagination. I try and really try to understand the last scene: Johan in coma, so he wake and make his question, so.... Tenma wake up to and Johan still in the bed. So in the end, an empty bed. NO. Nothing is real. Some points took me to this conclusion - All characters seem happy and none of them seems to worry about the fact: johan still alive. - Johan's room is not guarded by police. - Tenma refused to become a teacher and gone to voluntary around the world. It seems to be way of escape from your madness and dark old memories. So.. I believe Tenma failed in Johan's second surgery. So guilty, and the extreme runaway situation he lived made him freak out. |
| holy shit that was a masterpiece i will never forget this series. 10/10 |
alpha_shadowSep 25, 2015 9:02 AM
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| Excellent episode 5/5. I really don't mind endings like these, they give a lot of room for thought. |
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