| I hope Kikkou Shoujo will hit this fall.I'm reading a few chapter of LN and I think it is quite good. |
 Kickstarter for Rokujouma is fully funded. Good work everyone. Lets wait for the result of our hard work together. |
| I think the worst season in the past decade has to be 2006 Summer. And it is hard to beat this !!!! 6110 Honey and Clover 2 5879 Zero no Tsukaima 1883 Chokotto Sister 1670 TsuyoKisu Cool x Sweet And this is the season sandwiched between Haruhi and Code Geass. Talk about extremely bad timing.... |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| These Stalker points are related to pre-orders ? I'm curious. |
VioLink said: It was better than any battle in Fate/Zero imo. symbv said: Fate/kaleid Illya saw its sales estimate jumped by around one fifth (from 4.7k to 5.6k) after the episodes that depicted stunning battles against Caster and Saber were aired. A much deserved boost. That Archer Illya vs Saber Alter sakuga fight was amazing, it felt like I was watching Fate/Zero. 5m of nonstop fighting with awesome choreographed fight vs 2m of fighting with tons of talking in-between and lackluster choreography. Illya wins easily. |
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symbv said: I think the worst season in the past decade has to be 2006 Summer. And it is hard to beat this !!!! 6110 Honey and Clover 2 5879 Zero no Tsukaima 1883 Chokotto Sister 1670 TsuyoKisu Cool x Sweet And this is the season sandwiched between Haruhi and Code Geass. Talk about extremely bad timing.... This is the level Summer 2013 may end up like. |
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Takuan_Soho said: The question is not that obscure, at least to me because I was paying close attention to the sales trend and fan feedback at that time. The show really took off, and in a BIG WAY, together with its sales ranking, after episode 4 with the battle of Ooarai where Ooarai team slugged it out with St.Gloriana team. This is the episode that really wowed the watchers and I think it is one episode that many fans would classify as "god-tier episode". The consistent quality and increasingly intriguing story as the series progressed further pushed up the sales estimate of the show. Each time there were concerns that the peak has been reached and the next battle would prove to be underwhelming, such concerns were just blown away by the clever ideas in the story and its amazing execution. And of course as the saying goes, the rest is history. Symbv- Really obscure question: When did GuP sale's forecast really begin to take off? I know that it was originally only expected to sell 2-3K, so as the huge outlier it could be interesting to know in what week it really started to move up in the forecasts? Hoppy said: Wrong. How can the top 4 bestsellers of this season be possibly on THIS LEVEL ???? Tell me. 6110 Honey and Clover 2 5879 Zero no Tsukaima 1883 Chokotto Sister 1670 TsuyoKisu Cool x Sweet |
symbvAug 27, 2013 9:17 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Takuan_Soho said: The question is not that obscure, at least to me because I was paying close attention to the sales trend and fan feedback at that time. The show really took off, and in a BIG WAY, together with its sales ranking, after episode 4 with the battle of Ooarai where Ooarai team slugged it out with St.Gloriana team. This is the episode that really wowed the watchers and I think it is one episode that many fans would classify as "god-tier episode". The consistent quality and increasingly intriguing story further pushed the show up as the series progressed. Symbv- Really obscure question: When did GuP sale's forecast really begin to take off? I know that it was originally only expected to sell 2-3K, so as the huge outlier it could be interesting to know in what week it really started to move up in the forecasts? Hoppy said: Wrong. How can the top 4 bestsellers of this season be possibly on THIS LEVEL ???? Tell me. 6110 Honey and Clover 2 5879 Zero no Tsukaima 1883 Chokotto Sister 1670 TsuyoKisu Cool x Sweet I may have misread that since you said it was being sandwiched between Haruhi and Code Geass. |
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Yvese said: VioLink said: It was better than any battle in Fate/Zero imo. symbv said: Fate/kaleid Illya saw its sales estimate jumped by around one fifth (from 4.7k to 5.6k) after the episodes that depicted stunning battles against Caster and Saber were aired. A much deserved boost. That Archer Illya vs Saber Alter sakuga fight was amazing, it felt like I was watching Fate/Zero. 5m of nonstop fighting with awesome choreographed fight vs 2m of fighting with tons of talking in-between and lackluster choreography. Illya wins easily. I didn't really have a problem with the length of the fights and the dialogue was a big part of the show so I wouldn't complain about that. Was the choreography really that bad? I'm no fight expert but all the CQC fights in F/Z looked well thought out especially with the way they utilized magic. Anyhow, to people who read the Prism Illya manga: can we expect another battle of this scale before the season ends? (Use a spoiler tag) |
VioLinkAug 27, 2013 9:49 AM
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Hoppy said: No fooling, this is the worst season for BDs in almost a decade. It's also the worst season in the terms of merchandise since 2003, actually I think it's worse than 2003. To be honest I think this is one season where the amount of revenue physical media is pulling in kind of matches the quality and variety of offerings being peddled. Just not that much I can see worth buying. Also symbv is probably right and Kyokai no Kanata will be the big draw of fall and everything else will be lackluster cause like why would anyone in Japan ever not support Kyoani the most over anyone regardless of whether the show is actually particularly strong or not and regardless of whether other shows are actually good or in need of the revenue to support the creators. I think the lone bright spot this year has been that something like Attack on Titan still managed to do great in an era where it looks ever more like you need idols, hot male characters, grrl power or just to be Kyoani/Shaft in order to break past the 15K barrier. And the sad part is people here kind of continue to think these are great healthy numbers for this cause at least the much beloved Kyoani and SHAFT did okay with their offerings. It's just kind of pathetic look for anime as a concept at the moment and that'll continue to be my take until something changes in how hierarchically structured the consumer support looks. I'll leave it at that for this week. |
PeacingOutAug 27, 2013 9:30 AM
Takuan_Soho said: Although I tracked forecast at that time but I did not do it as systematically and organized as now so I have not kept record. All I remember is that it started quite a bit below 3k and it more than doubled within one week after ep.4 aired. And later as one great episode/battle came after another (and topped it) the sales forecast kept going up until it reached 18k when it went on sale - but of course we know at the end it sold far more than 18k. This may be too much to ask, but do you have the weekly forecasts for GuP? Or at least weeks 3,4 and 8, 10? That's a track that I want to commit to memory since it proved to be such an outlier. Thank you either way. For how much one "god-tier episode" can do to the sales ranking (and thus its sales forecast), one classic example is Madoka ep.3 and Stalker site has kept the record here: http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/html/01.html It jumped from #69 to #3 right after the episode and after that it never dropped below #20. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I just read the synopsis of Kyokai no Kanata, doesn't seem that interesting, and makes me wonder why it has no action, maybe it's just my preference for supernatural and dark anime to have some action in it. |
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| I belive that Refrain will be one of the top seller of fall show. |
| Kickstarter for Rokujouma is fully funded. Good work everyone. Lets wait for the result of our hard work together. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Wait, not your usual studio fanboy thing again. I think you have accepted that KyoAni does not really have that many fans buying whatever show it makes? All I am saying is the hype about expected sales is there but that does not equal to this definitely translating into people actually buying. Nichijou and Tamako all got similar KyoAni hype too but we already know how poor they sold. And most of those "sales expectation" hype is made by people who are not fans of the studio and not particularly inclined to buy its stuff. I am just talking about "sales expectation" which is not the same as saying there are actually a bunch of people supporting Kyoani the most over anyone regardless of whatever.Also symbv is probably right and Kyokai no Kanata will be the big draw of fall and everything else will be lackluster cause like why would anyone in Japan ever not support Kyoani the most over anyone regardless of whether the show is actually particularly strong or not and regardless of whether other shows are actually good or in need of the revenue to support the creators. And if this season's top two are made by KyoAni and Shaft, that is NOT pathetic, and not because they happen to be KyoAni and Shaft doing the shows. I would say that there are a lot more other reasons for the two shows' success and the identity of the studio is more the side consideration than any main factor for those who decide to buy the discs. I would only agree that there is a clear and entrenched hierarchy, like you seem to believe, when shows by those studios keep winning every time for whatever they make, and this is far from the case as a matter of fact. I would actually argue that perhaps the thinking should be reversed - that those studios have successful shows more often because they do things right more often (which is probably different from how things you think should be done). |
symbvAug 27, 2013 9:41 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
jmal said: To be honest, I really find it extremely hard to understand why he has to stick to his "me vs them" thinking when it comes to studio. I guess whatever experience he has been through dealing with extreme fans in western forums (who don't buy discs in the first place) must have been pretty traumatic. Frankly, zealous fan support for one studio is certainly a myth (at least when it comes to BD/DVD sales). If he cannot shake off his misguided conception, he will never truly come to understand why one show is more successful than another (which very often does not have to do with the studio).symbv, you're wasting your time on him. When has he even stopped making things up no matter how many times he's been corrected? It's no different from talking to a bippo with better grammar and much longer posts. |
symbvAug 27, 2013 9:57 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
VioLink said: Yvese said: VioLink said: It was better than any battle in Fate/Zero imo. symbv said: Fate/kaleid Illya saw its sales estimate jumped by around one fifth (from 4.7k to 5.6k) after the episodes that depicted stunning battles against Caster and Saber were aired. A much deserved boost. That Archer Illya vs Saber Alter sakuga fight was amazing, it felt like I was watching Fate/Zero. 5m of nonstop fighting with awesome choreographed fight vs 2m of fighting with tons of talking in-between and lackluster choreography. Illya wins easily. I didn't really have a problem with the length of the fights and the dialogue was a big part of the show so I wouldn't complain about that. Was the choreography really that bad? I'm no fight expert but all the CQC fights in F/Z looked well thought out especially with the way they utilized magic. Anyhow, to people who read the Prism Illya manga: can we expect another battle of this scale before the season ends? (Use a spoiler tag) Yeah its not really a spoiler if you count what type of cards been captured so far, but an epic battle |
XenoiAug 27, 2013 10:20 AM
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Xenoi said: VioLink said: Yvese said: VioLink said: It was better than any battle in Fate/Zero imo. symbv said: Fate/kaleid Illya saw its sales estimate jumped by around one fifth (from 4.7k to 5.6k) after the episodes that depicted stunning battles against Caster and Saber were aired. A much deserved boost. That Archer Illya vs Saber Alter sakuga fight was amazing, it felt like I was watching Fate/Zero. 5m of nonstop fighting with awesome choreographed fight vs 2m of fighting with tons of talking in-between and lackluster choreography. Illya wins easily. I didn't really have a problem with the length of the fights and the dialogue was a big part of the show so I wouldn't complain about that. Was the choreography really that bad? I'm no fight expert but all the CQC fights in F/Z looked well thought out especially with the way they utilized magic. Anyhow, to people who read the Prism Illya manga: can we expect another battle of this scale before the season ends? (Use a spoiler tag) Yeah its not really a spoiler if you count what type of cards been captured so far, but an epic battle Sounds good, can't wait! |
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Hoppy said: I just read the synopsis of Kyokai no Kanata, doesn't seem that interesting, and makes me wonder why it has no action, maybe it's just my preference for supernatural and dark anime to have some action in it. Going by what a magazine interview said about the first episode, there will be action. There is actually a scene in the PV with Mirai fighting someone with her blood sword and 2 monsters are shown. |
VioLinkAug 27, 2013 11:12 AM
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VioLink said: Hoppy said: I just read the synopsis of Kyokai no Kanata, doesn't seem that interesting, and makes me wonder why it has no action, maybe it's just my preference for supernatural and dark anime to have some action in it. Going by what a magazine interview said about the first episode, there will be action. There is actually a scene in the PV with Mirai fighting someone with her blood sword and 2 monsters are shown. That's good to know. |
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jmal said: Also I see kaioshin is doing his weekly bullshit spewing and making up predictions with no substance. symbv, you're wasting your time on him. When has he even stopped making things up no matter how many times he's been corrected? It's no different from talking to a bippo with better grammar and much longer posts. Maybe if I actually saw some positives trends this year I'd be less inclined to be so pessimistic about the fortunes of upcoming seasons and what it could mean for trends even further down the line. The fact that some people just write it off as those studios are just doing everything right while the others do it wrong seems like apologism/favoritism to me more than anything whereas when I look at it it just looks like a bad market with borderline incidental monopolies. It's just so typical I can't say I bat an eyelash though I think it's worth highlighting all the same. Again it's hard not to notice a correlation with people who are okay with current trends thinking everything is just swell and others who are interested in variety feeling it's a dismal look. Frankly I'm glad other people are speaking up a bit about these trends more and more each week and not being completely cowed by your insistence that if you don't accept the current market and trends that you happen to clearly like then you don't know what you are talking about and are full of shit. Frankly dude it almost looks like you're trying to control the message and the reactions to these reports under the guise of merely providing the scoop on sales at times lately. I hope that's not the case though I see no other reason for why you continually blow up on anybody that questions if it's anything other than swell news when little changes in regard to what genres can make money in a given season, what studios names can move product and whether people that don't share the same favorite genres as you can wonder if what they enjoy even has a significant future in the TV anime market cause they just can't seem to be profitable. But nope it must just be cause they aren't trying hard enough and the ones that are succeeding are just the better shows period cause god forbid anything could possibly be wrong with the way the system currently functions in the first place. :/ symbv said: jmal said: To be honest, I really find it extremely hard to understand why he has to stick to his "me vs them" thinking when it comes to studio. I guess whatever experience he has been through dealing with extreme fans in western forums (who don't buy discs in the first place) must have been pretty traumatic. Frankly, zealous fan support for one studio is certainly a myth (at least when it comes to BD/DVD sales). If he cannot shake off his misguided conception, he will never truly come to understand why one show is more successful than another (which very often does not have to do with the studio).symbv, you're wasting your time on him. When has he even stopped making things up no matter how many times he's been corrected? It's no different from talking to a bippo with better grammar and much longer posts. When the news for certain studios properties always seems to be positive and the news for others is either non-existent, bad or at best neutral it's kind of hard not to see it the way I do. Sorry I don't always believe the best quality, best effort and "best show" (terms that are all subjective by the way) are what moves product and until I see some reason I can observe other than your admittedly friendly reassurances and jmal telling me I'm an idiot (typical reaction of those that are perfectly okay with the status quo) I'm not going to be commenting terribly positively on trends or expect them to change for the better. Also symbv said: I would only agree that there is a clear and entrenched hierarchy, like you seem to believe, when shows by those studios keep winning every time for whatever they make, and this is far from the case as a matter of fact. I would actually argue that perhaps the thinking should be reversed - that those studios have successful shows more often because they do things right more often (which is probably different from how things you think should be done). Two things. One is the use of the term "winning" which is IMO part of the problem with the outlook on these things. I prefer the term success cause to me it's not about "winning", it's the idea of if something makes money and I enjoy it there's the prospect that there might be more of it? I'm not so pathetic that I feel I need to lord the success of my favorite shows over others, but it'd be nice if they do well so that I can hope to see more of the things I enjoy. Second again you aren't going to suddenly convince me that the sole reason these studios do well is because they are somehow better or more "right" than others in their approach. That's such an utterly typical way of looking at the status quo that people have just sort of come to accept it as fact and I kind of loathe it. It's no small wonder it's so hard for anything but a small select number of names to get any sort of recognition or success because the current mentality feeds into itself and basically doesn't allow that possibility to be realized in the fans minds eye. Stagnant thinking, stagnant market, stagnant trends, success for a lucky few/scraping by for many, poor prospects for the future unless you are okay with the status quo as I keep saying. symbv said: GuiltyKing said: Personally I have reservation of how well the fall season will sell. A lot depends on heightened expectation for IS2, KuroBas2 and Little Busters Refrain, and of course the usual KyoAni hype (but then we don't even know how strong this Kyoukai no Kanata is). I don't think other titles have really strong claim to be big sellers, at least not until we see more of production details or even the first few episodes.In terms of sales it's probably best to stop paying attention to summer and focus on the (most likely) gloriously selling fall season instead. Except Monogatari, that is. Simply put if this is an informed insight by someone that follows the industry closely and you've established yourself as someone who does, I put the question simply as such, how do you figure it's possible to look at that early outlook and be okay with it given the sheer variety of shows coming out this fall (http://anichart.net/fall) UNLESS you figure it's all good as long as the usual suspects do okay in generating revenue? To me that's an absolute pathetic prospect, but like I said I believe it cause that's just the way things seem to go in this industry. Hoppy said: I seen Kinmoza's rating go up as well in the Stalker ratings, hopefully it can get around 5-6k. Antanaru said: Worst BD top10 I've seen in a while. No fooling, this is the worst season for BDs in almost a decade. It's also the worst season in the terms of merchandise since 2003, actually I think it's worse than 2003. It's probably not the worst season as the news guys say, but I'll be damned if it doesn't feel like a catastrophic failing from where I'm sitting. To me it's the weakest season for anime since 2009 and has me hoping to god that something besides the expected Kyokai no Kanata can do decently next season and stop the bleeding so to speak since at first glance you'd get the impression that it could do better whereas Summer had the DoA look going in as far as I'm concerned. I'm not suggesting something has to exceed it's sales or popularity cause god knows it's all but an entitlement at this point, but it would be really nice to see more than a few shows of different stylings and genres within the same range. |
PeacingOutAug 27, 2013 12:11 PM
| 21 series increased whereas 7 decreased (unless my hasty calculations were wrong). Good to see. edit: talking about the predictions list of course |
kuuderes_shadowAug 27, 2013 11:41 AM
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symbv said: Or 2008 winter 13200 Aria3 *8728 Wolf & Spice *6892 Hakaba Kitaro *5452 Zoku Setsubo-sensei But of course even if it may not be the weakest, 2013 summer is clearly heading towards being one of the worst... Holy crap those are some hilariously abysmal figures, though I suppose the disc-buying market may have appreciated having a season to save up money. To be honest, I wonder if that is such a thing: can a string of high-sales seasons exhaust the buyers enough that the sales of the next season suffer, independent of the quality/draw of the shows in that season? |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Only when you have to ignore the bad news for certain studios and ignore the good news for certain studios can you say this. When the news for certain studios properties always seems to be positive and the news for others is either non-existent, bad or at best neutral it's kind of hard not to see it the way I do. Kaioshin_Sama said: And do you think I believe that?? Note what I said: I stated that a much better approach should be thinking what the studios do right, which is not the same as what you think they should do or what you believe to be better quality or better effort. So what you said above has little to do with what I said. At the end I see little evidence that studio loyalty moves product, which seems to be your main point, but a lot depend on other factors in the shows that fans find appealing. As I said, studio factor does not count much for their buying decision. Sorry I don't always believe the best quality, best effort and "best show" (terms that are all subjective by the way) are what moves product Kaioshin_Sama said: I chose the word "winning" because you sounded so displeased with KyoAni and Shaft being the two tops of this season. If you were complaining about something else other than the perceived continuous success of these two studios when you said "pathetic" then perhaps you could clarify what you meant. Two things. One is the use of the term "winning" which is IMO part of the problem with the outlook on these things. I prefer the term success cause to me it's not about "winning", it's the idea of if something makes money and I enjoy it there's the prospect that there might be more of it? I'm not so pathetic that I feel I need to lord the success of my favorite shows over others, but it'd be nice if they do well so that I can hope to see more of the things I enjoy. Kaioshin_Sama said: Why is it so difficult to understand a business is more successful because it does things better or it is better at making things that can sell better?? Is it so difficult to accept at least such factors could be a significant reason for its success? Saying that they do things right more often or better does not mean that the status quo will not change or it is already at its optimal state. Unseen opportunity may yet be discovered. Untapped fan's need may still be around. Fans' taste will keep changing. The fact that they are doing things more "right" or better (meaning making products that sell better, not how good it is by your or my or any artistic standard) does not mean everything is alright in the industry. As you said, there can of course be more diversity in thinking, trends and market, but this still does not invalidate the observation that, given the current market condition, even if it is really "stagnant" as you claimed, these studios are more successful because they do things more "right" or better in this condition. You can dismiss it as nothing to be proud of because to you the market is so unhealthy, and I won't argue with you over it (does not mean I necessarily agree with it, just that it is another subject of debate), but even if it is true it still does not contradict with what I said. Second again you aren't going to suddenly convince me that the sole reason these studios do well is because they are somehow better or more "right" than others in their approach. That's such an utterly typical way of looking at the status quo that people have just sort of come to accept it as fact and I kind of loathe it. It's no small wonder it's so hard for anything but a small select number of names to get any sort of recognition or success because the current mentality feeds into itself and basically doesn't allow that possibility to be realized in the fans minds eye. Stagnant thinking, stagnant market, stagnant trends, success for a lucky few/scraping by for many, poor prospects for the future unless you are okay with the status quo as I keep saying. Kaioshin_Sama said: So you are lamenting that even with much variety of shows on offer in fall, I am stating that I do not see strong sellers in them except some existing bestselling franchises? Well, this is a bit different from the "pathetic" you used when you criticized KyoAni and Shaft being the two tops of this season, no? I definitely cannot agree with any of your stubborn (and very misguided) belief that studio plays any decisive factor in fans buying decision, but if you want to use "pathetic" for my speculation that the sheer variety of fall shows do not translate to much prediction of big sellers, I can agree with you to some (limited) extent. What I would agree is that I do see a certain lack of desire to take risks which is also reflected by the fact that risk taken is often not rewarded with good sales. However I would have to add that my speculation is also based on what limited information we have now before watching any of the finished product - and we know that sales prospect can improve, sometimes drastically, after the show starts to air. So when I said I do not see big sellers except those with proven credential it is based on such caveats I made my guess. It does not mean that the season would definitely turn into another uninspiring season in terms of sales.Simply put if this is an informed insight by someone that follows the industry closely and you've established yourself as someone who does, I put the question simply as such, how do you figure it's possible to look at that early outlook and be okay with it given the sheer variety of shows coming out this fall (http://anichart.net/fall) UNLESS you figure it's all good as long as the usual suspects do okay in generating revenue? To me that's an absolute pathetic prospect, but like I said I believe it cause that's just the way things seem to go in this industry. |
symbvAug 27, 2013 12:58 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Kimi no Iru Machi has its sales estimate increased by a whopping 258% (from 2.4k to 6.2k) after the announcement of manga as an extra to its BD/DVD vol.1 This isn't a surprise, since the manga seems to be quite popular and the bonus chapter is a big draw. I wonder if this figure is from before or after the tease for the bonus chapter that was featured in chapter 240 or if it is after the announcement in chapter 239? If it is data from before chapter 240, it could go up more. (The tease was ... quite a tease...) |
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zensunni said: I know the bonus chapter is very alluring - everyone who saw the advertisement (done in manga form) should be able to tell that. But yet I would say that a rise to >2.5 times its previous sales estimate IS a surprise. I doubt you would have guessed the manga could cause such an astounding jump if you had not known it beforehand.symbv said: This isn't a surprise, since the manga seems to be quite popular and the bonus chapter is a big draw.Kimi no Iru Machi has its sales estimate increased by a whopping 258% (from 2.4k to 6.2k) after the announcement of manga as an extra to its BD/DVD vol.1 |
symbvAug 27, 2013 1:37 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Does simply being made by KyoAni guarantee high average sales? Nope: *3,759 - Tamako Market (Winter, 6 vols) 488 DVD (13%) / 3,271 BD (88%) Does simply being made by Shaft guarantee high average sales? Nope: *1,415 - Sasami-san@Ganbaranai (Winter, 6 vols) DVD (0%) / 1,415 BD (100%) A studio name alone cannot carry a show. Figures from: http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?t=111958&page=2 |
| Just a note for the post about the Stalker estimates for this season's anime sales I made at the beginning of this thread: Earlier I made a mistake in my Stalker post for the estimate of BroCon. I forgot its vol.1 has an Amazon only edition and a standard edition, so the estimate I quoted (5.7k) was substantially lower than the actual Stalker estimate, which should be 7.5k. Using the correct figure, the underestimation of Stalker turned out to be much smaller -- the actual sales is now 30% more than the Stalker estimate (instead of >70%). |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
hpulley said: Does simply being made by KyoAni guarantee high average sales? Nope: *3,759 - Tamako Market (Winter, 6 vols) 488 DVD (13%) / 3,271 BD (88%) Does simply being made by Shaft guarantee high average sales? Nope: *1,415 - Sasami-san@Ganbaranai (Winter, 6 vols) DVD (0%) / 1,415 BD (100%) A studio name alone cannot carry a show. Figures from: http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?t=111958&page=2 That season was glorious for BD news if for no other reason than because it shut the stupid Shaft/Kyoani fanboy wars up for the first half of the year, which I'm really sick of hearing about. Then this season comes along and basically reignites it as far as the western community is concerned. It's pretty irksome.... |
Kaioshin_Sama said: hpulley said: Does simply being made by KyoAni guarantee high average sales? Nope: *3,759 - Tamako Market (Winter, 6 vols) 488 DVD (13%) / 3,271 BD (88%) Does simply being made by Shaft guarantee high average sales? Nope: *1,415 - Sasami-san@Ganbaranai (Winter, 6 vols) DVD (0%) / 1,415 BD (100%) A studio name alone cannot carry a show. Figures from: http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?t=111958&page=2 That season was glorious for BD news if for no other reason than because it shut the stupid Shaft/Kyoani fanboy wars up for the first half of the year, which I'm really sick of hearing about. Then this season comes along and basically reignites it as far as the western community is concerned. It's pretty irksome.... I think you're making this studio war thing bigger than it is. |
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| Do we have any vital statistics on how the US anime editions/other regions outside Japan are selling similar to the one in mania.com? |
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| No. That data is far more expensive than anyone in the industry other than the licensing companies themselves have any money for. That goes for the USA sales at least. |
Takuan_Soho said: Not sure why would any TM fan flame you...Yvese said: VioLink said: It was better than any battle in Fate/Zero imo. symbv said: Fate/kaleid Illya saw its sales estimate jumped by around one fifth (from 4.7k to 5.6k) after the episodes that depicted stunning battles against Caster and Saber were aired. A much deserved boost. That Archer Illya vs Saber Alter sakuga fight was amazing, it felt like I was watching Fate/Zero. 5m of nonstop fighting with awesome choreographed fight vs 2m of fighting with tons of talking in-between and lackluster choreography. Illya wins easily. And don't forget the humor, I find this show very entertaining on that front as well. Not 100% sure why but it does. This show reminds me a lot of the old animation Pretty Sammi - a spin off of a series I really didn't care about, but through a parody of the maho shoujo genre you can tell that the writers really have a keen sense of humor that is unfortunately buried by the genre of the main show. Should add the caveat before I get flammed by the TM fanatics: I know Fate is infinitely better than Tenchi Muyo, just pointing it out because I love when a "franchise" goes off script. But Yvese ....Yeah that is your problem. With that logic Deen's FSN fights were also better than FZ's. And you have ALL those had lackluster choreography?? |
Meddigo said: No. That data is far more expensive than anyone in the industry other than the licensing companies themselves have any money for. That goes for the USA sales at least. So we don't have any data then? That's sad, I am hoping to see how's my favorite anime shows are doing in terms of sales in the US, oh well... It would be nice also, if we have some sort of Data or percentage on how many BD/DVD are actually imported by overseas fans. But anyway I'm very sure it would only measure in a few tens in every thousands sold. |
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| I love how you explain the sales lol. Keep it up :D |
"Your taste is shit cause you like what I hate. Believe me I have 1000 cartoons that I rated with less than 5."  |
jmal said: 出た!!! There it is again, the claim that this is about "everyone" when it's really about YOU. Not everyone or even most people who dislike the current state of anime says stupid things every week. YOU are saying stupid things every week. YOU are the one who has earned my disdain. YOU are the one responsible for the things you post, not anyone else. Three things, first other people have expressed discontent in this very thread, second define stupid things. Third I continue to find it baffling how you feel you and the like are the ones that are somehow being visited upon with grief. I can virtually guarantee you you haven't received even a fraction of the grief I have simply for having the taste in anime that I do and not being as interested in the stuff that others find utterly fascinating and like I know you don't care because you seem to lack the capacity to actually care what other people think, but that's how I see it for the record. Stop trying to find safety in numbers. Stop pretending anyone else is doing what you're doing to anything like the extent and degree of cluelessness that you're doing it. Again I honestly think I'm pretty tame compared to some people I see. If things get better, which I'm hoping they will in Fall you'll likely see a lot more positivism and less "wrong" and "stupid" positions on the matters being discussed in these threads, but you'll always be stuck with blind fanboy wars regardless. It's about you, your lack of knowledge of the industry, your mindless monotonous repetitive lectures, your martyrdom complex, your armchair psychologizing, your inability to separate individual preference from aggregate effect, and your shallow biases you wield like a baseball bat on every thread you post in. Yes how dare I have a position on the matter that doesn't subscribe to the current hegemony that feels like it's been going on forever at this rate. Everyone, my bad here, I should just blindly support the status quo and I regret my lack of cheer leading for those that already have it pretty easy as far as profiting in this business go. No, Kaioshin, this is not about "fans who are unhappy about the direction of the industry". This is very, very specifically and unambiguously about you. Try to get that through your skull one of these days. Again I can't escape the idea that you are trying to control the message here. People (or as claim just me) who aren't okay with the status quo...WRONG! Just plain wrong. Don't have any idea what we are talking about, just don't know anything about the industry or anime for that matter and everyone should just ignore what I say. How long before I get my name mentioned in a public service announcement anyway by chance? |
Bro, it's just sales, man. It's friggin statistics, calm your farm. |
| "Enhance your calm, John Spartan." Should say that to myself today LOL "Look, I'm tired of enhancing my calm." |
Beaver897 said: Bro, it's just sales, man. It's friggin statistics, calm your farm. The way I see it there's too layers to the conversation, the bad blood between me and another and the basic examination of sales and what can be derived from them. Indeed though it's probably the time for some detente so to speak as we aren't really getting anywhere. I think he's full of shit, he thinks I'm full of shit, that's kind of where it's staying at this stage until something big happens to change it. |
symbv said: 0.7k -> 0.5k Futari wa Milky Holmes Wow, they must have pulled some sort of Hayate: Can't Take My Eyes off You with this show because the first season sold like 6-7k if I remember right. |
| I always thought Winter 2013 was the worst season for sales recently. |
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Raniero said: I always thought Winter 2013 was the worst season for sales recently. It wasn't that bad, it was just Love Live took the crown, but it was well deserved, the music is platinum tier up there with Idolmaster. |
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| @Kaioshin_Sama, the problem is, what you say has zero confirmation in actual data. Anyone who knows a single thing about industry and is capable of googling sales will know that most of things you say are pure bias and irritation the industry doesn't appeal to your own, narrow-minded tastes. The people you are trying to back up your statements with fall into the same category - Western anime watchers who got introduced to medium by shows which were supposed to be popular in the West and never tried to understand how M&A is Japan. You are saying KyoAni and Shaft have dedicated fanbases who eat up anything they create. This is obviously false as proved by Nichijou and Tamako or every second show made by Shaft. What's more, it's impossible to deny Shaft's and KyoAni's shows have qualities beyond the reach of other studios (KyoAni's sakuga which you can see only in some of the movies or OVAs and Shaft's unique style which only SilverLink tried to get close to). You might not appreciate them and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it it but you CAN'T simply ignore or discredit them. Hell, before -monogatari franchise, it was safer to say Shaft's next show will flop and it still stays true as long as you exclude exceptions like Madoka and Monogatari or, to a lesser degree, Hidamari and maybe SZS which won't be continued anyway. You are saying KyoAni and Shaft are harmful to market's diversity - how is it possible when each of them makes less than 1 show per season on average and we get 20-45 shows every season? How is it possible they limit diversity when KyoAni easily shines as the pinnacle of technical quality and putting huge emphasis on direction while Shaft is by far most creative? Why don't you direct your hate at slightly less hyped studios like JC Staff (responsible for several Shana shows and a dozen of Shana-clones anime among butchering countless different franchises), PA Works (every anime is same combo of drama in SoL) or Production IG (above average sakuga and disappointing plot)? [generalizations in previous sentence, be warned] The only possible answer is seeking for attention but I don't want to believe it's true. There is no KyoAni clone (well, because no other studio is competent enough to present similar level of animation) and the only Shaft clone (SilverLink) is known for disappointing sales. Enlighten me, how are they affecting diversity negatively? I really advise you to spend a little time on rethinking your attitude instead of disregarding others' honest advices and continuing your pointless, insane crusade |
Progeusz said: You are saying KyoAni and Shaft have dedicated fanbases who eat up anything they create. This is obviously false as proved by Nichijou and Tamako or every second show made by Shaft. What's more, it's impossible to deny Shaft's and KyoAni's shows have qualities beyond the reach of other studios (KyoAni's sakuga which you can see only in some of the movies or OVAs and Shaft's unique style which only SilverLink tried to get close to). You might not appreciate them and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it it but you CAN'T simply ignore or discredit them. Hell, before -monogatari franchise, it was safer to say Shaft's next show will flop and it still stays true as long as you exclude exceptions like Madoka and Monogatari or, to a lesser degree, Hidamari and maybe SZS which won't be continued anyway. I don't deny their qualities, I'm just sick to absolute death of people beating me over the head all the time with how supposedly superior they are to everything else technically and artistically. It's unbelievably annoying and frankly something I don't happen to think is true. I respect their abilities, I refuse to all but deify them though so no it's not impossible to deny that they are oh so much better in these areas so much as they are strong in them. When you and countless others stop trying to get me to acknowledge what you assume as the god given truth and you'll probably see me ease up on pushing my positions which you probably don't happen to believe in much. That's what this is about and what people claim is solely my us vs. them mentality. Rather I see it as people complaining at me as to why I won't love and adore these same two studios everyone else practically worships at this rate and me saying because I damn well choose not to. The same as it's been for the past 7 or so years...... You are saying KyoAni and Shaft are harmful to market's diversity - how is it possible when each of them makes less than 1 show per season on average and we get 20-45 shows every season? How is it possible they limit diversity when KyoAni easily shines as the pinnacle of technical quality and putting huge emphasis on direction while Shaft is by far most creative? Why don't you direct your hate at slightly less hyped studios like JC Staff (responsible for several Shana shows and a dozen of Shana-clones anime among butchering countless different franchises), PA Works (every anime is same combo of drama in SoL) or Production IG (above average sakuga and disappointing plot)? [generalizations in previous sentence, be warned] The only possible answer is seeking for attention but I don't want to believe it's true. There is no KyoAni clone (well, because no other studio is competent enough to present similar level of animation) and the only Shaft clone (SilverLink) is known for disappointing sales. Enlighten me, how are they affecting diversity negatively? Yes people would love it that way wouldn't they, instead of criticizing the big fish go after the people that actually have some bloody ambition and are already heavily criticized on average. Absolutely and utterly ridiculous, but that's the way people seem to want it and that's why nothing ever changes. I can't even believe you just suggested this to me, but it is indeed quite revealing. As for how I think they are negatively affecting diversity, it's by showing that pandering and just rehashing the same gimmicks over and over again and having the right name on the product label is pretty much a safe bet while actually showing some ambition to do something outside the box is likely to net you a loss. Kyoani can just keep pumping out these slow paced slice of life shows and people will praise them for their artistic merit and shit on shows that actually show some ambition in their storylines and character development cause they don't look as nice (or so they forever claim), then these people turn around and expect me to somehow champion that. Then you have Shaft with it's singular director who used to be kind of avant-garde, but now says things like he just wants to make a show that will sell well and just abuses cheesy fanservice gimmicks, head tilts and bizarre backgrounds (which admittedly usually look kind of nice sometimes) to critical acclaim season after season. Together the two represent to me the absolute pinnacle of crass gutless commercialism and style and appearance over substance that if unchecked and allowed to be the sole recipient of success will doom the industry to a lack of creative passion and diversity before long. I really advise you to spend a little time on rethinking your attitude instead of disregarding others' honest advices and continuing your pointless, insane crusade See above parts about why I continue to fight people on these same points week after week. You being the prototypical fanboy that lords these names over all others and claims nobody else can match up even in this very thread are pretty much the sort of thing I'm trying to resist and point out here by the way. |
PeacingOutAug 27, 2013 6:27 PM
VioLink said: It depends on your standards really. If you're used to shounen battles then sure, it was nice. In terms of actual choreography ( e.g length of fight with no interruption - Martial Arts movies like Jet Li's Fearless and Ip Man are good examples of how fights should be ), I'd say it was lacking compared to the Illya vs saber fight.I didn't really have a problem with the length of the fights and the dialogue was a big part of the show so I wouldn't complain about that. Was the choreography really that bad? I'm no fight expert but all the CQC fights in F/Z looked well thought out especially with the way they utilized magic. Anyhow, to people who read the Prism Illya manga: can we expect another battle of this scale before the season ends? (Use a spoiler tag) ssjokg said: Err... I'll only do Lancer vs Saber since the result will be the same for all the other fights:But Yvese ....Yeah that is your problem. With that logic Deen's FSN fights were also better than FZ's. And you have ALL those had lackluster choreography?? If you want to talk more about it feel free to do so in my profile. We're getting a bit off topic here :P |
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| I agree Kaleid has much better fight than anything we ever saw in F/Z. Everything in F/Z is talking heads 80% of the time. The only exception is |
*1, 28,876 28,876 Shingeki no Kyojin vol.2 i'm one of them :P still waiting for my package. |
| Yayy~ for Free! I got scared for a second there when I didn't see it on the first list, but then I saw that it doesn't come out until September. I'm really glad this series is going to do well...hopefully we get a second season. |
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