| Those of you who like WataMote, NHK World is doing a introduction about it for its Imagine-Nation program now (I am watching it as I type - it is from 00:30 to 01:00 Japan time) and it is done all in ENGLISH !! http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/tv/imagine/index.html |
symbvAug 6, 2013 8:37 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
bippo said: And lol at railgunS. What happened. Too bad JCstaff is putting their best with the show. that's so sad |
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| The reason Genei wo Kakeru Taiyo's Opening Single - träumerei isn't on the list because it was just released yesterday? |
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symbv said: 57.5k Monogatari 2nd 14.1k Free! 6.5k Highschol DxD 2nd 5.6k Symphogear 2nd 5.3k BroCon 4.7k Fate/kaleid Illya 4.4k Dangan Ronpa 3.8k KinMosa 3.8k Tamayura 2nd 3.7k Devil and Realist 2.8k Uchouten Kazoku 2.7k Rokyubu 2nd 2.7k Servant x Service 2.5k Neptunia 2.4k Kimi no iru Machi 2.2k Rozen Maiden 2.2k Love Lab 2.2k Silver Spoon 2.1k Teekyuu 2nd 1.7k KamiNomi 3rd 1.5k WataMote 1.5k Blood Lad 1.2k Senyuu 2nd 0.8k Fantasista Doll 0.7k Genei wo kakeru Taiyou 0.7k Futari wa Milky Holmes 0.7k C3-bu 0.6k KamiNai 0.5k Kitakubu 0.5-0.7k Genshiken Nidaime *Genshiken only has DVD Box for DVD release. The 0.7k estimate counts the projected DVD Box sales while the 0.5k estimate counts only the BD sales. ??? Gatchaman Crowds (not yet available for preorder, so no prediction is made) I really hope Gatchaman Crowds do alright in BD sales. I really hope Fate gets more sales, as i am hoping for a second season.(To see child-form Gil, and girls kissing each other) Kinda disappointed, i felt Love Lab would get as much sales as Kiniro Mosiac... Fantasia Doll feels like a magical girl anime except its the dolls fighting except the girl itself. They should had aimed it at the Aikatsu or PreCure demography. The town where people rage(live) is predicted to do better than i expected. The manga just made me hate the story so much that i dropped the anime. KamiNai is a disappointment. I read some LN summaries since the the anime left me so confused. Bad adaptation in my opinion. Uchouten turned out to be a gem for me though i can see why it won't be selling as much as i want it to be. I mean the first episode was very boring, it just introduced the setting, characters, and the MC cross-dressing made him a bit annoying, but after the first episode it became much better. I really hope the predictions are wrong. |
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VioLink said: The reason Genei wo Kakeru Taiyo's Opening Single - träumerei isn't on the list because it was just released yesterday? Yeah, official release was on August 7. Sales here only cover July 29 to August 4. It should start ranking at Oricon by August 6... |
EjcAug 6, 2013 9:13 AM
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Progeusz said: Kaioshin_Sama said: They're buyer base seems to be really hard to pin down. Again things you would think would be decent sellers in an average market often seem to tank there and things you might think would never sell in an average market are smash hits. It's just bizarre to me, it never feels like creativity and vision is rewarded much when it comes to TV sales for anime, just pre-established popular names or clear appeals to specific coveted buyer audiences like Fujoshi or Idol fans for the most part. >They're buyer base seems to be really hard to pin down. >just pre-established popular names or clear appeals to specific coveted buyer audiences like Fujoshi or Idol fans for the most part You're contradicting yourself. Also, most of fujoshi shows aren't hits and Aikatsu or AKB0048 didn't amaze the market either (a shame, as AKB is one of very best 2012 shows in my opinion). Latter part of your quote is simply false. I thought aikatsu was aimes at kids though so it was never expected to sell discs so much as merch. Akb0048 I don't really know youd think it would sell on name alone. Railgun could be doing worse for a franchise in what like its 4th season overall. That's my attempt on positive spin for this week. |
Xenoi said: symbv said: 57.5k Monogatari 2nd 14.1k Free! 6.5k Highschol DxD 2nd 5.6k Symphogear 2nd 5.3k BroCon 4.7k Fate/kaleid Illya 4.4k Dangan Ronpa 3.8k KinMosa 3.8k Tamayura 2nd 3.7k Devil and Realist 2.8k Uchouten Kazoku 2.7k Rokyubu 2nd 2.7k Servant x Service 2.5k Neptunia 2.4k Kimi no iru Machi 2.2k Rozen Maiden 2.2k Love Lab 2.2k Silver Spoon 2.1k Teekyuu 2nd 1.7k KamiNomi 3rd 1.5k WataMote 1.5k Blood Lad 1.2k Senyuu 2nd 0.8k Fantasista Doll 0.7k Genei wo kakeru Taiyou 0.7k Futari wa Milky Holmes 0.7k C3-bu 0.6k KamiNai 0.5k Kitakubu 0.5-0.7k Genshiken Nidaime *Genshiken only has DVD Box for DVD release. The 0.7k estimate counts the projected DVD Box sales while the 0.5k estimate counts only the BD sales. ??? Gatchaman Crowds (not yet available for preorder, so no prediction is made) I really hope Gatchaman Crowds do alright in BD sales. I really hope Fate gets more sales, as i am hoping for a second season.(To see child-form Gil, and girls kissing each other) Kinda disappointed, i felt Love Lab would get as much sales as Kiniro Mosiac... Fantasia Doll feels like a magical girl anime except its the dolls fighting except the girl itself. They should had aimed it at the Aikatsu or PreCure demography. The town where people rage(live) is predicted to do better than i expected. The manga just made me hate the story so much that i dropped the anime. KamiNai is a disappointment. I read some LN summaries since the the anime left me so confused. Bad adaptation in my opinion. Uchouten turned out to be a gem for me though i can see why it won't be selling as much as i want it to be. I mean the first episode was very boring, it just introduced the setting, characters, and the MC cross-dressing made him a bit annoying, but after the first episode it became much better. I really hope the predictions are wrong. I think with Fantasista Doll there should've been 1. Some mild fanservice for the otaku (it really should've been slightly hotter and sexier) 2. Reworked the mobile tie in model, seriously we have to play the game to enjoy the whole series, I can't support that and I looked at the screenshots, the game sucks. From the article I read also, you're supposed to play the game along with watching this, not good. Lack of merchandise makes the third strike. The series is pretty much demanding that you play the game. Futari wa Milky Holmes selling low I'm not surprised, few like the way it went, everyone wants the gag series back and not a serious bite sized mystery. C3-Bu selling low is not good. |
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| ^ @Hoppy What you said echoes what I read in forums in Japan. Basically the anime does not know what it wants to be. It does not really need to be all-out fanservice but as you said a bit more sexiness or pumped up cuteness could have helped quite a bit. At the moment, midnight anime watchers just think the anime looks good on static character designs but in action it plays it too safe to stir interest. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
jmal said: yhunata said: Well, no Splash Free, I guess? I was expecting it to sell a lot since Rage On is also selling a lot (and it's much better than Rage On). Next week's list. Only comes out today. I knew that was the reason. I guess the timing came into play, since I saw it available for download on Gendou last night which is what confused me. P.S. No Inu to Hasami predictions? |
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Ejc said: VioLink said: The reason Genei wo Kakeru Taiyo's Opening Single - träumerei isn't on the list because it was just released yesterday? Yeah, official release was on August 7. Sales here only cover July 29 to August 4. It should start ranking at Oricon by August 6... I wonder why some sites released it 2 days earlier. Guess I will have to wait a week to see if Japan liked it as much as me. |
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VioLink said: Ejc said: VioLink said: The reason Genei wo Kakeru Taiyo's Opening Single - träumerei isn't on the list because it was just released yesterday? Yeah, official release was on August 7. Sales here only cover July 29 to August 4. It should start ranking at Oricon by August 6... I wonder why some sites released it 2 days earlier. Guess I will have to wait a week to see if Japan liked it as much as me. Well some people manage to get it even earlier (2~3 days earlier in fact) than pre-release day. It's probably to do with which retailer these customers pre-ordered the single from. This group is usually a minority though, as most get it by pre-release/release day. That's probably why it hasn't ranked at Oricon yet. |
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yhunata said: Oops, copy and paste missed it out (I have it on my draft though). I've put it back. Anyway, it is in the lower quartile at 0.7k in the company of C3bu and Genei.P.S. No Inu to Hasami predictions? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: yhunata said: Oops, copy and paste missed it out (I have it on my draft though). I've put it back. Anyway, it is in the lower quartile at 0.7k in the company of C3bu and Genei.P.S. No Inu to Hasami predictions? Kinda sad, Genei is one of my faves of the season and Inu to Hasami is also very fun to watch. Doesn't seem like Japan agrees. Oh well, at least Free! is doing well. |
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| I'm surprised RKB went down so far though, but merchandise will surely sell, I've seen the dakimakura covers, they are all borderline. I don't blame the Japanese though as it's mostly basketball and not much loli as in there is very little fanservice this season. |
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| Can't say I'm surprised by the Uchouten predictions, though I would have liked some nicer figures. I'm kind of curious about Servant x Service though, it seems to have a rather low prediction compared to Working, the original author's other work. (Which sold around 10k iirc) Any reason for that? I personally think the feel of both series is quite the same and I even slightly prefer SxS. Has it something to do with the setting? Do the Japanese consider it less funny? Or could one even consider fatigue because of aforementioned similarity? Just curious if any of you (Symbv, Jmal, whoever) might have some idea. |
*2, 7,262 *7,262 Little Busters! vol.8 Interesting. NeoAnkara said: bippo said: Though I know this will happen it just still sad.NeoAnkara said: Why Japan? Why do you not appreciating another season of KamiNomi? It is all about the manga that is successful in its own right. No one really expects the anime to sell well. Even the previous seasons. I'm still keeping up my hopes. |
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Appel_stroop said: It is not just the anime though. If you look at the manga sales, Working sells around 200k while SerSer sells around one third of it at around 70k - here fatigue of similarity may have played a role and perhaps the degree of character appeal also differs. Of course the relative size of fanbase for the original manga may not be reflected in the same way in anime disc sale, but I find it intriguing to see that ratio of SerSer predicted sales to Working's BD+DVD sales is on roughly similar scale. Perhaps given the production value is as high in Working and SerSer, the size of fanbase matters? And then there is the general weaker performance of this season when it comes to disc sales.I'm kind of curious about Servant x Service though, it seems to have a rather low prediction compared to Working, the original author's other work. (Which sold around 10k iirc) Any reason for that? I personally think the feel of both series is quite the same and I even slightly prefer SxS. Has it something to do with the setting? Do the Japanese consider it less funny? Or could one even consider fatigue because of aforementioned similarity? Just curious if any of you (Symbv, Jmal, whoever) might have some idea. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Oh wow, all the predictions for the sales are so freaking low aside from Monogatari. Looks like this season wasn't a success, welp. There are a lot of decent shows below the 1k mark.. that's pretty terrible. |
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| Disappointed that Love Lab looks likely to struggle to reach 2k, and that's with a cheapish first volume. I'm honestly surprised that Dogakobo put in so much effort and love into the animation for the show. I mean, the manga runs in Manga Home. That's like almost the direct opposite of what otaku tastes are. The show looks amazing though, and I can only hope Masahiko Ohta and the staff at Dogakobo can continue in their excellence at making slice-of-life shows despite GJ-bu and Love Lab not being successes. If you haven't seen Love Lab yet then you should definitely at least check out the first episode for all the glorious animation alone. |
17, *9,266 **9,266 Gin no Saji: Silver Spoon ED "Hello Especially" Even though it's not that bad, i really wish it would sell better. |
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tsudecimo said: Oh wow, all the predictions for the sales are so freaking low aside from Monogatari. Looks like this season wasn't a success, welp. There are a lot of decent shows below the 1k mark.. that's pretty terrible. It's not just the BD/DVD sales that's going South, the figure selection as well for Summer anime has gone South, the only summer series that have the figures I wanted that were shown at wonfes were from Ro-Kyu-Bu and Symphogear G. |
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Hoppy said: Xenoi said: symbv said: 57.5k Monogatari 2nd 14.1k Free! 6.5k Highschol DxD 2nd 5.6k Symphogear 2nd 5.3k BroCon 4.7k Fate/kaleid Illya 4.4k Dangan Ronpa 3.8k KinMosa 3.8k Tamayura 2nd 3.7k Devil and Realist 2.8k Uchouten Kazoku 2.7k Rokyubu 2nd 2.7k Servant x Service 2.5k Neptunia 2.4k Kimi no iru Machi 2.2k Rozen Maiden 2.2k Love Lab 2.2k Silver Spoon 2.1k Teekyuu 2nd 1.7k KamiNomi 3rd 1.5k WataMote 1.5k Blood Lad 1.2k Senyuu 2nd 0.8k Fantasista Doll 0.7k Genei wo kakeru Taiyou 0.7k Futari wa Milky Holmes 0.7k C3-bu 0.6k KamiNai 0.5k Kitakubu 0.5-0.7k Genshiken Nidaime *Genshiken only has DVD Box for DVD release. The 0.7k estimate counts the projected DVD Box sales while the 0.5k estimate counts only the BD sales. ??? Gatchaman Crowds (not yet available for preorder, so no prediction is made) I really hope Gatchaman Crowds do alright in BD sales. I really hope Fate gets more sales, as i am hoping for a second season.(To see child-form Gil, and girls kissing each other) Kinda disappointed, i felt Love Lab would get as much sales as Kiniro Mosiac... Fantasia Doll feels like a magical girl anime except its the dolls fighting except the girl itself. They should had aimed it at the Aikatsu or PreCure demography. The town where people rage(live) is predicted to do better than i expected. The manga just made me hate the story so much that i dropped the anime. KamiNai is a disappointment. I read some LN summaries since the the anime left me so confused. Bad adaptation in my opinion. Uchouten turned out to be a gem for me though i can see why it won't be selling as much as i want it to be. I mean the first episode was very boring, it just introduced the setting, characters, and the MC cross-dressing made him a bit annoying, but after the first episode it became much better. I really hope the predictions are wrong. I think with Fantasista Doll there should've been 1. Some mild fanservice for the otaku (it really should've been slightly hotter and sexier) Please no fanservice for the otaku. One of the great things about Fantasista is that it's a magical girl anime airing this season that isn't trying to appeal to the otaku. I admit that's pretty much THE only good thing about it, but if you took that away... no. WataMote's prediction is really, REALLY saddening. Such a fun, quirky, and relateable show too.. DanganRonpa selling around 4k.. considering the budget for the show is non existent pretty damn low, maybe it selling that much will be enough for the studio to pass it on to one that's actually capable of animating and not copying/pasting eventsa different studio for SDR2. Sales this season are just overall disappointing, save for Free. |
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ihateeveryone said: Hmm... this is why I said fans wonder if it is targeting the wrong demography and perhaps being aired in the wrong time slot.Please no fanservice for the otaku. One of the great things about Fantasista is that it's a magical girl anime airing this season that isn't trying to appeal to the otaku. I admit that's pretty much THE only good thing about it, but if you took that away... no. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
ihateeveryone said: Hoppy said: Xenoi said: symbv said: 57.5k Monogatari 2nd 14.1k Free! 6.5k Highschol DxD 2nd 5.6k Symphogear 2nd 5.3k BroCon 4.7k Fate/kaleid Illya 4.4k Dangan Ronpa 3.8k KinMosa 3.8k Tamayura 2nd 3.7k Devil and Realist 2.8k Uchouten Kazoku 2.7k Rokyubu 2nd 2.7k Servant x Service 2.5k Neptunia 2.4k Kimi no iru Machi 2.2k Rozen Maiden 2.2k Love Lab 2.2k Silver Spoon 2.1k Teekyuu 2nd 1.7k KamiNomi 3rd 1.5k WataMote 1.5k Blood Lad 1.2k Senyuu 2nd 0.8k Fantasista Doll 0.7k Genei wo kakeru Taiyou 0.7k Futari wa Milky Holmes 0.7k C3-bu 0.6k KamiNai 0.5k Kitakubu 0.5-0.7k Genshiken Nidaime *Genshiken only has DVD Box for DVD release. The 0.7k estimate counts the projected DVD Box sales while the 0.5k estimate counts only the BD sales. ??? Gatchaman Crowds (not yet available for preorder, so no prediction is made) I really hope Gatchaman Crowds do alright in BD sales. I really hope Fate gets more sales, as i am hoping for a second season.(To see child-form Gil, and girls kissing each other) Kinda disappointed, i felt Love Lab would get as much sales as Kiniro Mosiac... Fantasia Doll feels like a magical girl anime except its the dolls fighting except the girl itself. They should had aimed it at the Aikatsu or PreCure demography. The town where people rage(live) is predicted to do better than i expected. The manga just made me hate the story so much that i dropped the anime. KamiNai is a disappointment. I read some LN summaries since the the anime left me so confused. Bad adaptation in my opinion. Uchouten turned out to be a gem for me though i can see why it won't be selling as much as i want it to be. I mean the first episode was very boring, it just introduced the setting, characters, and the MC cross-dressing made him a bit annoying, but after the first episode it became much better. I really hope the predictions are wrong. I think with Fantasista Doll there should've been 1. Some mild fanservice for the otaku (it really should've been slightly hotter and sexier) Please no fanservice for the otaku. One of the great things about Fantasista is that it's a magical girl anime airing this season that isn't trying to appeal to the otaku. I admit that's pretty much THE only good thing about it, but if you took that away... no. WataMote's prediction is really, REALLY saddening. Such a fun, quirky, and relateable show too.. DanganRonpa selling around 4k.. considering the budget for the show is non existent pretty damn low, maybe it selling that much will be enough for the studio to pass it on to one that's actually capable of animating and not copying/pasting eventsa different studio for SDR2. Sales this season are just overall disappointing, save for Free. Fantasista is not selling because of it and the fanservice was desperately needed especially with the character designs but that's the least of our worries if you read the second part about the tie in to Fantasista Doll Girls Royale. |
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symbv said: 2.8k Uchouten Kazoku 2.2k Silver Spoon 1.5k WataMote 1.5k Blood Lad This really sucks.I hope it will turn out to be just a prediction. |
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iLostReason said: This prediction may yet change over the next weeks or months as more episodes come out and popularity may yet shift. However, the fundamental tone is that it is not fertile ground for sales in this season. It is best to set our expectation based on this understanding, I would say.symbv said: This really sucks.I hope it will turn out to be just a prediction.2.8k Uchouten Kazoku 2.2k Silver Spoon 1.5k WataMote 1.5k Blood Lad |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
bippo said: DraconisMarch said: Oh Watamote, where are you... It is not even on sale yet. Perhaps you obtained a pirated bluray copy?? I think you misread what he tried to say... Basically, he's saying "Where are you" in the rankings (In a sarcastic way obviously because it's there, but near the bottom because no one expected it to sell much anyways.) <- My opinion on what he said. |
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| ^ Actually I think he played along with his sarcasm and played it straight. In my opinion this can be a rather effective way to neutralize sarcasm that is not particularly well done. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
jmal said: ihateeveryone said: Sales this season are just overall disappointing, save for Free. Better than Winter, if nothing else. Winter's sales were really dismal. This season at least has two likely hits instead of one. Haganai Next could still do well for Winter I guess, but seeing as how the second volume /still/ isn't out (such an absurd delay...), we don't know. Spring and Fall make up for it tho. Last Fall was huge, this Spring is huge, and I have a feeling this Fall will be pretty big too. I'd still say winter was better cause at least you had the surprise new hit franchise of Love Live and proof positive that just being Kyoani wasnt enough to make a show like Tamako Market a hit. You need a bit more of a hook than that and thank god. Also SHAFT tried it's same old gimmicks with that sasami-san show and it didn't work out either which was refreshing. I don't celebrate their lack of success there, I just don't think it should be that bloody easy for them based on name alone when its so bloody hard for others who bust their ass for peanuts. By contrast this season is the same old people getting rich off the same old stuff while everyone else scrapes by and I just know there's a good chunk of people here that think thats just swell. As long as Shaft and KyoanI are doing well than all is fine with the industry clearly. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Actually I think for Shaft there is never guarantee that works they make will always sell. I just don't see they have the same kind of loyal fans like KyoAni and we already know that even KyoAni their fans do not just buy everything the studio makes. And to be honest, I don't see Sasami-san as being a "bloody easy" thing for Shaft to adapt and I don't see that much of any laziness in their effort to animate the show. There are things that can be called "gimmicks" in the anime but I see many of them as coming from the LN. The show never generated much expectation even before the season started - the LN is rather obscure and character designs do not have strong appeal, and if anything I would say that Shaft's effort at least managed to keep the show on the radar of quite many anime watchers instead of being neglected and not watched.Also SHAFT tried it's same old gimmicks with that sasami-san show and it didn't work out either which was refreshing. I don't celebrate their lack of success there, I just don't think it should be that bloody easy for them based on name alone when its so bloody hard for others who bust their ass for peanuts. |
symbvAug 6, 2013 12:54 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
NeoAnkara said: bippo said: Though I know this will happen it just still sad.NeoAnkara said: Why Japan? Why do you not appreciating another season of KamiNomi? It is all about the manga that is successful in its own right. No one really expects the anime to sell well. Even the previous seasons. It's time for you to stop caring about these charts. You know japanese majority have weird taste. |
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Han-yuu said: I am sure if I never tried to understand the preference of some foreigners I would find their taste to be weird too.It's time for you to stop caring about these charts. You know japanese majority have weird taste. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Han-yuu said: It's time for you to stop caring about these charts. You know japanese majority have weird taste. But their taste is what really matter to the anime industry. The chart affects what kind of anime, from what genre, to what audience, gets made. This, in turn, will alter the tastes of international viewers as well (I don't see a lot of people complain about moe these days) If you have been following the sales, you will see that certain movements, such as the explosion of female oriented shows or the increase in idol shows, are not random occurrences. |
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Han-yuu said: NeoAnkara said: bippo said: Though I know this will happen it just still sad.NeoAnkara said: Why Japan? Why do you not appreciating another season of KamiNomi? It is all about the manga that is successful in its own right. No one really expects the anime to sell well. Even the previous seasons. It's time for you to stop caring about these charts. You know japanese majority have weird taste. This is the reason why I follow the charts, it's often unpredictable like the stock and currency markets. |
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symbv said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Actually I think for Shaft there is never guarantee that works they make will always sell. I just don't see they have the same kind of loyal fans like KyoAni and we already know that even KyoAni their fans do not just buy everything the studio makes. And to be honest, I don't see Sasami-san as being a "bloody easy" thing for Shaft to adapt and I don't see that much of any laziness in their effort to animate the show. There are things that can be called "gimmicks" in the anime but I see many of them as coming from the LN. The show never generated much expectation even before the season started - the LN is rather obscure and character designs do not have strong appeal, and if anything I would say that Shaft's effort at least managed to keep the show on the radar of quite many anime watchers instead of being neglected and not watched.Also SHAFT tried it's same old gimmicks with that sasami-san show and it didn't work out either which was refreshing. I don't celebrate their lack of success there, I just don't think it should be that bloody easy for them based on name alone when its so bloody hard for others who bust their ass for peanuts. It's funny cause pretty much everywhere I see sales discussed in Western forums (which nowadays is pretty much everywhere) Sasami and Tamako were considered the odds on favorites to go number 1 and 2 in Winter. Like there was no attempt to even question whether this was a realistic expectation or not but that's what I witnessed. By "bloody easy" I meant for it to move product, not to adapt. Frankly I have still yet to be sold on the idea that genuine hard effort, passion for ones work and a solid well-received show is enough to actually turn a profit. I'm still wholly convinced it's thing like following the popular trends, having the right names attached to a work at the right time and having a pre-established fanbase that is already sold on the idea of buying a product as long as the production isn't horribly botched so yeah. I just always see it as a good thing when there's a rare sign that sales aren't an entitlement to be lost, but something to be earned instead and I felt Winter turned out to be a fairly good and rare example of that on display. |
symbv said: ^ Actually I think he played along with his sarcasm and played it straight. In my opinion this can be a rather effective way to neutralize sarcasm that is not particularly well done. Eh... I didn't think of it that way. |
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| Oh that is a sad prediction about WataMote. I thought it would have sold pretty well. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: symbv said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Actually I think for Shaft there is never guarantee that works they make will always sell. I just don't see they have the same kind of loyal fans like KyoAni and we already know that even KyoAni their fans do not just buy everything the studio makes. And to be honest, I don't see Sasami-san as being a "bloody easy" thing for Shaft to adapt and I don't see that much of any laziness in their effort to animate the show. There are things that can be called "gimmicks" in the anime but I see many of them as coming from the LN. The show never generated much expectation even before the season started - the LN is rather obscure and character designs do not have strong appeal, and if anything I would say that Shaft's effort at least managed to keep the show on the radar of quite many anime watchers instead of being neglected and not watched.Also SHAFT tried it's same old gimmicks with that sasami-san show and it didn't work out either which was refreshing. I don't celebrate their lack of success there, I just don't think it should be that bloody easy for them based on name alone when its so bloody hard for others who bust their ass for peanuts. It's funny cause pretty much everywhere I see sales discussed in Western forums (which nowadays is pretty much everywhere) Sasami and Tamako were considered the odds on favorites to go number 1 and 2 in Winter. Like there was no attempt to even question whether this was a realistic expectation or not but that's what I witnessed. . As someone who belonged to that group that had high sales expectations of Sasami-san I can tell you it really came from me being uninformed and ignorant of history surrounding the LN's popularity (in this case the lack thereof). Now that I think about I don't even think Ive seen Sasami-san's LN rank once in the weekly LN/manga rankings threads and it certainly didn't have any awards or nominations. By going by the synopsis and the first chapter alone I saw it as something the otaku market would find great interest in "A NEET otaku girl voiced by Kana Asumi in a supernatural romcom by SHAFT" (the show turned out to be quite different from this) sounded like a hit to me. However I soon realized that my preconceived notion was far of the mark. So yeah I really don't think remarks like "this will be SHAFT/Kyoani's next big hit!" should be taken seriously anymore unless they come from people with some stats, records, or info to back up that claim. And even-though it wasn't successful, Sasami-san was still my favorite show that aired that season. About Tamako, I didn't really have any expectations sales-wise but I knew it would be popular. I was surprised when I found it didn't rank that high though. |
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Kaioshin_Sama said: Well, but isn't this (only genuine hard effort and passion is not enough) also applicable to a lot of the popular entertainment media, from music to movies to fiction? And isn't it true that following popular trends and having good association with well-known figures is also a common way to turn a profit for those popular entertainment media? But instead of thinking the two must be mutually exclusive, and that the latter must be "bloody easy", I would like to think that a lot of success, even those due mainly to effort and passion, also has smart marketing and good connection to help, and I also think that even those that aim to achieve success purely by following popular trend or fame association (and Sasami-san is not really an example here) often find it is not really that "easy" to get big success. They may be able to ride on the coat-tail and get modest returns, but if you want to talk about top bestseller I doubt that would be so "bloody easy".By "bloody easy" I meant for it to move product, not to adapt. Frankly I have still yet to be sold on the idea that genuine hard effort, passion for ones work and a solid well-received show is enough to actually turn a profit. I'm still wholly convinced it's thing like following the popular trends, having the right names attached to a work at the right time and having a pre-established fanbase that is already sold on the idea of buying a product as long as the production isn't horribly botched so yeah. Kaioshin_Sama said: I don't think there is ever much of a sense of entitlement to success in anime industry. History has shown that famous franchise can easily flop when it is adapted into anime, which is why we now see studios and anime production putting good effort to make sure the adaptation is appealing, both to the fans of the original work and to newcomers. I mean, even a franchise as famous as JoJo got a lot skepticism from anime fans about its prospect of success in anime adaptation. People who did not know anything about this background could just come in and say, hey JoJo is so famous and any studio could just ride on the popularity and fame of it and it is bloody easy for it to make a profit, and he could not be more wrong. To me most of the anime aired these days contain sincere efforts that went into the production and (if there is original material) adaptation. So if they succeed the success is earned and their efforts are rewarded, but if they fail there could be many reasons: efforts misplaced, constraints by external factors, or yes the popularity trend may work against it. Indeed, some kinds of anime definitely have a lower and more disadvantaged starting line, perhaps because of the genre, perhaps because of the size of the starting fanbase. I guess you like the idea that anime could sometimes perform in contrary to its expectation (Love Live, in a good way; Tamako, in a bad way), which is very fine, but I just think that you may have drawn a conclusion that is not so accurate but rather distorted. I just always see it as a good thing when there's a rare sign that sales aren't an entitlement to be lost, but something to be earned instead and I felt Winter turned out to be a fairly good and rare example of that on display. |
symbvAug 6, 2013 10:28 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
murazrai said: Gifuu Doudou is an "air anime" as far as fans in Japan are concerned -- meaning almost no one bothers to check it and it is almost never talked about in forum. Stalker indeed tracks the DVD ranking (it only has DVD and no BD) but at <0.2k chances is its vol.1 will not rank in Oricon chart at all when it is released.I noticed something...there's no sales prediction for Gifuu Doudou!!: Kanetsugu to Keiji. How about reactions in Japan? As far as I concerned, most western viewers dropped the show, with a few feels that it is underrated. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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| Madoka! Come back, save us! ;_; |
| Good to see Aiura on the daily chart! Sad that Kotoura-san 5 is not there however :( both shipped on the same day. Hope the Stella C3 OP and ED discs, Teekyuu2 OP are doing alright... With Gifou Dodo doing nothing, is Gar dead right now or is it just that show? Fist of the North Star author, right? |
| Aiura!! wonder how much it'll sell. |
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hpulley said: I think there is plenty of Gar in JoJo?With Gifou Dodo doing nothing, is Gar dead right now or is it just that show? Fist of the North Star author, right? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: True but not to the same extent I would say. Perhaps Gifuu has taken it too far, though with all the flowing hair and oversized Buddhist rosaries the character designs may be a weird combination of Gar and some sort of bishounen, I don't know... I dropped the show immediately.hpulley said: I think there is plenty of Gar in JoJo?With Gifou Dodo doing nothing, is Gar dead right now or is it just that show? Fist of the North Star author, right? |
hpulley said: But at least JoJo has substantial Gar, right? So it is hard to say Gar is dead right now, is what I meant to say. Anyway, I never got used to Fist of the North Star artstyle although I did end up reading plenty of the manga (too much time in juvenile period).symbv said: True but not to the same extent I would say. Perhaps Gifuu has taken it too far, though with all the flowing hair and oversized Buddhist rosaries the character designs may be a weird combination of Gar and some sort of bishounen, I don't know... I dropped the show immediately.hpulley said: I think there is plenty of Gar in JoJo?With Gifou Dodo doing nothing, is Gar dead right now or is it just that show? Fist of the North Star author, right? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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