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Wordsmith said: DawnJ said: Gan_HOPE326 said: XartaX said: ^ Wait, I actually didn't think about that the footage might be bullshit within the story itself. That would actually be the only way the show can excuse itself now, by having another character directly point out that the footage has to be fabricated bullshit, precisely because it's pretty much scientifically impossible (turning a full-grown adult human organism into a space-squid). While smart tracking human vaporizing beams as the one seen in Episode 2 are SO realistic. Stop playing stupid by using 'lol u find realism in sf' bs, he's talking about plausibility. Those smart tracking human vaporizing beams aren't plausible either. So, just kick back and enjoy the show. If you can't do that and have to play the pickle in the fruit salad to have fun, the just GTF.... don't hesitate to leave. Just stop trying to argue with people who just can't seem to take feasible arguments. No matter what youw ill say XartaX will still go "LOLIMPLAUSIBLE" because he is such an expert on how humanity will be in the future tech and science wise...Trolls will be trolling and every show has its fair share of irrational rabid haters. Ncrdrg said: Seriously, where do you get that idea that the continental alliance are 'Space Nazis'?! If anything, the Evolvers are more like it. They were hell-bent on creating a "master race" through horrific experiments to survive in space. From there, I believe the Continental Union was justified in its war against the Evolvers since they were clearly forcibly turning humans into Hideauze (although some/many seem to have done this willingly). Evolvers wanted to preserve humanity via forced evolution/gene manipulation. Continental Alliance wanted to retain "PURE" humanity (sounds familiar? yeah it should, that's logic right out of Hitler's handbook) and lo and behold thousands of years latter Alliance is full of white haired purple eyed perfect condition ubermensch(clearly a parallel to Hitler's blond blue eyed "perfect german citizen" idea) living in an utilitarian sparta-like military regime , treating another species as "inferior" and justifying the war with the said species via saying they are inferior. Ncrdrg said: Any moral high ground they might have had (they didn't have much), was lost the moment they hijacked the Worm Hole Drive to continue the war. Normal humans were fleeing Earth to live elsewhere and the Evolvers wanted to use their technology to spread throughout all galaxies, making this war one of survival because the Union would not survive if the Evolvers followed them everywhere they went. In other words, the Union attempted to leave the fight to live elsewhere and the Evolvers decided to make sure this war wouldn't end until one side would lose. Letting them go wouldn't have hurt them, they could live in space after all. So as much as the Union was the initial aggressor (though they seemed justified from where I stand), they're now in a defensive war because the Evolvers decided they wouldn't let them escape the fight to live in peace. Already explained this part. Humans were leaving to EXPAND, by the time Hideauze would reach outside solar system, the glorious master-race woul dbe already prepared to "cleanse" them just like they tried before. So Hideauze chose to hitch a ride and continue the war on equal conditions instead of giving tactical and territorial advantage to the enemy and staying behind in what essentially is concentration camp. So while the REASONS behind actions of both are very understandable and survival-based, both side sof humanity were thinking in same conquest logic that dominated the world during the discovery of New World. Had Continental Alliance NOT had a HUGE hard-on on eradicated the "impure", the both species most likely would just went into different sides of space and coexisted - the term which Alliance erased from their vocabulary. Ncrdrg said: Now, it's very clear that the Alliance lost its ways big time after going into space, what's with brainwashing humans, killing anyone who's too weak to survive, etc... There's no denying that. However, we don't know if the top brass actually knows the truth to this day. So much time has passed it's entirely possible the knowledge was lost and since the Evolvers seem to have de-evolved into murderous space beasts, it's hard to say whether they still have much intelligence and self-awareness. Could a peace be brokered? I'm not even sure if that's possible since they seem to have lost their ability to communicate. But I suspect Ledo will give it a try. Alliance never HAD a way - they fired the first shots out of hatred against differently-looking part of humanity, they started the whole mess and they kept it up. AS for devolution - insufficient data to tell - its quite clear that no one in the "glorious master race" would even bother on EVEN TRYING to communicate. Hell I am convinced that "Avalon" is not even real - and the soldiers sent to Avalon are simply disposed of. witacume said: HongISfirE said: Alliance, the Hideazu Started the whole conflct by Disobeying INTERNATIONAL law so by doing that it pretty much eff their argument. Unfortunately this is the problem with a lot of ideas. You have to be patience and make your case, instead of yelling at each other and forcing your ideals.So, who is better, squid or alliance? I am sorry but not the law bullshit again - disobeying laws is not a justification for a genocide, NOTHING IS. |
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| That twist. I didn't expect something like this to be honest. To think these Wavesquids\Hideazus once were human was pretty much not what I had in mind prior to this episode, and a lot were massacred by Chamber and Ledo in this episode, even this little one that was supposed to be Elaine Matsumoto, the daughter of Ryan Matsumoto, who was the first person who succeeded the gen transformation. The underwater fight against the Hideazus was sweet to watch, and I was missing some actions prior to this episode and it didn't disappoint me. When Ledo finds out that its just another factions of humans that he has been dedicating his whole life and just shocks him is just another human trait he has, and they did it well to show that after Chamber just crushed Elaine Matsumoto in just in his palm of his hands. Otherwise a good episode, I kinda want to give this another episode or two to come with a conclusion of this plot twist so far. What also struck me is that Elaine and Amy somehow looks very alike in the term of their faces, not sure what the anime is going to do with that, but we'll see sooner or later. This is just building up for Gen UroBUTCHER's final episode of this show.  |
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| I love 2ch when they have some of the fastest working artists who know a picture is better than tons of text. And they also know what is good humor. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Urobuchi strikes again. |
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XartaX said: zlood said: Did you completely miss the fact that he didn't actually transform into a space squid, but rather used the squid body as a vessel and eventually (somehow) merged with it, thus gaining its ability to survive in a vacuum? Litrydow said: And how does this makes it possible to change a fully-grown human organism into a spacesquid? Try to give me a link about changing something major about an adult human and I'll concede (such as letting a person grow a third fully-functional arm, for instance. And no, some research growing an (non-functional as far as the rat is concerned) ear on the back of a rat doesn't really count, lol). And I mean after having grown up as a healthy human being, not from birth.Changing a person's genetics can already be done, actually. They pick the genetic code, change it in any way they want, then exchange it with a virus' DNA, and put the virus inside the body. It'll go shoving it inside cells and changing the current DNA with the new modified one. Though that doesn't explain the girl, it would be nice if you would at least pay attention to what's in the show before complaining about its plausibility. |
witacume said: HongISfirE said: Alliance, the Hideazu Started the whole conflct by Disobeying INTERNATIONAL law so by doing that it pretty much eff their argument. Unfortunately this is the problem with a lot of ideas. You have to be patience and make your case, instead of yelling at each other and forcing your ideals.So, who is better, squid or alliance? They also sounded like religious zealots thinking they need to spread their ideology of life all throughout space >_> Sorry but there's no really good side in this conflict. On one hand the Aliance wanted to trap them on earth. On the other, the Hideaz wanted to spread their idea of evolution throughout space no matter the cost. |
| Kinda sounds like Shinsekai Yori with the Queerats. Interesting development here. How's Ledo and Chamber going to treat the Hideauze now? What caused the Hideauze to start attacking humans? Things are getting interesting again in this show. |
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witacume said: Darklight0303 said: They also sounded like religious zealots thinking they need to spread their ideology of life all throughout space >_> Sorry but there's no really good side in this conflict. On one hand the Aliance wanted to trap them on earth. On the other, the Hideaz wanted to spread their idea of evolution throughout space no matter the cost. I think you misunderstand me. He asked who is better, not who is right. And my post illustrated how they are both bad. Hideaz are no victims and neither are the Aliance. They deserve each other. |
witacume said: Darklight0303 said: And my post illustrated how they are both bad. Hideaz are no victims and neither are the Aliance. They deserve each other. I guess we agree to an extent. I guess my problem is who started the conflict. People were protesting it, the evolvers needed to make their case and get people on board. Instead they force their ideals, why? you could have waited for people to accept your plan. get the people with you. The lack of patience is what causes many conflicts. Yes exactly. I was somewhat okay with the Hideauze until they started going on fanatically about how they should spread their glory to the rest of the universe like it was some kind of divine gift. |
Arlia said: Urobuchi strikes again. He only works on the episode one and twelve. |
Zyrusticae said: Did you completely miss the fact that he didn't actually transform into a space squid, but rather used the squid body as a vessel and eventually (somehow) merged with it, thus gaining its ability to survive in a vacuum? Though that doesn't explain the girl, it would be nice if you would at least pay attention to what's in the show before complaining about its plausibility. He clearly states "human genome experiments" during the interview, which means they are doing all this shit through altering a human being. Heck, a woman in the video later even straight out says "by evolving the human body itself, we can adapt to the vacuum of space" (I could go on about how calling what they're doing evolution a blatant misuse of the term, as well). And not that it matters one twit, but exactly where is it stated that he wore it as a vessel? |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
XartaX said: And how does this makes it possible to change a fully-grown human organism into a spacesquid? Try to give me a link about changing something major about an adult human and I'll concede (such as letting a person grow a third fully-functional arm, for instance. And no, some research growing an (non-functional as far as the rat is concerned) ear on the back of a rat doesn't really count, lol). And I mean after having grown up as a healthy human being, not from birth. today i'll introduce a new word for you: Fiction |
Sairyuu69 said: Arlia said: Urobuchi strikes again. He only works on the episode one and twelve. You really think he didn't play ANY part in the journey between those? You honest to god believe things would so conveniently match up with everything else before those episodes? |
JoaoZangetsu said: XartaX said: And how does this makes it possible to change a fully-grown human organism into a spacesquid? Try to give me a link about changing something major about an adult human and I'll concede (such as letting a person grow a third fully-functional arm, for instance. And no, some research growing an (non-functional as far as the rat is concerned) ear on the back of a rat doesn't really count, lol). And I mean after having grown up as a healthy human being, not from birth. today i'll introduce a new word for you: Fiction I'll introduce one to you too: suspension of disbelief. |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
DarkraiYoshi said: Oh, so they pulled a SSY. ahaha. I'm out. It's not like SSY was first to do it. |
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| Smart move by revealing the secret with a video tape record. So Ledos humanization was all for this moment then. Good stuff. |
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XartaX said: JoaoZangetsu said: XartaX said: And how does this makes it possible to change a fully-grown human organism into a spacesquid? Try to give me a link about changing something major about an adult human and I'll concede (such as letting a person grow a third fully-functional arm, for instance. And no, some research growing an (non-functional as far as the rat is concerned) ear on the back of a rat doesn't really count, lol). And I mean after having grown up as a healthy human being, not from birth. today i'll introduce a new word for you: Fiction I'll introduce one to you too: suspension of disbelief. You're not understanding, i'm not saying that the fiction internal logic can't be questioned, i'm saying that you can't compare reality to fiction to judge their logic. You can't prove that there are spaceships that travel the stars like its traveling to a city, or that right now we can generate wormholes, or that we can storage data in our brains like a hard drive, that's why is science fiction, we use theory and ideas of possibilities(and to discuss some themes like society and political problems), even if in reality that won't happen, otherwise, we won't be discussing about Gargantia right now. |
JaogetsuJun 3, 2013 11:11 AM
JoaoZangetsu said: You're not understanding, i'm not saying that the fiction internal logic can't be questioned, i'm saying that you can't compare reality to fiction to judge their logic. It became open to comparison the moment it started using real terms like "evolution" and "human genome". You can't prove that there are spaceships that travel the stars like its traveling to a city, or that right now we can generate wormholes, or that we can storage data in our brains like a hard drive, that's why is science fiction, we use theory and ideas of possibilities(and to discuss some themes like society and political problems), even if in reality that won't be happen, otherwise, we won't be discussing about Gargantia right now. That's because those things are theoretically plausible given enough time. THIS however, is not. |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| The awkward moment when you realized you were watching this show for fun, when in fact it was too dark and deep to be forgotten. |
Takuan_Soho said: And the design of these "space humans", who thought that was a good idea? Cautionary tale on human cloning and genetic manipulation. Can't argue with that, science isn't always on the side of good or particularly wise. Remember science is neither good or evil, it is merely a tool. That being said, I do not think genetic manipulation is evil. We humans are one of the few species that are specially susceptible to UV rays (have you ever seen any animal to peel their skin because they spent too much time under the sun?), we primates can't synthesize Vitamin C (unlike the rest of the fauna in this planet). Gene manipulation can fix many errors in our genome and give us many practical abilities (vision in the infrared/UV spectrum, enhanced strength, regeneration (no more scar tissue), etc, but sadly enough, after reading many posts in this thread seems about half still think that if you look even a bit different you are therefore non-human and you should be massacred like cattle, no doubt they would eat ika musume without any afterthought. |
XartaX said: He clearly states "human genome experiments" during the interview, which means they are doing all this shit through altering a human being. Heck, a woman in the video later even straight out says "by evolving the human body itself, we can adapt to the vacuum of space" (I could go on about how calling what they're doing evolution a blatant misuse of the term, as well). And not that it matters one twit, but exactly where is it stated that he wore it as a vessel? A few things: - At 17:55, he refers to their creation as a "symbiont", with all the use of that term implies. At 18:35 you can clearly see his head sticking out of the symbiont's body, and at 18:50 it has completely molded around his human body. - There are alternatives to straight-up modification of existing humans, such as growing the bodies as vessels and using technology to transfer consciousness from one body to another. Outlandish, perhaps, but the entire show has shown some pretty outlandish technology already. - The "misuse" of the term "evolution" is something you're just going to have to deal with. Language is malleable and tends to change over time depending on how people use it. This particular "misuse" of the term has actually become an accepted definition at this point in time: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/evolution - evolution (plural evolutions) 1. (general) gradual directional change especially one leading to a more advanced or complex form; growth; development 2. (biology) The change in the genetic composition of a population over successive generations. 1976, Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene: [Some books have] made the erroneous assumption that the important thing in evolution is the good of the species (or the group) rather than the good of the individual (or the gene). http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evolution?s=t ev·o·lu·tion [ev-uh-loo-shuhn or, esp. British, ee-vuh-] noun 1. any process of formation or growth; development: the evolution of a language; the evolution of the airplane. 2. a product of such development; something evolved: The exploration of space is the evolution of decades of research. 3. Biology . change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift. 4. a process of gradual, peaceful, progressive change or development, as in social or economic structure or institutions. Most people are not biologists and thus aren't going to care one wit about your particular definition of the term, so again, you're just going to have to deal with it. |
AoiMizu said: I wonder, if Hideauze is half-human, do they still got human's intelligent left in the state they are now.... They are probably BEYOND human intelligence, think about it, common octopus have their tentacles shock full of neurons, and most of their heads are also full of them. If the hideauze follow the same pattern each and every one has brains several orders of magnitude bigger. Part of it is required to move their bigger bodies and process all the info from those extra eyes, but they should be still beyond smart. But that does not stop us from eating takoyaki, does it? |
XartaX said: JoaoZangetsu said: You're not understanding, i'm not saying that the fiction internal logic can't be questioned, i'm saying that you can't compare reality to fiction to judge their logic. It became open to comparison the moment it started using real terms like "evolution" and "human genome". You can't prove that there are spaceships that travel the stars like its traveling to a city, or that right now we can generate wormholes, or that we can storage data in our brains like a hard drive, that's why is science fiction, we use theory and ideas of possibilities(and to discuss some themes like society and political problems), even if in reality that won't be happen, otherwise, we won't be discussing about Gargantia right now. That's because those things are theoretically plausible given enough time. THIS however, is not. Yes, like if you have the SAME technology and knowledge of a obvious more advanced human race that broken ethics and morals to reach the result, to prove that we can't manipulate human genome to this level. |
saifz32 said: may be the reason why whalesquids / earth's hideauzea is weak because very few whalesquids originated from human... No, the simple reason earth bound hideauze are weaker is because they have not fought any stronger enemies, space hideauze have been at constant war for centuries with the alliance and have evolved to fight against stronger enemies (mechs like chamber). |
Arqentum said: Er ... did you? Hideauze are bio-engineered - forcibly-evolved humans. If a human in front of you would became a non-speaking squid - will you still think of him as 'ningen'? I guess not. Would ou mind telling the audience exactly in what part did they stated that they forcibly evolved even ONE human being? I rest my case. |
Zeando said: "2. Definition of HUMAN we have today can't be applied to that situation and what you are doing is essentially racism" ._. cause calling a squid a squid is racist now... (or a cat a cat for that matter) I am sad that many people think like you, that if you look human it is ok (there will come the time when a human looking living organism can be bio-engineered from zero without sharing any chromosomes with humans) but if you have 99% of the same genes as a human but have one extra pair of chromosomes (Down syndrome kids have one extra non-functional pair of chromosomes, should they be considered non-humans then?) then you can be killed as cattle. |
mangamuscle said: Arqentum said: Er ... did you? Hideauze are bio-engineered - forcibly-evolved humans. If a human in front of you would became a non-speaking squid - will you still think of him as 'ningen'? I guess not. Would ou mind telling the audience exactly in what part did they stated that they forcibly evolved even ONE human being? I rest my case. Maybe my mastery of English is not as polished as yours but i am fairly sure that 'forcibly-evolved' means 'forced evolution' not 'forced to became guinea pig in the name of Evolution (for Science!)' In any case i meant the former. p.s. There is an 'Edit' button. Could come in handy. |
AshtonClaude said: can anyone explain me , they turn into whalesquid to be able to adapt to environment, such as space...but then...why they need to turn into whalesquid if normal human a.k.a galactic alliance also can survive the space without being a whalesquid ? One side had bio-enginers, the other side had physics scientists. Each one searched for an answer to vert extinction. Then politicans can in and war erupted. Then one side invented space travel through a wormwhole, but they would not share with their enemies (they are at WAR) so it is not like evolvers could say "forget out solution, theirs is simpler" |
Zyrusticae said: - At 17:55, he refers to their creation as a "symbiont", with all the use of that term implies. At 18:35 you can clearly see his head sticking out of the symbiont's body, and at 18:50 it has completely molded around his human body. Read more at http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=609103&show=380#FwfvFxFhdVywkOpW.99 I'm perfectly aware of that the show is telling us that they made an independent lifeform first (the "symbiont"), but there is still not a single sentence saying they're wearing it as a vessel/biosuit. On the contrary, from all the hints we're given ("evolution" (lol), human genome experiment, etc.) they're making it seem like they're inserting it's gene code into human beings and this somehow triggering a change (and shit doesn't work that way). - There are alternatives to straight-up modification of existing humans, such as growing the bodies as vessels and using technology to transfer consciousness from one body to another. Outlandish, perhaps, but the entire show has shown some pretty outlandish technology already. Read more at http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=609103&show=380#FwfvFxFhdVywkOpW.99 Wait how is this relevant to anything I said? Are you trying to say that they transferred their conciousness into the symbiont? No shred of evidence for that, and as you pointed out we can still see his freaking head, hilarious as it might be. - The "misuse" of the term "evolution" is something you're just going to have to deal with. Language is malleable and tends to change over time depending on how people use it. This particular "misuse" of the term has actually become an accepted definition at this point in time The general definition even says "gradual", derp. Dawkins one is the correct one, though. And obviously we should be going by the biological definition because they are using biological terms themselves (e.g. human genome). Most people are not biologists and thus aren't going to care one wit about your particular definition of the term, so again, you're just going to have to deal with it. You mean the standard definition of the term. JoaoZangetsu said: Yes, like if you have the SAME technology and knowledge of a obvious more advanced human race that broken ethics and morals to reach the result, to prove that we can't manipulate human genome to this level. Ugh, it's not that we can't manipulate the human genome that is the issue (I never said we can't). I guess this discussion is going over your head. Do you have any experience with biology? |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
KaiserNazrin said: Chamber sure is a convenient robot, he can read data from storage device without even plugging it in. How does that even work? If you read this article you will see that with modern technology you can read an old vinyl-like audio recording without physically touching it, so it is not as far-fetched as it might sound at first. |
GomiNoUmi said: My random predictions for the future: Ledo wants to stop killing the Hideauze but Chamber works like the Galactic Alliance wants and continues to slaughter them. Chamber doesn't approve of Ledos resistance and decides to treat him as a traitor. Then Chamber becomes the final boss of the series and Ledo and the rest have to defeat him together with the Hideauze to establish peace and co-existence. :D Ummm no. They would not be able to defeat Chamber. That is just impossible. The only way for Ledo to win would be if he knows some shut down sequence to use if your ai gets out of hand, otherwise they would be screwed. |
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XartaX said: Zyrusticae said: Ugh, it's not that we can't manipulate the human genome that is the issue (I never said we can't). I guess this discussion is going over your head. Do you have any experience with biology? The process is direct involved with this, and, no, this ad hominem will not work with me. |
XartaX said: Nope, that's not enough of an excuse to break known theories to THIS extent. It's like people arguing for religion. Sure you can't 100% disprove the existance of a higher being, but I refer to Russel's teapot. The chance of this kinda development being possible is so close to nil that it can be dismissed out of hand as bullshit. Basically the null-hypothesis. I dsagree, you are no different from Bill Gates (who worked on the field) when he said there would never be need form more that 1024 kilobytes of RAM in a computer. Oh,and I refer to Clarke's first law. |
mangamuscleJun 3, 2013 12:42 PM
JoaoZangetsu said: The process is direct involved with this, and, no, this ad hominem will not work with me. No offense but I don't even know what you're saying anymore. Ad hominem means a personal attack, by the way. mangamuscle said: I dsagree, you are no different from Bill Gates (who worked on the field) when he said there would never be need form more that 1024 kilobytes of RAM in a computer. Uh, no. Bill Gates never said it would never be possible to go past 1024 kb RAM, and that'd be the only way that comparison would hold any kind of water. |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
XartaX said: The only time they reference the human genome is during a straight-up propaganda piece, so I'm not going to put much stock in that. I'm perfectly aware of that the show is telling us that they made an independent lifeform first (the "symbiont"), but there is still not a single sentence saying they're wearing it as a vessel/biosuit. On the contrary, from all the hints we're given ("evolution" (lol), human genome experiment, etc.) they're making it seem like they're inserting it's gene code into human beings and this somehow triggering a change (and shit doesn't work that way). Their use of the term evolution is so loose that you really can't get anything out of it other than "we are overcoming our limitations as a species", whether that is through bionic fusion or what-have-you. XartaX said: I was using that specifically to explain the humanoid-looking squid girl as an alternative to them somehow modifying her existing body. Of course there is no evidence of that, but then there is also no evidence that they actually transformed her old body to create her. Wait how is this relevant to anything I said? Are you trying to say that they transferred their conciousness into the symbiont? No shred of evidence for that, and as you pointed out we can still see his freaking head, hilarious as it might be. XartaX said: It doesn't matter. The context is clear and obvious. There is nothing to argue about here because they are obviously referring to evolution in a general sense and not the biological "gradual change over hundreds of generations" definition. The general definition even says "gradual", derp. Dawkins one is the correct one, though. And obviously we should be going by the biological definition because they are using biological terms themselves (e.g. human genome). Arguing semantics like this is a sign of a small mind. I really suggest you drop the subject. |
Deleth said: Colson said: Simple summary: There was a faction of humans, who researched the human genetics. The goal was to artificial evolve the humans. -> Faction: Evolver When it became clear that a devastating ice age will begin, the evolvers began to manipulate the human genetic to be able to live and travel in space. The main opposing faction are something like the united force of countries, against the Evolvers. The started the war against them. So the Hideauze are the evolved humans. And Ledos people are the aggressors, who started the war against the Evolvers in the past and continued till the present time. That is also why the baby Hideauze in the nest, resemble human baby, because they are humans. Or lets say: half humans. Actually, even if the "normal" humans started the war, they had ample reasons for it. If the Evolvers started turning humans left and right it became a war of survival that was forced onto them. Because if the Evolvers would've had their way, the real humanity would've ceased to exist. "Started turning humans left and right" I saw at no instance where they turned people who didn't want to be turned. In fact it looked like the UN were attacking them when they had offered no war like tendencies. They were literally just doing experiments on themselves. Many might not like that but it should be their right to do what they want with themselves. |
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Arqentum said: Maybe my mastery of English is not as polished as yours but i am fairly sure that 'forcibly-evolved' means 'forced evolution' not 'forced to became guinea pig in the name of Evolution (for Science!)' In any case i meant the former. p.s. There is an 'Edit' button. Could come in handy. You are grasping at straws, if you read the definition you should understand that forcibly means "by use of force" and saying this was "forced evolution" would be no different to saying that using your car is "forced travel" since it would not have moved unless a human had made it to, it is at best unnatural use of the language. |
XartaX said: mangamuscle said: I dsagree, you are no different from Bill Gates (who worked on the field) when he said there would never be need form more that 1024 kilobytes of RAM in a computer. Uh, no. Bill Gates never said it would never be possible to go past 1024 kb RAM, and that'd be the only way that comparison would hold any kind of water. Resisting to understand what I meant to forcibly resist a position that contradicts yours. Boring. |
| mind fuck!!! Hideauze were once human!! epic episode with many revelations, hope it keeps up the pace. |
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| lol @ people bashing science fiction genre by comparing it to real life scientific paradigms |
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