uzu-dragons said: Already explained about the clubs. They're very limited in access and don't promote open discussion (since you'd have to invite everyone, and then they'd have to accept). I like the second idea, mind if I throw it into the OP?I don't see why those topics of discussion can't stay to clubs.. but if something like this were to be implemented I'd rather have an 18+ message board. That way users can gain access (along with a warning message or whatever), and then see all the threads in one place and choose which ones to visit from there. uzu-dragons said: Well, it's only limited to clicking on the thread, not to specific links. Plus, you could have an option saying "disable 18+ warning". Your second point could be countered with the first one; just toss everything into an 18+ board and hide visibility/access to those <18 and guests.Otherwise clicking on links and getting a warning/Are you sure? message each time would become annoying real fast. Granted, that could be easily gotten around by having some kind of 18+ icon by the title of thread to warn users instead, but personally I wouldn't want to see anything of the like on the forums... after all, these boards aren't made for "mature" topics in the first place, and seeing them would give users the wrong impressions. |
| Btw, Mellow, do you have your old sig hiding somewhere still? |
MellowJello said: Already explained about the clubs. They're very limited in access and don't promote open discussion (since you'd have to invite everyone, and then they'd have to accept). I like the second idea, mind if I throw it into the OP? Well, it's only limited to clicking on the thread, not to specific links. Plus, you could have an option saying "disable 18+ warning". Your second point could be countered with the first one; just toss everything into an 18+ board and hide visibility/access to those <18 and guests. I know, I read it. But personally, I'd rather that they stay to those special clubs, since the forums is already a site that's meant to be generally SFW, and 18+ topics would heavily contradict that. And by links, I meant the thread titles lol. Anyway I don't mind; I meant to suggest it as another alternative. |
PricklySmickey said: Wah, yeah I have it. I just cleared it for the time being to bring attention to this suggestion, since it looks like not many people look in this board.Btw, Mellow, do you have your old sig hiding somewhere still? Since replies are coming in quickly lately, I guess quoting seems too much of a hassle. @Paul I wish I were around for that. That way I could have some better perspective. But is it the layout's fault or the community for making those shitstorms? I don't want to go into a debate over this (especially since I haven't been on as long as you have), but it's a question I'm wondering about. @uzu-dragons Thanks for the feedback. It'd be nice to see if users want to see 18+ content or not (anyone else reading this, I'd appreciate your opinion!). This suggestion simply enables it. And I'll be including that alternative soon enough! |
| In regards to any "this isn't the place for mature topics", this is still a community and those topics are bound to happen. It's just a shame when a serious discussion topic is locked because it is deemed "inappropriate". At least this suggestion would stop those discussions being locked. |
| I'm pretty sure most webhosting does NOT allow 18+ material to be on your site, so MAL may need to change who they use to do this which could be a pain in the ass for something so insignificant. Though, clearly with the site breaking every single night around midnight for like 5 hours, they need better servers anyway. Also, while many use adblocker anyway - almost NO advertisers want to be associated with websites that have 18+ material. Just look at what a pain moot goes through to find a very small few who are willing to advertise on 4chan. They'd also have to add a lot of disclaimers - not just for those threads, but for the website as a whole, as it does contain adult content at that point and the warning just before a thread wouldn't suffice. |
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MellowJello said: Np!@uzu-dragons Thanks for the feedback. It'd be nice to see if users want to see 18+ content or not (anyone else reading this, I'd appreciate your opinion!). This suggestion simply enables it. And I'll be including that alternative soon enough! TallonKarrde23 said: I'm pretty sure most webhosting does NOT allow 18+ material to be on your site, so MAL may need to change who they use to do this which could be a pain in the ass for something so insignificant. Though, clearly with the site breaking every single night around midnight for like 5 hours, they need better servers anyway. Also, while many use adblocker anyway - almost NO advertisers want to be associated with websites that have 18+ material. Just look at what a pain moot goes through to find a very small few who are willing to advertise on 4chan. They'd also have to add a lot of disclaimers - not just for those threads, but for the website as a whole, as it does contain adult content at that point and the warning just before a thread wouldn't suffice. This crossed my mind too, but then I disregarded it since I don't see any ads and therefore figured it wasn't an issue.. ^^" But anyway, last year AnimeTake completely banned all NSFW content on their message boards for exactly that reason; as I understand it, they were in jeopardy of losing advertisers to support their site. On a separate note, I never have server problems like those (losing connection for hours) on here. |
uzu-dragons said: This crossed my mind too, but then I disregarded it since I don't see any ads and therefore figured it wasn't an issue.. ^^" But anyway, last year AnimeTake completely banned all NSFW content on their message boards for exactly that reason; as I understand it, they were in jeopardy of losing advertisers to support their site. On a separate note, I never have server problems like those (losing connection for hours) on here. There are ads all over the site if you turn off ABP, so I think that'd actually matter to Xinil and whoever else helps keep the site up. As for the server problems, it usually happens around midnight to 4am, and it's bitched about a lot in the support forums. It was just a side note anyway, so don't focus on that too much. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: This might be the winning argument here. I don't think I have anything to counter that, since MAL needs a host and 18+ content could jeopardize that (despite its presence here already). Personally I use adblocker, so I don't see any ads. But yeah, you got me. It's up to mods now to see if they have a say about it.I'm pretty sure most webhosting does NOT allow 18+ material to be on your site, so MAL may need to change who they use to do this which could be a pain in the ass for something so insignificant. Though, clearly with the site breaking every single night around midnight for like 5 hours, they need better servers anyway. Also, while many use adblocker anyway - almost NO advertisers want to be associated with websites that have 18+ material. Just look at what a pain moot goes through to find a very small few who are willing to advertise on 4chan. They'd also have to add a lot of disclaimers - not just for those threads, but for the website as a whole, as it does contain adult content at that point and the warning just before a thread wouldn't suffice. |
| Okay. You got me. I'll take a bite. The incentive: I came for the picture, stay for the discussion. Or was it, the other way around? Edit: Yes, I meant the mods and admin. |
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TookMe6Years said: Not.. quite sure this is an argument, but I'll answer it anyway.Okay. You got me. I'll take a bite. The incentive: I came for the picture, stay for the discussion. Or was it, the other way around? Edit: Yes, I meant the mods and admin. Come for the picture ("oo look another 18+ thread wonder what's in it"), stay for the discussion ("clearly there's something wrong with this sort of sexual act"). Dunno what the edit was about, sorry. Although a certain mod has revealed clues about his preferences... |
| So, any mods have seen this thread so far? Sounds unlikely... |
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Hederick said: They might be contemplating what to do, or just be ignoring the thread. Either way I've stirred up enough attention to be 4 pages of response!So, any mods have seen this thread so far? Sounds unlikely... And if they do ignore it, then I'll be a sad puppy. |
MellowJello said: Hederick said: They might be contemplating what to do, or just be ignoring the thread. Either way I've stirred up enough attention to be 4 pages of response!So, any mods have seen this thread so far? Sounds unlikely... And if they do ignore it, then I'll be a sad puppy. me 2 ill be a sad sad puppy :( |
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MellowJello said: And if they do ignore it, then I'll be a sad puppy. I wonder what that makes Immahnoob then :s |
 Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
Tavor said: MellowJello said: And if they do ignore it, then I'll be a sad puppy. I wonder what that makes Immahnoob then :s A sad... noob. *cough* Try to keep this suggestion thread serious guys. |
| So that means I can't hide my age if I want to see these threads. Oh well. |
p2kEddie said: So that means I can't hide my age if I want to see these threads. Oh well. Depending on what direction the mods take this suggestion (see edits), you can still hide it. All you have to do is accept the "I am okay with whatever 18+ content is within this thread" pop-up/page/agreement and go in. If they decide to create restricted threads though, yeah I guess not... |
| I'm kinda tempted to post a NSFM gif right now and get THIS thread locked. LOL. |
PricklySmickey said: I'm kinda tempted to post a NSFM gif right now and get THIS thread locked. LOL. No. I don't want to see a sad MellowJello and all this go to waste :( |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
Tavor said: PricklySmickey said: I'm kinda tempted to post a NSFM gif right now and get THIS thread locked. LOL. No. I don't want to see a sad MellowJello and all this go to waste :( Tavor said: PricklySmickey said: I'm kinda tempted to post a NSFM gif right now and get THIS thread locked. LOL. No. I don't want to see a sad MellowJello and all this go to waste :( This serious discussion about being able to freely post NSFM gifs is driving me crazy. How can you guys act so mature about this when we're talking about, well- NSFM STUFF! |
| Me being serious? Depends how the mod takes it. There really isn't much for me to say. Back to my half-ass post. If such a proposal, was to be pass. Will the majority of thread be posting picture or discussion thread? The reason, is because if such a section exist, and the majority incentive is just picture thread or discussion thread, then there really isn't any point. The next part is where will this new section fit? Under General invisible, Anime & Manga (assuming Hentai), or others. The Edit part, let just say I have past experience with incompetent moderator. But let's just leave it at that. |
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| I'm temped to post a storm of yaoi, dismemberment, and rape pictures. |
| I'll support this idea in exactly 4 months and 5 days. |
| Another round of replies... whoo~ @PrickleySmickley I could probably ask a mod to just delete it, but please don't anyway... As for acting mature @TookMe6Years It's up to the users to decide where to take it. This suggestion just gives them the freedom to make it, but not what to do with it. As for where, that can either be left to mods, or as the suggestion says, in a separate board (which may be hidden from guests/ <18 users). OR, were Immahnoob's suggestion were to be taken (creation of a junk board), then an 18+ chat thread could be made. @onedaysnotice Ha. But also bummer ): |
MellowJello said: Another round of replies... whoo~ @PrickleySmickley I could probably ask a mod to just delete it, but please don't anyway.. As for acting mature {MY RESPONSE} You got my name wrong. No such word as "prickley". It's Prickly. And Smickley sounds stupid. I mean, stupider than Smickey. and also- who cares about dis. just wait for -- to return. |
SavageSmickeyJan 20, 2013 8:01 PM
PricklySmickey said: Whoops, I got a double name mispell joke fail. Boo.. Nice spoiler gif by the way.MellowJello said: Another round of replies... whoo~ @PrickleySmickley I could probably ask a mod to just delete it, but please don't anyway... As for acting mature You got my name wrong. No such word as "prickley". It's Prickly. And Smickley sounds stupid. I mean, stupider than Smickey. and also- who cares about dis. just wait for -- to return. As for his return, well the point of this suggestion is to encourage more open discussion. The counting games were fun because having random people pop in and say things while counting was a neat little way to chat. Confining ourselves to a club to... count, is just absurd. Regardless of the counting/gif threads, this suggestion should be looked at. Whether for spam threads or for serious discussion, it's a valid (at least I think so) suggestion. |
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MellowJello said: As for his return, well the point of this suggestion is to encourage more open discussion. The counting games were fun because having random people pop in and say things while counting was a neat little way to chat. Confining ourselves to a club to... count, is just absurd Who says we're just going to be counting? ;) @aintnoponyexpress Sorry, bro. But you're not an OG from the 9000 count thread. |
SavageSmickeyJan 20, 2013 8:57 PM
PricklySmickey said: MellowJello said: As for his return, well the point of this suggestion is to encourage more open discussion. The counting games were fun because having random people pop in and say things while counting was a neat little way to chat. Confining ourselves to a club to... count, is just absurd Who says we're just going to be counting? ;) *cough* Haven't run into anymore difficult arguments. Sweet. Since I failed to include a poll, voicing your approval/disapproval would be excellent. |
| ...I approve. NSFW content becomes hilarious for casual chat. On a side note: Sad to see the GIF war thing and counting thread locked, but oh well. |
| I'll gladly be member of that secret society Club. Being realistic, this +18 public thing, is Very Unlikely to happen :( We'll have to wait to some mod, post his opinion here. |
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| I, Shittin'Smickey (new username?) approves of this. And so does Ariana. Anything Ariana approves of is legit. Hmmm... perhaps the mods will reconsider knowing that Ariana is on our side? |
| Ooh, a lot of arguments. A nice read. :D If we generate enough of a storm, maybe this will pass. But has sth like this in the suggestions section EVER been passed? |
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| I type NSFW... sometimes... other times I just cross my fingers and hope the mods miss it like they usually do. Actually, why cross it out -- mods, you know your own deal... Basically, I just assume MAL is 18+ and type however the fuck I fucking like to. No problem with it yet, and 4 letters is no skin off my back. I don't see this as much of a big deal at all. NSFW |
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katsucats said: Well, that is depressing as hell. Looking at your post in the "bring back GD" thread (not relevant to this but whatever), it's pretty obvious some things in MAL need fixing.I type NSFW... sometimes... other times I just cross my fingers and hope the mods miss it like they usually do. Actually, why cross it out -- mods, you know your own deal... Basically, I just assume MAL is 18+ and type however the fuck I fucking like to. No problem with it yet, and 4 letters is no skin off my back. I don't see this as much of a big deal at all. Anyways, while you appear to get away with posting whatever you like, that doesn't speak for everyone. But thanks for your observations regardless. I'm going to take a guess and say your position on this suggestion is between indifferent and disapprove, correct? |
MellowJello said: I'm indifferent; I see no difference. The only content that gets people banned seem to be pornography. The mods can't make up their minds what to enforce anyways, so what do you think an 18+ board will solve?I'm going to take a guess and say your position on this suggestion is between indifferent and disapprove, correct? A better question: What kind of content do you consider 18+? I've seen every kind of thread here ranging from rape to incest to someone admitting picking up a prepubescent girl on MAL. The only thing missing is nipple shots, I couldn't give a damn. If I wanted to watch porn, I'd go to pornhub. |
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katsucats said: MellowJello said: I'm indifferent; I see no difference. The only content that gets people banned seem to be pornography. The mods can't make up their minds what to enforce anyways, so what do you think an 18+ board will solve?I'm going to take a guess and say your position on this suggestion is between indifferent and disapprove, correct? A better question: What kind of content do you consider 18+? I've seen every kind of thread here ranging from rape to incest to someone admitting picking up a prepubescent girl on MAL. The only thing missing is nipple shots, I couldn't give a damn. If I wanted to watch porn, I'd go to pornhub. Well, this whole thing kinda spawned...I guess from the Count to 9000 thread, where people were posting NSFM gifs and all that. It was funny as hell, but people got banned, and from then on, making another counting thread was restricted. |
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katsucats said: Fair enough. It might not solve anything, or might be a small step towards encouraging discussion. We won't know until something happens. They can always revert the change if we abuse it.MellowJello said: I'm indifferent; I see no difference. The only content that gets people banned seem to be pornography. The mods can't make up their minds what to enforce anyways, so what do you think an 18+ board will solve?I'm going to take a guess and say your position on this suggestion is between indifferent and disapprove, correct? katsucats said: 18+ content is content NSFM (going by their definition of what "isn't safe for MAL"). As far as I know, that includes yaoi/yuri kissing (even non-sexually explicit) now. And yes, this isn't a porn site. But that doesn't mean we should be forbidden from discussing topics about it.A better question: What kind of content do you consider 18+? I've seen every kind of thread here ranging from rape to incest to someone admitting picking up a prepubescent girl on MAL. The only thing missing is nipple shots, I couldn't give a damn. If I wanted to watch porn, I'd go to pornhub. @Hidden_Joker: Yeah that's about the gist of it I'd say. First, our inability to hold casual chat anywhere was displayed (we were counting, but chatting as well), and then because... I guess of our own stupidity we started throwing up NSFM material. So far the tally is 4 counting threads locked, 1 deleted, and 1 gif thread locked. |
MellowJello said: We're not really forbidden from discussing yoai/juri. I doubt even posting a picture of kissing would get you banned unless it was too sexually charged. Otherwise, monty1/moose1 would be banned for posting pictures of 9 year old girls in swimsuits, and DanielCook would be banned for posting a bunch of random pictures of girls.katsucats said: 18+ content is content NSFM (going by their definition of what "isn't safe for MAL"). As far as I know, that includes yaoi/yuri kissing (even non-sexually explicit) now. And yes, this isn't a porn site. But that doesn't mean we should be forbidden from discussing topics about it.A better question: What kind of content do you consider 18+? I've seen every kind of thread here ranging from rape to incest to someone admitting picking up a prepubescent girl on MAL. The only thing missing is nipple shots, I couldn't give a damn. If I wanted to watch porn, I'd go to pornhub. Let's test: NSFM |
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katsucats said: Indeed; I want to know myself. Mod activity has been incredibly wonky lately, with some people in forum games getting banned while others weren't; and we were all there to see it.Let's test: NSFM At any rate, this'll hopefully speed up mod response. *patiently waits* |
Hidden_Joker said: I wonder if a mod took a look at this thread already. Bet koleare already did. Seconding this, but he probably didn't say anything after seeing how many people agree with op. |
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weakwithwords said: 2013-01-21T18:50:04+08:00 Does it really have to be in the main forums? Threads in age-restricted secret clubs can't be viewed by non-members. 2013-01-21T18:54:54+08:00 Well, a club only has a limited number of people commenting. It's more fun when random people drop by and participate in the convo. What's with your white text? |
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weakwithwords said: 2013-01-21T19:04:35+08:00 Hidden_Joker, Hmm, is there a maximum number of members for clubs? ^,^' With a sufficiently large number of members, say in the tens of thousands, everyone's going to be more or less a stranger. ( Those are just starting and ending timestamps. ) 2013-01-21T19:08:44+08:00 I dont think there is a maximum member limit. It's just that it will be a secret club, which means we have to invite our own members. Which means we will be inviting only people we know. It's not as easy for a new random person to chime in on the convo. |
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| Go to hongfire if you're that excited about porn. |
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Deserada said: Go to hongfire if you're that excited about porn. Why does everyone think this is for porn? |
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Hidden_Joker said: Deserada said: Go to hongfire if you're that excited about porn. Why do everyone think this is for porn? Besides mods could still delete the threads if they weren't leading to discussions. It's not like the 18+ threads would become without rules. |
Hidden_Joker said: Knee-jerk reaction I suppose. Deserada said: Go to hongfire if you're that excited about porn. Why do everyone think this is for porn? I told you it'd turn into a shitstorm :P |
| Here to add my support for the idea. EDIT: But in my experience admins don't usually love "dangerous" idea like this; ideas that include more effort and some hazy perception of risk. Hopefully though, you guys here at MAL have it good with decent mods/admins & get to make this happen. Easiest, I think, would simply be a subforum, maybe off the casual discussions or something. Goodluck with the progressive idea! |
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