neurogal91 said: Downgrade355 said: Yes the anime will sell poorly because the audiences for the LN and anime are different, the people reading the LN are reading mainly for the plot and such, since it's mostly text, while the anime depends on many other factors, the animated mindfucks and some ehh... "unappealing" content will likely put off many viewers, while it isn't that big of a deal in the LN because it's just text and very brief. All in all, an award winning-novel doesn't mean it sells or will sell, the LN and Anime are different in many things, it won't even come close to SAO because that's just on a whole different level and targets wider audiences, it doesn't have the extreme settings and contents SSY has and it's pretty original. the characters are aslo very likeable. I think you misunderstood me. The discussion here seems to said that it alright that the anime sales flop because the novel sales what's matter, in other words 'anime that exist to promote the novels/manga'. While there are many shows like that (the Fall shoujo anime, shonen, Hyouka, Chihayafuru etc) Shinsekai Yori isn't an anime like that. It was adapted because it was a great novel. Take SAO or Horizon for example. Even before the anime it's already considered as one of the most popular LN in Japan; A-1 and Sunrise knew adapting them will be a great success and they were right. It's the same with Shinsekai Yori, it was already a popular and great novel so A-1 adapted the novel just to get poor sales. That's why I meant that anime sales is the only important matter here, not the novel sales. Whether or not that was the reason for the adaptation, that's what has happened. The novel has received a very significant sales boost, whereas the anime is going to sell poorly. Does it actually make a difference whether or not that was the intended outcome? That's a genuine question by the way. It's just I would have thought that the result is more important than the intended result. Take it the other way. If a typical shounen release, intended to boost sales of merchandise and manga ended up not giving many sales to said products, but instead produced spectacular anime sales, would it be seen as a failure? While I can see it as being perfectly possible, I would have thought that they would celebrate the unexpected (?)* success that happened rather than ignoring it in order to focus solely on the intended success that never materialised. *This ? is here because I still think that the sales boost to the novel was at least as important as the anime sales right from the start of the project. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| SAO still pretty strong and i'm happy for VIP |
neurogal91 said: I think you misunderstood me. The discussion here seems to said that it alright that the anime sales flop because the novel sales what's matter, in other words 'anime that exist to promote the novels/manga'. While there are many shows like that (the Fall shoujo anime, shonen, Hyouka, Chihayafuru etc) Shinsekai Yori isn't an anime like that. It was adapted because it was a great novel. Take SAO or Horizon for example. Even before the anime it's already considered as one of the most popular LN in Japan; A-1 and Sunrise knew adapting them will be a great success and they were right. It's the same with Shinsekai Yori, it was already a popular and great novel so A-1 adapted the novel just to get poor sales. That's why I meant that anime sales is the only important matter here, not the novel sales. Yeah i completely understand what you meant, but i was kind of trying to explain why the anime was a failure in terms of sales. |
| Nothing interesting this time. Only Uta Koi (my fav anime of summer) and about Sword art online I think is getting boring. |
j0x said: also good to see Guilty Crown... im in the minority that likes that show Thought the same thing. |
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kuuderes_shadow said: hpulley said: Downgrade355 said: Tyrel said: Ah I see because when I looked on the rankings here it never showed up for LN sales, since it's considered a Novel. If it did that well, then that's pretty damn good. It did good i believe, Ecchi content's rather strong from what i've seen though lol. I bought all three novels myself. Each has done at least 500k in sales since the anime came out, over one billion yen in sales. Where are you getting that figure from? ... Sorry, I think it is ~150K each, not ~500K each. Total of almost 500K for all three volumes. My poor tired brain got it mixed up. Gomen, Gomen... |
phoenixalia said: mistress_kisara said: Well compared to the other shows this fall its actually quite good yes, Fall is really nice. lots of nice anime. but most of the anime I'm watching this season will fail in sales OTL But one thing is there though. The budget for Kamisama is way lower than Sukitte and Kaibustu-kun. Anyone who watches the anime can see that. So hopefully that means something.... you placed your hope in wrong anime shoujo/josei anime rarely sells unless they have lines of Bishounen with BL or BL bait spiced all over it in fact you should be grateful that Tonari no Kaibutsu didn't end up like Natsuyuki Rendezvous in term of sales number (but probably sukitte will) |
articuzwolf said: you placed your hope in wrong anime shoujo/josei anime rarely sells unless they have lines of Bishounen with BL or BL bait spiced all over it in fact you should be grateful that Tonari no Kaibutsu didn't end up like Natsuyuki Rendezvous in term of sales number (but probably sukitte will) Hahahaha wat. Honey and Clover is fairly realistic and it sold pretty well. the whole "it must have Bishounens or BL bait" crap is an old MAL misconception. Shoujos sell better in manga format, they rarely do good in anime format, but they're definitely top sellers in manga, unlike your Bishies and BL. |
Downgrade355 said: articuzwolf said: you placed your hope in wrong anime shoujo/josei anime rarely sells unless they have lines of Bishounen with BL or BL bait spiced all over it in fact you should be grateful that Tonari no Kaibutsu didn't end up like Natsuyuki Rendezvous in term of sales number (but probably sukitte will) Hahahaha wat. Honey and Clover is fairly realistic and it sold pretty well. the whole "it must have Bishounens or BL bait" crap is an old MAL misconception. Shoujos sell better in manga format, they rarely do good in anime format, but they're definitely top sellers in manga, unlike your Bishies and BL. Honey and Clover was also pre Moe boom which happened around Haruhi time. Air a show like that nowadays and I doubt it gets the same sales. Look at the difference between the two series that just aired one year apart... 1st Series (2005) - 21k first volume 2nd Series (2006) - 7k first volume It would be even worse now. |
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RyanSaotome said: Honey and Clover was also pre Moe boom which happened around Haruhi time. Air a show like that nowadays and I doubt it gets the same sales. Look at the difference between the two series that just aired one year apart... 1st Series (2005) - 21k first volume 2nd Series (2006) - 7k first volume It would be even worse now. Doesn't prove his point though. |
| @phoenixalia Sekaiichi and junjou are pretty much the top selling BL's, haven't seen them go higher than 160-180, unless i'm missing out something. on the other hand, KnT and Bokura ga ita sell up to 1-2 mil along with other shoujos that sell 100-500k on average, big difference. The reason being that Shoujo has a wide variety of readers, especially KnT and Bokura ga ita, they deliver romance that both genders of all ages can enjoy, but then again, many shoujos can be enjoyed by anyone. i should also note that there are more non-otaku people who read manga than the otaku who do (the otaku here applies to both genders). so that's that. |
| Glad to see Yuru Yuri doing well. They need to announce season 3 already! Only other noteworthy title on there for me is Chuunibyou's ED. <3 that song. Everything else was pretty much expected. |
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Downgrade355 said: articuzwolf said: you placed your hope in wrong anime shoujo/josei anime rarely sells unless they have lines of Bishounen with BL or BL bait spiced all over it in fact you should be grateful that Tonari no Kaibutsu didn't end up like Natsuyuki Rendezvous in term of sales number (but probably sukitte will) Hahahaha wat. Honey and Clover is fairly realistic and it sold pretty well. the whole "it must have Bishounens or BL bait" crap is an old MAL misconception. I believe I clearly used term rarely to avoid these kind of nitpicky argument...yes H&C is probably one of that rare kind since you know it was last aired around 6 years ago LOL |
articuzwolfNov 27, 2012 9:20 AM
phoenixalia said: Wait, is this true? What the actual fuck. And then you got SAO sitting up there on its porcelain throne.Sniff.... Don't mind me, I'm just gonna go to my pathetic corner of woe and brood about Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun's worse than I thought sales. Sigh, and to think the first volume was even discounted. The BD will probably get 900 copies or so. At the very least, put together, it'll at least get 1.5k. I'm so sorry, Brains Base. You did such a wonderful job and yet.... *broods* SMH. |
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| sad that sao is up there,, but not shocked |
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There just ain't no stopping GirlPan. |
LunaNov 28, 2012 12:21 AM
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| Sometimes I think that companies are just going to stop making shoujo animes. They never sell very well. I'm not really into shoujo mangas or animes, but Tnk was one of my favorite animes this season. I even read the manga of it. I think that animes adapted form otome games sell better than shoujo animes adapted from shoujo mangas . I mean Hakuouki (1st season) and Uta no Prince sama had good sells, and I have not doubt that Anmesia and Brother Conflict will sell good when those come out. On a different note, I'm happy to see Kuroko no Basket on here. I just wish they would make a second season already. |
| SAO lol. Golden age of anime -> owari |
| Waiting impatiently for the announcement of Kuroko no Basket season 2. Sad to see Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun selling so poorly its one of my favorites of the season. -___- Lets Go ED and V.I.P are amazing songs glad those sold well. Also what is is the first volumes of Ixion DT going to be released and what is their estimated sales? |
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD" |
Roloko said: Also what is is the first volumes of Ixion DT going to be released and what is their estimated sales? It releases December 5th, and Stalker has it projected at about 1600 sales if you combine the DVD and BD numbers. I doubt BD will ever chart so it'll likely end up under 1000 on the Oricon charts. |
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| And one more thing kuuderes_shadow said: Are there some numbers for this? Next week we have three new series: One off - looking like it is going to do surprisingly well. But than it's Slice of Life done by Junichi Satou and they often/always sell quite well. Still good result here is a good thing :) |
Dalek-baka said: And one more thing kuuderes_shadow said: Are there some numbers for this? Next week we have three new series: One off - looking like it is going to do surprisingly well. But than it's Slice of Life done by Junichi Satou and they often/always sell quite well. Still good result here is a good thing :) Stalker says 3471 blu-ray, 526 DVD. Not hit-territory, but better than I would have expected, especially as on a cost/minute basis it's just about the most expensive anime of the season. |
kuuderes_shadowNov 27, 2012 1:06 PM
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| Japan has shitty tastes, what else is new? Tonari should be near the top though, it is a great rom-com, better than that piece of garbage SAO. |
PoeticJustice said: Japan has shitty tastes, what else is new? Tonari should be near the top though, it is a great rom-com, better than that piece of garbage SAO. Indeed, but its more like its hardcore otaku and their obsession with moe and fanservice, if you you go out of their niche environment (late night anime series, disc sales they dominate), threre is still some hope for a brighter future..... :) |
9988 said: PoeticJustice said: Japan has shitty tastes, what else is new? Tonari should be near the top though, it is a great rom-com, better than that piece of garbage SAO. Indeed, but its more like its hardcore otaku and their obsession with moe and fanservice, if you you go out of their niche environment (late night anime series, disc sales they dominate), threre is still some hope for a brighter future..... :) Don't forget that nearly everything that airs on a seasonal basis is also niche. My Little Monster airs in a late night timeslot just like a Sword Art Online or Girls und Panzer. The problem is that the niche its trying to appeal to doesn't buy anime. The only shows that don't have to deal with late night are generally long running battle shonens, kids shows and mainstream shows like Sazae-san. |
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RyanSaotome said: Downgrade355 said: articuzwolf said: you placed your hope in wrong anime shoujo/josei anime rarely sells unless they have lines of Bishounen with BL or BL bait spiced all over it in fact you should be grateful that Tonari no Kaibutsu didn't end up like Natsuyuki Rendezvous in term of sales number (but probably sukitte will) Hahahaha wat. Honey and Clover is fairly realistic and it sold pretty well. the whole "it must have Bishounens or BL bait" crap is an old MAL misconception. Shoujos sell better in manga format, they rarely do good in anime format, but they're definitely top sellers in manga, unlike your Bishies and BL. Honey and Clover was also pre Moe boom which happened around Haruhi time. Air a show like that nowadays and I doubt it gets the same sales. Look at the difference between the two series that just aired one year apart... 1st Series (2005) - 21k first volume 2nd Series (2006) - 7k first volume It would be even worse now. Yes, before SHITTY MOE boom good series sold well, you did not need shitty antics (moe, fanservice, bishounen, yaoi) at all to sell, nowadays only tat crap sells now. RyanSaotome, as someone who has said in ANN that you will buy chuunibyou, good that you indirectly acknowledge the damage shitty moe boom has done to anime... GOOD ANIME. RyanSaotome said: 9988 said: PoeticJustice said: Japan has shitty tastes, what else is new? Tonari should be near the top though, it is a great rom-com, better than that piece of garbage SAO. Indeed, but its more like its hardcore otaku and their obsession with moe and fanservice, if you you go out of their niche environment (late night anime series, disc sales they dominate), threre is still some hope for a brighter future..... :) Don't forget that nearly everything that airs on a seasonal basis is also niche. My Little Monster airs in a late night timeslot just like a Sword Art Online or Girls und Panzer. The problem is that the niche its trying to appeal to doesn't buy anime. The only shows that don't have to deal with late night are generally long running battle shonens, kids shows and mainstream shows like Sazae-san. Yes, which is probably one reason you should not judge Tonari no kaibutso on disc sales. Take the example of Chihayafuru! Even among late night anime, NOT ALL aim for HARDORRE FANS. I am glad that some anime (morning, evening, midnight anime) wont be altered by hardcore fans, you can also add Noitamina, that still holds well despite its proximity to late night anime and that as a result of what you pointed out before, its still going, heres hoping this current era is over before it get the timeslot in trouble, because eras inevitably end and preferences change no matter what, I will cling onto that possibility, if next one is good or not I can only hope. rederoin said: It seems space brothers, Horizon and Yuru yuri are selling enough BD's for them to continue those series, i'm glad to see that. Although you actually meant, Yamato, Uchuu Kyoudai does not need disc sales, its about ratings, and they are AWESOME. Many anime are not about disc sales, remember that well...feels good to say this. |
9988Nov 27, 2012 1:43 PM
jmal said: Y'know, doesn't look exceptionally different to me! Since 2005: 78,671 - Bakemonogatari 71,057 - Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica 59,887 - Nisemonogatari 48,571 - Fate/Zero 46,146 - Macross Frontier 45,366 - Code Geass R1 43,883 - K-On 42,690 - Code Geass R2 41,037 - Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu 39,385 - K-On!! 39,352 - Kidou Senshi Gundam 00 35,287 - Sword Art Online 34,601 - Kidou Senshi Gundam 00 S2 34,116 - Angel Beats! 33,812 - IS -Infinite Stratos- 31,523 - Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae wo Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai 30,899 - Persona 4 29,146 - Lucky Star 27,829 - Tiger & Bunny 26,047 - Fate/Stay Night 25,459 - The iDOLM@STER I would argue it does look pretty different. Back in the first half of the decade, the top heavy shows focused a lot more on mecha and other kinda action shows. Now, not only have the sales gone up tremendously overall, but most of the higher ranked stuff have mainly cute girl casts. Out of the top 10, only shows that don't have mainly female casts are Fate/Zero and Code Geass. To me, that shows that there is a lot more importance put on having attractive female characters then there was before the Haruhi time. |
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| What a surprise, people arguing about their favorite shows selling less than their non-favorite shows. Same shit happens nearly every week there's a big release. If you don't like the #'s you see for your favorite shows, then put your money where your mouth is. Go out and import your favorite shows instead of bitching about how stuff like SAO sells. News flash: fans of SAO actually went out and bought copies! What a concept! But no, instead we have foreign communities where 99.9% of posters pirate their anime and then bitch about their shows not selling. Rofl. |
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RyanSaotome said: wow it's actually doing well, i love girls und panzer but i expected it to bombThere just ain't no stopping GirlPan. |
VylashNov 27, 2012 4:53 PM
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PoeticJustice said: Japan has shitty tastes, what else is new? Tonari should be near the top though, it is a great rom-com, better than that piece of garbage SAO. But Tonari also isn't that good(better than SAO, but thats not hard to do). Vylash said: wow it's actually doing well, i love girls und panzer but i expected it to bomb To be honest, I also expected the series itself to be shit. |
Yvese said: What a surprise, people arguing about their favorite shows selling less than their non-favorite shows. Same shit happens nearly every week there's a big release. If you don't like the #'s you see for your favorite shows, then put your money where your mouth is. Go out and import your favorite shows instead of bitching about how stuff like SAO sells. News flash: fans of SAO actually went out and bought copies! What a concept! But no, instead we have foreign communities where 99.9% of posters pirate their anime and then bitch about their shows not selling. Rofl. THIS. I'm sad that Tonari isn't selling well, but we don't have the right to complain.. |
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9988 said: I wouldn't call ranking of Space Brothers AWESOME it's good and that's fine.Yes, before SHITTY MOE boom good series sold well, you did not need shitty antics (moe, fanservice, bishounen, yaoi) at all to sell, nowadays only tat crap sells now. RyanSaotome, as someone who has said in ANN that you will buy chuunibyou, good that you indirectly acknowledge the damage shitty moe boom has done to anime... GOOD ANIME. But that part is interesting... sooooo are you importing some series to support creation of series that don't go with SHITTY MOE? Some merchandise buying? Manga (afaik this convinced them to give second season to Chihayafuru)? Any other way to tell people doing this stuff that SHITTY MOE is not the most important part of series (except writing on a forum about which they, probably, don't give a flying intercourse)? |
| I prefer SAO over Tonari, so no big surprise. I think people have grown hate for SAO because of its popularity and think it's unfair. And of course, there's those who didn't like the anime not even on bit. |
Yvese said: What a surprise, people arguing about their favorite shows selling less than their non-favorite shows. Same shit happens nearly every week there's a big release. If you don't like the #'s you see for your favorite shows, then put your money where your mouth is. Go out and import your favorite shows instead of bitching about how stuff like SAO sells. News flash: fans of SAO actually went out and bought copies! What a concept! But no, instead we have foreign communities where 99.9% of posters pirate their anime and then bitch about their shows not selling. Rofl. I totally agree with what you are saying but you r missing one thing here: Only a small percentage of people actually import the DVDs. Even then, the one or two DVDs we do buy don't really help. In the end it depends on the Japanese fans buying the DVDs for the sell to go up. Fans over SAO brought the DVDs and BDs but the majority was Japanese fans. It doesn't matter if we think an anime is good or not, it all depends if the Japanese fans like it enough or not. |
kaykenner54 said: Yvese said: What a surprise, people arguing about their favorite shows selling less than their non-favorite shows. Same shit happens nearly every week there's a big release. If you don't like the #'s you see for your favorite shows, then put your money where your mouth is. Go out and import your favorite shows instead of bitching about how stuff like SAO sells. News flash: fans of SAO actually went out and bought copies! What a concept! But no, instead we have foreign communities where 99.9% of posters pirate their anime and then bitch about their shows not selling. Rofl. I totally agree with what you are saying but you r missing one thing here: Only a small percentage of people actually import the DVDs. Even then, the one or two DVDs we do buy don't really help. In the end it depends on the Japanese fans buying the DVDs for the sell to go up. Fans over SAO brought the DVDs and BDs but the majority was Japanese fans. It doesn't matter if we think an anime is good or not, it all depends if the Japanese fans like it enough or not. But not buying them certainty doesn't help either. Each single fan, foreign or not, contributes an equal amount by buying the BD(directly from the company behind the anime). 1 single won't contribute much, that is true. But that goes for everything. |
| You could always be like those crazy idol otaku and buy like 100 of each BD |
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Dear Production I.G, Please announce KuroBas season 2 in the near future. Thank you. |
Vanilla23 said: damn tonari... i so want it to have a second season, its only the first volume so i hope it will sell more... I guess we should buy it then! Sukitte too... If one more copy will help then I will import them from amazon.co.jp -- expensive but what the heck... |
| It's nice to see Thermae Romae up there. :) |
| What the hell.I expected Tonari to sell like crazy, and then hear about second season in near future.Me sobs. |
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| not surprise about the top |
phoenixalia said: itsvero said: Dear Production I.G, Please announce KuroBas season 2 in the near future. Thank you. its not gonna happen with that tyrant who hates kurobas on the loose. Twenty events or so have already been cancelled. He even sent a letter telling the company not to air a second season. until he's caught, we won't get a second season. Is that really such a big deal? I'll have to send some headhunters after this guy if he keeps me from getting KuroBas season 2. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
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