| @Messy That seems a little over dramatic to me. Someone is taking it much to personally. That is just over glorifying the work. You can do to interviews and be humiliated in any field. Sorry the article you posted was a joke. I will say it again, the people are in the wrong however that does not make the work worth the boycott. An author wrote this series and I would like for their sake for it to do well. You know when a work backfires that it all falls on the original author and I do not think they deserve it. |
Suzune-chanSep 1, 2012 8:28 AM
 Where there is no imagination there is no horror. || Arthur Conan Doyle || Happy Halloween! |
j0x said: one less moe moe anime out there lol You haven't watched Kokoro Connect, have you? Merushi said: Isn't this just like the candid camera humor you all laugh about as well? Candid camera humour doesn't generally involve tricking someone who's looking for work in an industry where good job opportunities may not come around too often by offering him a bogus role weeks before publicly humiliating him. |
Suzune-chan said: That seems a little over dramatic to me. Someone is taking it much to personally. I will say it again, the people are in the wrong however that does not make the work worth the boycott. An author wrote this series and I would like for their sake for it to do well. You know when a work backfires that it all falls on the original author and I do not think they deserve it. Sure thing about the author, but it's not like we can say "hey other people are going to be affected so let's just do nothing" No, for once japanese otakus can do something and protest against it with their boycott. The author won't gain as much money but hey, it was going to sell like shit anyway, and people are not stupid enough to think that the novel is bad. So yeah, maybe some people will lose money but honestly, if it can prevent further bullying that could result in suicide, I don't care. Just the fact that Ichiki was in depression because of it makes me mad. |
Messy said: You see it all the time on mal and author has to apologize because their series did not do well. Personally, I do not want the poor authors named ruined because of something that other people did. You are only thinking about the voice actor that had the trick played on him. Think of the other people involved. Authors need a livelihood too.Suzune-chan said: That seems a little over dramatic to me. Someone is taking it much to personally. I will say it again, the people are in the wrong however that does not make the work worth the boycott. An author wrote this series and I would like for their sake for it to do well. You know when a work backfires that it all falls on the original author and I do not think they deserve it. Sure thing about the author, but it's not like we can say "hey other people are going to be affected so let's just do nothing" No, for once japanese otakus can do something and protest against it with their boycott. The author won't gain as much money but hey, it was going to sell like shit anyway, and people are not stupid enough to think that the novel is bad. So yeah, maybe some people will lose money but honestly, if it can prevent further bullying that could result in suicide, I don't care. Just the fact that Ichiki was in depression because of it makes me mad. It will not do shit for the bullying. There will always be bullying. The best thing they can really do is never offer the people who did it a job again. |
Where there is no imagination there is no horror. || Arthur Conan Doyle || Happy Halloween! |
Suzune-chan said: @Messy That seems a little over dramatic to me. Someone is taking it much to personally. That is just over glorifying the work. You can do to interviews and be humiliated in any field. Sorry the article you posted was a joke. I will say it again, the people are in the wrong however that does not make the work worth the boycott. An author wrote this series and I would like for their sake for it to do well. You know when a work backfires that it all falls on the original author and I do not think they deserve it. It seems that you don't know the extent of how Japanese "humiliation" and "bullying" works in their country... |
| @chococya96 you are right I do not however that was not the point of my post to talk about the incident. It was just to say that this kind of behavior affects other not just the voice actor who was involved, or the industry it affects the original creator too. And they live and die also by how well a series does. |
Where there is no imagination there is no horror. || Arthur Conan Doyle || Happy Halloween! |
Suzune-chan said: You see it all the time on mal and author has to apologize because their series did not do well. Personally, I do not want the poor authors named ruined because of something that other people did. You are only thinking about the voice actor that had the trick played on him. Think of the other people involved. Authors need a livelihood too. It will not do shit for the bullying. There will always be bullying. The best thing they can really do is never offer the people who did it a job again. But you don't understand. The mastermind behind this was the Producer behind "Kokoro Connect" and it also involved some of Silver Link's staff. The reason why they are boycotting the anime is because if they support the anime, they'll support the producer, in which, the producer will think that it's okay to publically humiliate a B-rated seiyuu. That's why the boycott is to make a statement that humiliating someone is NOT okay! Did you watch the video? You can literally see the moment Ichiki's soul was crushed when he realized that he WASN'T getting a new role and was made into a PR monkey instead. Seiyuus already have lousy pay... imagine a B-rated seiyuu. AND he need to travel all over Japan to promote "Kokoro Connect" ON HIS OWN WALLET. The negative effects of this incident includes: Boycotting of Kokoro Connect merchandises (sans the LN, so if you want to support KC, you but that.), Terashima, Kanemoto, Star Child Records, King Records and Kitamura merchandises. Unfortunately for the author, this incident will forever be known as the Kokoro Connect incident Why was Eri Kitamura involved? Here's the full version of the story: http://pastebin.com/Pu2hADMc |
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Suzune-chan said: You see it all the time on mal and author has to apologize because their series did not do well. Personally, I do not want the poor authors named ruined because of something that other people did. You are only thinking about the voice actor that had the trick played on him. Think of the other people involved. Authors need a livelihood too. It will not do shit for the bullying. There will always be bullying. The best thing they can really do is never offer the people who did it a job again. Seriously ? The author's name is not ruined. If there are cases when they apologize it's because the adaptation or original version was crap. Some might argue that it was the case here but it's irrelevant. People that are boycotting don't think badly about the author at all And yeah, the sales will go from bad to very bad, it's not like it was Sword Art Online or Horizon that was going too sell bad, it's a bad selling anime that is going further down And while you wish that bullying will go away, some take action. Wait actually you don't, you think that there will always be bullying so we've got to close our eyes and hope for the best (how cute). We've got to send a message to the whole sector that if they do the same thing, they will suffer from bad sales too. For that you need an example, which is Kokoro Connect |
His comment regarding this incident was he finds it ironic that those who enjoy bullying people on the internet(2ch) are trying to defend someone being bullied. I would say that it's one more prove (not that we need any more of those) for permanent hypocrisy of Internet. But it's amusing to see as always - not on scale of Kony 2012 but still. So come on be the just ones! Let's spam some innocent bystander with photos of our dicks. Still what author of book has to do with it? He sold rights to making it and that's all (unless there are some other ways of doing it in Japan) he won't be dealing in how series is made, as probably he has no idea about it. |
Dalek-bakaSep 1, 2012 9:38 AM
| This show was subpar to say the least and I could care less for a second season. But this incident really did take things a bit too far. |
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| Well frick, I was really enjoying this show. I hope they don't cancel it or anything before the first season ends. Dont think I would really care if they make a second season though, would feel like its dragging it on to long at that point. |
 If you really want to fit in, just put Legend of the Galactic Heroes in your top 5 and have it be the only 10-rated anime in your list. |
Poor Ichiki. ;__; |
| It makes me sick to believe adult people did this kind of thing. I shouldn't have any harsh feelings against Kokoro Connect, but after this, I don't I'll be able to watch this in with a positive mood. Well, I certainly hope their careers are fucked. |
| It's really a bad joke to spit on someone's dream. It would be great to have one of the two male voice actor involved replaced by the victim of the joke. I hope they will learn this lesson of life. Bullism don't get you anywhere in real world. It serves no purpose, but I'll lower my vote for this. It was 9/10, I really like it, but I'm a bit angry for this thing. |
kratos_aurionSep 1, 2012 1:51 PM
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| Way to stay classy. I won't be feeling bad about streaming this anime illegally now. |
| I'm still on the fence whether to keep watching the series or not. I don't actually think the idea of the prank itself was bad enough to elicit such an enormous backlash (I'm only talking about the basic idea of telling someone they "won" something when they didn't, not the dubious choice of victim or the execution, which was effed up on so many levels). I could even imagine another person being able to laugh it off. However, when Ichiki obviously didn't take it well, that's when they should at least have considered that the prank wasn't such a good idea after all and apologized. What did they do instead? Keep ridiculing him and saying all kinds of nasty things. I like the series, but I'm not sure I want to be reminded of the people who think humiliating another person like that is funny every time Yui, Aoki or Taichi open their mouths. What I'm definitely going to do is deleting anything related to the Kokoro Connect anime off the list of things I was going to get later this month (save for the novels). No use in giving people like that part of my money. |
cupcakedreams said: Am I the only one here that doesn't really like this show much?! Anyway, I feel really bad for the guy. What they did to him was very cruel, and to post it online was even worse. However, I agree with others that many people (mostly hardcore fans and Anime holics) are insanely overreacting. I can't say I'll be 'boycotting' the works of the studio or VA's, but I certainly won't be looking at them the same way. +1 to everything you said. Just a thing about the second paragraph makes me think, though - how often does this kind of shit happen behind the scenes and we don't even find out? It took us two months to get to this one. It's insane. I just want the three or four people involved to apologize to the victim, and to Kitamura (who apparently got her own personal shitstorm without having done anything), and to actually mean it. Then we can all feel at least a little better about this shit, and I can keep tracking the seiyuu tag on Tumblr without seeing death threats or pointless defenses or whatever it's cool to say about Terashii now. |
kratos_aurion said: It's really a bad joke to spit on someone's dream. It would be great to have one of the two male voice actor involved replaced by the victim of the joke. I hope they will learn this lesson of life. Bullism don't get you anywhere in real world. It serves no purpose, but I'll lower my vote for this. It was 9/10, I really like it, but I'm a bit angry for this thing. I am against all the things they did to this VA, but I don't get why are you lowering the score. 99 % of us don't buy new anime, anyway (because we can't and the only way to watch it subbed is by downloading it or by a streaming website), and the show's quality is one separated thing which doesn't have to do with the bullying shit. People is overreacting too much, I mean...c'mon! just ask them to apologize and that's it. I'll still watch this show because it's awesome. |
| Wow Japan have weird ideas for pranks. This was a pretty crap prank too. Feel pretty bad for Mitsuhiro Ichiki. At least give him a few lines in the Anime. Loads of people are gonna see the Silver Link studio in a different light now. They've gone downhill after this incident. However that won't change my views on the Kokoro Connect anime itself. It's a great Anime just sucks how the studio did such a stupid thing for their own entertainment. |
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| I don't understand people saying this won't change their view of the anime, to some degree. The amount you "care" may change how much of an impact it'll have, but just knowing will change what you think. No one is a machine that unbiasedly rates anime for what it is, with no regard to the context. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Post-Josh said: I don't understand people saying this won't change their view of the anime, to some degree. The amount you "care" may change how much of an impact it'll have, but just knowing will change what you think. No one is a machine that unbiasedly rates anime for what it is, with no regard to the context. If I lived in Japan, I really would boycott this anime by not buying merchandising and blue rays, for example. But that doesn't change the way I think about the Anime in particular. I keep watching it forgetting about the context. The same goes for everything else you love in this life. I might not share the writer's ideas or actions, but I could still love his work, if you know what I mean ;) |
Post-Josh said: I don't understand people saying this won't change their view of the anime, to some degree. The amount you "care" may change how much of an impact it'll have, but just knowing will change what you think. No one is a machine that unbiasedly rates anime for what it is, with no regard to the context. I always rate anime for what it is, basing my opinion solely on its overall quality. "context" doesn't change the quality of an anime. |
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| I will still be watching this because it is a brilliant Anime and I will judge it by how I normally judge other anime. What they did was wrong though even with the videos I never quite understood the whole situation =/ They deserve some punishment but people boycotting this is overreacting |
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 So much for that boycott. |
Lelouch22 said: Post-Josh said: I don't understand people saying this won't change their view of the anime, to some degree. The amount you "care" may change how much of an impact it'll have, but just knowing will change what you think. No one is a machine that unbiasedly rates anime for what it is, with no regard to the context. I always rate anime for what it is, basing my opinion solely on its overall quality. "context" doesn't change the quality of an anime. So you think. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| While I do think that what they did was wrong, I also think that boycotting the anime is unfair for the other people who worked on Kokoro Connect but didn't do anything wrong. |
| "Our everyday lives may, in fact, be a series of miracles." - Nichijou |
taketori said: While I do think that what they did was wrong, I also think that boycotting the anime is unfair for the other people who worked on Kokoro Connect but didn't do anything wrong. ^this. I really like this show. Poor guy though, If I'm job hunting and somebody did that to me I'll probably go berserk. Taichi's was involved, or was he? So much for wanting everyone to be happy. A great show is a great show no matter who made it. |
ernstSep 1, 2012 9:25 PM
| "Why do I always realize it... when I've already lost it..." -Guts, Berserk "Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained." -Gilgamesh, Fate/stay night "We are constantly living in a peaceful world that somebody else won for us. Even if it were only a day of peace, I will be grateful for its value." - Minashiro Tsubaki, FAFNER "Screw you, future me!" -Makise Kurisu, Steins;Gate "We used to show off by waging wars and whatnot." -Watashi, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita "Call me Moses. I'm going to part the sea of students before your eyes." -Moses?, Valvrave "Time is guilty." -Andō & Tomoyo, INOU-Battle |
| Why would anyone change their view of the series just because a couple members of the staff pulled a tasteless prank? The anime is what it is. The characters that matter when judging it are only the characters in it, not the characters of those writing the script or doing the voiceacting. I do not care the slightest if the people behind a particular series are paragons of goodness and justice, or if they have 3 child rapes and a murder to their name each. The only thing that matters when viewing and reviewing art is the piece of art itself. The value of the people behind it only matters when specifically concerning yourself with the people - the value of their work remains exactly the same. What they did was tasteless and should be condemned. You can condemn it by boycotting or whatever, but why in the 9 Hells would you be inclined to think of the quality of the series suddenly getting worse because of that? |
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| You know, actors in the US are notorious for pulling pranks on each other, sometimes very nasty ones. The fact that this was in public makes it a bit beyond the pale, but they have whole TV shows dedicated to that here in the US. I don't see it as a big deal. |
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Pan151 said: Why would anyone change their view of the series just because a couple members of the staff pulled a tasteless prank? The anime is what it is. The characters that matter when judging it are only the characters in it, not the characters of those writing the script or doing the voiceacting. I do not care the slightest if the people behind a particular series are paragons of goodness and justice, or if they have 3 child rapes and a murder to their name each. The only thing that matters when viewing and reviewing art is the piece of art itself. The value of the people behind it only matters when specifically concerning yourself with the people - the value of their work remains exactly the same. What they did was tasteless and should be condemned. You can condemn it by boycotting or whatever, but why in the 9 Hells would you be inclined to think of the quality of the series suddenly getting worse because of that? All of this. I know MAL ratings are fucked, but I'm going to rate this now just to at least barely help out the rating on here, considering it may start dropping after this. And look at that. 8.12 to an 8.10 already. |
ihateeveryoneSep 2, 2012 9:33 AM
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| Lol, people need to lighten up. |
| My opinion on this anime has not been affected at all by the poor decisions of the people involved in the prank. It's almost hard to believe that there's such a huge uproar over it -- I mean I'd be pretty pissed if something like this happened to me but on the bright side of things, Mitsuhiro Ichiki has more recognition now. Maybe some sympathizers will offer him roles in other anime. |
| #FuckKotaku |
Post-Josh said: No one is a machine that unbiasedly rates anime for what it is, with no regard to the context. Well, apparently some people are. I personally know quite a few. They don't give a damn about the real life issues with VA and producers and they only care about the content of the series. It makes sense. Does knowing that Tolkien was on drugs makes you less appreciate his work? No. Silmendil said: I am against all the things they did to this VA, but I don't get why are you lowering the score. 99 % of us don't buy new anime, anyway (because we can't and the only way to watch it subbed is by downloading it or by a streaming website), and the show's quality is one separated thing which doesn't have to do with the bullying shit. People is overreacting too much, I mean...c'mon! just ask them to apologize and that's it. I'll still watch this show because it's awesome. Pretty much. If you are not paying money for this, I see nothing more than people fuzzing over stuffs they have absolutely no control over. It's just talking air. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| I blame Heartseed |
| This is just plain stupid, seriously. I don't know what else to say. |
| Just finished reading the pastebin on all of this, guess it's time to pick up the novel's lol. What about the recent "apology" on the kokoro connect website, what a fucking joke that is. I like their animation but fuck the nips have some serious cultural problem's. |
| This is so stupid......i really cant elaborate any more than that this is seriously so fucking illogical. I dont think im going to watch the show now, not out of a moral outrage but as in im not watching a series that is guaranteed to not be continued and concluded |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
wakka9ca said: Post-Josh said: No one is a machine that unbiasedly rates anime for what it is, with no regard to the context. Well, apparently some people are. I personally know quite a few. They don't give a damn about the real life issues with VA and producers and they only care about the content of the series. It makes sense. Does knowing that Tolkien was on drugs makes you less appreciate his work? No. Yes, it does actually. That aside though, that's not all that context means. Context includes cultural context. Ie. when it was made (different styles or different choices of language go in and out of popularity), notions of how it "should be" based on previous or comparable anime (genres, tropes, etc), the thoughts of other people (episode discussion threads, simply looking at an anime page, and basically anything really, some degree of this is unavoidable), etc. Someone likes a show less because some of the staff are stupid? So what. People complaining have probably, at some point, came to appreciate a show simply because a trusted opinion said it was good, even if they're not aware of it. All I'm saying is that there are infinite biases that effect how people enjoy/rate things, so no one is in a position to say this, or anything else, shouldn't effect someone's opinion. |
JoshSep 1, 2012 11:15 PM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Post-Josh said: Yes, it does actually. Well it does. But not to everyone. Post-Josh said: All I'm saying is that there are infinite biases that effect how people enjoy/rate things, so no one is in a position to say this, or anything else, shouldn't effect someone's opinion. It shouldn't affect some people's opinion.It is not said that it shouldn't affect anyone at all but merely stated that there are actually people who are unaffected by this. Thus, people shouldn't feel obligated to be affected by it. The point is that often times people will agree that they disagree and it's perfectly fine. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
HauntingShock said: BlackSol said: Whoa.......did not notice that. That's pretty strange. Hahah so it's safe to assume Kokoro Connect is still good to go? ←My avatar is my reaction lol mines to :p |
| Shit hitting the fan here. Not gonna make me stop watching though. I'm upset that the new season of Hayate is taking a hit here because it's being produced by Silver Link as well. What do people want to get out of this boycott exactly though? It's about two months too late for Silver Link issuing an apology to have any sort of meaning. Or maybe the already struggling anime industry will have to deal with another company shutting down as a result of these boycotts. What are the people spearheading this boycott trying to achieve? Kokoro Connect has been a pretty good anime thus far and as a fan of the series, while I definitely don't condone what they did to that guy, it's upsetting that quality (IMO) anime, which is supposed to be a form of entertainment, is going to have to suffer as a result. |
| Harems don't exist in America. If one guy is constantly surrounded by beautiful girls, then he's probably the gay friend. |
| Because nobody wants the people responsible for this to get away with it. If they boycott the producer and the two actors it will hit them where it hurts and it will send the message that this sort of behavior won't be tolerated anymore. |
raduccioSep 2, 2012 1:55 AM
mody-san said: I can't believe some of the douchebags here who wants their anime rather than a human rights case in here .. Do you people even leave your rooms? Or are you the kind that got so fat by not leaving their rooms and watching anime 24/7 and preferring it over real life?...sorry for being rude but it's reality. Don't get me wrong..Kokoro Connect is my fav anime this year and i wrote a post about that time ago...but like...really now? It's not about human rights but people overreacting. Let's not start using terms like "human rights" here. It's called overreaction. Silver Link can go bankrupt for all that I care. I don't give a damn if the anime is cancelled. Similarly, no matter how I like Hayate, I don't mind not seeing it animated (we have the manga anyway). However, it's not about whether the anime is impacted or not. It's about people actually thinking that they are on their moral high ground while what they are doing isn't really the way to solve the problem. Like someone said before, two wrongs don't make it right. That being said, the people involved in this incident should be ashamed of themselves. However, I have the impression it's a classic case of peer pressure and group phenomenon. And let's be honest here: it's no big surprise stuffs like this happens in entertainment industry... especially the east Asian ones. I mean, have you watched some of the infamous Japanese "entertainment" shows? |
wakka9caSep 2, 2012 2:05 AM
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| They already apologies. Here's the link: (http://kokoro-connect.com/news/) Here's a little translation from a good source on the tumblr. On 24th June, we, the staff of Kokoro Connect, held an screening for the anime. This screening showed that the inadequate concern for the voice actors’s performance (…or something like that…), however, it seems like it had caused discomfort and an misunderstanding instead. To whoever was discomforted by this, we are extremely sorry. We are also extremely sorry for the delay in our response. As I am a bit tired to translate the rest, the staff continues on about how this was all a play and that Ichiki Mitsuhiro was to be the main something like a propaganda sort of person for the anime, going from Hokkaido to Kyushu in three months on radio stations and stuff like that to promote the anime with the cast. The whole thing was meant to be a play but it seems like with the voice actors’ (and staffs’) selfish acts, whatever had been uploaded onto the net (it seems illegally…) was a whole misunderstanding. And that as a result of the misunderstanding, the whole cast and the staff are all apologising for this whole ordeal (quite sincerely, may I add.) |
yu3 said: They already apologies. Here's the link: (http://kokoro-connect.com/news/) Here's a little translation from a good source on the tumblr. On 24th June, we, the staff of Kokoro Connect, held an screening for the anime. This screening showed that the inadequate concern for the voice actors’s performance (…or something like that…), however, it seems like it had caused discomfort and an misunderstanding instead. To whoever was discomforted by this, we are extremely sorry. We are also extremely sorry for the delay in our response. As I am a bit tired to translate the rest, the staff continues on about how this was all a play and that Ichiki Mitsuhiro was to be the main something like a propaganda sort of person for the anime, going from Hokkaido to Kyushu in three months on radio stations and stuff like that to promote the anime with the cast. The whole thing was meant to be a play but it seems like with the voice actors’ (and staffs’) selfish acts, whatever had been uploaded onto the net (it seems illegally…) was a whole misunderstanding. And that as a result of the misunderstanding, the whole cast and the staff are all apologising for this whole ordeal (quite sincerely, may I add.) I still don't get it -_- It was a play? So no one was really abused? or because of the supposedly play, someone was abused? |
cino said: If someone pranked me like that I'd laugh it off and get on with my life. Random things do happen, people do silly things, even grownups. You might consider it cruel or whatever, but when you really think about it, it's nothing to be depressed about. There are japanese reality shows that do 100 times worse things and those shows are always popular. And there's wars in the world, there's rape, there's children starving and so on, aren't those the real issues? You do realize that those "reality shows" are scripted right? With full consent of the participant's, this is completely different. Sure you may be able to laugh it off, but if i spent year's pursing my dream only for it to be shattered and mocked publicly, i would most certainly be bitter about it. Yeah the world suck's, so? Go discuss that elsewhere, on a non-anime related forum. @Mody What, I don't see what you are getting at. Generally people lose weight if they don't leave there room at all. |
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