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Aug 19, 2012 8:06 AM
#301
Vizard said: This episode was beautiful. Yeah, this episode was pretty nice |
Aug 19, 2012 8:13 AM
#302
Aug 19, 2012 8:43 AM
#303
Aug 19, 2012 9:18 AM
#304
Vizi_Reality said: I am trying hard not to hate this, considering I really like the LN.Haters gonna hate Netto_Azure said: They didn't have to cut out the part where they accept the quest for the dragon. They didn't have to cut out most of Liz's inner dialogue that actually makes her actions seem reasonable rather than a random "I love you" out of the blue. They didn't have to cut out Liz running out of the shop with Asuna. They didn't have to cut out all the extra information about other players having tried to get the ingot and failing. They didn't have to cut out the cooking part. They didn't have to cut out the parts where Kirito was telling Liz stories about past adventures he has had. Yeah. This could have been 2 episodes if they had slowed it down and added in all of those, and then it wouldn't have been a rushed emotionless mess.I don't even know what's serious or just trolling when I read the SAO Episode threads. But otherwise the stuff left out HAD to be left out to let the A-O viewers have that feeling of surprise LN readers also got. |
Aug 19, 2012 10:00 AM
#305
Well, i liked it. Sure many scenes were cut out but those wouldn't really change the situation much. The most important - Liz's inner dialogue couldn't have existed in anime anyway so those minor scenes wouldn't make any different. |
レッツゴー ED イケイケゴーゴー |
Aug 19, 2012 10:02 AM
#306
It was an OK episode, although I didn't enjoy it that much. But in what kind of RPG can you forge an end-game sword with a single ingot? ._. |
"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34 |
Aug 19, 2012 10:13 AM
#307
5layer said: They didn't have to cut out the part where they accept the quest for the dragon. They didn't have to cut out most of Liz's inner dialogue that actually makes her actions seem reasonable rather than a random "I love you" out of the blue. They didn't have to cut out Liz running out of the shop with Asuna. They didn't have to cut out all the extra information about other players having tried to get the ingot and failing. They didn't have to cut out the cooking part. They didn't have to cut out the parts where Kirito was telling Liz stories about past adventures he has had. Yeah. This could have been 2 episodes if they had slowed it down and added in all of those, and then it wouldn't have been a rushed emotionless mess. I think this is, at least, the second time we have a case like this in this series, the other being the Sachi episode. Don't know why the producers are rushing it like this, maybe they'll manage to adapt the whole LN in these 24 episodes. |
Aug 19, 2012 10:14 AM
#308
SleepingBear said: I guess you would like to see a video of 2 hours grinding and then forging a weapon?It was an OK episode, although I didn't enjoy it that much. But in what kind of RPG can you forge an end-game sword with a single ingot? ._. Only the essential stuff should be displayed and not the awful grinding process for a shitload of materials. |
Aug 19, 2012 10:26 AM
#309
Shaduge said: Vikopaulum said: amc9988 said: Maffy said: I could have liked this epi... but I didn't... "I think I love you?" All it takes is some bantering and dragon hunting to fall in love? Forced cliches again.... Pity she didn't die. I agree Not only that, but wasn't she the one who caused them to fall into that pit? Some of the characters in SAO are so stupid. He told her to stay hidden, but do they ever listen? And then bitching at him while at the bottom of the pit, as if he was the one that got them there. always the same deal, making it look like he's going through pain and having girls fall for him so easily That's the main problem with the anime adaptation, even more than them rushing things. More than half of the novel revolve around inner thought of the characters, the reason behind their actions and what they think. The anime chose to discard these inner thought and focus on the action the characters take. (Which isn't bad since they need to animate what is going on before animating why and they have very little time to do so) For people that did not read the novel, for people that do not understand the characters and the reasoning behind their actions this might feel random and that's why I highly recommend reading the novel over watching the anime. This is one of the case that you will enjoy the anime more after reading the novel rather than keeping the suspence and not knowing what will happen next. I don't know if that was the aim but the anime can be most enjoyable for someone that actually read the novel. |
Aug 19, 2012 10:26 AM
#310
5layer said: Vizi_Reality said: I am trying hard not to hate this, considering I really like the LN.Haters gonna hate Netto_Azure said: They didn't have to cut out the part where they accept the quest for the dragon. They didn't have to cut out most of Liz's inner dialogue that actually makes her actions seem reasonable rather than a random "I love you" out of the blue. They didn't have to cut out Liz running out of the shop with Asuna. They didn't have to cut out all the extra information about other players having tried to get the ingot and failing. They didn't have to cut out the cooking part. They didn't have to cut out the parts where Kirito was telling Liz stories about past adventures he has had. Yeah. This could have been 2 episodes if they had slowed it down and added in all of those, and then it wouldn't have been a rushed emotionless mess.I don't even know what's serious or just trolling when I read the SAO Episode threads. But otherwise the stuff left out HAD to be left out to let the A-O viewers have that feeling of surprise LN readers also got. Im with 5layer on this one. Every week i sit down to watch SAO hoping it can live up to its potential and stand at the same level as the novels, and every week i am let down with nothing but disappointment (except for the first episode that was what made me read all the novels right after it). This episode was another empty shell of its novel version that once again skipped all the process, the inbetween, the journey, the content, the inner feelings / dialogue, really whatever you want to call it and just gave us the conclusion which then gives the impression of it comming out of nowhere and or making it feel empty and rather lacking. Last week they finally did a side story over 2 episodes, but it still ended up rushed and cut down to a shadow of its former self. They even went about changing it to a certain extent because of the cuts. Reki Kawahara in his afterword for that side story said that he was not sure if he did a good job on that mystery side story, for me i liked it and thought he did pretty well. Of course it was not a master piece and im no mystery expert either so i quite liked it, and i can say without a doubt it was a hell of alot better than the crappy watered down version the anime did. I have said it before and i will say it again they should have never of tried to do 4 novels and side stories in a 24 ep series all they have managed to do is create a lesser rushed empty shell version of its novel counterpart. The first 24 ep series should of been for the first 2 novels and side stories and thats it. Also yes them doing it in chronological order was the best choice but they have not done a good enough job of it the transitions are far to rough and disjointed, and once again because of the rushing they skipped some of the side stories as well such as the first day. The action scenes as well i notice they keep cheaping out on them, in the dragon fight they were using still shots to show half of the action the same as the first floor boss fight. They could at least animate all the fighting not keep throwing still shots 50% of the time. This seems to be another one of those animes where you should of read the source material to really get it, just like another anime airing this season 'Campione!' which its anime self seems like an advert for the novels (which i am reading now since they finished translating the 6th one). Other popular examples would be To Aru Majutsu No Index anime and Fate/Stay Night anime and film Unlimited Blade Works. The index anime especially towards the end of the 2nd season was really more for the fans who read the novels after i rewatched it after reading all the novels it really was seen as quite messy. Most people know what a mess the Fate/Stay Night anime is like and to me the UBW film was nothing but mindless empty action, i honestly nearly fell asleep rewatching after i decided to watch it again after finishing the Fate/Stay night visual novel. Hell when i read the Zero No Tsukaima novels it made the anime look crappy in comparison, not that the anime was amazing but i used to like it well the first 2 seasons anyway the 3rd and 4th were horse shit and thats because they pretty much shit all over the novel by that point. I am someone who thinks the source material should be respected and its not like the SAO anime is not following it and crapping on it like the Zero No Tsukaima or Fate/Stay Night anime did to their source material but its not doing a a good job either and it seems empty pretty much just rushing through it, really just all round lacking. Oh i also think the reason i have not read the Toradora novels yet is because i dont want to risk ruining the anime for myself because i really did like it. Though i think i might be safe if i did since i did read the 10th (last novel) to see the difference of how it ended and i noticed that it leaned a bit more to the romance than the comedy that the anime had which i liked but i still liked the extra comedy the anime brought. Meh maybe i should read the novels for it soon. |
DragoonDeusAug 19, 2012 10:36 AM
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Aug 19, 2012 10:56 AM
#311
look you guys have gotta understand that SAO is not an easy LN to adapt, it uses inner thoughts and detailed descriptions which give it an edge, something that can only be done in the LN also they can't waste too much time with the sidestories when their trying to do 4 volumes, i know that they should of done only 2 volumes with lots of sidestories but it seemed like it didn't work for them and they wanna do the full shabang its a waste of time trying to compare the LN to the anime when the LN will always be superior, so stop comparing the two and enjoy the anime for what it is there are some advantages in the anime, the fight scene with the dragon, crystals and the horizon were all very beautiful, something which the LN can't do even with all its clear description |
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Aug 19, 2012 11:18 AM
#312
Aug 19, 2012 11:24 AM
#313
rishardew said: 5layer said: They didn't have to cut out the part where they accept the quest for the dragon. They didn't have to cut out most of Liz's inner dialogue that actually makes her actions seem reasonable rather than a random "I love you" out of the blue. They didn't have to cut out Liz running out of the shop with Asuna. They didn't have to cut out all the extra information about other players having tried to get the ingot and failing. They didn't have to cut out the cooking part. They didn't have to cut out the parts where Kirito was telling Liz stories about past adventures he has had. Yeah. This could have been 2 episodes if they had slowed it down and added in all of those, and then it wouldn't have been a rushed emotionless mess. Exactly my thoughts! This, really, really hurts. 3/5 imo, cuz' of the fucked up pace. |
Aug 19, 2012 11:35 AM
#314
Aug 19, 2012 11:39 AM
#315
^off topic@kamikaze : i think your imagination can handle that part just fine, you don't need pretty images to imagine a field of crystals showered by the moonlight and then a giant dragon covered by crystals. On topic: this ep was actually good, Lizbeth is cute T~T damn you asuna you only look good in doujinshi |
Aug 19, 2012 11:48 AM
#316
Zombiekop said: SleepingBear said: I guess you would like to see a video of 2 hours grinding and then forging a weapon?It was an OK episode, although I didn't enjoy it that much. But in what kind of RPG can you forge an end-game sword with a single ingot? ._. Only the essential stuff should be displayed and not the awful grinding process for a shitload of materials. Tried to point that out in a way that didn't sound like a complaint. Guess I failed. |
"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34 |
Aug 19, 2012 11:51 AM
#317
Poor Lizbeth~! ;___; wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
Aug 19, 2012 11:59 AM
#318
kamikaze_1996 said: look you guys have gotta understand that SAO is not an easy LN to adapt, it uses inner thoughts and detailed descriptions which give it an edge, something that can only be done in the LN also they can't waste too much time with the sidestories when their trying to do 4 volumes, i know that they should of done only 2 volumes with lots of sidestories but it seemed like it didn't work for them and they wanna do the full shabang its a waste of time trying to compare the LN to the anime when the LN will always be superior, so stop comparing the two and enjoy the anime for what it is there are some advantages in the anime, the fight scene with the dragon, crystals and the horizon were all very beautiful, something which the LN can't do even with all its clear description Are you kidding bro, at this rate the novel will be superior in every way... No, inner dialogue isn't something that could only be done in the LN. It's been done before in an anime and it certainly could have been done here. It doesn't give it an edge, it is essential to the storytelling. I'm willing to bet that if you ask any person who's read the light novels, if they felt immersed into the universe of SOA, that it would be a definite yes. Ask a reasonable person if they feel the same about the adaptation, your answer will be no. If they say yes then they are letting their imagination run wild and are too blinded by their own fanfare to recognize that this anime has no such elements. Your last point is false and practically insulting the LN. If you think that those scenes in the LN weren't clear enough and didn't express the emotions that accompany such a beautiful scene then I have no words that can help you. Pictures are one thing, it's the emotions that accompany that picture that changes it into art. If you think any scene in the LN was inferior to the anime then something is wrong. They blew it right from the beginning when Aria was aired and so far it has failed miserably to capture the essence of the LN. Comparing the LN to the anime will change into comparing an incredible light novel to some anime with coincidental events. That is how different the two have become. |
Idle_ObserverAug 19, 2012 1:07 PM
Aug 19, 2012 12:05 PM
#319
Idle_Observer said: I'm willing to bet that if you ask any person who's read the light novels, if they felt immersed into the universe of SOA, that it would be a definite yes. Ask a reasonable person if they feel the same about the adaptation, your answer will be no. If they say yes then they are letting their imagination run wild and are to blinded by their own fanfare to recognize that this anime has no such elements. So, letting my imagination run wild while reading is alright, but letting my imagination run wild while watching the anime is bad. Double standards are double standards. If you don't like it, stop watching it. Yes, the anime has its share of problems, but I still love every minute of it. The world is immersive, and I do feel like I'm getting to know these characters. Having someone tell me 'you're wrong' when I'm using my imagination is silly since enjoyment is subjective. I'll admit you hate it, but don't tell me I should hate it too because you do. That's just ridiculous. |
Aug 19, 2012 12:28 PM
#320
Vhaeraun said: Idle_Observer said: I'm willing to bet that if you ask any person who's read the light novels, if they felt immersed into the universe of SOA, that it would be a definite yes. Ask a reasonable person if they feel the same about the adaptation, your answer will be no. If they say yes then they are letting their imagination run wild and are to blinded by their own fanfare to recognize that this anime has no such elements. So, letting my imagination run wild while reading is alright, but letting my imagination run wild while watching the anime is bad. Double standards are double standards. If you don't like it, stop watching it. Yes, the anime has its share of problems, but I still love every minute of it. The world is immersive, and I do feel like I'm getting to know these characters. Having someone tell me 'you're wrong' when I'm using my imagination is silly since enjoyment is subjective. I'll admit you hate it, but don't tell me I should hate it too because you do. That's just ridiculous. I haven't said that the anime is bad, nor have I said that I hate it. Even then how can I tell you "you're wrong" when it comes to enjoyment... That's all coming from you. It's not reasonable to say you can understand characters that are shown for less than 20 mins then get killed or never appear again... Yes, the story of SOA immersive however that was only because the light novels provide such amazing material. I am separating the two and trying to find out what the anime alone will have to offer. To satisfy this, they would need original content or at the least do an incredible job with Morning Dew Girl. I'm watching because I'm curious as to how this series will turn out in the end. With the strong appeals of the novels gone, it's hard for me to see what this anime will have to offer. I'm also staying because I want to see how people will react to the transition to ALO. Again, I don't hate it for not meeting expectations. Now I just want to find something in this adaptation. |
Idle_ObserverAug 19, 2012 12:39 PM
Aug 19, 2012 12:38 PM
#321
Idle_Observer said: THen maybe I'm just better at understanding people then, since I've understood the motivations of many characters that appeared for less than 20 minutes ;pIt's not reasonable to say you can understand characters that are shown for less than 20 mins then get killed or never appear again... |
Aug 19, 2012 12:59 PM
#322
10 minutes of character development "i love you kirito kun" =every episode in this anime |
Aug 19, 2012 1:21 PM
#323
FantasyHeaven said: 10 minutes of character development "i love you kirito kun" =every episode in this anime This |
Aug 19, 2012 1:46 PM
#324
Sushii27 said: FantasyHeaven said: 10 minutes of character development "i love you kirito kun" =every episode in this anime This and it's getting annoying actually, but well, cute girls (hitting on the mc) = money, lots of money. From what I understood next episode is the main story, so let's see where this is going. |
Candor123Aug 19, 2012 1:50 PM
Aug 19, 2012 1:49 PM
#325
FantasyHeaven said: 10 minutes of character development "i love you kirito kun" =every episode in this anime Logic in a SOA episode discussion thread? Get out. |
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Aug 19, 2012 1:52 PM
#326
Idle_Observer said: kamikaze_1996 said: look you guys have gotta understand that SAO is not an easy LN to adapt, it uses inner thoughts and detailed descriptions which give it an edge, something that can only be done in the LN also they can't waste too much time with the sidestories when their trying to do 4 volumes, i know that they should of done only 2 volumes with lots of sidestories but it seemed like it didn't work for them and they wanna do the full shabang its a waste of time trying to compare the LN to the anime when the LN will always be superior, so stop comparing the two and enjoy the anime for what it is there are some advantages in the anime, the fight scene with the dragon, crystals and the horizon were all very beautiful, something which the LN can't do even with all its clear description Are you kidding bro, at this rate the novel will be superior in every way... No, inner dialogue isn't something that could only be done in the LN. It's been done before in an anime and it certainly could have been done here. It doesn't give it an edge, it is essential to the storytelling. I'm willing to bet that if you ask any person who's read the light novels, if they felt immersed into the universe of SOA, that it would be a definite yes. Ask a reasonable person if they feel the same about the adaptation, your answer will be no. If they say yes then they are letting their imagination run wild and are too blinded by their own fanfare to recognize that this anime has no such elements. Your last point is false and practically insulting the LN. If you think that those scenes in the LN weren't clear enough and didn't express the emotions that accompany such a beautiful scene then I have no words that can help you. Pictures are one thing, it's the emotions that accompany that picture that changes it into art. If you think any scene in the LN was inferior to the anime then something is wrong. They blew it right from the beginning when Aria was aired and so far it has failed miserably to capture the essence of the LN. Comparing the LN to the anime will change into comparing an incredible light novel to some anime with coincidental events. That is how different the two have become. dafuq? what you say just proves my point that the LN is superior and its a waste comparing the two, the LN is one thing the anime is another, its like your saying that the anime is shit just because it isn't as good as the LN i just said before that they don't have the time to waste on detailed dialogue, the LN can do it fine because it can write as many pages it wants but the anime has limited time and episodes i don't know why your going on about how the LN readers were immersed in the story when thats got nothing to do with my point i never said the details in the LN were bad also its a fact that the anime can give you a clearer image of the landscape and animation fight scenes saying that the anime is inferior to the LN in every way is completely false, there are some scenes that the anime were successful on such as action scenes and had more impact mainly because its animation and the reasons i stated, thats a fact denying all this means your just a blind fanboy of the LN who is butthurt about the anime not being good enough can i also remind everyone that the anime hasn't finished, let alone reached the halfway mark the real story starts on episode 8 and thats a more appropriate place where you can judge whether the anime is a hit or a miss |
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Aug 19, 2012 2:04 PM
#328
rishardew said: 5layer said: They didn't have to cut out the part where they accept the quest for the dragon. They didn't have to cut out most of Liz's inner dialogue that actually makes her actions seem reasonable rather than a random "I love you" out of the blue. They didn't have to cut out Liz running out of the shop with Asuna. They didn't have to cut out all the extra information about other players having tried to get the ingot and failing. They didn't have to cut out the cooking part. They didn't have to cut out the parts where Kirito was telling Liz stories about past adventures he has had. Yeah. This could have been 2 episodes if they had slowed it down and added in all of those, and then it wouldn't have been a rushed emotionless mess. Exactly my thoughts! I am as nit picky as the rest of the LN crowd and I enjoyed I admit the first 4 LN's a bit more than the rest of the serious up to date (not saying I dont enjoy it just the first 4 were the ones ive enjoyed the most so far.. anyways) But can you both please explain to me how in an adaption you properly adapt inner dialogue... I get what you mean theres a good deal of it that goes on with Lisbeth.. But you see its INNER dialogue ie SILENT - This is a Visual and Audio adaption - bringing Silent adaptions to that base medium is exceedingly hard - and it usually comes off as well to be blunt 'stupid' and then i'd be seeing you bash how bad they adapted it - can't win - and the best methods are usually action/body language with the occasional inner dialogue turned into 'unheard' outer or short* scenes where they have inner vocals. And you can't do that to much or it looks and sounds terrible. |
sirwenceAug 19, 2012 2:16 PM
Aug 19, 2012 2:20 PM
#329
Making a new sword was good idea to meriting the story line. I like the design on the dragon, but too bad it wasn't much of a challenge and the quick romance thing was cheap |
Aug 19, 2012 2:23 PM
#330
sirwence said: rishardew said: 5layer said: They didn't have to cut out the part where they accept the quest for the dragon. They didn't have to cut out most of Liz's inner dialogue that actually makes her actions seem reasonable rather than a random "I love you" out of the blue. They didn't have to cut out Liz running out of the shop with Asuna. They didn't have to cut out all the extra information about other players having tried to get the ingot and failing. They didn't have to cut out the cooking part. They didn't have to cut out the parts where Kirito was telling Liz stories about past adventures he has had. Yeah. This could have been 2 episodes if they had slowed it down and added in all of those, and then it wouldn't have been a rushed emotionless mess. Exactly my thoughts! I am as nit picky as the rest of the LN crowd and I enjoyed I admit the first 4 LN's a bit more than the rest of the serious up to date (not saying I dont enjoy it just the first 4 were the ones ive enjoyed the most so far.. anyways) But can you both please explain to me how in an adaption you properly adapt inner dialogue... I get what you mean theres a good deal of it that goes on with Lisbeth.. But you see its INNER dialogue ie SILENT - This is a Visual and Audio adaption - bringing Silent adaptions to that base medium is exceedingly hard - and it usually comes off as well to be blunt 'stupid' and then i'd be seeing you bash how bad they adapted it - can't win - and the best methods are usually action/body language with the occasional inner dialogue turned into 'unheard' outer. And you can't do that to much or it looks and sounds terrible. ? i dunno, i thought is was as simple as talking in the first person perspective in their minds, but you've got a good point, it does come off as a bit stupid sometimes and unprofessional sirwence said: rishardew said: 5layer said: They didn't have to cut out the part where they accept the quest for the dragon. They didn't have to cut out most of Liz's inner dialogue that actually makes her actions seem reasonable rather than a random "I love you" out of the blue. They didn't have to cut out Liz running out of the shop with Asuna. They didn't have to cut out all the extra information about other players having tried to get the ingot and failing. They didn't have to cut out the cooking part. They didn't have to cut out the parts where Kirito was telling Liz stories about past adventures he has had. Yeah. This could have been 2 episodes if they had slowed it down and added in all of those, and then it wouldn't have been a rushed emotionless mess. Exactly my thoughts! I am as nit picky as the rest of the LN crowd and I enjoyed I admit the first 4 LN's a bit more than the rest of the serious up to date (not saying I dont enjoy it just the first 4 were the ones ive enjoyed the most so far.. anyways) But can you both please explain to me how in an adaption you properly adapt inner dialogue... I get what you mean theres a good deal of it that goes on with Lisbeth.. But you see its INNER dialogue ie SILENT - This is a Visual and Audio adaption - bringing Silent adaptions to that base medium is exceedingly hard - and it usually comes off as well to be blunt 'stupid' and then i'd be seeing you bash how bad they adapted it - can't win - and the best methods are usually action/body language with the occasional inner dialogue turned into 'unheard' outer. And you can't do that to much or it looks and sounds terrible. ? i thought it was as simple as talking in the first person perspective in their heads but you've got a good point, it does come off as bit stupid sometimes and unprofessional, like its certainly better to use facial expressions and body language to describe their feelings in an anime instead of just telling the viewer directly through inner dialogue that happens in writing a lot because there are no pictures to show their body language or expressions i think there were no problems with the facial expressions and body language, it actually added to the effect sometimes in the funny moments e.g. kirito's smug expression when he said "i would love a sword that can smash mine" |
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Aug 19, 2012 2:36 PM
#331
Fk this show. I don't want an entire show of Virtual Romance. |
Aug 19, 2012 2:52 PM
#332
kamikaze_1996 said: look you guys have gotta understand that SAO is not an easy LN to adapt, it uses inner thoughts and detailed descriptions which give it an edge, something that can only be done in the LN also they can't waste too much time with the sidestories when their trying to do 4 volumes, i know that they should of done only 2 volumes with lots of sidestories but it seemed like it didn't work for them and they wanna do the full shabang its a waste of time trying to compare the LN to the anime when the LN will always be superior, so stop comparing the two and enjoy the anime for what it is there are some advantages in the anime, the fight scene with the dragon, crystals and the horizon were all very beautiful, something which the LN can't do even with all its clear description Agreed with kamikaze. People should stop comparing the anime to the light novel so readily. It isn't easy to adapt a light novel properly let alone one like Sword Art Online. I for one am glad they've adapted it at all. This weeks episode is the best so far. 5/5. |
Aug 19, 2012 2:54 PM
#333
^ Same here... But If we seperate the LN from the anime adaptation completely, then it's just a typical action romance show.... |
Aug 19, 2012 3:18 PM
#334
kamikaze_1996 said: Idle_Observer said: kamikaze_1996 said: look you guys have gotta understand that SAO is not an easy LN to adapt, it uses inner thoughts and detailed descriptions which give it an edge, something that can only be done in the LN also they can't waste too much time with the sidestories when their trying to do 4 volumes, i know that they should of done only 2 volumes with lots of sidestories but it seemed like it didn't work for them and they wanna do the full shabang its a waste of time trying to compare the LN to the anime when the LN will always be superior, so stop comparing the two and enjoy the anime for what it is there are some advantages in the anime, the fight scene with the dragon, crystals and the horizon were all very beautiful, something which the LN can't do even with all its clear description Are you kidding bro, at this rate the novel will be superior in every way... No, inner dialogue isn't something that could only be done in the LN. It's been done before in an anime and it certainly could have been done here. It doesn't give it an edge, it is essential to the storytelling. I'm willing to bet that if you ask any person who's read the light novels, if they felt immersed into the universe of SOA, that it would be a definite yes. Ask a reasonable person if they feel the same about the adaptation, your answer will be no. If they say yes then they are letting their imagination run wild and are too blinded by their own fanfare to recognize that this anime has no such elements. Your last point is false and practically insulting the LN. If you think that those scenes in the LN weren't clear enough and didn't express the emotions that accompany such a beautiful scene then I have no words that can help you. Pictures are one thing, it's the emotions that accompany that picture that changes it into art. If you think any scene in the LN was inferior to the anime then something is wrong. They blew it right from the beginning when Aria was aired and so far it has failed miserably to capture the essence of the LN. Comparing the LN to the anime will change into comparing an incredible light novel to some anime with coincidental events. That is how different the two have become. dafuq? what you say just proves my point that the LN is superior and its a waste comparing the two, the LN is one thing the anime is another, its like your saying that the anime is shit just because it isn't as good as the LN i just said before that they don't have the time to waste on detailed dialogue, the LN can do it fine because it can write as many pages it wants but the anime has limited time and episodes i don't know why your going on about how the LN readers were immersed in the story when thats got nothing to do with my point i never said the details in the LN were bad also its a fact that the anime can give you a clearer image of the landscape and animation fight scenes saying that the anime is inferior to the LN in every way is completely false, there are some scenes that the anime were successful on such as action scenes and had more impact mainly because its animation and the reasons i stated, thats a fact denying all this means your just a blind fanboy of the LN who is butthurt about the anime not being good enough can i also remind everyone that the anime hasn't finished, let alone reached the halfway mark the real story starts on episode 8 and thats a more appropriate place where you can judge whether the anime is a hit or a miss Bro it's like you don't read the posts... Important, the adaptation isn't portraying psychological or emotional aspects of these stories. A great and immersive story requires these kinds of things. That's why I brought it up, it's not comparing the animation to the LN's it's just an important factor of a successful series. With regards to the adaptation being compared to the LN, that's impossible to avoid since the SOA LN is such a huge success, so really it was foolish trying to say that in the first place. You'd think that an adaptation based on something this big would at least keep the essential elements that bring great and long lasting success. It's the potential that has people disappointed, not "butthurt" as you put it. The anime can produce flashy scenes and pictures but none of that holds any meaning without proper emotional attachment. The adaptation has poorly developed this with every episode since Aria. The animation scenes almost have no meaning because they took out those essential elements. Prior knowledge of the actual stories doesn't help make the animation better. You just can't make an attachment to these side characters without extrapolating for further details. That's why people are bringing it up in forums and it's the reason why nice LN readers answer questions for those who are new to the series. The adaptation isn't providing enough reference material as a standalone medium. If you think that people should look the to action sequences of this series then those people would be seriously disappointed. Other than an interesting premise, strange fanservice shots, and pretty artwork the animation hasn't been anything special. |
Idle_ObserverAug 19, 2012 3:31 PM
Aug 19, 2012 3:22 PM
#335
This week's episode was softly nice and I actually liked the dragon, saw nothing wrong with the cg. |
Aug 19, 2012 4:01 PM
#336
They sure were sooooooooooooo cute together <33333 I like Kirito X Liz better than Kirito X Asura |
Aug 19, 2012 4:11 PM
#337
SOA is definitely a hype, but without any consistency... I'm surprised to see how many people think that's normal the girl fall for him so easily, suddenly everyone falls for Kirito... LOL ... the anime is not so good, that is a fact, the drama is extremely overrreacted, the characters don't have any consistency, there is a big flaw here ... I completely understand if you tell me that you like it, etc. ... but say this is epic and the anime is excellent is an insult to my intelligence and many others. I'll just keep reading the Light Novels, but I'll drop the anime. |
english isn't my native language... ;) |
Aug 19, 2012 4:26 PM
#338
I read that part of the LN recently. It captures most of the base elements of that story, except they did not do a good job explaining how they survived (up to) a 100m fall. In the LN, it was at least explained by using his blade along the the cave's interior to slow the freefall as they would have died otherwise. They are still fast-tracking the story a bit. They are going to need to have a side info section to explain some of the details to those who have not read the LN. The one thing from the LN they mention is the dimensions of each "floor" is about 10km in diameter and 100m high. I have heard recently about Kirito being dubbed a "Gary/Marty Stu", although this is a common protagonist character type in readable + watchable media. |
Sore wa himitsu desu. |
Aug 19, 2012 4:26 PM
#339
Another stupid bitch for the haremz whom he has to save of course (because obviously every girl is helpless in this show and can't take care of themselves and needs Kirito to save them). This show's writers are obviously misogynists. LOL @ her saying she loves him. OTAKU WET DREAM SHOW YEAH BUDDY. I FORGED THIS SWORD FOR YOU WITH LOVE! The love I started feeling after knowing you for half a day! And the dialog at the end made me LOL like none other. SMH. Regicide said: LOL yep.that cg dragon was so retarded lizbeth smelted dragon shit into a sword double tsundere this show |
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Aug 19, 2012 4:34 PM
#340
Idle_Observer said: kamikaze_1996 said: Idle_Observer said: kamikaze_1996 said: look you guys have gotta understand that SAO is not an easy LN to adapt, it uses inner thoughts and detailed descriptions which give it an edge, something that can only be done in the LN also they can't waste too much time with the sidestories when their trying to do 4 volumes, i know that they should of done only 2 volumes with lots of sidestories but it seemed like it didn't work for them and they wanna do the full shabang its a waste of time trying to compare the LN to the anime when the LN will always be superior, so stop comparing the two and enjoy the anime for what it is there are some advantages in the anime, the fight scene with the dragon, crystals and the horizon were all very beautiful, something which the LN can't do even with all its clear description Are you kidding bro, at this rate the novel will be superior in every way... No, inner dialogue isn't something that could only be done in the LN. It's been done before in an anime and it certainly could have been done here. It doesn't give it an edge, it is essential to the storytelling. I'm willing to bet that if you ask any person who's read the light novels, if they felt immersed into the universe of SOA, that it would be a definite yes. Ask a reasonable person if they feel the same about the adaptation, your answer will be no. If they say yes then they are letting their imagination run wild and are too blinded by their own fanfare to recognize that this anime has no such elements. Your last point is false and practically insulting the LN. If you think that those scenes in the LN weren't clear enough and didn't express the emotions that accompany such a beautiful scene then I have no words that can help you. Pictures are one thing, it's the emotions that accompany that picture that changes it into art. If you think any scene in the LN was inferior to the anime then something is wrong. They blew it right from the beginning when Aria was aired and so far it has failed miserably to capture the essence of the LN. Comparing the LN to the anime will change into comparing an incredible light novel to some anime with coincidental events. That is how different the two have become. dafuq? what you say just proves my point that the LN is superior and its a waste comparing the two, the LN is one thing the anime is another, its like your saying that the anime is shit just because it isn't as good as the LN i just said before that they don't have the time to waste on detailed dialogue, the LN can do it fine because it can write as many pages it wants but the anime has limited time and episodes i don't know why your going on about how the LN readers were immersed in the story when thats got nothing to do with my point i never said the details in the LN were bad also its a fact that the anime can give you a clearer image of the landscape and animation fight scenes saying that the anime is inferior to the LN in every way is completely false, there are some scenes that the anime were successful on such as action scenes and had more impact mainly because its animation and the reasons i stated, thats a fact denying all this means your just a blind fanboy of the LN who is butthurt about the anime not being good enough can i also remind everyone that the anime hasn't finished, let alone reached the halfway mark the real story starts on episode 8 and thats a more appropriate place where you can judge whether the anime is a hit or a miss Bro it's like you don't read the posts... Important, the adaptation isn't portraying psychological or emotional aspects of these stories. A great and immersive story requires these kinds of things. That's why I brought it up, it's not comparing the animation to the LN's it's just an important factor of a successful series. With regards to the adaptation being compared to the LN, that's impossible to avoid since the SOA LN is such a huge success, so really it was foolish trying to say that in the first place. You'd think that an adaptation based on something this big would at least keep the essential elements that bring great and long lasting success. It's the potential that has people disappointed, not "butthurt" as you put it. The anime can produce flashy scenes and pictures but none of that holds any meaning without proper emotional attachment. The adaptation has poorly developed this with every episode since Aria. The animation scenes almost have no meaning because they took out those essential elements. Prior knowledge of the actual stories doesn't help make the animation better. You just can't make an attachment to these side characters without extrapolating for further details. That's why people are bringing it up in forums and it's the reason why nice LN readers answer questions for those who are new to the series. The adaptation isn't providing enough reference material as a standalone medium. If you think that people should look the to action sequences of this series then those people would be seriously disappointed. Other than an interesting premise, strange fanservice shots, and pretty artwork the animation hasn't been anything special. SHUT UP ABOUT THE LIGHT NOVEL AND ENJOY THE ANIME FOR WHAT IT IS |
Aug 19, 2012 4:34 PM
#341
Actually CG dragon was the best thing about this episode. |
Aug 19, 2012 4:38 PM
#342
Nice episode. Its me or all girls got the same face? |
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Aug 19, 2012 4:40 PM
#343
Idle_Observer said: Bro it's like you don't read the posts... Important, the adaptation isn't portraying psychological or emotional aspects of these stories. A great and immersive story requires these kinds of things. That's why I brought it up, it's not comparing the animation to the LN's it's just an important factor of a successful series. With regards to the adaptation being compared to the LN, that's impossible to avoid since the SOA LN is such a huge success, so really it was foolish trying to say that in the first place. You'd think that an adaptation based on something this big would at least keep the essential elements that bring great and long lasting success. It's the potential that has people disappointed, not "butthurt" as you put it. The anime can produce flashy scenes and pictures but none of that holds any meaning without proper emotional attachment. The adaptation has poorly developed this with every episode since Aria. The animation scenes almost have no meaning because they took out those essential elements. Prior knowledge of the actual stories doesn't help make the animation better. You just can't make an attachment to these side characters without extrapolating for further details. That's why people are bringing it up in forums and it's the reason why nice LN readers answer questions for those who are new to the series. The adaptation isn't providing enough reference material as a standalone medium. If you think that people should look the to action sequences of this series then those people would be seriously disappointed. Other than an interesting premise, strange fanservice shots, and pretty artwork the animation hasn't been anything special. i read you post pretty clearly actually, it consisted of you going on and on about how the LN was superior to the anime and the anime fails in comparison towards it which is why i say it backs up my point about how its pointless to compare the two when the LN is clearly superior but its not like the anime is bad i said that in that in the first line, your clearly not reading my posts properly even in this post you keep going on about how the anime is inferior to the LN which i already know i never said anything about the emotions being superior, also even if there's emotion not as much emotion attached to the scenes, it doesn't change the fact that the anime is better at giving clearer image of the landscapes and shows the fight scenes clearly THATS A FACT regardless of your opinion on it so stop going on and on about the LN and enjoy the anime for what it is |
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Aug 19, 2012 4:41 PM
#344
Good episode... but this series still lacks some spice! 4/5 |
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Aug 19, 2012 4:49 PM
#345
DraconisMarch said: Another stupid bitch for the haremz whom he has to save of course (because obviously every girl is helpless in this show and can't take care of themselves and needs Kirito to save them). This show's writers are obviously misogynists. LOL @ her saying she loves him. OTAKU WET DREAM SHOW YEAH BUDDY. I FORGED THIS SWORD FOR YOU WITH LOVE! The love I started feeling after knowing you for half a day! And the dialog at the end made me LOL like none other. SMH. Regicide said: LOL yep.that cg dragon was so retarded lizbeth smelted dragon shit into a sword double tsundere this show wrong, asuna can handle herself pretty well, she can fight alongside kirito on the frontlines, which is one of the many reasons why liz backed off, she knew she can't be with him on the frontlines and watch his back like asuna can but she can still protect him in her own way by maintaining his equipment that can help him survive AsadaShino said: SHUT UP ABOUT THE LIGHT NOVEL AND ENJOY THE ANIME FOR WHAT IT IS This lolz xD |
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Aug 19, 2012 4:53 PM
#346
speaking of Asunas strength and ability in sao well its more or less just a bit below him. shes level 94 to his 96? |
Aug 19, 2012 5:00 PM
#347
sirwence said: speaking of Asunas strength and ability in sao well its more or less just a bit below him. shes level 94 to his 96? yeap thats the levels in the material editions but in the LN it said that kirito has exceeded 90s while asuna was at the end of her 80s, they never really clarified their levels also even though she is below him in level, it stated that she is in fact faster than him, maybe even the fastest player in SAO hence the name "flash" |
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Aug 19, 2012 5:00 PM
#348
sirwence said: I am as nit picky as the rest of the LN crowd and I enjoyed I admit the first 4 LN's a bit more than the rest of the serious up to date (not saying I dont enjoy it just the first 4 were the ones ive enjoyed the most so far.. anyways) But can you both please explain to me how in an adaption you properly adapt inner dialogue... I get what you mean theres a good deal of it that goes on with Lisbeth.. But you see its INNER dialogue ie SILENT - This is a Visual and Audio adaption - bringing Silent adaptions to that base medium is exceedingly hard - and it usually comes off as well to be blunt 'stupid' and then i'd be seeing you bash how bad they adapted it - can't win - and the best methods are usually action/body language with the occasional inner dialogue turned into 'unheard' outer or short* scenes where they have inner vocals. And you can't do that to much or it looks and sounds terrible. Agree! Duh I have a friend for 2 years, and sometimes he does things in a way I cannot understand what the heck is he doing. By the way people act, you can guess what they feel but you don't know exactly what is in their mind. Especially about love, it's a *** complicated emotion on a human being. If you want to understand inner thoughts, read the novel, you want to understand char development, read the novel which was what I did. I don't want they turn the anime into a drama show when they will have the characters to speak up their mind, their feelings by words, it's stupid and absurd, you don't want listening to their inner thoughts when they do something every time, feel like an autism character speaks to her/himself. And if they did that obviously they fail as an adaption. I both read the novel, and enjoy the anime, because I want to see what do the anime offer. Not the other way around. Sometimes it's disappointing to see because the show doesn't meet my expectations, but I appreciate the producer and adaption because it made me read the light novel. I did complain when things didn't follow what it should be, the lack of details, but it can't be blamed cause these are also a part of any adaption. |
Takana_no_HanaAug 19, 2012 5:07 PM
Aug 19, 2012 5:17 PM
#349
I feel like every episode discussion thread inevitably turns into a war between those who think this series is terrible and those who try to appreciate the episode. I've tried to make some explanations in favor of the series, but at the end of the day, I think there's little point in trying to counter every opinion different from your own. Those who don't like the series have either the choice of dropping it or coming back every week to rehash the same criticisms. It's whatever. |
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