Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse Episode 3 Discussion

shadowduel said:



BETA avoid the ocean unless they have too in which case they are fine with going through water its just they don't if they can avoid it.
and for the rest of the world here is what is actually going on.
In europe the beta advance is stopped at the strait of Dover England by the various remaining European military forces.The most powerful being the military of Germany, UK, and France.They are also augmented by an naval US carrier fleet and its marine expedition unit. The beta did make one successful push at London but the timely arrival of German CHIVALRY the catastrophe was averted and London was saved.
Down south the beta is held in check at the suez canal by the Turkish, Israeli and the Iranians. The BETA do want Africa but the Arabs and Jews managed to put their mutual grudge aside and instead channel it into smouldering, unchecked holy hatred of the BETAs. Between that and the Suez Canal becoming God's own Absolute Defense Line, the BETA have been unable to advance into Africa. Good thing, too, because a huge amount of the raw resources feeding America's world-supplying war industry come from the Africa.
In asia its at the philipines and Taiwan the betas are halted by the USMC and china and Taiwan's surviving forces.
Up north the russians managed to hold the line just west of magadan in siberia. And the US leased half of alaska to the Russians to house their political leaders and refugees.
The USA is virtually untouched due to the US airforce nuking canada when a beta hive landed in Manitoba and Saskatchewan before the hive managed to grow any laser classes. Over 40% of canada is radio active and so is part of North Dakota and Minnesota. Alberta, Saskatchewan,Manitoba and Ontario are no longer inhabitable.

antonn said:
Not really sure who to quote. But the reason why the US is fine is because when the BETA landed on Earth, they landed in Canada & the US nuked(literally, A-bombs) them as they landed.

shadowduel said:
The USA is virtually untouched due to the US airforce nuking canada when a beta hive landed in Manitoba and Saskatchewan before the hive managed to grow any laser classes. Over 40% of canada is radio active and so is part of North Dakota and Minnesota. Alberta, Saskatchewan,Manitoba and Ontario are no longer inhabitable.

shadowduel said:



BETA avoid the ocean unless they have too in which case they are fine with going through water its just they don't if they can avoid it.
and for the rest of the world here is what is actually going on.
In europe the beta advance is stopped at the strait of Dover England by the various remaining European military forces.The most powerful being the military of Germany, UK, and France.They are also augmented by an naval US carrier fleet and its marine expedition unit. The beta did make one successful push at London but the timely arrival of German CHIVALRY the catastrophe was averted and London was saved.
Down south the beta is held in check at the suez canal by the Turkish, Israeli and the Iranians. The BETA do want Africa but the Arabs and Jews managed to put their mutual grudge aside and instead channel it into smouldering, unchecked holy hatred of the BETAs. Between that and the Suez Canal becoming God's own Absolute Defense Line, the BETA have been unable to advance into Africa. Good thing, too, because a huge amount of the raw resources feeding America's world-supplying war industry come from the Africa.
In asia its at the philipines and Taiwan the betas are halted by the USMC and china and Taiwan's surviving forces.
Up north the russians managed to hold the line just west of magadan in siberia. And the US leased half of alaska to the Russians to house their political leaders and refugees.
The USA is virtually untouched due to the US airforce nuking canada when a beta hive landed in Manitoba and Saskatchewan before the hive managed to grow any laser classes. Over 40% of canada is radio active and so is part of North Dakota and Minnesota. Alberta, Saskatchewan,Manitoba and Ontario are no longer inhabitable.

Aversa said:
That sounds like a good possibility except from one thing.
Russia and China wouldn't hesitate to use nuclear weapons either and the strongest nuclear weapon ever made was Russian.
And even tho most country's in Europe deny having nuclear weapons they do actually have them.

Then there is also South America and Australia why are there no hives there?

Monad said:


Except if the hives landed inside Germany and Spain or something like that, holding a defense line in Britain makes no sense. If European forces had the power to hold a defense line against the BETA why would they get crammed-up in holding it in Britain and not holding in France or something when they still had some territory?
And how did the German troops came in help of London? Came from where? Their country and the rest of Europe is already under the BETA, weren't they already in London?
Also even if Iran, Israel and Turkish forces retreated in the Suez canal and somehow managed to hold it, the BETA can always attack from Spain or even under the Suez canal defense line since they got hold of Saudi Arabia.
Also who the hell holds a line at Philippines? If you are in Philippines there is no line to hold just a few islands.The BETA actually care about going there? If i was a BETA leader i would just ignore them and conquer everything else around them and let them starve to death. And Taiwan has survival forces? I didn't even knew they had an army.

BTw looking at that map again i see that Japan isn't conquered but only a few places of it. So Japan still holds?

Monad said:


Well against Hollywood beliefs, history has proven that Americans are actually more trigger happy than the Russians so yeah maybe Russians and Chinese did hesitated more on pushing the button. Especially if the hives where inside their lands and not a neighboring nation that they feel like they own.
And what Europe nations have nuclear power and deny it? Is no secret that France,United Kingdom have nuclear weapons. The only one i can think is Germany. Balkan states or Scandinavian states certainly don't have any.

South America and Australia? Maybe for the same reason no hive landed in middle of Africa. They landed the hives they had close to the strongest opponents.

Aversa said:
That sounds like a good possibility except from one thing.
Russia and China wouldn't hesitate to use nuclear weapons either and the strongest nuclear weapon ever made was Russian.
And even tho most country's in Europe deny having nuclear weapons they do actually have them.

Then there is also South America and Australia why are there no hives there?

Monad said:


Except if the hives landed inside Germany and Spain or something like that, holding a defense line in Britain makes no sense. If European forces had the power to hold a defense line against the BETA why would they get crammed-up in holding it in Britain and not holding in France or something when they still had some territory?
And how did the German troops came in help of London? Came from where? Their country and the rest of Europe is already under the BETA, weren't they already in London?
Also even if Iran, Israel and Turkish forces retreated in the Suez canal and somehow managed to hold it, the BETA can always attack from Spain or even under the Suez canal defense line since they got hold of Saudi Arabia.
Also who the hell holds a line at Philippines? If you are in Philippines there is no line to hold just a few islands.The BETA actually care about going there? If i was a BETA leader i would just ignore them and conquer everything else around them and let them starve to death. And Taiwan has survival forces? I didn't even knew they had an army.

BTw looking at that map again i see that Japan isn't conquered but only a few places of it. So Japan still holds?.

reaper_unique said:

Also, why did Japan send out young women when they still have men that can fight? It probably takes less time to train an able grown man than to train a young girl. It's a waste of resources, men are just (physically) stronger than women so they can handle physical abuse better.
The first two episodes were full of stupid plot elements just to show some fanservice and show as much drama as possible.

reaper_unique said:
Doesn't anyone else find it funny that an ET can just land on earth? I mean, if they really came from mars as the first episode suggested it means they have no atmosphere, no bacteria, etc.

Like hell they can just land on earth.

Also, why did Japan send out young women when they still have men that can fight? It probably takes less time to train an able grown man than to train a young girl. It's a waste of resources, men are just (physically) stronger than women so they can handle physical abuse better.
The first two episodes were full of stupid plot elements just to show some fanservice and show as much drama as possible.

Urobuchi said:
I agree about the fanservice and poor execution of the episodes though, but that's just poor adaption at work. The first two episodes aren't even part of the original story.

reaper_unique said:
Also, why did Japan send out young women when they still have men that can fight? It probably takes less time to train an able grown man than to train a young girl. It's a waste of resources, men are just (physically) stronger than women so they can handle physical abuse better.
The first two episodes were full of stupid plot elements just to show some fanservice and show as much drama as possible.

Monad said:


Cut it with your novel superiority syndrome already. It's so annoying. The series wasn't poorly executed and the second episode was awesome. Not being in the novel doesn't make it not awesome.
Also from what i hear this an alternative story so it isn't adaptation at all is it?

reaper_unique said:
Doesn't anyone else find it funny that an ET can just land on earth? I mean, if they really came from mars as the first episode suggested it means they have no atmosphere, no bacteria, etc.

Like hell they can just land on earth.

Also, why did Japan send out young women when they still have men that can fight? It probably takes less time to train an able grown man than to train a young girl. It's a waste of resources, men are just (physically) stronger than women so they can handle physical abuse better.
The first two episodes were full of stupid plot elements just to show some fanservice and show as much drama as possible.

Monad said:


Cut it with your novel superiority syndrome already. It's so annoying. The series wasn't poorly executed and the second episode was awesome. Not being in the novel doesn't make it not awesome.
Also from what i hear this an alternative story so it isn't adaptation at all is it?

Urobuchi said:


Total Eclipse isn't part of the main series, but it's still originally a light novel which means this is still an adaption. Also the actual Alternative VN which is 18+ (although there is an all ages version) is way more respectable in terms of fanservice and such which is kind of sad really and the fanservice is totally unnecessary to the show (outside of the suits themselves, but all the changing scenes and such and overused breast physics really aren't needed.) I would be saying that whether it was an adaption or not.

As for the first two episodes, they were too short no matter how you look at it. Yes it was a good idea to cover Yui's past, but it should have been 3 episodes, episode 2 went by way too fast and I think even the training part went by a bit too fast. "Not being in the novel" isn't the issue, this was actually a smart alteration, but it doesn't mean that the execution was as good as the idea. When I said it's not part of the original story I'm saying it so that people don't direct any issues they have with the anime at the franchise as a whole for things that the franchise didn't originally include.

But the real issues are with ignoring some basic and clearly stated facts, for example beams from Laser class BETA are meant to fire for a few seconds at a time rather than a single instant flash, they also require 12 seconds to recahrge for another shot and then there's the issue of TSFs instantly exploding to a single laser shot every time, when they're built to resist laser fire for about 4 seconds. When adapting something it's always good to remain as consistent and accurate as you can be rather than be lazy about details just because you assume most viewers will be ignorant of the source. Being able to get away with it isn't a good justification. Anyone is free to like this anime for what it is, even I'm enjoying it, but despite that it still has its fair share of issues as far as an adaption goes. These are all just minor things (well aside from the total lack of ablative coating causing TSFs to explode instantly, that's a pretty big deal actually), but like I said I'm enjoying it. Doesn't mean I can't point them out though.

What's "annoying" is people saying that other people can't critique a show based on how well it's adapted from the original just because they haven't seen the original themselves.