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Montrovant1488 said: ssjokg said: belatkuro said: Kerry vs Kirei was satisfactory at most parts. But that second block by Kirei of the Contender was disappointing. Where's my whirlwind punch that deflected the bullet and not absorbed it? And wtf happened to the Berserker vs Saber part. Why is is so gimped? Where's my flashbacks and the post battle talk. Dammit, BDs for sure. The Grail part was very satisfying though. Full of despair. Kerry's despair for the outcome of his wish was just...wow. And I knew it would end at that part. Saber's despair at Kerry's last commands. Really, aside from the Berserker vs Saber part, this would have been an awesome episode. Dammit. Last episode next week. And where F/Z ends, F/SN begins, as evident in the preview. Happy Father's Day. Dammit ufotable, you're doing this on purpose Forget the flashback.There was no despair,Saber successfullydeflected Lancelot's attacks in the anime,Lancelot's "death" was the most disappointing scene in both seasons and she didnt resist at all against the command sealsl.Even in the first it was just Excalibur revealing itself.... BD's better be good. 2/5 and it's the first time I rated a FZ ep below 5 Trust me no one really gives a shit (specially the producers) if you gave this show a big ass 0 or a 10, just to let you know and help you on your feet, ya feel me? Because I cant be disappointed ,right?With a fucking reason right?This is called an ep discussion for a reason you know. |
| Awesome episode, But damn why do I have to miss the final episode next week :( |
BloodRequiem said: Expect next episode to have shit pacing. No way they can cram everything including the epilogue within 23 minutes without further butchering the story. I'm just gonna skim through next episode for Kirei/Gil & Kirei/Rin scenes anyway (don't they DARE cut out those scenes). The rest are irrelevant to me lol |
Lumathy said: BloodRequiem said: Expect next episode to have shit pacing. No way they can cram everything including the epilogue within 23 minutes without further butchering the story. I'm just gonna skim through next episode for Kirei/Gil & Kirei/Rin scenes anyway (don't they DARE cut out those scenes). The rest are irrelevant to me lol I wonder how they are going to censor Gil's 3rd greatest treasure. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: Lumathy said: BloodRequiem said: Expect next episode to have shit pacing. No way they can cram everything including the epilogue within 23 minutes without further butchering the story. I'm just gonna skim through next episode for Kirei/Gil & Kirei/Rin scenes anyway (don't they DARE cut out those scenes). The rest are irrelevant to me lol I wonder how they are going to censor Gil's 3rd greatest treasure. As someone else said :"We arent worthy to witness the King's treasure." |
| "Kerry, what kind of man do you want to become?" Next episode T_T |
| I'm glad I didn't read the novel because I love this show and this episode. |
| "My tables-meet it is I set it down That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain." |
| wow berserker's fight was half assed. the episode itself was too fast paced even though they dropped the OP. YOU DON'T DROP OPENING THEMES UNLESS ITS THE FINAL EPISODE! |
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| I can understand a lot of the complaints about this ep. Even though Saber vs Berserker was the part I personally cared least about but, it was still handled way too poorly. I can only hope a little footage is added to the BD release. It certainly seems like there's a scene there which wasn't shown before the end. Kotomine vs Kiritsugu wasn't perfect but it was still good, and I didn't really expect much more. I'm glad they did a good job on the Grail scene, though, despite it being toned down for TV airing obviously. I really wish this had been a 1 hour episode, or better yet they should have done Kiritsugu's backstory in 1 episode. It's a short segment in the LN and it could have been squeezed into one without much problem. Now even the conclusion will probably feel a little rushed. I was hoping they'd pull everything off well enough despite time limits, but that double episode really screwed them over. It's not the first time it's happened though. I get the same kind of feeling that they just didn't have the time from the 6th Kara no Kyoukai movie, where they took out quite a bit from the original, although it was to a lesser extent here. I assume it was like that mainly because of lack of budget for a longer runtime, since they at least tried to add in some of it later in the end of the recap/remix movie, although it basically amounts to a voiceover. |
NavyCherub said: I'm glad I didn't read the novel because I love this show and this episode. Well, This Episode Stand Alone Is Really Good. I Don't Really Care About The LN Of This Though. NoobHunterD said: wow berserker's fight was half assed. the episode itself was too fast paced even though they dropped the OP. YOU DON'T DROP OPENING THEMES UNLESS ITS THE FINAL EPISODE! Yeah THIS! I Feel My Life Is Missing Without F/Z2 OP. D: |
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| My greatest issue with Lancelot vs Saber rushed duel is that they changed his heartfelt bittersweet farewell for "lol you still suck /ded." |
ssjokg said: As someone else said :"We arent worthy to witness the King's treasure." Why do i have a feeling that there's euphemism somewhere... NoobHunterD said: YOU DON'T DROP OPENING THEMES UNLESS ITS THE FINAL EPISODE! madoka ep11 says hello |
NNick said: YOU ALL CAN GO _____ yourselves. I haven't read the novel nor do i care at this point but this episode was beyond epic. ^ hahahah I liked all the despair stuff in this ep, but I just wanted to see more about Berserker and Saber... I shall probably read the novel.. |
| *Looks at first page* So they skipped some stuff from the novel? Well, it's understandable. They can't honestly hope to fit everything in 21 minutes. They even took the OP out in this episode. The action, for what it's worth, was insane here. I really like Kiritsugu's pragmatic fighting style. Oh yea, too bad Saber/Lancelot was cut a bit short. Anyway, 5/5 from me. |
| I didn't read the novel but I can tell they screwed some shit up. I did enjoy this episode but I did feel a little disappointed. The Kiritsugu vs Kotomine fight was awesome, the animation was just amazing. And it was nice to see Gil own Saber. I also really liked how Kiritsugus mind fuck scene was done. Damn that Angra Mainyu Kariya better get a closure next episode or else I'm going to rage. Oh yeah, weren't we supposed to get a remix version of Emiya? |
Ragna92Jun 17, 2012 9:50 AM
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| And poor pacing rears its ugly head. Don't get me wrong, the action in this episode was outstanding.The first part of the episode of the Kirei vs. Kiritsugu had me on the edge of my seat. But what rubs me the wrong way is the way that the Berserker vs. Saber scene was handled, the way that the Saber vs. Gilgamesh scene was handled and in general, providing the audience with an abundance of useless information, while omitting the key points. For instance, why was basically the ENTIRE story behind Berserker's fixation of Saber absolutely and completely omitted. If I hadn't spoilered it for myself long time ago, I would not have known that Kariya simply ran out of magic and Berserker was unable to deal the final blow. I would also not have known why Berserker can suddenly form sentences instead of all his previous grunting before his death. The proposal scene itself was extremely rushed as well. This isn't the final episode, but in general, over two seasons of Fate/Zero, we've had terrible pacing. For each moment in Fate/Zero which is breathtakingly awesome, but the are 10 more moments where either people are droning on about something irrelevant. To be honest, I was expecting this episode to focus on Berserker vs. Saber and a shorter Kirei vs Kiritsugu. The last episode dedicated to the final showdown between Saber and Gil. The extremely poor pacing really of the scriptwriters for this VN adapation is a huge disservice to the animators. |
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ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: Lumathy said: BloodRequiem said: Expect next episode to have shit pacing. No way they can cram everything including the epilogue within 23 minutes without further butchering the story. I'm just gonna skim through next episode for Kirei/Gil & Kirei/Rin scenes anyway (don't they DARE cut out those scenes). The rest are irrelevant to me lol I wonder how they are going to censor Gil's 3rd greatest treasure. As someone else said :"We arent worthy to witness the King's treasure." Indeed indeed. We're just mere mongrels after all. Only Enkidu, Kirei & Saber(?) qualify. As for how they will censor it, probably with some sparkling golden light with more focus to his face and less focus to his other places. |
| Why the fuck was this episode so fucking awesome. I was clenching my fist throughout the whole episode. Something must be wrong with me... |
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Omniknight said: To be fair, the proposal part was exactly the same as in the novels. Nothing was wrong with it. Gil was really the one with the upper hand as he's operating in full power while Saber was beat up by Lancelot. And he's firing swords at her because she's answering back. The only bad thing was that Saber didn't look like she was struggling when Kerry ordered her to destroy the Grail.And poor pacing rears its ugly head. Don't get me wrong, the action in this episode was outstanding.The first part of the episode of the Kirei vs. Kiritsugu had me on the edge of my seat. But what rubs me the wrong way is the way that the Berserker vs. Saber scene was handled, the way that the Saber vs. Gilgamesh scene was handled and in general, providing the audience with an abundance of useless information, while omitting the key points. For instance, why was basically the ENTIRE story behind Berserker's fixation of Saber absolutely and completely omitted. If I hadn't spoilered it for myself long time ago, I would not have known that Kariya simply ran out of magic and Berserker was unable to deal the final blow. I would also not have known why Berserker can suddenly form sentences instead of all his previous grunting before his death. The proposal scene itself was extremely rushed as well. This isn't the final episode, but in general, over two seasons of Fate/Zero, we've had terrible pacing. For each moment in Fate/Zero which is breathtakingly awesome, but the are 10 more moments where either people are droning on about something irrelevant. To be honest, I was expecting this episode to focus on Berserker vs. Saber and a shorter Kirei vs Kiritsugu. The last episode dedicated to the final showdown between Saber and Gil. The extremely poor pacing really of the scriptwriters for this VN adapation is a huge disservice to the animators. The Berseker vs Saber part, you've already heard it from the others so yeah. And this is an LN(light novel), not a VN(visual novel) adaptation. |
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| Sorry if this was brought up before (lol not reading 14 pages) but I just reread the novel/realized that, wait, a second, everything is supposed to be on fire. Kiritsugu vs Kirei and both Archer and Saber at the end, all of it was supposed to be surrounded in fire. You know, the great fire that's mentioned so much in F/SN? Holy shit, DEEN was more accurate for once, seriously, what the fuck ufotable |
TheRealBoyd said: The whole municipal hall was suppose to be on fire as it started on the carpark where Saber and Lancelot fought. Kerry and Kirei's fight was suppose to be on fire too as well as Gil's place where the Grail is. The great big fire in FSN is for next episode.Sorry if this was brought up before (lol not reading 14 pages) but I just reread the novel/realized that, wait, a second, everything is supposed to be on fire. Kiritsugu vs Kirei and both Archer and Saber at the end, all of it was supposed to be surrounded in fire. You know, the great fire that's mentioned so much in F/SN? Holy shit, DEEN was more accurate for once, seriously, what the fuck ufotable |
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belatkuro said: Oh, right, right, guess I should've reread a bit more.The whole municipal hall was suppose to be on fire as it started on the carpark where Saber and Lancelot fought. Kerry and Kirei's fight was suppose to be on fire too as well as Gil's place where the Grail is. The great big fire in FSN is for next episode. My point still stands, though, wtf ufotable? |
belatkuro said: Yeah, this. Next ep's the one with the corrupted Grail blowing up the city aka beginning of fsn.The great big fire in FSN is for next episode. This episode was somewhat rushed (like many have said) - HOWEVER, it was still thoroughly enjoyable. Sure the whole VS Berserker could have been longer but I'm guessing that's mainly due to the designated length of the episode (extended cut in the BD release, I hope). |
| The scenes are jumping here and there~ The fight with berserker is like, *flash*, berserker lost. I wonder what would the Grail show Kirei and Saber if they had gotten the Grail. |
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TheWitcher said: Lumathy said: TheWitcher said: I was still happy that Kirei got owned 90 % by Kerry This will stfu all the "Kirei stronger than Kerry" people. That's the only thing that was really 5/5 in this episode KIREI PAWNED Kerry with his BARE hands. He remains awesome while Kerry continue to make stupid decisions and got cursed for life. That was a funny failed comeback on behalf of a Kirei fanboy Bare fists - uses claws, cheating with the command seals PAWNED - got his hand badly damaged, begged for the Grail, got killed, lost, got pawned Don't be upset, you can still dream But why argue? Gil is still the most awesome so far in Fate/Zero along with Rider and Baksakah Kirei KILLED Kerry first. Plain & simple. lol@ the NERVE to talk about Kirei "cheating" with command seals when if not for Avalon Kerry would be dead 5 seconds into the match. Kirei is the only one laughing after all so why would I need to dream? lol Come at me bro'  |
zudiJun 16, 2012 11:22 PM
| ^ Well it really depends on what you specialize in. A marine corp versus Bruce Lee: if you gave Bruce Lee a sniper, and marine corp was with bare hands, it doesn't mean Bruce Lee will auto win. The man just wouldn't know how to use the sniper. Kirei specializes in close combat (which also happens to be fists) and Kerry specializes in long distance tactics. Obviously if one's not in their favoured situation, they'll be at a disadvantage. |
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| Kerry didn't exactly die and then went back to life though. He was seconds to death with the lack of oxygen in his brain plus messed up internal organs and then Avalon magically healed him. |
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| People still believe that Kerry is better than Kirei. WHY? Kirei's first punch sent Kerry's heart into his spine but lolAvalon saved him. After that we was only able to keep up with Kirei because lolAvalon stops his body from falling apart using time alters triple and square. In a conventional fight without lolAvalon Kerry would die in 10 seconds. |
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Kurogashi said: ^ Well it really depends on what you specialize in. A marine corp versus Bruce Lee: if you gave Bruce Lee a sniper, and marine corp was with bare hands, it doesn't mean Bruce Lee will auto win. The man just wouldn't know how to use the sniper. Kirei specializes in close combat (which also happens to be fists) and Kerry specializes in long distance tactics. Obviously if one's not in their favoured situation, they'll be at a disadvantage. Kiritsugu had info about Kirei. Kirei didn't know jack shit about Kiritsugu's fighting styles. Kiritsugu shot Kirei with contender and it didn't work. Kiritsugu panics and gets killed by a punch. Avalon brings Kiritsugu back and he launches a surprise attack and fails. Kiritsugu tried double accel to escape. Almost didn't work. Kiritsugu shot at Kirei but bullet was deflected (Not absorbed) with bare fists. Kiritsugu starts to abuse Avalon and tried triple accel. Still couldn't outrun Kirei to reload contender. Breaks Kirei's arm and tries to stab Kirei with a knife. Took advantage of the fact that Kirei had one arm and one eye functioning. Kirei uses some version of instinct and eye of the mind and dodged all the attacks. Kirei punches back Kiritsugu uses square accel to dodge and starts to bleed from all orifices. Threw a dagger at Kirei and injured Kirei's legs. And in the end Kiritsugu only won because he woke up sooner... Kirei pretty much had all the disadvantages in that fight. |
BloodRequiemJun 16, 2012 11:38 PM
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| Angra Mainyu: Happy Father's Day, Kiritsugu! I'd just like to point out that the ORIGIN BULLETS WOULD HAVE KILLED KIREI IN LESS THAN A SECOND WHEN THE MATCH BEGAN, IF HE DID'NT INHERIT THE MULTIPLE COMMAND SPELLS. Kiritsugu>Most Magus 1st Season EP11:LOTS OF COMPLAINT 2ND SEASON EP11:LOTS OF COMPLAINT |
ernstJun 16, 2012 11:55 PM
| "Why do I always realize it... when I've already lost it..." -Guts, Berserk "Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained." -Gilgamesh, Fate/stay night "We are constantly living in a peaceful world that somebody else won for us. Even if it were only a day of peace, I will be grateful for its value." - Minashiro Tsubaki, FAFNER "Screw you, future me!" -Makise Kurisu, Steins;Gate "We used to show off by waging wars and whatnot." -Watashi, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita "Call me Moses. I'm going to part the sea of students before your eyes." -Moses?, Valvrave "Time is guilty." -Andō & Tomoyo, INOU-Battle |
| All Gil wanted was his wedding ceremony... |
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shadowtsunami said: This is why people get the BD's. They most likely cut it to save time. I wouldn't be surprised if this episode gets a 10 minute extension. Fate/Zero DLC's!!! If you want more bang for your product!! Emiya remix DLC=$5.99 Extended Lancelot Scene+Flashback. Yours only for=$9.99 Enhanced Animation=$4.99 Purchase these DLC's today to experience the true Fate/Zero!!! Advert from Aniplex and UFOtable |
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| OK WTF just happened with this ep. I was hoping for some Berserker flashback since he's been IRRELEVANT the whole season and his only redemption was the short fight scene with Saber. At least freaking ell us why he's there or why he's going nuts for saber and all we got was the "oh you're miserable with that sword" WHOOP-DE-F*CKING-DOO. He's got the same relevancy as Assasin  I usually hate reading wikia articles but since I didn't understand sh!t, I got this: So.. Don't even get me started on that lackluster fight of SaberxBerserker. MESS BACKSTORY, MESS FIGHT SCENE. MESSSSSSSS.  The Saber/Archer/Kiritsugu scene I imagined since waay back from FSN days is better than this rushed-ass mess. I would say it's the "Inside the Grail" parts for being too long but it's actually integral to the story so can't shorten that one. The main problem of this episode is there is too much information compressed in a single episode, they should have expounded on some parts, mainly Berserker's backstory and fight with Saber. I know all servants, sans Saber, are going to die eventually but the single one who had a proper ending is RIDER. RIDER ALONE. Assassin is an irrelevant nobody to begin with so it's alright if he got shafted, but at least give a decent one for Berserker; he's actually connected to the series heroine  +1 point for well-executed Kiri vs Kirei, +1 for the "Grail was just trolling y'all LMAO" story, +0.5 for Archer.. being you know, Archer. Overall a disappointing 2.5  THIS SHOW IS A MESS WITHOUT RIDER LMAO, BRING BACK THE KING!  |
LanceCJun 17, 2012 12:17 AM
shadowtsunami said: Lumathy said: dankickyou said: Lumathy said: RAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! WHY IS UFOTABLE RUINING MY FATE/ZERO GODDAMNIT!!!!! Seriously, I knew this would freaking happen the moment I saw the preview last week. URRRRR. Rushed ART, rushed DEATH, rushed PROPOSAL, everything RUSHED.............. WHY??? To make you buy the BD's what else. I refuse to believe a studio like Ufotable would tarnish the penultimate episode unless its for a purpose. That purpose=$$$$$$$$$$ They did this with episode 11 too. Episode 11 was longer and they fixed some art in the BD version but overall the ART DROP is still noticeable compared to other eps. Seriously DERP FACE everywhere this episode. And that pacing? HORRIBLE!! DURRRRRRRWhy the hell do they always fuck up the important parts? CURSE YOU UFOTABLE I'm not buying your BD!!! Who's going to buy them anyway lol. Fate/Zero last time was like $300-$500 bucks like wtf. Just wait for the rips I guess. The pacing was faster than the rest but the episode was still pretty awesome (coming from a non-novel reader). Anyway last episode, and this anime is the best for spring 2012 lol. Probably going to start a review for it or something. It sold a tons last time so no doubt that lots of people are going to buy it, price is not the problem here. |
| What did I just watch. Such compressed a final battle Kiritsugu's choice was quite interesting though, to gaurentee the safety of your wife and child you have to kill every other human on earth. Tough call Sigh, next episode...Shirou's back. |
| EPIC AS ALWAYS AND ITS NOT BLUE ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAAAAAMN KIRITSUGU IS BADASS!!!!!!!!!!!(NO SHIT BUT STILL!) |
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shadowtsunami said: NICE! RE-WATCH MUST! Must do it, I call ONE SHOT! Look at both seasons in one go. Perhaps then it will give a full story better but it will take one whole day or more to watch it in one go. So far I can say that S1 and my own R&D resulted in being positive on multi level improvements along with the kids uncensored.InsaneZero said: No, the amount of content would only fill up half an episode, and having that separate from everything else that's going on would screw up the pacing more than the TV edits did. By the way, ufotable did confirm that this episode was cut for time, and the original version with OP will be included in the blu-ray. https://twitter.com/hikaruufo/status/214021914283352064 See InsaneZero did research so all the novel fans should stop complaining. They said that this ep would be cut and to watch it on the blu rays. That's why we didn't have an opening this time. You got to remember that TV edits cut at least 8-10 minutes of a show out because of commercials. That being said, I am looking forward to comparison charts of changes in S2. NET PEOPLE GO! I still don't know how they do this. I could not really do this as much as charts of it on multi segments and pin points parts. Well my IMO. |
| There's one thing I do not understand, why would the grail show him the boat scenario of always saving the majority if the grail was wanting him to do the exact opposite? |
| I was expecting more rage on here about the loli killing to be honest. |
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anonvulture said: Tch. Executor = someone who passed Church-based murder training = just another phrase for elite training. Really not enough. Unlike that other Executor, Kirei is not an immortal former-vampire freak in a universe where vampires are overpowered. Obviously deflecting a bullet that fast, at that range, with those properties, is more than just feats of strength or fast running (50 km/h isn't *that* much faster than what an Olympic sprinter can do over short distances) or punching an unskilled, stupid metal porcupine which does an absolutely terrible job of fighting back. You: a) improve your reaction time by a factor of what, 100? b) Overcome and ignore any information processing delay that occurs with standard human vision c) harden your soft pink flesh *so much* that a bullet, from that gun, at that speed, which would normally punch a nice hole in all sorts of harder-than-flesh shit, into something strong enough that deflects it with no penetration done d) do said hardening instantly before the bullet actually hits which is within a tiny fraction of a second e) come away with only self-inflected damage because his insta-flesh-hardening technique was flawed, oh and a torn sleeve, woo Look at all that bullshit. He couldn't at least go heavily reinforce his already-somewhat-anti-bullet kevlar jacket or some shit like that? Laying out the phrase "elite training" totally covers it, right? You're still missing the point all his strength feats against Shirou (like punching straight to blades that were fakey NOBLE PHANTASMS propping out his body and still sending Shirou flying and making him hurt) did it without magic reinforcement which is even more impressive than punching a crappy bullet on his prime (since he was almost dead and older). He brought down a tree without magic. He's supposed to be a monster (more accurately, he's probably closer to what an average person in the past was supposed to be. That's probably why Gilgamesh hangs out with him. Since he's one of the few non mongrels left). Even Kiritsugu thinks about what a freak of nature he is that he turned his body into a living weapon. His *muscles* were able to deflect bullets (it's mentioned in the forest fight chapters of the novels, his muscles are like iron). If you wanted a normal person, there's Waver. Kirei was never meant to be a regular person. |
ThessJun 17, 2012 1:09 AM
| Also 1 possible inconsistency, but don't quite remember well enough. Didn't Kirei say he was the one that cursed Kiritsugu with the Grail's liquid in FSN? |
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dankickyou said: People still believe that Kerry is better than Kirei. WHY? Kirei's first punch sent Kerry's heart into his spine but lolAvalon saved him. After that we was only able to keep up with Kirei because lolAvalon stops his body from falling apart using time alters triple and square. In a conventional fight without lolAvalon Kerry would die in 10 seconds. Saying who is better is like the EMIYA vs Arturia combat situation. Saber would waste Archer in melee combat. Period. She's a lot stronger. That's Kirei. Archer, just like Kiritsugu needs the advantage of planning and range snipping. Also the battle before the Grail intervened was going to end in double KO/death, IIRC. They both knew it: Kirei was going to decapitate Kiritsugu (which he couldn't heal), but he was going to get an Origin Bullet on his chest. |
ThessJun 17, 2012 1:16 AM
| That punch. Wow. Square Accel. Wow. |
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| O_O too fast but I liked it! |
| My late impression about this episode. Wow, this episode was really freaking good. |
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