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NNick said: ssjokg said: NNick said: Who's Shirou? Maybe this episode wasn't good for people who have watched/read other fate products or whatever, you know, like when Harry Potter fans say books are better than movies. Fate/stay night main char. If you dont feel like entire scenes were missing then ok. kenshin_sama said: Destruction of the grail, love it! Still don't agree with Lancelot as Berserker, that really threw out any love I had for this series. >.< Why? Yeah, just rewatched it again, it was pretty, random, but hell, its Berserker, who cares. Everything else was amazing though. I CARE. I mean hell, it's frekin Lancelot, one of the greatest knights I've read about. And he shows great loyalty to King Arthur too, I really don't feel like this concept should have been walked on unless it was ABSOLUTELY necessary (which in this case I felt could have been left out). Not only was the treachery a bad enough mess of his character, they make him into a mindless fighter fuck that does not fit his character at all. I probably could have overlooked this if they at least made some more interesting development from this twist, but they just kind of threw it in there and nothing good came from it at all. =/ |
kenshin_sama said: NNick said: ssjokg said: NNick said: Who's Shirou? Maybe this episode wasn't good for people who have watched/read other fate products or whatever, you know, like when Harry Potter fans say books are better than movies. Fate/stay night main char. If you dont feel like entire scenes were missing then ok. kenshin_sama said: Destruction of the grail, love it! Still don't agree with Lancelot as Berserker, that really threw out any love I had for this series. >.< Why? Yeah, just rewatched it again, it was pretty, random, but hell, its Berserker, who cares. Everything else was amazing though. I CARE. I mean hell, it's frekin Lancelot, one of the greatest knights I've read about. And he shows great loyalty to King Arthur too, I really don't feel like this concept should have been walked on unless it was ABSOLUTELY necessary (which in this case I felt could have been left out). Not only was the treachery a bad enough mess of his character, they make him into a mindless fighter fuck that does not fit his character at all. I probably could have overlooked this if they at least made some more interesting development from this twist, but they just kind of threw it in there and nothing good came from it at all. =/ One of the things that were cut were what made Lancelot fit in the Berserker class without making him a treacherous bastard.Also his death in the LN shows how royal he was |
kenshin_sama said: NNick said: ssjokg said: NNick said: Who's Shirou? Maybe this episode wasn't good for people who have watched/read other fate products or whatever, you know, like when Harry Potter fans say books are better than movies. Fate/stay night main char. If you dont feel like entire scenes were missing then ok. kenshin_sama said: Destruction of the grail, love it! Still don't agree with Lancelot as Berserker, that really threw out any love I had for this series. >.< Why? Yeah, just rewatched it again, it was pretty, random, but hell, its Berserker, who cares. Everything else was amazing though. I CARE. I mean hell, it's frekin Lancelot, one of the greatest knights I've read about. And he shows great loyalty to King Arthur too, I really don't feel like this concept should have been walked on unless it was ABSOLUTELY necessary (which in this case I felt could have been left out). Not only was the treachery a bad enough mess of his character, they make him into a mindless fighter fuck that does not fit his character at all. I probably could have overlooked this if they at least made some more interesting development from this twist, but they just kind of threw it in there and nothing good came from it at all. =/ it's UFOTABLE'S FAULT. They cut his flashback. You can start insulting them now. |
NNick said: Hopefully i don't get banned or something for saying this , but where can i get LN? ___________________________________________________ Fate Stay Night looks even worse than Fate Zero, for me, worse animation and , idk, looks just weird. No shit,FSN anime is worse than FZ?I dont fucking believe you |
NNick said: Hopefully i don't get banned or something for saying this , but where can i get LN? ___________________________________________________ Fate Stay Night looks even worse than Fate Zero, for me, worse animation and , idk, looks just weird. DON'T WATCH FATE/STAY NIGHT ANIME, actually, stay away from it as far as you can or you may get herps. |
ssjokg said: NNick said: Hopefully i don't get banned or something for saying this , but where can i get LN? ___________________________________________________ Fate Stay Night looks even worse than Fate Zero, for me, worse animation and , idk, looks just weird. No shit,FSN anime is worse than FZ?I dont fucking believe you How could FSN be worse than FZ? Yeah sure FZ is epic and all but FSN would be at least on par with FZ. Back on the episode, ufotable..why? why would you do this to all the fans out there? We were all expecting something great and they just trolled every fans out there with the half assed berserker scene.I dont mind they left out abit of the kirei punch as most of the fighting scenes are done nicely but at least give me back my berserker plot! They needed 13 episodes for this second season, 12 just wont cut it. |
on Kiev said: ssjokg said: NNick said: Hopefully i don't get banned or something for saying this , but where can i get LN? ___________________________________________________ Fate Stay Night looks even worse than Fate Zero, for me, worse animation and , idk, looks just weird. No shit,FSN anime is worse than FZ?I dont fucking believe you How could FSN be worse than FZ? Yeah sure FZ is epic and all but FSN would be at least on par with FZ. Back on the episode, ufotable..why? why would you do this to all the fans out there? We were all expecting something great and they just trolled every fans out there with the half assed berserker scene.I dont mind they left out abit of the kirei punch as most of the fighting scenes are done nicely but at least give me back my berserker plot! They needed 13 episodes for this second season, 12 just wont cut it. You mean to say that FSN anime is on par with FZ anime?How is that even possible? |
NNick said: :D , I thought people here liked FSN more than FZ , guess i was wrong. ________________________________________________________ Aw, LN is like 1000 pages, my eyes... So i should read LN firsts then Visual Novel? The FSN Visual novel vs FZ LN preference depends to the person.But FZ anime isnt anywhere near the trash FSN anime is. Since you watched the anime, it doesnt really matter now |
ssjokg said: You mean to say that FSN anime is on par with FZ anime?How is that even possible? Scrap that, my bad. I didnt mean that in a anime point of view, but the plot point of view :( |
Kiev said: ssjokg said: NNick said: Hopefully i don't get banned or something for saying this , but where can i get LN? ___________________________________________________ Fate Stay Night looks even worse than Fate Zero, for me, worse animation and , idk, looks just weird. No shit,FSN anime is worse than FZ?I dont fucking believe you How could FSN be worse than FZ? Yeah sure FZ is epic and all but FSN would be at least on par with FZ. Back on the episode, ufotable..why? why would you do this to all the fans out there? We were all expecting something great and they just trolled every fans out there with the half assed berserker scene.I dont mind they left out abit of the kirei punch as most of the fighting scenes are done nicely but at least give me back my berserker plot! They needed 13 episodes for this second season, 12 just wont cut it. Comparing Fate/Zero anime to Fate/stay night anime is like comparing gold to brick. Let's stop with this nonsense since it's not even funny. |
Kiev said: ssjokg said: You mean to say that FSN anime is on par with FZ anime?How is that even possible? Scrap that, my bad. I didnt mean that in a anime point of view, but the plot point of view :( Well if you were to ask me which I prefer I wouldnt know what to say...There are things I like and dislike in both of them. |
Lumathy said: Comparing Fate/Zero anime to Fate/stay night anime is like comparing gold to brick. Let's stop with this nonsense since it's not even funny. Kiev said: ssjokg said: You mean to say that FSN anime is on par with FZ anime?How is that even possible? Scrap that, my bad. I didnt mean that in a anime point of view, but the plot point of view :( |
| Mindfuck, mindfucks everywhere... and did I just hear Shirou O_O |
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ssjokg said: Kiev said: ssjokg said: You mean to say that FSN anime is on par with FZ anime?How is that even possible? Scrap that, my bad. I didnt mean that in a anime point of view, but the plot point of view :( Well if you were to ask me which I prefer I wouldnt know what to say...There are things I like and dislike in both of them. I would probably prefer FZ a little bit more compare to FSN though..But still hands down to ufotable they did a great job animating the series, although its not perfect, it was close. |
| Ugh. This is why they shouldn't have wasted time with inappropriate focus on Rin and Kiritsugu flashback episodes. Awful pacing strikes again. |
Thess said: Ugh. This is why they shouldn't have wasted time with inappropriate focus on Rin and Kiritsugu flashback episodes. Awful pacing strikes again. Simply awful pacing would be a blessing... |
Dusk252 said: Thess said: Rin episode was enjoyable but yeah, it was pretty much pointless, specially considering how the best part was the dialogue between Aoi and Kariya, which was cut in favor of original Rin cuteness.Ugh. This is why they shouldn't have wasted time with inappropriate focus on Rin and Kiritsugu flashback episodes. Awful pacing strikes again. Kiritsugu's development was really important but... considering the time they had they could have made it only one episode rather than two. They could have used another method (flashback dreams in between episodes) rather than stretching a short interlude so much to make TWO episodes. Or add them as special bonus in the bluray set I (since it technically was an interlude). Or they could have made a series of 26 episodes, with episode 26 as 40 minutes long finale as the beginning. Eh, anyway, still doesn't excuse of why didn't Saber get her ass kicked by Berserker until he decided to throw himself into her sword. Then again, they didn't make obvious Rider lost his chariot because he chose to prioritize Waver. Trying to make her appear winning her battles fairly rather than "the enemy wanted/was weakened" as Gen wrote them (aside of Caster)? |
InsaneZero said: No, the amount of content would only fill up half an episode, and having that separate from everything else that's going on would screw up the pacing more than the TV edits did. By the way, ufotable did confirm that this episode was cut for time, and the original version with OP will be included in the blu-ray. https://twitter.com/hikaruufo/status/214021914283352064 The point is, how much from what they animated was cut from this ep? |
InsaneZero said: No, the amount of content would only fill up half an episode, and having that separate from everything else that's going on would screw up the pacing more than the TV edits did. By the way, ufotable did confirm that this episode was cut for time, and the original version with OP will be included in the blu-ray. https://twitter.com/hikaruufo/status/214021914283352064 Been their plot all along to make us buy the blu rays, like all the other anime out there would. :( gotta fork up some cash again |
| Such a shame. Arturia vs Lancelot was much more emotional in the novel. Way to butcher it up. It's fine though. It was still enjoyable. The Ilya/Iri scene was fantastically done. If they had done it 50 minutes like the 1st episode, the pacing wouldve been perfect. It was rushed and cut, but oh well. Will watch the BD release. Still, it was a great episode. |
| By the way, the lack of a Emiya remix is disturbing. |
InsaneZero said: ssjokg said: InsaneZero said: No, the amount of content would only fill up half an episode, and having that separate from everything else that's going on would screw up the pacing more than the TV edits did. By the way, ufotable did confirm that this episode was cut for time, and the original version with OP will be included in the blu-ray. https://twitter.com/hikaruufo/status/214021914283352064 The point is, how much from what they animated was cut from this ep? Judging from the episode, about 5 to 10 minutes. It's very evident that there's a lot of content that's been cut, to the point where two scenes back to back aren't consistent at all. The biggest one is the fact that Lancelot somehow managed to jump into Saber's sword, like Thess pointed out. the conclusion to Saber and Lancelot's fight was worse than any shounen series were the main char wins just because he/she is the main character |
| Lancelot vs Arturia novel scene (yes, I'm pissed, since it was one of my favorite scenes), it removes a lot of her motivation of FSN without it! |
| Another excellent episode and it seems to me the whole Irisviel shit was illusionnary at most. Kirei still retains the real killer deal. My thoughts follow. About the beginning, the beginning was totally KICKASS in the spoiler About Saber VS Berserker, although short lived in the spoiler About Kiritsugu VS Kirei, one of the most remarkable things of the fight from the start in the spoiler  Kirei got something nice for killing Irisviel! DAMN BASTARD! I was very happy to see him at least get a nice wound like that. In the follow up in the spoiler About Irisviel x Kiritsugu, FUCKED UP! Really resumes the whole segment itself. I knew it was kind of a illusionnary thing. I could not believe shit like that happened so conveniently. Especially since Irisviel was already dead. One to remark is the Solar Eclipse in the spoiler Then comes interrupting this some weird shit! We have in the spoiler  along with the spoiler About Kiritsugu VS Kirei part 2, well well in thee end looks like Kiritsugu kills Kirei in the spoiler About thee end of the episode, well well who do we have taking advantage of a weak Saber in the spoiler As the last phase in the spoiler As a final though Fuuuuuuuuu that illusions of Irisviel being killed by Kiritsugu. It was RAGING and DEPRESSING! BTW Nice Image of Alternate Saber I found in the spoiler (NSFW) Some GIFs of Kirei’s Jacky-Chan moves in the spoiler |
Yumekichi11Jun 16, 2012 11:06 AM
| Now that I'm calm, some real thoughts about this ep: - KIREI >>>> Kiritsugu and this ep made it clear. The moment Kiritsugu got his ass kicked was such bliss for me~~ ~ YAH. That fight was definitely the highlight of this ep even though it could be done better. - The scene in the grail, since I don't like for Kiritsugu I don't rly feel anything special watching it. They did ok with this part I guess. - Duncare for Berserker so it was whatever, they trolled him & Kariya this ep but.. yeah, move on. - One of my most awaited scene, Saber vs Gil (not much of a fight alright), I was very disappointed. It was RUSHED, the art was ugly. Not enough Saber's tears of despair. Not enough Gil screen time (but at least with little time he had he was funny) - Dat last command seal was also rushed, they should just skipped the ED. |
| Need the BD vers. NOW. Why the hell did they have to rush this whole episode?! Worst part was the Berserker vs. Saber fight At least those who like Kiritsugu won't hate this episode that much... Oh yeah, I forgot |
DaisyDuck3008Jun 16, 2012 11:07 AM
Lumathy said: - Dat last command seal was also rushed, they should just skipped the ED. True. If they skipped the opening, why not the ending. That minute and 30 seconds could have been used for something better. |
DaisyDuck3008 said: Oh yeah, I forgot About Kariya... |
ssjokg said: the conclusion to Saber and Lancelot's fight was worse than any shounen series were the main char wins just because he/she is the main character There was no other way to win against Lancelot though. He is the best fighter of her times. She knew she was done for. He wanted to lose, so that was her only salvation. And that Kariya was a bad master (but even then, he could have eaten other people's prana). |
| It was short (obviously) but still enjoyable. It was entertaining how Gil was making fun of Saber while using his Gate of Babylon on her. |
| As someone who has not read the source material, nor gives a flying shit about it, I thought this episode was awesome. |
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Linkark07 said: DaisyDuck3008 said: Oh yeah, I forgot About Kariya... Thanks for telling, that rushed ep just confused me |
Thess said: ssjokg said: the conclusion to Saber and Lancelot's fight was worse than any shounen series were the main char wins just because he/she is the main character There was no other way to win against Lancelot though. He is the best fighter of her times. She knew she was done for. He wanted to lose, so that was her only salvation. And that Kariya was a bad master (but even then, he could have eaten other people's prana). I am talking about the anime.It was totally out of nowhere.In the LN at least you read how it happened.The anime just show Saber with her sword in Lancelot...wtf? |
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