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jeroz said: one fun trivia next week is the 10th of June. Erm... what does that mean exactly? Edit: Never mind. Found out. |
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| Judging on how much people hate Kirei for "killing" Irisviel I'm guessing people will all start hating on |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: Judging on how much people hate Kirei for "killing" Irisviel I'm guessing people will all start hating on And then we will have to explain everything. And Iri was going to die either way so hating Kirei for THAT is irrational.Kirei made Kiritsugu a favour by killing her instead of letting him kill someone he loves again. @Trenerka What? |
| It was just a matter of time when Iri was going to get the axe. Still a sad moment in any case. |
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ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: Judging on how much people hate Kirei for "killing" Irisviel I'm guessing people will all start hating on And then we will have to explain everything. And Iri was going to die either way so hating Kirei for THAT is irrational.Kirei made Kiritsugu a favour by killing her instead of letting him kill someone he loves again. @Trenerka What? That scene with Illya was great. "It will never happen to you." But she may be a little bit |
BloodRequiemJun 2, 2012 2:38 PM
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: Judging on how much people hate Kirei for "killing" Irisviel I'm guessing people will all start hating on And then we will have to explain everything. And Iri was going to die either way so hating Kirei for THAT is irrational.Kirei made Kiritsugu a favour by killing her instead of letting him kill someone he loves again. @Trenerka What? That scene with Illya was great. "It will never happen to you." But she may be a little bit What do you mean?Surely she didnt understand was going on what i dont get what you mean by that.... nvm.... |
ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: Judging on how much people hate Kirei for "killing" Irisviel I'm guessing people will all start hating on And then we will have to explain everything. And Iri was going to die either way so hating Kirei for THAT is irrational.Kirei made Kiritsugu a favour by killing her instead of letting him kill someone he loves again. @Trenerka What? That scene with Illya was great. "It will never happen to you." But she may be a little bit What do you mean?Surely she didnt understand was going on what i dont get what you mean by that.... The charming Gilgamesh was a |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: Judging on how much people hate Kirei for "killing" Irisviel I'm guessing people will all start hating on And then we will have to explain everything. And Iri was going to die either way so hating Kirei for THAT is irrational.Kirei made Kiritsugu a favour by killing her instead of letting him kill someone he loves again. @Trenerka What? That scene with Illya was great. "It will never happen to you." But she may be a little bit What do you mean?Surely she didnt understand was going on what i dont get what you mean by that.... The charming Gilgamesh sure was a Oh I see what you did there... |
| I wonder if they are still gonna use CG for Berserker next episode. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: I wonder if they are still gonna use CG for Berserker next episode. Since the CG are used for Someones Glory,they will probably change it when he draws |
ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: Judging on how much people hate Kirei for "killing" Irisviel I'm guessing people will all start hating on And then we will have to explain everything. Does that make a difference when |
| What's on June 10th? |
Totentanz said: Nice move there, Kirei, putting up Berserker against Saber so that he can deal with Rider without them interfering. It's quite interesting in how many cases characters are motivated by the wish to wipe out the from their point of view illusionary and pathetic ideals of certain people and to prove them wrong. The first one was Waver who opposed to Kayneth's belief in the dominance of bloodlines but until now Saber has been the biggest target of this kind of endeavour by Rider and Kiritsugu. Ironically, the wish to destroy the latter one's ideals becomes Kirei's final motivation in this war and judging from what has happened until now it is safe to assume that Kiritsugu's ideals will not fare better than those of any of the other participants. Kirei is the exception here as he neither possesses any ideals like Saber and her master nor does he follow a certain moral code like Kaneth and Tokiomi and he certainly seems to be favoured by the writer as he is the most successful in the game. I could expand on this a little bit. Gen Urobuchi, at least in Fate/Zero, seems to be a nihilist. It might seem that he favors Kirei, but that might be because Kieri has yet to realize his idealism, a more sinister form of Archer's ideal of enjoying oneself. In reality, Gen Urobuchi really favors Waver. Let me explain. Fate/Zero is claiming that virtues shouldn't exist, by showing the consequences of natural progression of these virtues. The servants, masters, even Irisviel and Maya--all are destroyed by themselves, specifically their so-called virtues. I mentioned Irisviel because the end scene of this episode is a perfect description of the end of her salvation. Gripping. Interestingly, we have two exceptions, one which makes no sense, the other fits in perfectly with the central concept of Nihilism. The pair of Caster and Ryunosuke have followed the high ideal of violence and though both succumbed to it, they had a 'happy' salvation. This pair is a complete enigma to me. The other exception, Waver, makes more sense. Though Rider imparts his ideals to Waver, Waver doesn't make them his own. Instead, Waver becomes a stronger person, while realizing how puny he is the thick of all things. Waver realizes that there is no ideal that can provide him with salvation, thus Waver develops into the Ubermensch that Kiritsugu never could. |
LostHanyou said: What's on June 10th? The death of Alexander the Great. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
Thess said: ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: Judging on how much people hate Kirei for "killing" Irisviel I'm guessing people will all start hating on And then we will have to explain everything. Does that make a difference when |
| This episode pretty much confirms the fact that the Waver/Rider combo is the only set of characters I still have an interest in, even if they didn't get much development either. Also Kotomine, but I suspect some of that is what lingered from F/SN. The scene where Waver used up all of his command seals was amazing. I will be looking forward to what will apparently be Rider's last battle. |
MissileSoup said: This episode pretty much confirms the fact that the Waver/Rider combo is the only set of characters I still have an interest in, even if they didn't get much development either. Also Kotomine, but I suspect some of that is what lingered from F/SN. The scene where Waver used up all of his command seals was amazing. I will be looking forward to what will apparently be Rider's last battle. Waver was probably the most developed character after Kirei in Fate/Zero. Rider was also developed, but it's more subtle, it'll make sense in next episode. |
| Kirei, YOU MOTHER FUCKER i know Irisviel didnt have long to live but what he did was uncalled for, i hope Kiritsugu rip him a new ass hole |
Hydnlife said: Kirei, YOU MOTHER FUCKER i know Irisviel didnt have long to live but what he did was uncalled for, i hope Kiritsugu rip him a new ass hole You should have thanked Kirei for killing Irisviel Also "I Hope Kiritsugu rip him a new ass hole" Hahahahaha |
BloodRequiemJun 2, 2012 4:54 PM
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: Hydnlife said: Kirei, YOU MOTHER FUCKER i know Irisviel didnt have long to live but what he did was uncalled for, i hope Kiritsugu rip him a new ass hole You should have thanked Kirei for killing Irisviel Also "I Hope Kiritsugu rip him a new ass hole" Hahahahaha well Kiritsugu |
BloodRequiem said: You should have thanked Kirei for killing Irisviel Indeed. I think it's good Kirei killed her. Otherwise it would have been much worse. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Looks like the big battle is coming. Feel sad for Irisviel death though... |
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| Decided to watch the ed all the way through this ep for the first time and damn that hit me pretty hard. Poor Iri.. Alexander and Waver just lol.. so much bro. Great scene. Next week the action's back and I am so looking forward to it. |
| must..not..read..anymore..posts..too..tempted..to..read..spoilers.. DX Must delete everything I've read here from my mental SSD. That 10th of June planning/coincidence is f'ing unbelievable tho.. :o |
newnar said: I'm gonna buy a figurine of Kirei just so that I can chop him up SAW style. Apart from that, relatively good episode. Didn't really explain the whole ley-lines/holy grail thing properly but meh. Waver does another stupid thing, probably his last. There are four gates in Fuyuki where the Grail can be summoned: Ryuudou temple(where Kiritsugu was),Tohsaka mansion,the church and the city council hall. Leylines are paths of magical energy or mana that go through those places.BloodRequiem,Thess or Leon-gun can probably explain it better... And what do you mean by stupid?What he did was probably one of the two most clever things he did.The other is |
ssjokgJun 2, 2012 7:08 PM
ssjokg said: newnar said: I'm gonna buy a figurine of Kirei just so that I can chop him up SAW style. Apart from that, relatively good episode. Didn't really explain the whole ley-lines/holy grail thing properly but meh. Waver does another stupid thing, probably his last. There are four gates in Fuyuki where the Grail can be summoned: Ryuudou temple(where Kiritsugu was),Tohsaka mansion,the church and the city council hall. Leylines are paths of magical energy or mana that go through those places.BloodRequiem,Thess or Leon-gun can probably explain it better... And what do you mean by stupid?What he did was probablyone of the two most clever thing he did.The other is @ssjokg.He probably meant Waver using all his command spells. @newnar There are 4 places where the grail is suitable to be summoned to and that's where the ley line crossing are the most favourable. 1.Church 2.Ryuudou temple 3.Tohsaka mansion 4.Citizens building And no. It is not a stupid decision to give up on the war. Even though the commands were very general they still gave Iskander some boosts considering they weren't against his wishes. Also refer to Rider and Waver's little chat in the forest and Waver and old man scene on the roof. With rider: "Boy, if we have knowledge about the grails nature then I have no objection against you risking your life. But we don't even know what it is." With old man: "I don't known how important what you are doing is to you, but nothing is worth risking your life for" (somewhere along those lines) These two conversations are basically massive shits taken on top of Kiritsugu's ideals and life which you will see in a few episodes. |
BloodRequiemJun 2, 2012 7:21 PM
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
Thats why I said it was a clever thing to do. |
| My impression about this episode. Waaa Waaa!! |
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| Spoilers. Spoilers everywhere. |
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| Finally caught up.. Looks like waver finally came back home walking. That grandpa scene was real ;; Damn wuts with all the neck grabbing in this anime Lol |
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ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: Hydnlife said: Kirei, YOU MOTHER FUCKER i know Irisviel didnt have long to live but what he did was uncalled for, i hope Kiritsugu rip him a new ass hole You should have thanked Kirei for killing Irisviel Also "I Hope Kiritsugu rip him a new ass hole" Hahahahaha well Kiritsugu |
Thess said: ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: Hydnlife said: Kirei, YOU MOTHER FUCKER i know Irisviel didnt have long to live but what he did was uncalled for, i hope Kiritsugu rip him a new ass hole You should have thanked Kirei for killing Irisviel Also "I Hope Kiritsugu rip him a new ass hole" Hahahahaha well Kiritsugu If you put it that way yeah. |
| Shit's about to get real. |
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| to be honest though, don't think Waver is into the grail any longer. It makes sense for him to cut ties with Rider since he sincerely wanted Rider to succeed and so far he's been nothing but a hindrance (from his own point of view) to him. He will probably never get to prove himself, but the experience and the life lesson he obtained in this tournament is probably greater than anything he'd hoped for. |
jeroz said: He was never into the grail. He wanted the Grail because he wanted Kayneth to acknowledge his talent. With Kayneth dead, a tournament full of demented Masters (murderers, terrorists, old men who'd torture their own family for shits and giggles, you name it), and a Grail that sounds to be less and less enticing by the moment, I'd say it's normal he'd pack his bags. His heart was never in it. However the 3 Commands carry a big message in Waver's intentions. He was giving up but he wanted Rider to win and accomplish his goals. So he chose precisely the three things Rider wanted: Victory, The Prize of the War (a real body so he could remain in the world), and to conquer the world.to be honest though, don't think Waver is into the grail any longer. It makes sense for him to cut ties with Rider since he sincerely wanted Rider to succeed and so far he's been nothing but a hindrance (from his own point of view) to him. He will probably never get to prove himself, but the experience and the life lesson he obtained in this tournament is probably greater than anything he'd hoped for. |
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Wasabi said: Like every F/Z 2nd season episode discussion out there. Nothing unusual now. It's always the same people doing the spoiling. We're still missing at least two more people I think.Spoilers. Spoilers everywhere. |
belatkuroJun 2, 2012 8:37 PM
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| Great build up episode to the big finale! Can't wait for the last 3 that will conclude Fate\Zero. I am blessed to witness this show. |
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| Great episode, the final battle is almost here. Looking forward to Gilgamesh vs Rider. It will definitely be my favorite fight in the show. I really liked the Rider and Waver scenes. It would be sad to see either of them go. |
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| Sucks knowing that there are only 3 more episodes left, man and that will be the end of fate for me (until F/HA gets translated). Man don't know what I'm gonna do. Is the light novel for F/Z worth a read even though I've been watching the anime? Do they leave out enough stuff to make it worth the read? |
EOTW said: Sucks knowing that there are only 3 more episodes left, man and that will be the end of fate for me (until F/HA gets translated). Man don't know what I'm gonna do. Is the light novel for F/Z worth a read even though I've been watching the anime? Do they leave out enough stuff to make it worth the read? Yes. Read the novel. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| don't forget about prisma illya :D |
| I feel like nothing has been happening in this show, lol. every week I'm thinking "is there actually gonna be a fight next week?" |
TiamatNM said: I feel like nothing has been happening in this show, lol. every week I'm thinking "is there actually gonna be a fight next week?" well, by process of elimination there should only have 6 fights, but we had at least 8 already. Be grateful. |
TiamatNM said: I feel like nothing has been happening in this show, lol. every week I'm thinking "is there actually gonna be a fight next week?" Berserker vs Saber, Rider vs Gilgamesh and Kotomine vs Kiritsugu are the "big" battles. |
| damnit... i reallly really really wanna find out what happens next... i ship GILGAMESHXXSABER FTW!!! |
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Yusa-pyan said: damnit... i reallly really really wanna find out what happens next... i ship GILGAMESHXXSABER FTW!!! ...Not shipping Irisviel X Saber ...Not shipping Gilgamesh X Kirei What are you doing? |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| 25 minutes felt more like 5... and then another week to wait.. WTF is this!!! |
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