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| the butterfly effect is one of my favorite films :D i really like this series, i think it is getting really good with all of the time crossovers and sturf. |
kaminakun said: First of all tell him at least to see it in BD :P Second, he can read the Vn summaries they still have more data and time to think over what one has read. Sure helped me to know who is John Titor. :Pbakuramariks said: Gotta watch the episode again ^^, maybe even all the episodes so i can understand everything more clearly. Like all of you, i loved the ending too. It adds so much drama and suspense. One of the best animes this year! Just rewatch the show when it's done. It still won't make much sense at this point unless you've played the game or read some summary. It's a lot more complicated than meets the eye :P Werrston said: Not exactly. Her dad may have done something else to the land because precisely he was more around it. I explained clearly that it is wise to assume someone did something to avert the computer shops going into bankruptcy. But wait a sec, does not that mean the IBN 5100 may be easier to find?So. Feyris's dad is with her, so her family never bought the land and she never started spreading moe culture around. |
Yumekichi11Jun 1, 2011 5:09 PM
| i wonder what ferrisnya send .. |
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Yumekichi11 said: Not exactly. Her dad may have done something else to the land because precisely he was more around it. Yes you appear to be right. I want to add that since he is Feyris' father and her family is the one that owns all the lands, we can assume that he is the cause for the change. Perhaps he is a business man? Also, he is an adult. This is typically how cities look like from a mature perspective (businesses). Perhaps before Feyris' D-mail in which we don't see her father, Feyris' influences have affected numerous places in the city resulting in an otaku-loving city somehow. Yumekichi11 said: I explained clearly that it is wise to assume someone did something to avert the computer shops going into bankruptcy. But wait a sec, does not that mean the IBN 5100 may be easier to find? When did they ever mention computer shops being saved from bankcrupcy? Also, I don't recall seeing more computer shops than already was before the D-mail. Maybe I have to re-watch the episode. Maybe there could've been one or two computer shops after the d-mail, but can't we assume that it is unrelated to the location of the IBN5100, and say those computer shops are nothing more than scenery for the new business-like town? |
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shuncchi said: omg akiba returns back to a electric town.... the worlds over when this happens in real lol its getting better and better, so intense >< Holy crap, so Akiba never became the moe-town because Feyris sent that mail... wow just wow Intense. |
DesolateOne said: Yumekichi11 said: Not exactly. Her dad may have done something else to the land because precisely he was more around it. Yes you appear to be right. I want to add that since he is Feyris' father and her family is the one that owns all the lands, we can assume that he is the cause for the change. Perhaps he is a business man? Also, he is an adult. This is typically how cities look like from a mature perspective (businesses). Exactly that! Not only that but he had rare archeological things that he was cleaning around of when we see him after the D-mail changes things. DesolateOne said: That was originally what happened. A person of power may change much if he/she knows who. Feiris may not look like it but I am 100% sure she ain't stupid or air head.Perhaps before Feyris' D-mail in which we don't see her father, Feyris' influences have affected numerous places in the city resulting in an otaku-loving city somehow. Yumekichi11 said: I explained clearly that it is wise to assume someone did something to avert the computer shops going into bankruptcy. But wait a sec, does not that mean the IBN 5100 may be easier to find? DesolateOne said: That is according to Fai's history IRL of that event whom it seems this anime may be mimicking for realism. Notice most of the terms like Kerr Black Holes and SERN are really IRL real. I wonder if they are watching us watching this to see reactions. I even think there may be someone from the future working with us but who will ever know or believe.When did they ever mention computer shops being saved from bankcrupcy? Also, I don't recall seeing more computer shops than already was before the D-mail. Maybe I have to re-watch the episode. DesolateOne said: Not sure about that, remains to be seen in the next episode.Maybe there could've been one or two computer shops after the d-mail, but can't we assume that it is unrelated to the location of the IBN5100, and say those computer shops are nothing more than scenery for the new business-like town? |
Yumekichi11 said: I don't see what it has to do with anything, but no. The only stupid and/or air head character is Mayushii, after all.Feiris may not look like it but I am 100% sure she ain't stupid or air head. |
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| Hmm, I rewatched the first episode and noticed the person that was signaling Okabe on the rooftop was Suzuha. Knowing these forums it's probably old news, but I thought it was pretty interesting since Kurisu also gets stabbed in that same episode. (keeping in mind all of those hateful stares she gives Kurisu later in the series). Not only that, but the person that the "real" Okabe hears yelling right before he finds her dead had the same voice as him. Assuming they didn't do that just to mess with us or because they didn't think it was important to use a different seiyuu for the yell, it could mean they eventually figure out a way to send more than just texts. Just some food for thought for slow people like me. :/ |
| -The words of Hououin Kyouma fail to reach them! Dare: -Do they ever? xD I LOL-ed when Okarin was like “People all look like ants from here. I love it!" :D Looks like Feyris didn’t lie about her parrents and stuff. But now things seems to to be getting worse and worse. I wonder if Okarin will ever be able to adjust the present to the stage he needs it = |
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| Things are getting serious. Everytime a D-mail is sent to the past, the things that changes are getting bigger. LOL @ the Yo-dawg meme. |
| Actually, I find something quite strange in this episode... Now, when Luka used D-Mail to change sex, everyone knows about Moeka again, since she was in their lab. But the only reason she was there in previous worlds is because Okarin has IBN5100. So now, when IBN is gone what did she do in the laboratory?.. |
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| Err, bit confused. If they never got the IBN 5100 in this timeline, how did Kurisu know the contents of SERN's reports on physical time travel attempts? She says something like "We know from SERN's reports the difficulties inherent in physical time travel." They needed the IBN 5100 to look at SERN's stuff in the first place, I thought? That's why Daru needed parts in episode 5 and spent a lot of that episode hooking stuff up. The IBN was also doing stuff (it read "NOW LOADING" on its screen) as Daru/Kurisu/Okabe were reading SERN's reports about different time travel attempts. |
| i empathize with Okabe, the d-mails should just be limited since they have no idea how much it can change the past and furthermore D-mails should be READ, so they can have an idea of how much it will change the past |
Panaru said: Err, bit confused. If they never got the IBN 5100 in this timeline, how did Kurisu know the contents of SERN's reports on physical time travel attempts? She says something like "We know from SERN's reports the difficulties inherent in physical time travel." They needed the IBN 5100 to look at SERN's stuff in the first place, I thought? That's why Daru needed parts in episode 5 and spent a lot of that episode hooking stuff up. The IBN was also doing stuff (it read "NOW LOADING" on its screen) as Daru/Kurisu/Okabe were reading SERN's reports about different time travel attempts. AlexTrusk said: Possible plot holes? It does not make sense other wise. Do know one thing Time Travel is a bitch. It was in Darker than Black season 2 with Amber and up to this day we still don't know who is this Madame Oreille but oh well.Actually, I find something quite strange in this episode... Now, when Luka used D-Mail to change sex, everyone knows about Moeka again, since she was in their lab. But the only reason she was there in previous worlds is because Okarin has IBN5100. So now, when IBN is gone what did she do in the laboratory?.. |
Yumekichi11 said: Panaru said: Err, bit confused. If they never got the IBN 5100 in this timeline, how did Kurisu know the contents of SERN's reports on physical time travel attempts? She says something like "We know from SERN's reports the difficulties inherent in physical time travel." They needed the IBN 5100 to look at SERN's stuff in the first place, I thought? That's why Daru needed parts in episode 5 and spent a lot of that episode hooking stuff up. The IBN was also doing stuff (it read "NOW LOADING" on its screen) as Daru/Kurisu/Okabe were reading SERN's reports about different time travel attempts. AlexTrusk said: Possible plot holes? It does not make sense other wise. Do know one thing Time Travel is a bitch. It was in Darker than Black season 2 with Amber and up to this day we still don't know who is this Madame Oreille but oh well.Actually, I find something quite strange in this episode... Now, when Luka used D-Mail to change sex, everyone knows about Moeka again, since she was in their lab. But the only reason she was there in previous worlds is because Okarin has IBN5100. So now, when IBN is gone what did she do in the laboratory?.. For first - oh for gods sakes, does this anime need to explain everything and show on-screen? Its obvious Okarin TOLD them on what was in reports. AS for second. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_Effect You can't predict unpredictable dynamic spatial systems. There could have been millions of factors that resulted from that message that would make that change. :) |
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Fai said: So the way to see this is the unpredictable changed certain things and other things were unchanged and that none of this could be predictable therefore plot holes are non predictable or applicable to time travel or precisely to the chaos theory itself applied within the storyline precisely because of the unpredictable factor?For first - oh for gods sakes, does this anime need to explain everything and show on-screen? Its obvious Okarin TOLD them on what was in reports. AS for second. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_Effect You can't predict unpredictable dynamic spatial systems. There could have been millions of factors that resulted from that message that would make that change. :) |
desolatoJun 2, 2011 9:27 AM
Yumekichi11 said: So the way to see this is the unpredictable changed certain things and other things were unchanged and that none of this could be predictable therefore plot holes are non predictable or applicable to time travel or precisely to the chaos theory itself applied within the storyline precisely because of the unpredictable factor? ITs not a plothole if it was explained. Unlike certain other shows, this show has an actual science behind it all. time is one of the most complex(to infinity) systems with infinity of factors influencing various causalities. This episode, as well as previous ones explained already - changing one smallest thing in the complex system can lead to very different things. A butterfly could flap its wings in arizona and that could cause a tornado in texas. Its the basis of our REALITY. The examples of butterfly effect as well as chaos theory ideas are all around us in weather patterns, fractal shapes, math, everything. Changing one thing in past can result in many different things that through ripple effect would make bigger and bigger changes through years. The further the change occurs the MORE complex the system change is. And we are not talking about one timeline, we are talking about infinity of paralel timelines and possibly infinity of time-travel impacts that have happened or have yet to happen from our point of view. The simplest thing as me throwing a stone through window can result in many unpredictable chain effects ranging from anything to everything. For all I know me getting message from myself to throw the stone could result to anything ranging from me slipping and dying from concussion in the middle of hallway on the way to window to nuclear explosion of power plant because my stone hit some person who eventually would factor in into the stopping of that to happen. Not to mention the very unpredictable factors like some businessman seeing the stone getting thrown and getting a business idea he would not otherwise. There are millions of factors on EVEN simplest things as me sending myself a message to stand up 10 minutes ago. But of course some people are too stupid to understand the simplest things explained inside the show... |
desolatoJun 2, 2011 9:28 AM
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Yumekichi11 said: So the way to see this is the unpredictable changed certain things and other things were unchanged and that none of this could be predictable therefore plot holes are non predictable or applicable to time travel or precisely to the chaos theory itself applied within the storyline precisely because of the unpredictable factor? It is unknown why Moeka became a lab member after Ruka's D-mail when they did not have the IBN5100. The butterfly effect can cause numerous changes - it is possible that Moeka just became a lab member after realizing Okarin was after the same goals as he was: finding the IBN5100. The real question that should be asked is: who's D-mail caused the disappearance of the IBN-5100? Was it Moeka's or Ruka's? In other news - here is an interesting screen cap from episode 10's preview: My Japanese sucks, but from what I can see it says: Sender: patghqwskm@nine....something. Subject: (No Subject) Attachments: fjaotiu.png Now as for the message, I don't know exactly. I can't understand two of the characters. お 前 [?] 見 て い る [?] Omae [?] mite iru [?] Something about You [Okarin] Looking. So a few other questions you can ask is: who's this "patghqwksm@nine..." guy? What is that attachment? It has a .png extension, so it must be a picture. What is the picture? Also, what does the message mean? Again, I only partially translated the message, but someone on MAL could probably accurately translate the entire message for us. |
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DesolateOne said: お前を見ているぞIn other news - here is an interesting screen cap from episode 10's preview: "<insert sender here> is watching you" |
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| I can't agree with this explanation. Everything can be changed unpredictable with one small detail, can't deny that, but this applies only to changes in timeline or anything that didn't happen yet. Everything else must have an internal reason for happening. If you throw stone in some window, that won't turn meat in my refrigerator into a living snake, unless there is reason for this change. What I wanted to say is that though no one can predict, what changes in the world will be caused by a D-Mail, created world still have to obey some logic. I can see why Akihabara was changed, but I don't see why Okabe brought Moeka to the lab if they didn't have IBN5100, the only reason for her to be there. So I think that it still can be plothole... Or I just wrong... P.S. This made me worry. Suzuha wasn't in this episode... I sincerely hope that nothing bad happened to her... |
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AlexTrusk said: I can't agree with this explanation. Everything can be changed unpredictable with one small detail, can't deny that, but this applies only to changes in timeline or anything that didn't happen yet. Everything else must have an internal reason for happening. If you throw stone in some window, that won't turn meat in my refrigerator into a living snake, unless there is reason for this change. What I wanted to say is that though no one can predict, what changes in the world will be caused by a D-Mail, created world still have to obey some logic. I can see why Akihabara was changed, but I don't see why Okabe brought Moeka to the lab if they didn't have IBN5100, the only reason for her to be there. So I think that it still can be plothole... Or I just wrong... P.S. This made me worry. Suzuha wasn't in this episode... I sincerely hope that nothing bad happened to her... Theoretically you are already going beyond the usual laws of logic Your refrigerator will never turn into living snake, you can never reach the end of universe, you can never be faster than light and so on. In complex enough mathematical formula, all it takes is to change one little constant and the end number is way too different from previous one. ANd the longer and the more complex the formula is the more the answer will differ. Weather changes also work on this principle. Even the exam scores depend on smallest mistake in the answers. Of course these are not "complex". Time itself is complex system. Add to that the probabilities of reality and various causalities due to change. You are applying terms like "what has happened"to this. But thats just perspective. For example I am right now writing this post - that is present. However for me from ten minutes ago its future. You CAN'T point to certain time moment and say its now. everything in infinity of timeline is was and will be at the same time depending on pov. Okarin might have invited moeka after the previous link to IBN was gone and he remembered she has info about it. Or Moeka might have gotten interested in that he is trying to find it.Or she wanted to be sure that once and if they find it , she can send the message to her past self. There's thousands of possibilities. |
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Fai said: Theoretically you are already going beyond the usual laws of logic Your refrigerator will never turn into living snake, you can never reach the end of universe, you can never be faster than light and so on. Well, that was just an exaggeration. And I've already read about Chaos Theory and Butterfly Effect... Fai said: You are applying terms like "what has happened"to this. But thats just perspective. For example I am right now writing this post - that is present. However for me from ten minutes ago its future. You CAN'T point to certain time moment and say its now. everything in infinity of timeline is was and will be at the same time depending on pov. Titor and everyone else told about world lines. Doesn't this mean that every single one of this lines is constant and stable? Past is set in stone and can't be changed, except by the means of time travel, but since that just change the current world line, I assume, that once world line came into being, no changes is possible in it. In that case, nothing stops us from talking about "what has happened". We, unlike characters, are outside observers and see picture from another perspective than they are. Fai said: Okarin might have invited moeka after the previous link to IBN was gone and he remembered she has info about it. Or Moeka might have gotten interested in that he is trying to find it.Or she wanted to be sure that once and if they find it , she can send the message to her past self. There's thousands of possibilities. This made me wonder: Who the hell is that FB ? It seems, that he knew about IBN5100 in the shrine. And we still don't know why does she needed that PC so badly. In this episode she looked pretty desperate about it... And what did happen with PC in the shrine? Who and why had taken it? |
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Oosran said: Well I know who it might be or can find out but it's kind of obvious who it can be but I hope that it will say next it episode.DesolateOne said: お前を見ているぞIn other news - here is an interesting screen cap from episode 10's preview: "<insert sender here> is watching you" |
| omg..im getting more addicted to it than i expected!! |
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| Just reminder to anyone who talk about plot holes. I heard this from original novel readers and They ALWAYS says; 'Everything in Steins;Gate is explainable' We still have tons of episodes left to resolve all the confusions, so people should wait before blaming anything doesn't make sense as a plot hole. It might be explained later on. |
ringoo4 said: Just reminder to anyone who talk about plot holes. I heard this from original novel readers and They ALWAYS says; 'Everything in Steins;Gate is explainable' We still have tons of episodes left to resolve all the confusions, so people should wait before blaming anything doesn't make sense as a plot hole. It might be explained later on. Everything is explainable because 99% of everything is based on REAL SCIENCE. Don't expect them to suddenly, step by step, explain things like why DR.Pepper bottle appeared there out of nowhere and so on. Its not a show where everything gets spoonfed to the viewer. |
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| Hmm.... I think that like this. Science = 50% A hypotheses based on science = 40% Fantasy = 10% |
| The end of the episode left me completely awestruck. 5/5 from me, I've ran out of other words to say |
| "Isn't life, by nature, a contest decided by a single round? However trifling the matter, it's not possible to return to the last save point by pushing some reset button." - Kazuki Hoshino, Hakomari, Vol. 1 |
| I remember somewhere I read that Steins;Gate is 99% science and 1% fantasy. |
| LMAO, wtf did she do!? |
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| Number still decreasing So is not "What" Okabe ( or lab-mates ) change with the D-mail, The change was major this time, changing the district of akiha to the akiha elect district Also the "Struggle" of okabe are all the "same", this D-mail change too many stuff and he barely fell the time shift ( comparing to the other D-mail timeshift's ) |
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Riga92 said: I remember somewhere I read that Steins;Gate is 99% science and 1% fantasy. It's an ad slogan of this VN series called "Science Adventure Series". Well, either way, Steins;Gate is one of the most elaborated scenarios and it's far realistic than the story that groundlessly, someone has an ability of time travel, obviously. |
revive4563Jun 4, 2011 12:32 AM
| How stupid Okarin is? he already notice 1 mail can change anything, but still agree to do it. and That fucking fat ass Hacker should've been killed... |
DenjaX said: Okarin should've checked what Feyris had sent since there's no sent archive for D-mails and Feyris couldn't remember anything at all. Either way, we saw the changes but we don't know what exactly Feyris have sent to the past. I suppose it has something to do with her dad. Yeah she probably sent something to save her dad from death or something because it seemed like he didn't exist in the world anymore before the message. By doing that he was left in charge of the family and Feyris kept being just a kid instead of someone who created Akihabara. Anyway pretty stupid of Kyouma to underestimate the butterfly effect especially after seeing the things he saw and how the world can change. It seems to me like he took things too lightly until now and his paying the price. The whole thing has turn from fun and entertaining to agonizing at this point and a lot more pain seems to be coming. Seeker said: RealScreamer said: Also ~ What exactly did Mayushii mean when she said, "I feel like I'm gonna lose him"? Was she referring to Okabe's chemistry with Kurisu or just something completely different? Each time the past is changed, Okabe becomes a little bit more distant. He tries to describe his memories to everyone, but they don't even know whether to believe him or not. Pretty much, he's experienced things that the others haven't and that makes communication with them awkward for him. Take the incident with the Metal Upa in this episode. He phrases the question, "You're still looking for a Metal Upa?", to which Mayuri is confused. To her, collecting Upas has been her hobby. But to Okabe, she already got a Metal Upa once and he's surprised that she's still looking for one in this other "world line". By retaining his memories, Okabe is essentially traversing between world lines. While the people he knows may be the same, everything is foreign to him. And the more he does that, the more distant he'll become. Very well put. |
Fai said: ringoo4 said: Just reminder to anyone who talk about plot holes. I heard this from original novel readers and They ALWAYS says; 'Everything in Steins;Gate is explainable' We still have tons of episodes left to resolve all the confusions, so people should wait before blaming anything doesn't make sense as a plot hole. It might be explained later on. Everything is explainable because 99% of everything is based on REAL SCIENCE. Don't expect them to suddenly, step by step, explain things like why DR.Pepper bottle appeared there out of nowhere and so on. Its not a show where everything gets spoonfed to the viewer. I agree. Unlike Darker than Black 2 which was a poor attempt to throw in random elements in, Steins;Gate creators knew what they were doing with it. It can be seen easily whether time travel is used and presented intelligently. So far, Steins;Gate did a wonderful job. And I must say it will only get better as it goes on unless they pull a trainwreck ending. Also, I think the amount of information we are presented is just about right. I think any intelligent viewers (ok, maybe at least with some scientific background) could understand the logic behind the plot. |
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| I think Feyris' d-mail had something to do with Okarin, which would explain why she started hesitating after she found out that Okarin is affiliated with another girl - Christina. |
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| It's hilarious when Okarin starts talking on the phone by himself! I just have to laugh out loud everytime he does it =D |
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| wow this episode almost fried my brain do you relise the complexites that have shown up in the last 3 eps |
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| This butterfly effect is really starting to take it's toll on Kyouma. Can't wait to see where this is going! |
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| Christina is a 2channer :P Loved the way they showed the ending. It was really intense and makes me want to immediately see the next. |
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