| Regard to 3D anime, i think there were several anime titles in full 3D and many of others using partial 3D animation. |
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| CGI 3D w/e it is... |
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| 4 reason why people use fansubs: 1. My issue with this has always been that fansubs are not only freely available (although not entirely legal), their quality is usually better and the episodes are released soon after their airing in Japan. 2. It takes so much time for the anime to get localized. 3. The prices of the released dvd and blu-ray discs are ridiculous... I am not paying 60+ dollars for 3 episodes... 4. Minor one, but I still find it inconvenient to keep changing discs in order to watch a different episode. The only caveat to online downloading is disk space, which is extremely cheap. Yes, fansubs are ruining the industry because any person would like to have something that is free, superior, on time and convenient than something that is expensive, inferior, late and inconvenient. Yes, fansubs bring more attention to anime in foregin regions... but, it simply increases the number of people illegally downloading it... |
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Onibokusu said: Cashdaxxx said: Anime != Cartoons Anime > Cartoons(even in 3D) 'nuff said... o hay, so i herd u dunt no wut anime is sh0rt 4? You've got to be a complete imbecile to think that anime and cartoons are separate entities. Anime is just a more specific term, referring to Japanese Animation, whereas 'cartoon' encompasses all forms of animation (and several forms art facepalm.jpg ILOVEMY WIKIPEDIA said: Anime is commonly defined as animation originating in Japan. In English-speaking countries, anime is also referred to as "Japanese animation". and Cartoons is FYI generally means WESTERN ANIMATION(as an accepted term) |
CashdaxMar 28, 2011 9:42 PM
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| Naruto sucks as an anime, the manga being way more enjoyable without these stupid fillers. I'd say it probably would've gone down the drain even if online streeming never existed. And 2D >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3D Not many good series even gets localized where i come from, and they f**kin censor out all the fanservice, even a simple non-perverted kiss scene gets cut. And DVD stores here are so full of pirates, the only way i'd get a legal copy of something is that i order it. So my only option is this illegal online streeming/ downloads. |
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| fansub actually helps promote anime ........we Users got to know the quality of the anime before spending on it |
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BlackSnake56 said: lol...more like we won't understand those anime(s) xDfansub actually helps promote anime ........we Users got to know the quality of the anime before spending on it |
| "Your taste is shit cause you like what I hate. Believe me I have 1000 cartoons that I rated with less than 5." |
Cashdaxxx said: BlackSnake56 said: lol...more like we won't understand those anime(s) xDfansub actually helps promote anime ........we Users got to know the quality of the anime before spending on it do you want to spend on thing that you didn't even understand a bit ? i'm not lol xD i will at least try 1-5 eps than if the anime is good i will try to buy it |
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| i will die if animu turns 3D. but the only people that are buying all the naruto volumes are little kids. so when the older people, who know how to use the internet, finds a certain like, starts to give out quotes like "Why buy them if they are free online." I still buy manga. >_< Even if i'm super broke, i got $15 and i'm gonna buy some random, interesting series i see. |
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Maora said: i will die if animu turns 3D. I can't imagine if japanese anime turns into 3D. Why comparing it with films that Hollywood produced? |
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SuperSaiyen said: The only thing I agree on is that 3D is overwhelming 2D I may be wrong but I think the 3D they are referring to are anime shows like Highschool of the Dead, and Kore Zombie Desu Ka? If so, I agree as well. I find 3D animes to be extremely pleasing to the eye. Does it mean all 3D anime shows are good? No, but it does attract potential viewers. Of that's not what they mean by 3D then I don't really agree. Id prefer watching anime without having things literally pop up in my face. Fansubs have always been around...I don't know why they realize it is a problem now. 51% drop in sales...damn. I feel a bit guilty now... |
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| I get a laugh every time someone says DVDs are too expensive. When I started collecting, anime was $45 - $70 + shipping for 1-3 episodes on VHS. I never did work up the nerve to spend $180 for all 4 episodes of Macross Plus (that's $45 per episode for those who don't like math), but I did pay $50 for Tenchi the Movie 2 (I think it was about $67 after shipping, taxes, and border fees). Now complete season box sets for most series cost $30- $70. $360 for a new 12 episode series 20 years ago vs. $30 for a new 12 episode series now... I think DVDs are affordable. That said, it's still hard to expect people to buy DVDs without having seen at least some of it first, and some shows are just too niche and will never get licenced, leaving the internet as the only place to go. |
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| Naruto does not make money because someone decided that it would be better to run it for a few extra seasons rather than stick to the actual story with any kind of quality. I don't know who that person is, but that's really the only explanation. Fansubs are not to blame for Naruto's shittiness. What confuses me the most is why anime adaptations like naruto and bleach, which are infamous for having boring, awful, low-quality fillers, insist on straying from the manga. Like, do they really think anyone would be upset if the original Naruto (not shippuden, I couldn't bring myself to watch it) was only 50 or 100 episodes, was released more slowly, in much better quality, and didn't stray from the manga at all? No one is going to say like "oh yeah well it's exactly like the manga so I definitely don't want to watch it." People that stupid probably wouldn't be spending money on it anyway. I didn't buy box sets of bleach to watch stupid, annoying mod souls play tsundere with Ichigo, I bought them to watch him bankai the shit out of some hollows. That's my opinion on the naruto part of this statement. As for fansubs, the actual physical fansubs themselves are not the problem. It's been said a million times in this thread, but I'll say it again - fansubs are what allow overseas viewers to find shows they are interested in, and without them, sales would definitely go down much farther than they are now. Fansubs and fansubbing groups are not what is causing the anime industry to decline sales-wise. The problem is coming from three places: the studios that are releasing the DVDs and merchandise; the overseas distributors; and the consumers. Here is what I believe needs to change. There needs to be more incentive to buy DVDs in general. Whether its an overall increase in quality or special DVD only features, someone in the creation process needs to realize that no one really wants to watch, let alone spend money on, stupid, boring, senseless fillers. This can only be fixed by the people who actually produce the anime. The second problem is the overseas distributors. From what I've heard, it's extremely difficult and expensive to buy physical copies of shows you like if you live anywhere but Japan or America; and even then, it is still too inconvenient for most people, especially when it is faster and freer (freer is a real word - did you know that?) to download illegal episodes online. Somehow, legal distributors have to find a way to at least come close to matching the speed and quality of illegal fansubbers, as well as providing a way for fans who live outside Japan and the US to buy anime in a realistic manner. The third thing that needs to change is consumer attitudes. If you sincerely enjoy watching anime, and you want it to continue to be produced, then you need to give back in some way. This is simple cause and effect. It's incredible to me that anyone would honestly think that the industry could keep making shows if everyone just watched free pirated fansubs. I don't want to preach here, and I know a lot of people in this community do spend money when they can, but honestly, if the numbers say we aren't spending enough to keep this art form alive, then we need to do more. If you like a series and you spend money on it, the studio will see that you spent money on it and not the complete Naruto box set collection and think "huh, maybe we should make more like (insert your favorite anime here) and less like Naruto." And lastly, a word on subs vs dubs. I know all too well how terribly painful english dubs can be, but from a realistic perspective, it's the best way to do it. A lot can be lost in translation, especially in shows that rely on verbal humor and satire. However, the goal of releasing the show in a dubbed format is to draw in as many potential consumers as possible, not to please the hardcore fans. If someone who knew very little about anime in general saw a show on late night TV that caught his or her attention, this person would be much more likely to pursue it if he or she could understand what the characters were saying. The sad truth is that to many potential fans, reading subtitles is a chore. However, I haven't seen an english dub released in the past 10 years that does not also include original japanese audio with subtitles. There isn't really an argument here - if you want to support a show, you'll buy it in a format that is available to you, even if you never watch the english dubs. The original post cited Pokémon as a successful franchise; but the original pokémon is home to some of the most abhorrent americanizations and mistranslations of all time (see also: Donut, goooo!!!!!1). This doesn't change the fact that pikachu won the hearts (and wallets) of tens of thousands of american kids and adults. Basically I just hope everyone can find a way to do their part in this and we can continue to produce and watch great anime in the future. The TLDR version of this post is that I spent 2 and a half hours writing and rewriting it and that is the reason I haven't made any friends in the 7 months since I moved to this new school |
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| I think they're overacting ... I'd buy lots anime dvd's , goods and manga , if they'd be available in my country =/ ... ordering through mail sucks because you can't check the quality , they take a while to arrive , sometimes they arrived damaged etc.... |
| I buy dvd if the anime is not familiar. So half of my money spent on buying dvd on malls gone to waste. |
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TeamFortress2 said: Fansubs get me interested in stuff, not the other way around. |
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| I don't buy anime DVD's because i live in Russia(fail) and i don't have money for all this stuff i want(double fail). |
| I'm actually glad they are in a crisis. People should stop buying their crap otherwise they'll keep producing shit endlessly. Maybe they'll start doing something decent for a change. |
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4. "Fansub as free publicity" is unreal Yeah, I'm sure that $400 Blu-ray box set of Kara no Kyoukai would have sold just as well if no one had watched it before... |
| I hope anime never becomes completely 3D. It will loose its charm as anime, in my opinion. |
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| I dunno man. Seeing mechas in 3d fighting can be good but for anything else... meh. |
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NecoDelero said: This is so true. People fail to see that the only reason anime has become a little cheaper than in the past is because they were forced to by the world economy. Even now they are too expensive to buy at a massive rate. Everyone has other more important things to use their money on. 4. "Fansub as free publicity" is unreal Yeah, I'm sure that $400 Blu-ray box set of Kara no Kyoukai would have sold just as well if no one had watched it before... Also, if we are talking purely in America, I'm pretty sure anime is still stereotyped as a kid's thing. Let me remind you, kids don't work. And parents won't drop down tons of money on "cartoons". In fact, they might be more inclined to buy them a game that will entertain them for weeks and weeks than an anime boxset they are likely to burn through in a few days and never see again. |
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Onibokusu said: You're really an awesomely epic guy(a). Read the previous spoiler. And I'm also talking about slangs. Cashdaxxx said: Wow, you're retarded. Did you even read what I typed?facepalm.jpg ILOVEMY WIKIPEDIA said: Anime is commonly defined as animation originating in Japan. In English-speaking countries, anime is also referred to as "Japanese animation". and Cartoons is FYI generally means WESTERN ANIMATION(as an accepted term) SuperSaiyen said: Will do...though they should just concentrate on emphasizing scenes through 3d(like Melancholy S2; Endless 8) rather than 3d(ing) the whole thing.I dunno man. Seeing mechas in 3d fighting can be good but for anything else... meh. |
CashdaxMar 29, 2011 7:31 PM
| "Your taste is shit cause you like what I hate. Believe me I have 1000 cartoons that I rated with less than 5." |
| Is piracy really sending the entertainment industry broke or are the claimed hundreds of millions of dollars in annual losses and thousands of job cuts just a load of hogwash? its not entirly unreleated but finger pointing at DOWNLOADERS IS WRONG! |
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| 1. Did he take into account that Naruto sucks donkey ass? 2. I'm sure these guys are poor and destitute, living out of cardboard boxes and such. 3. LOL yeah, we can't afford to enforce worldwide anti piracy measures, so of course Crunchyroll will be able to do so, problem solved. 4. If there were no fansubs, I sure as hell wouldn't watch anime. Dubs and studio subs are terrible, particularly with comedies, which are so overly localized you aren't even hearing jokes that are similar to the original (or funny for that matter). 5. 3D Disney and Pixar movies obviously have the same audience as most anime. This guy is brilliant. |
| oh wow...even to this day they don't get that the fansubbers are the main reason as to why we actually buy their shit? I for one can't read japanese, except for all the recurring lines (kawaii...you get the picture), so I can only turn to fansubs cause I wanna see if I like it or not. I do buy some stuff, but if that thing has fillers like naruto and bleach does, ofc I will avoid them. And 3D dominating 2D anime-wise....in what universe? Anime is 2D, and should stay that way. 2D > 3D and everybody knows that. 3D anime is just shit....the only 3D I would watch are CAPCOM's resident evil, and if Blizzard decided to make a Starcraft or Diablo 3D animation. |
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| Sorry, what was that about fansubs killing the industry? 4Kids Gets Sued By Japanese Producers For Illegal Transactions of Yu-Gi-Oh |
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| I haven't seen many 3d anime and if fan subs are hurting small companies its probably because when people see licensed they expect dubs, not more subs. |
| @ZaggyPlushie I dare not debate the "2D is better / 3D is superior" argument since it's subject to the viewer. I will also abstain from commenting about an industry in which I do not take part as an insider. What I do comment though, having gone trough a pretty harsh and lengthy Maya training (that is one of the most used software for 3D CG and movie effects) after I left college (in which I did a fair bit of 2D animation... crappy ones mind you ¬¬), is that your argument about the budget is completely out of touch with reality. A 3D animator takes less time/budget and experience to be "fully trained", thus making hiring cheaper. It also takes less budget to maintain and a competent one can produce the equivalent of an entire week of a competent 2D animator in a day. There is also the "in between factor"... in 2D you need a whole workforce just to do the labor work of producing 24 frames/sec, in 3D after the animation curves and blend shapes are all set (usually by one person mind you) you are golden. These numbers obviously vary greatly, but in summary, a 3D movie is MUCH MUCH more profitable to a company than a 2D one is. You can produce it faster, with less trained (not less skilled) workforce and end up with a technically superior project... at least on what is related to the glaring eyes from the average population that goes to the theaters watch blockbuster crap (that is really where the huge cash resides on). This gets more attenuated with every passing year as well, with tons of 3D animators starting to flood the market and good 2D ones becoming an extinct breed, making even harder to get a decent education as well (hell, I still use books that where written in the 60's about 2D animation technics, it's like no one bothers to write them anymore... or simply can't due to lack of skill ¬¬). A pretty recent example of this is Disney and "The Prince and the Frog". They had to bring retired people just to get the team going since they couldn't find capable new blood... a western scenario? Yes. But not much different from what some big mangakas/animators from Japan tell us. -- Regarding the Madhouse staff remarks: 1. "Even Naruto cannot make money" Big shounen is a terrible example. The canon is good? No, its terrific!!! I love every single second of the canon from Naruto for instance. But the bulk of the show is comprised of dreadful fillers. Paying for 300 episodes but only getting 150 watchable ones? No thanks. 2. Small-sized producers are helpless against fansubs Good ones can make money, stupid ones will be subjected to Darwin. There are a hand full of working projects both on music publishing and movie producing that not only live with "piracy" but embrace it. Even manga/anime is starting to drift towards that trend so I wish they would just let this dead subject die... the day will come when a decent proposition (hopefully) will be made and people will abandon fansubs , and in that day their customers will flock away from the free landscape... the ones that don't, well, they weren't your customers to begin with. 3. Cooperation with Crunchyroll didn't work well Does online streaming brings less revenue than TV or is it plainly unprofitable? In a reality where TV as a whole is getting dated I think he shouldn't even bother with the answer thought ¬¬ 4. 4. "Fansub as free publicity" is unreal Awareness of a product is the only thing that will make you sell it. That said I am still a bit on the fence regarding fansub. I use them extensively and I love them so much for what they bring to me, but at the same time the more my disposable income grows, the more I start to get pissed at the frivolity of some people that take what they get for granted... not only from the work the fansub poured into the project, but obviously from all the blood and sweat that went into the conception of the anime in the first place. 5. 2D anime is getting obsolete This one I touched already on my first response and I kinda agree with him on this one (to my dismay since I love so much 2D animation). 3D is just more profitable, specially on the west where they also have to deal with the stigma associated with "cartoons". |
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| 3D? I heard that there was a new 3D version of ghost in the shell solid state society this month but I still prefer 2D I honestly dislike this new 3D trend that seems to be the most "hip" of things today as for anime fandubs being problems well I just borrow them from the library and proceed to buy the actual thing if I'am interested |
| "Where will a newborn go from here? The net is vast and infinite" - Motoko Kusanagi |
| If 2D gets taken over by 3D, it'll be anime no more. |
| 3D anime as in the Final Fantasy movies? Sorry if i'm slow, but I just don't understand. |
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| WTF, there's 3D anime!? I have been out of the loop too long it seems... |
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Beatnik said: Not many, thankfully.WTF, there's 3D anime!? I have been out of the loop too long it seems... |
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| fansubs just make anime as free as watching it on TV, and with Tivo they can record and save it too. so tired of the doomspeak about fansubs |
| The day when i have extra cash to blow and anime producers start adding English subs to their DVS/ Blu-Ray releases is the day I'll start importing... I'm not buying any anime DVDs when i can't understand them. I'm also not going to wait years for something the US might not even license... Just saying.... 3D will not beat 2D as long as the 3D looks like shit! I'm thinking of CGI, not 3D... |
GogettersJun 19, 2011 9:45 PM
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| I can see a collector doing that, but that just seems pointless and a waste of money to me... Why buy the DVD/BDs when you would just be watching the fansubbed version anyways? It just seems a lot easier if the anime producers would toss the subs from some subgroup onto the DVD/BDs before releasing them. I think I recall Maikaze doing something similar with A Summer Day's Dream. |
GogettersJun 19, 2011 11:45 PM
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| 3D anime? When can everyone afford to play those at home. |
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