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alexcampos said: I'm with you Wasabi.... I also can't understand how people can't like him. He is a much better villain than MOST shounen villains. The best villains is the one who is most hated. So, if everyone liked Kyuube, that means he is not a good villain... u.u~ |
zimno said: o_O even Kyubey is being MAMI-ed, and yes it's a word xDD Whos that next to Homura aside from Kyouko?well, however, end up this  Anyway, after getting depressed over Kyouko's death, I don't care if they all die in that way xDD |
DenjaX said: zimno said: o_O even Kyubey is being MAMI-ed, and yes it's a word xDD Whos that next to Homura aside from Kyouko?Anyway, after getting depressed over Kyouko's death, I don't care if they all die in that way xDD perhaps, this |
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| Wow did not expect that whole energy collection explanation for the mahou shoujo's. Good ep in total, characters dropping off like flies! |
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| Kyubey you fuckin' asshole! He just loves seeing the girls dying! Damn youuuuu... |
| Ummm.... The reason Kyuube's concept is 'alien' is solely due to Urobuchi being Cthulhu Mythos. There is nothing exceptionally bad or weak about it, since it is also expected way from Urobuchi. |
LOL, this is so cool, i can kill kyubey here as much as i want. this game is so Recommended to all madoka watchers! |
chaelmiiMar 4, 2011 3:25 AM
| His a freaking Alien trolling human lolis. Wait don't tell me he has some relationship with a certain Alien trolling prince. Hm.. probably not the other guy just likes to troll but his trolling isn't deadly(yet). Btw his theory is full of holes. Go find your science books Madoka and shut him up. His bullshitting you. The energy the Incubators get is probably for their own use and not to save the universe. I don't quite get what happened with Kyoko. Did she did what she did because she wanted to die with Sayaka so she can be with her, because she couldn't win otherwise, or because she felt that she had little time as a Magical girl left and she prefer dying there so she wouldn't become a witch in the future? |
Monad said: Oh Baka, did you forget your pet partner in this series? ROFL!His a freaking Alien trolling human lolis. Wait don't tell me he has some relationship with a certain Alien trolling prince. Hm.. probably not the other guy just likes to troll but his trolling isn't deadly(yet). Monad said: That could be it, but I don't think it was like that. I think she regretted in failing to protect her despite being last with her before she became that thing. In saying that she did what the least she could do, not letting anyone kill her other than herself. Most likely to be with her, thus comes the theory of yuri and eternal bonding between them.I don't quite get what happened with Kyoko. Did she did what she did because she wanted to die with Sayaka so she can be with her, because she couldn't win otherwise, Monad said: It could also go that way since she saw what happened to Sayaka and showed that her Soul Gem started to taint. Either way she is fucking dead and I getting depressed talking about it.or because she felt that she had little time as a Magical girl left and she prefer dying there so she wouldn't become a witch in the future? |
| So Kyubey acknowledged the fact that Incubators are indeed emotionless. Good to finally here their intentions. Kyubey you monster, after Mami now Sayaka and Kyoko as well? This show is really giving me shivers. Can't wait for the next episode. Maybe in the end Madoka will still become a Mahou Shoujo by wishing for everyone to return to normal. That's what I think. If so, Homura would've failed... |
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| This is madness..... No................................... This is sparta. Damn. Kyoko wasted her life.. she should have just get help from homura and take care of madoka. Homura would have killed that witch in seconds. Kyube. you're just one cute evil. |
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| Kyubey is not exactly evil, he just doesn't understand human emotions which makes us humans, who has emotions, think of him as evil. He's still evil. Oh, whatever. I hate him. This episode satisfied me with Kyoko x Sayaka goodness. I can move on now... *tears* |
| Now...WHAT THE HELL? This is getting darker and darker... |
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| Can you imagine... Madoka burying Sayaka's body? |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in."  |
| Kyube's explanation about entropy actually makes sense. The laws of physics tell us that energy cannot be created or destroyed (it probably has a real name I just don't know it in english). It can however change forms, like from muscle energy to kinetic energy when you slide a coin on the table, and from kinetic energy to heat from the friction between the coin and the table. The universe is very slowly moving towards a point where all energy is equally distributed among it, and this is what entropy means. because the average temperature of the universe is in the minus hundreds centigrade, it is a very real end of the world scenario, and actually pretty much the only one we know will happen for certain. It's wonderful how this series is a total mindfuck but still makes sense when all the pieces come together. Or actually it doesn't. If kyube's race is as advanced as is implied, they'd surely know how to convert matter to energy. Oh well. |
| Okay, I just saw something, and I can't understand it. When Kyoko used her soul gem to "heat up" Sayaka's body, nothing happened. But earlier in the episode, when Homura shows her Soul Gem, Sayaka's body actually glows! I am absolutely baffled at this. Can't even think of a suitable theory. |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in." |
-z- said: Kyube's explanation about entropy actually makes sense. The laws of physics tell us that energy cannot be created or destroyed (it probably has a real name I just don't know it in english). It can however change forms, like from muscle energy to kinetic energy when you slide a coin on the table, and from kinetic energy to heat from the friction between the coin and the table. The universe is very slowly moving towards a point where all energy is equally distributed among it, and this is what entropy means. because the average temperature of the universe is in the minus hundreds centigrade, it is a very real end of the world scenario, and actually pretty much the only one we know will happen for certain. It's wonderful how this series is a total mindfuck but still makes sense when all the pieces come together. Or actually it doesn't. If kyube's race is as advanced as is implied, they'd surely know how to convert matter to energy. Oh well. Yes, that does make sense. However, the way Kyubey actually put it, it doesn't. That, or the subs I used failed to translate it properly - actually, that is probably the case, but I'm waiting for yesy subs to see how the translated it before I can form an opinion on that. And I agree with you, there are much better ways to solve the problem if you posess that kind of technology. |
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| Can't believe they just killed of Kyoko and Sayaka like that. I'm pretty sure Madoka will bring them back in the end but there's no telling what will happen anymore. I don't really hate Kyubey as much as other people do, though. He doesn't have any bad intentions. He's just incapable of empathy and thinks everything is for the greater good and all that. |
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| It was amusing discussing this episode with friends and figuring out the laws of thermodynamics and laws of energy not being able destroyed etc. Strange what this anime can do to you in terms of discussion. As for the episode, I don't think anyone who has been following this closely would be really shocked by Kyouko's death. Although unlike Mami, she went down on her own terms which was cool in a fiery destructive way. It makes me think if Grief Seeds can be destroyed in the same way that the Soul Gem can be destroyed (that is without it being destroyed by taint). If this is possible, the Puella Magi system can be destroyed if Madoka or any other capable Puella Magi by destroying all Gems and Seeds and killing herself by shattering their own Soul Gem before they turn into a Witch. If Grief Seeds can't be destroyed, then Kyouko's efforts would be in vain as they can easily attract more negative emotions and the Sayaka Witch can be reborn. As usual, a bit more on the episode itself by me on the blog here |
SteelMaverickMar 4, 2011 4:53 PM
SteelMaverick said: It makes me think if Grief Seeds can be destroyed in the same way that the Soul Gem can be destroyed (that is without it being destroyed by taint). If this is possible, the Puella Magi system can be destroyed if Madoka or any other capable Puella Magi by destroying all Gems and Seeds and killing herself by shattering their own Soul Gem before they turn into a Witch. If Grief Seeds can't be destroyed, then Kyouko's efforts would be in vain as they can easily attract more negative emotions and the Sayaka Witch can be reborn. Maybe. But then QB would just do the same he did with the first Puella. It shouldn't be too hard to sell a wish to a common human. And then the cycle would restart... |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in." |
| so how come some are disappointed for finding out Kyubey is a sentient lifeform not from Earth. It clearly breaks all needed questions, everything. I mean in every show you always this source of power, a supernatural being not supposed to be found on our Planet but Madoka has broken that, just like at what happened with Evangelion, the source of something not supposed to be on our planet is really something that's not. Now, you won't need questions like, "Why does he have that ability? Where did it come from? or Where DID HE come from? his origin? those questions are deemed meaningless bec. Kyubey really is not of this world and it feels like the world of Madoka Magica is just a normal "Earth" where in Kyubey has stepped upon. anyways very nice episode, the last part where Kyouko sacrificed herself is the highlight for me, i can't stop feeling sad, the swirl of emotions, sadness, anger and anxiety, i'm also feeling it. This anime will just be too hard to defeat and i can see Gen, Shinbo and Kajiura doing another project like this, that's what i'm betting. |
| Simplistic beauty can't be appreciated by someone who looks for something grand in everything he watch. |
| heroic end of Kyoko T_T I think the next episode will be about Madoka going on rage.. Maybe she will agree to the contract and become a MS. Otherwise Homura wouldn't be enough to protect the city of the approaching Walpurgisnight. Hope Sankaku trolls ... I don't want to stop at such a big cliffhanger scene >_> |
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| I can say QB is a form of Mushi known as swiss-cheese-without-holes!! They're neither good nor bad. It's in their existence. About the entropy thing, yeah it made sense. Sayaka and Kyoko are now gone. So I think things are going to be much more epic starting thereon. |
| This anime teaches a simple but deep lesson to all of us, No wishing under any circumstances, there's no good in doing so, and usually attracts misery and bad company. |
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Villetta_Nu said: I can't for the life of me see Madoka still becoming a Puelle Magi after all that she's witnessed and learned. She'd have to be stupid!! He only has to show her that her family is about to die. Yumekichi11 said: Also the hope and destiny terms. Seems to me Sayaka was hoping to have a destiny that she wanted, that of being with Kamijou. It's a sure thing her hope was to be with Kamiyou, it's shown troughout her barrier. Her fate... well we've seen it. According to wiki, those wheels of fate were often used to describe the fall of the mighty. You mentioned "Arthurian ' in association with von Seckendorff: in the Middle ages and Renaissance King Arthur was often depicted as reaching his high early in life, followed by his decline. Shakespeare did the same with King Lear and Macbeth. Sayaka was very much like a king with her high ideals, who ended up drowning (last barrier) in sorrow. Yumekichi11 said: kFYatek said: Is that how Urobuchi sees the world? Here's the intro of Fate/Zero. It gives a great idea of how Urobuchi thinks. http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Fate/Zero:Volume_1_Postface Yumekichi11 said: Upon reading it it looked like a interesting twist may have occurred that she may have killed Kamijou through seeing in her lair whereas the little mermaid decided to not kill the prince. A interesting twist but it shows none the less that she became a Mahou Shojo in a perspective to being loved by Kamijou despite becoming something else and once again becoming a witch. As the mermaid story suggests of the mermaid becoming human then a daughter of the air. 2 transformations. Hm, I like to think that Kyouko 'safed' her = becoming a daughter of the air in the end. There's a (celtric) cross after Kyouko's soulgem breaks through the both of them.  Yumekichi11 said: cleo said: I see, did it work at least? I would think cryogenics would be best in this case. @Yumekichi: Kyouko tried to keep Sayaka’s body warm with her soul gem. They might go somewhere with that, as Homura was talking about disposing of Sayaka's body in a way that wouldn't cause problems. Yumekichi11 said: Thanks for the compliment, but I'm still trying to figure things out. Let's continue this topic in the speculation thread descent87 said: -I wonder if there will be any further resolution to the Hitomi/Sayaka/Kamijou plot line, even if Sayaka is well and truly gone? For some reason I doubt that the producers want to take what we saw in the scene at the park at entirely face value? (aka confession, possible acceptance). I like to see that too. I think Kamiyou is still alive (left from Homura)  (I'm still expecting he rejected Hitomi due to his feelings for Sayaka). descent87 said: I think all the MG's have a character-flaw, Kyouko's was her selfishness. In the end she changed and died.In some ways it really is yet another tragic love in the series, while I am sure Sayaka had come to appreciate Kyouko things were still quite one-sided till the end. *tear* I'm not sure if it was one-sided love though. In that hallway towards Sayaka's barrier, there's an image of Kyouko with her bag of apples. Strange thing is: I can't find Mami anywhere in that hallway (being Sayaka's idol), so maybe in the end her feelings for Kyouko were more important. descent87 said: Assuming an ending where A: Madoka becomes a magical girl, and B: She has to use QB to do it...I really wonder if Madoka will somewhat have her revenge on that jerk through some very "careful" phrasing of her wish. A big step given Madoka's current timid character but she is becoming a bit more jaded and if done correctly it could be part of an interesting ending. I think she should ask QB if it's possible to become a magical girl without having her soul in a griefseed. KiraMustDie said: Also, seeing Sayaka as a witch makes me curious about the other witches in the earlier episodes, and who they were when they were human. I'm hoping we'll see that in an OVA. There's speculation Charlotte was a terminally ill cancer patient (rows of beds, allowed to eat candy but no dairy products). I want to see their backstory too! rawrggh said: Even though I do agree that QB being an alien is one of weaker parts of the anime, the entropy reason does make sense as the concept of time was introduced when it was revealed when homura is a time traveler, and entropy is based on space, time, and energy(heat). I suck at physics, so I need some explaining. QB needs Madoka's energy to stop the entropy. Would that power be enough to last forever? Because he tells her that in a far future humans are gonna move to his planet (and turn into logical beings as well?). He's taking a huge risk, as godtier witch Madoka can destroy the universe (if what he said was true, and he hasn't lied yet). rawrggh said: another interesting tidbit is how entropy affects time. In our universe, the direction of time is moving forward since entropy is increasing. But in mahou shoujo, entropy is decreasing so the direction of time is moving the opposite direction. I wonder how it affects homura's time traveling. but this prolly doesnt apply to the anime though. xD You know, that is interesting, also because the runes in the prologue have to be read backwards. More to speculate about. |
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| Seems I'll be right about that Walpurgis in the next episode... oh can't wait :] Good episode by the way ;) |
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| Give me my Kyouko chan back T____________T Kyouko chan Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! |
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| I'm quite interested what would happen if Madoka (or someone else) made a contract and said "I wish the universe's energy stopped falling" or at least "I wish Kyubey's society started understanding and respecting human emotions". Maybe that would be the ultimate solution? |
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| Right now I can't stop crying. I had a feeling that Kyouko is going to die but I hoped that she would stay longer. ;_; She was soo awesome!!!! ;_; It was heartbreaking to see Kyouko's sacrifice. ;_; Sorry, I need to watch something happier to get this episode off my mind for a bit. |
Hoppy said: This anime teaches a simple but deep lesson to all of us, No wishing under any circumstances, there's no good in doing so, and usually attracts misery and bad company. Incomplete. What it teaches us is that you should wish for something without being prepared for it's consequences. That does NOT mean you shouldn't wish. It just means you should weight it carefully, and be ready to face the consequences. And live through them. And that's the only thing that's bugging me so far. The fact that none of the characters seem to be able to do it. They made their wish, and their lives turned to hell in return. That is normal. I am just annoyed that none of them was able to handle it. I mean, they just keep failing at everything they attempt. Madoka keeps failing to help everyone around her QB keeps failing to turn her Homura keeps failing at getting Madoka out of magic stuff for good Mami failed to keep her life Sayaka failed to keep her soul And even Kyoko, which was immune to this so far, failed to save Sayaka. Sure, they are young girls. And QB is tricking them, even though he doesn't acknowledge it. But still, I would be glad to see at least one of them being able to cope with the backlash. The girls threw a rock at a ocean. In return, they got a tsunami. All of them were crushed. I hope that at least Madoka will be able to surf it. And that is the last time you will hear me say anything bad about Madoka. |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in." |
| Kyouko is just amazing. |
| About the entropy thingie, I think we should also consider that he could also lied. And for those who question why QB's race tried hard to make some mahou shoujo rather than finding some solution with another theory (such as converting matter into energy), maybe it's just a kind of experiments. There's no cheaper way to save the universe by just granting some "small" (compared to universe) wish and letting a little amount of 6-billion species sacrificed as the cost. It's not different with people who sacrifices some cute lil animals for the sake of sciences and greater good. |
| So to sum it up, Kuubei is an alien and Kyouko and Sayaka are dead. Damn, I just started liking Kyouko too. I hope at least one of them comes back to life or from beyond the grave here. |
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| So Urobuchi mixed in his 'sentient life form' from Saya no Uta and Kiritsugu(of FSN)'s 'to save a majority, a minority has to be sacrificed' concept. I'm just speechless. Practically gritting my teeth at the awesomeness here. Now it's just Homura left and the promised day of the Walpurgis(?) comes. Will Madoka become energy for the universea Mahou Shoujo? I can't wait. On a small note, I like their classroom, especially their desks. Plus every one of them has a laptop. I want to study there :3 |
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| This Anime season is not as good as the previous seasons but this Anime is a absolute masterpiece. The story is simply brilliant and very interesting to watch and it takes a completely different approach then what you normally see in Mahou Shoujo's. It's also the first time where the main character doesn't become a Mahou Shoujo and is in doubt of becoming one. The one responsible for giving girls magical powers is pretty evil emotionless and there is no telling whether he is stating the truth or not. Kyubey also keeps allot to himself about Mahou Shoujo and is a good example that you should not make a contract before you know everything about it. I like the fact that it also isn't just cute little girls running around in cute outfits like what you usually see in Mahou Shoujo's and it's very violent compared to what we normally see as well in this genre. All in all i am having a great time watching. About the episode. I somehow figured that Kyouko would die i didn't expect her to sacrifice herself and take Sayaka with her. It was also shown how far Kyubey is going to make sure Madoka becomes a Mahou Shoujo. Tho as mentioned before i doubt that he was telling her the truth about trying to save the universe his story seems a pretty far fetch. And his previous actions also seems to suggest otherwise plus there was that thing Homura said in the previous episode. I can't wait till next week to see what's going to happen it's really going to be interesting. |
| Pretty intense episode! I like how this series doesn't hesitate to kill off the characters. Albeit a little too much. All the leads are dropping like flies. D: Evil Kyubey is evil as usual. |
| If you ever feel like you want to die for the sake of the universe, just ask me. ;) o.O |
aznkirby890 said: http://3-me.net/flashdir/shootqb/ For Kyuubey Haters ooooh~ yay another QB hate game for me to play xDD lol anyways.. I liked this episode, it showed how cool Kyoko really was <3 :c well, somehow I feel bad for Homura, she's trying epicly hard not to make her a mahou shoujo, even though I'm wondering if it'll happen xD? (chances are yes, it will :c) well, all in all, this ep was interesting c: |
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Villetta_Nu said: Go to hell, Kyubei!!! Just go straight to hell you evil, deceptive, rabbit-cat-fox thingy!!! ROFL hahaha man not stopping Kyoko just that madoka needs to become a mahou shoujo before the Walpurgis night |
Omniknight said:  QFT. I seriously thought that the Entropy explanation makes sense. I can't see why people are upset that there is an actual plausible reason when a majority of shows would never bother of making the challenge. I serious like it when they are able to use logic that is complex enough that it makes you have to think slightly. Although i hate it even more when there they fail to impress me with an explanation. |
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| Kyubey is so be f*cked if heat death proves to not be the ultimate fate of the (uni)verse. |
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