| It's basic knowledge that in a good story the MC should have character development. If the doesn't he is not a fit MC. |
| It's ok if they have a lot of good traits, but they need a weakness the story will target and then lots of conflict can arise from it which is essentially the story. |
| “Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's first law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth. But the world isn't perfect, and the law is incomplete..." -Alphonse Elric "Then and now, what I protect has never changed!" -Sakata Gintoki I'll take anything like The Pet Girl of Sakurasou. Anything as good as that. |
Metalixx said: In some anime that I have seen, the MC (usually a boy) has many privileges that either arent explained or either too unbelievable. For example: -MC that every girl falls in love with -MC that cant lose and gain a new power in every battle -MC that no one can outsmart Can anyone give examples of this happening and do you find it annoying? Rather than the MC itself feeling annoying in that kind of case, the story itself feel dull and the AUTHOR is annoying for doing it. Don't blame MC kun for something that the Author is clearly responsible here. It's not his fault if his enemies always sucks, and if all the girls are going after him. ;) kamisama751 said: Examples are... light novel adaptations and I find it mostly annoying. Actually that's probably something that you find far more easily in manga than LN. Even by restricting it to LN adaptation, it's still not as frequent ImO. |
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hydro said: People don't notice it because they think with their dicks, but a lot of main characters are actually too good for the girls that fall in love with them. I see a lot of people claim your average MC is "lucky" to have one or more girls fall for him, and that he doesn't deserve it/they're too good for him. Perhaps sometimes, but you have to take it on a case by case basis. When you think about some anime in a real life context, the male MC would actually be a "better catch" than one or more of the females. Some common romance male MC traits: Relatively handsome Kind, honorable, helps those in need Good cook and homemaker (becoming more common to see this in male characters than female ones, perhaps to not stereotype women as "homemaker wife". I think it's a good thing personally, I welcome even more male MCs with waifu skillz) Extremely high tolerance for bullshit (especially in anime with tsundere heroines) Sometimes intelligent and/or strong Sometimes quick witted with a good sense of humor (I liked based tsukkomi ones the most) People may not notice any of this, because they're too busy whacking it to one of the pretty grils. But when you think about it rationally, some of them would be a catch irl. Can't say the same about all female romantic interests. Some sure, but some others would definitely be worth staying away from... .................holy crap. THANK YOU I've been saying this for years...........I never thought I'd encounter a post that sums up everything I believe about male MCs on MAL. |
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| Plot armor and wish fulfillment are two of my least favorite tropes, but only when used in excess. Almost every MC has those two in some degree because how would they be the protagonist that the reader could sympathize with if they didn't? |
Stellapuer said: Unless it is intended, (ex: One punch man) I prefer for characters to have flaws and room for development. Shirayukishi said: It's basic knowledge that in a good story the MC should have character development. If the doesn't he is not a fit MC. None of the privileges OP describes prevent the characters from having flaws and development. Cejara said: I don't really think this is a privilege, but I will add it in here. When the MC spews a whole bunch of idealistic crap that no one in their right mind would say. Then all the other characters drink the kool-aid on the MC's belief like they have no belief of their own and co-sign all his bullshit. For example, not killing the enemy that will clearly come back to try and kill your friends, family, and others. Everyone will agree with the MC, and then this guy will come back and usually kill a side-character. Like what the hell, does none of these characters have a mind of their own? Must they always dick-ride the MC every minute of his/her existence? You're forgetting two important points: 1) The author has his/her own idealistic beliefs. 2) Unless the author is unusually skilled and wise, his way of thinking heavily influences that of all his characters. Except, probably, those meant to be evil. Also, do you really like it when the MC has a "friend" who kills off all the enemies that he let go? I've seen anime like this, by the way. I can't remember which one, check "poisonous friend" on tvtropes. Tevens said: The main problem in anime nowdays is what we call "Hundred Generic". i just want to know why they so confidently adapt something that has almost the same story, ecchi pattern, character, and action. don't get me wrong. i'm okay with it, but at least i want to see something more interesting than that. [sarcasm] Yeah, I wonder how did they do it. I mean, it's not like magical girl warrior anime existed in the same form as Sailor Moon for decades... And the mecha shows are soo new... [/sarcasm] Seriously, guys, get used to it, start seeing the differences, not the similarities. iwantawaifu said: What I meant is that it becomes unrealistic in the sense that they are that hard to relate to. I think it is essential that the a sense of reality in terms of human nature must be present in order to properly engage the main character into the audience, hence I said it was BORING . Moreover, that reality may be translated in the form of weaknesses that the MC must be able to overcome. When such weakness is absent, the character tends to be stagnant and poorly developed. Look at Kirito. Since that particular weakness or conflict is absent, two seasons weren't enough to develop his character thoroughly. Thanks for the insight though. :) Well, if you've already accepted that the MC wields the Dark Flame of Doom, it shouldn't be so hard to accept he's actually good at wielding it. Are you not good at what you do? And that girls like him for being that awesome. I mean, even Light can summon a horde of girls when he needs it to further his plans. That said, weaknesses he needs to overcome? Relatability? Screw that. Vash the Stampede has only weaknesses he doesn't need to overcome, and he's an excellent main character. doom19876 said: I think it's annoying, based of what I've seen. Characters that can't be defeated because they're the main character for no utter good reason bothers me. Like that blonde guy in ZnTempest. He's weaker, has limited powers and goes to fight someone more experienced with effectively limitless powers because he's an arrogant prick. Then he manages to survive miraculously because there are like 20 more episodes he has to be in. But yeah ever since I've avoided anime that I think might be like that like the plague. Isn't the blonde guy simply the most badass fighter in the whole show? JSlick said: I want to see a main character that dies in the middle of the show for once. I want to be surprised. More like GoT except less deaths. Have you seen TTGL already? |
| @Flannan That's true, I forgot that some writers may poor their ideals into as well; however, I think most writers just go with the common tropes that use extremist ideals for their MC's moreso than their own ideals. I do like anime that have the friend kill off all the antagonist that the MC let's go or even the MC himself kills the antagonists. I guess an example of this would be Gon and Killua. They do this in 2 arcs that come to mind (Greed Island and Chimera Ant). |
hydro said: People don't notice it because they think with their dicks, but a lot of main characters are actually too good for the girls that fall in love with them. I see a lot of people claim your average MC is "lucky" to have one or more girls fall for him, and that he doesn't deserve it/they're too good for him. Perhaps sometimes, but you have to take it on a case by case basis. When you think about some anime in a real life context, the male MC would actually be a "better catch" than one or more of the females. Some common romance male MC traits: Relatively handsome Kind, honorable, helps those in need Good cook and homemaker (becoming more common to see this in male characters than female ones, perhaps to not stereotype women as "homemaker wife". I think it's a good thing personally, I welcome even more male MCs with waifu skillz) Extremely high tolerance for bullshit (especially in anime with tsundere heroines) Sometimes intelligent and/or strong Sometimes quick witted with a good sense of humor (I liked based tsukkomi ones the most) People may not notice any of this, because they're too busy whacking it to one of the pretty grils. But when you think about it rationally, some of them would be a catch irl. Can't say the same about all female romantic interests. Some sure, but some others would definitely be worth staying away from...  thank you. finnaly some one that agreed with me. OT: as long it's not breaking my suspension of disbelief, i am pretty okay with it. i also usually like totaly normal people who usually disliked by many. (osamu from WT for example) |
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flannan said: doom19876 said: I think it's annoying, based of what I've seen. Characters that can't be defeated because they're the main character for no utter good reason bothers me. Like that blonde guy in ZnTempest. He's weaker, has limited powers and goes to fight someone more experienced with effectively limitless powers because he's an arrogant prick. Then he manages to survive miraculously because there are like 20 more episodes he has to be in. But yeah ever since I've avoided anime that I think might be like that like the plague. Isn't the blonde guy simply the most badass fighter in the whole show? Don't know, don't care |
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| looking at your favorites it doesn't really seem like you have a problem with it |
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Fred457 said: looking at your favorites it doesn't really seem like you have a problem with it No I dont, it actually depends. There is some that I can tolerate. I just want to know others' opinion based on it. |
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| @flannan Sir, overcoming weaknesses does not necessarily have to mean losing that weakness. It can also mean forming a resolution towards that weaknesses which can either result in an improvement, or perhaps a degradation in the character. Of course, you can always argue that the word I used is overcome, and hence the character must not succumb to that weakness. I stand corrected here. What I just wanted to explain is that characters' weaknesses or probably undesirable points/undeveloped potentials are an essential part of the plot's conflict, which is the main reason the story continues, given that they have to resolve the conflict, part of which is the character's personality and such. The lack of weaknesses, therefore, undermines the character's potential for a change in character which makes that character stagnant, constant and eventually tiring. Of course, you could always point out that characters who significantly show very solid character personality (Saitama, he could be) remove the necessity for that so-called weakness for a development in character. The thing is, different animes have different callings for the solidity of character personality. When OP characters are put in an environment so close to reality (which expresses the anime's desire to RELATE with the intended audience) then I believe a character development is necessary to make the character realistically conveyed to the viewers. The way to achieve this is to not make the character look like he can actually solve anything (and he would always do). Thank you for your enlightening opinion sir. @Chiibi Yes, possibly. But the thing, sir, is that Kirito suffers from good character development. Yes of course you could actually point out that Kirito suffered from the guilt feeling of killing the members of the Laughing Coffin, but what significance did it give to the overall personality of Kirito? Yes for those episodes where his guilt is concentrated, he might have meditated and realized that his actions were not only for the good of himself but also for the people he loved, but how did that realization in his self-absorbed guilt become emphasized in the latter parts of the show? It wasn't fleshed out well and became only part of the plot instead of a major influencer of the plot. Of course, you could also point out that his weakness can include his downright loyalty to the people he cares about, getting to the point of entering an entirely different game to save Asuna, or probably going to the house of Shino Asada to help her against Death Gun, but it's not even a conflict to begin with. It is the human nature of Kirito which makes us relate to him, but not enough to visualize enough character development. But I still salute Kirito-kun, sir. We both do. |
A retard is trying to prove his point, thanks. |
| ^I'm not a "sir"....but all right then.........I just think he gets more than people give him credit for....especially compared to other mcs of light novels. |
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| Totally agree OP. It's one of the most cliche trope in anime MC. So lame and degrading quality of anime. Poor writing indeed. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
KaoruMatsuoka said: Plot armor and wish fulfillment are two of my least favorite tropes, but only when used in excess. Almost every MC has those two in some degree because how would they be the protagonist that the reader could sympathize with if they didn't? Wish-fulfillment can easily be done away with - SEL, Digimon Tamers, medabots are all shows without it. Plot armor is necessary though. If your main character dies, there better be a good reason beyond "There was a low probabilty of survival". People survive horrible situations all the time. |
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| Yes, realistic characters are seems to be more enjoyble to watch |
| lmao in hunter x hunter the main chars are 12 year olds who literally no one can beat/fuck over, but i still enjoyed it a lot guess it depends on the anime |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
Annoyed? No, not really. Maybe, bored or realizing how bad the writing is, but that depends on the show. If it was something like No Game No life, it's fine, but if it's something like SAO, it's pretty ehh.  |
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