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Yumekichi11 said: For this and for the saturn thing, you're just overthinking things.. lol |
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kaimax said: So it was a lie but that is impossible because the VN says it happens. Like that person comes and does what he/she wants to do.Yumekichi11 said: For this kaimax said: Well it's interesting religious point considering we are bombarded by that calendar when it appears with the only planetary reference that makes sense in all this theme of time/space travel. Hence why I think like that.and for the saturn thing, you're just overthinking things.. lol |
| Crazy theory. What if Kurisu actually kills herself? No i don't mean sacrificing herself for Mayuri but deciding to transport her Alpha line self to beta line and kill herself there so she can keep going as the Kurisu of Beta? |
| Being Okarin is suffering. That fucking hurt. |
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Yumekichi11 said: kaimax said: So it was a lie but that is impossible because the VN says it happens. Like that person comes and does what he/she wants to do.Yumekichi11 said: For this Here's the Problem |
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| All this speculation is starting to confuse me. Has the preview for Episode 22 been posted yet? vansonbee said: Mayuri define who Okabe is. The mad scientist personality was created to protect Mayuri from disappearing. :p Sounds silly, but it's sort of true. This is why I strongly support the Mayushii x Okarin pairing. They belong together. Well, at least Mayuri and Kyouma do. |
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Linkfan001 said: InterNetCasaNova said: Hmmm I think I have everything figured out and If I'm right neither Kurisu nor Mayuri will die. I'm usually right when I take guesses so *click at your own discretion* ur post make sense! it's all clear now but... that ending with kurisu gave me a bad feeling O_O' It does not. If they return to the first timeline then Kurisu will die by any means possible and it will not be possible to escape that. This post suggest that Suzu is the one that kill Kurisu the same way Moeka killed Mayuri back in time. Yet we saw that even if we remove the source of the death (Suzu killing Kurisu ; Moeka killing Mayuri) the person in question will still die in another way and if we also remove that source then she will die in yet another way and it unfold infinitely. The only way to escape this problem is to move to a different worldline and even if he manage to do it then it could have huge repercusion on the future and someone else he hold dear could die instead of Kurisi and Mayuri. Also I am afraid that Kurisu will start to break down soon and unlike many people I do not imagine someone of her intellect to chose to sacrifice herself for Mayuri. Instead she will probably try to find a way for the two of them to survive in her own way and will probably go wrong somewhere along the way and start to develop extremist method which will lead to the future where Suzu come from. |
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| If the ending is done well, this anime has a shot at taking over the top spot on my favorite anime list. The episodes have just gotten better and better as the story progresses. I'm really loving me some Steins Gate!! Can't wait for next week's episode! |
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| Found next week's preview (turns out it was on the same YouTube channel as all the others, derp). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84LVc2PNwuk Although that Dr Pepper at the end put me on the verge of orgasm, tears, and death simultaneously, it seems like it's gonna be another "boring" episode. I was hoping for more intensity this late in the series, but I doubt it will disappoint. |
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RedMage23 said: I guess more patching and reconciliation with Makise? The Dr.Pepper does ensue something bad happening to Makise or a sense of five up. Remember that we are talking about a drink that Makise loves and if it shown like that then it could just mean something bad. Hard to explain for me but I just sense that.Although that Dr Pepper at the end put me on the verge of orgasm, tears, and death simultaneously, it seems like it's gonna be another "boring" episode. I was hoping for more intensity this late in the series, but I doubt it will disappoint. |
RedMage23 said: Episode 22 = it seems like it's gonna be another "boring" episode. I was hoping for more intensity this late in the series, but I doubt it will disappoint. It's honestly going to be the most romance driven episode... lol Both the Mayuri End and Kurisu End is more on the romance/emotional path, jusdging by the preview it's going to go straight to Kurisu End. so then we will get episode 23 and 24 for the True End. Prepare tissues. |
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Yumekichi11 said: I guess more patching and reconciliation with Makise? The Dr.Pepper does ensue something bad happening to Makise or a sense of five up. Remember that we are talking about a drink that Makise loves and if it shown like that then it could just mean something bad. Hard to explain for me but I just sense that. I agree. I think episode 22 will basically be for Makise fans what they wanted from 21. We can make some inferences about episode 23 from its name, but episode 24 is still a mystery to everyone... |
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Yumekichi11 said: IMO it leads to chapter 10. No, you misunderstood me: Episode titles (along will small non-spoilery summaries) are listed here to back-up what I said: http://anime.webnt.jp/programs/view/31 ....and a lot of Japanese blogs say the same thing. The only episode that doesn't have a title or summary is 24. |
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kaimax said: Ah well something like that to elude me, yeah that is a problem indeed well Okabe can always send a D-Mail warning her not to go there maybe? Will that make the divergence worse?Yumekichi11 said: kaimax said: So it was a lie but that is impossible because the VN says it happens. Like that person comes and does what he/she wants to do.Yumekichi11 said: For this Here's the Problem LadyOrihime said: Oh shit! They are going for it then, well it looks that it will end well for Makise people then. Ah shit maybe they might not putYumekichi11 said: IMO it leads to chapter 10. No, you misunderstood me: Episode titles (along will small non-spoilery summaries) are listed here to back-up what I said: http://anime.webnt.jp/programs/view/31 ....and a lot of Japanese blogs say the same thing. The only episode that doesn't have a title or summary is 24. |
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| Well, that was an emotional episode but If I were really him, no doubt I won't go back to alpha line. It maybe suffering at first but at least za zombie is there. |
| Messages from someone. 《00*》岡部倫太郎が最初にＤメールを送ったあの世界線は、ダイバージェンス1.130426％だったことを確認している。…誰が確認したか、だと？ それについては、そうだな…禁則事項ということにでもしておいてくれ。 Twitter / @FutureGadgetLab 《00*》 The world line where Rintaro Okabe sent the first D-mail has been confirmed that the divergence number was 1.130426%... Who observed it? You asking? Hmm, well... That's classified. Understand so. 《00*》ダイバージェンス値は、１％を境にして大きく分岐する。１％未満ならばアトラクタフィールドα。１％以上ならばアトラクタフィールドβ。アトラクタフィールドαでは、未来においてＳＥＲＮによるディストピアが形成される。それを回避せよと主張したのが、ジョン・タイターだった。 Twitter / @FutureGadgetLab 《00*》 Divergence number departs significantly from the boundary around 1%. The divergence less than 1% leads to the attractor field alpha. The divergence more than 1% leads to the attractor field beta. With the attractor field alpha, SERN forms dystopia in the future. It was John Titer who warned to avoid such consequence. I'm not sure my translation is correct... Tweets from Future Gadget Labo. 《001》 Hououin Kyouma, 《002》 Mayuri Shiina, 《003》 Itaru Hashida, 《004》 Kurisu Makise 《00*》 ??? |
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Dusk252 said: ya,kinda think of it,maybe you are right.To become a lab member, the person must an intention to use D-mail to change his/her past.So the moment they use D-mail, the world line will reconstruct and he/she will loss its intention to use the D-mail, but when Okabe resent a D-mail to undo the last D-mail. They regain their intention to want to send the D-mail again, but they end up just sending a fail D-mail because Okabe undo the last D-mail send in the past. MorningGlory said: OrochiPL said: its part of her dreamwhy did she tell her granny that they have a lot of new members in lab? Not necessarily. So basically they are just sending D-mail which is fail yet they can become lab member after Okabe undo the D-mail. |
Dusk252 said: Not necessarily. Remember when Okabe first drastically changed things (Akihabara)? He noticed that while a lot changed, relationships didn't. It happened every single time the worldline changes. Not even Ruka's gender change kept him from becoming a close friend with Mayurii. Even if under different situations, Ruka, Suzuha, Feyris and Moeka still joined the lab at some point. You're mostly right, but there was one exception: Moeka. There was one world line shift after which nobody remembered Moeka except for Okabe. |
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RedMage23 said: after Moeka sent the D-mail, she is no longer a lab member and she also never even set foot in the lab at all.Dusk252 said: You're mostly right, but there was one exception: Moeka. There was one world line shift after which nobody remembered Moeka except for Okabe. Moeka is the only outsider but right now she is an official lab member ^.^and won't get killed by Mr.brown or Nae or suicide ... |
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| I have one question as i don't remember explanation about it or maybe it was never explained to begin with. Did SERN have some kind of timeline log machine? if someone changed timeline, then SERN machine will log that event and also get information about that unknown user? If yes. then can you tell me where it was mentioned.. or why they need to crack SERN database and delete data in order to go back to original timeline? |
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| Heart-shattering episode, very atmospheric yet almost brutal seeing what needs to happen in the next episodes. By far one of the best of the series, and a fantastic build up for what's yet to come. |
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| Poor Mayushii having to relive the killings in her nightmares again. Okabe had it bad too. I'm glad he is still keeping it together somehow. |
| I'm glad the questions I have had for a while has been half-answered, so I would still like to know more without getting major spoils from the VN. So in the original Alpha world line, before Kurisu was murdered and before the lecture began for the first episode, Suzuha landed on top of that building in 2010. And then afterwards we see that Kurisu is unfortunately murdered and then here's the part I ponder about. Okabe sent the FIRST D-mail. I don't recall the phone microwave already being established AND about the message he sends it to. He sent it to Daru, but how the hell is he of any significance to move the world line by preventing Kurisu's death?! I've been hearing that question is really going to be revealed in the VN, but if not, then what? Second of all, back to the part Suzuha landing before the first D-mail was sent. She was time traveling, but for what purpose besides what we could possibly know as looking for her dad? Is it not to go back in time to prevent SERN from creating the dystopia? I know this would be something that's considered Beta world line since that's what she revealed, but what purpose in Alpha? Last but not least, I've rewatched ep 1 for about 4 times including the first run through to try and understand what happened. Right after Okabe met Kurisu and ran away, he received a text message before his screen went static. I cannot read Japanese yet, but can someone mind tell me what it reads if they're willing to rewatch the episode? I know this is all going to be revealed very soon, but I'd like to know this stuff before they reveal without spoilers judging from what's already aired. I know, I'm weird like that. xP |
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GigaSPX said: I'm glad the questions I have had for a while has been half-answered, so I would still like to know more without getting major spoils from the VN. So in the original Alpha world line, before Kurisu was murdered and before the lecture began for the first episode, Suzuha landed on top of that building in 2010. And then afterwards we see that Kurisu is unfortunately murdered and then here's the part I ponder about. Okabe sent the FIRST D-mail. I don't recall the phone microwave already being established AND about the message he sends it to. He sent it to Daru, but how the hell is he of any significance to move the world line by preventing Kurisu's death?! I've been hearing that question is really going to be revealed in the VN, but if not, then what? You got it wrong. The current worldline is Alpha, and the original one is Beta. The phone microwave was already being invented before the events of Steins;Gate. Daru was conducting a test run of the device by attaching his phone to it, when Okabe sends the mail to him. It's just a coincidence. Fatalism. Kurisu survived because the timeline was shifted into the Alpha Attractor Field. As simple as that. Okabe's 1st D-mail made this worldline comes true. It's the start of a chain of events that ultimately leads to SERN dystopia. Kurisu's survival is not the initial cause, but she is a much needed component of the chain nevertheless. Going by causality and the Attractor Field Theory, Kurisu MUST survive to see the foundation of the dystopia. GigaSPX said: Second of all, back to the part Suzuha landing before the first D-mail was sent. She was time traveling, but for what purpose besides what we could possibly know as looking for her dad? Is it not to go back in time to prevent SERN from creating the dystopia? I know this would be something that's considered Beta world line since that's what she revealed, but what purpose in Alpha? It will soon be revealed, I can give you a hint tho. In episode 2, Okabe said John Titor was supposed to make her(we knew it's indeed Suzuha) frist appearance on the US forums back in 2000, claiming that something terrible will happen in the future and she's here to save the world. Sounds familiar? GigaSPX said: Last but not least, I've rewatched ep 1 for about 4 times including the first run through to try and understand what happened. Right after Okabe met Kurisu and ran away, he received a text message before his screen went static. I cannot read Japanese yet, but can someone mind tell me what it reads if they're willing to rewatch the episode? It's nothing special. =X |
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| The more times I see Mayushii die the harder I laugh. :P |
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| I totally see now...but damn, now I see where this story is heading. :/ Thanks for answering my question! |
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| So Kurisu went to the place where she died maybe we will get a clue or something that could solve the problems |
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| It is possible that Suzuha is Kurisu killer from >1% world? |
PilariousD said: It is possible that Suzuha is Kurisu killer from >1% world? I think the clues point towards that. Suzuha has made it clear that she is on Okabe's side and against Kurisu. |
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| Mayuri's monologue in this almost brought me to tears. God I love Kana Hanazawa. |
PilariousD said: It is possible that Suzuha is Kurisu killer from >1% world? I don't think it's her at all. All we saw is her hatred towards her in the alpha worldline and even there she didn't take the action to kill her. In beta Kurisu dies, that's it. No time machines which SERN can control to create dystopia (maybe after years of researching and experimenting they can make it?) Steins;Gate still makes me guess >.< |
Han-yuu said: I have one question as i don't remember explanation about it or maybe it was never explained to begin with. Did SERN have some kind of timeline log machine? if someone changed timeline, then SERN machine will log that event and also get information about that unknown user? If yes. then can you tell me where it was mentioned.. or why they need to crack SERN database and delete data in order to go back to original timeline? yeah but no one but the lab members have some form of reading steiner, the ability to remember what occurs during time line shift, like the older suzuha near death, they'll just be like "did anything change? i dunno, oh well" they'll just have logs that they cant tell changed |
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bakuramariks said: I don't think it's her at all. All we saw is her hatred towards her in the alpha worldline and even there she didn't take the action to kill her. In beta Kurisu dies, that's it. No time machines which SERN can control to create dystopia (maybe after years of researching and experimenting they can make it?) But we KNOW Suzuha still travels to July 28, 2010, even in the beta world line. Okabe saw her. The reason Suzuha didn't try to kill Kurisu is because (in the alpha world line) we know that's not the reason why she traveled to the year 2010; the reason was to meet her father. "The Time Machine" factor could also come into play: you can't go back in time and change the past or else you would eliminate the cause for you having traveled back in time in the first place (it can be a bit confusing if you haven't read The Time Machine by H.G. Wells). Personally, I don't think Suzuha killed Kurisu in the beta world line either. Deep in her heart I think Suzuha knows that Kurisu is mostly an innocent victim. I'm just saying that it seems like the show wants you to think that. |
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kkmaster1337 said: Han-yuu said: I have one question as i don't remember explanation about it or maybe it was never explained to begin with. Did SERN have some kind of timeline log machine? if someone changed timeline, then SERN machine will log that event and also get information about that unknown user? If yes. then can you tell me where it was mentioned.. or why they need to crack SERN database and delete data in order to go back to original timeline? yeah but no one but the lab members have some form of reading steiner, the ability to remember what occurs during time line shift, like the older suzuha near death, they'll just be like "did anything change? i dunno, oh well" they'll just have logs that they cant tell changed okay, i understand about okabe reading steiner and lab members can remember things happened in previous time line, like Rukako remembered his past or Suzuha etc. but what i don't understand is why they need to crack SERN database? and delete data in alpha line when Okabe is planning to go back in beta line? (yeah, he stopped his plan because of Kurisu death but i think that has nothing to do with cracking SERN database) I remembered Daru hacked SERN server when they were in Alpha line (after first timeline incident). Kurisu was also there. SERN tracked their location and also what are they up to.. that make sense. BUT in beta line (where kurisu died) they didn't hacked SERN database then why he need to delete record first before going back to beta line? |
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Han-yuu said: but what i don't understand is why they need to crack SERN database? Hint: John Titor mentions "this" in one of his @Channel Posts. |
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RedMage23 said: sound like grandfather paradox but unfortunately, this Anime created attractor field and the divergence to counter this problem."The Time Machine" factor could also come into play: you can't go back in time and change the past or else you would eliminate the cause for you having traveled back in time in the first place (it can be a bit confusing if you haven't read The Time Machine by H.G. Wells). Han-yuu said: SERN is just right below their lab ...and "SERN" is not deaf since Okabe speak so loud regarding those time machine topic and those "noisy experiment".SERN tracked their location |
| Now that she's been told she should be dead, kurisu is going to have an existential crisis.. you know what that means. I dunno, I'm just paranoid. |
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MorningGlory said: RedMage23 said: sound like grandfather paradox but unfortunately, this Anime created attractor field and the divergence to counter this problem."The Time Machine" factor could also come into play: you can't go back in time and change the past or else you would eliminate the cause for you having traveled back in time in the first place (it can be a bit confusing if you haven't read The Time Machine by H.G. Wells). Um... it may SOUND like the grandfather paradox, but it's not exactly. The attractor field has very little to do with what I'm talking about. What I'm saying has nothing to do with moving world lines. Like I said, it's confusing if you haven't read the book. |
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kusushi said: Were you Okarin, which one will you save? Kurisu or Mayuri? Kurisu <3. But I really hope He'll save them both .... |
RedMage23 said: bakuramariks said: I don't think it's her at all. All we saw is her hatred towards her in the alpha worldline and even there she didn't take the action to kill her. In beta Kurisu dies, that's it. No time machines which SERN can control to create dystopia (maybe after years of researching and experimenting they can make it?) But we KNOW Suzuha still travels to July 28, 2010, even in the beta world line. Okabe saw her. The reason Suzuha didn't try to kill Kurisu is because (in the alpha world line) we know that's not the reason why she traveled to the year 2010; the reason was to meet her father. "The Time Machine" factor could also come into play: you can't go back in time and change the past or else you would eliminate the cause for you having traveled back in time in the first place (it can be a bit confusing if you haven't read The Time Machine by H.G. Wells). Personally, I don't think Suzuha killed Kurisu in the beta world line either. Deep in her heart I think Suzuha knows that Kurisu is mostly an innocent victim. I'm just saying that it seems like the show wants you to think that. Your basically right. Even if Suzuha wanted to kill Kurisu in any of the worldlines, it wouldn't be possible because the world "planned" for her to be killed around 2036 in the dystopian future. You can't try to kill her prior to that date. The world will end up getting in the way in order to prevent her premature death. For example, if Suzuha tried to shoot her pointblank with a gun, the gun will somehow jam and Kurisu will escape. Unlike Mayuri, the world does not wish for her death just yet. So does that mean it's possible that Suzuha could kill Kurisu when the time comes? To be honest, it's not impossible. However, that's just a possibility. Much like how you can commit robbery - it's possible, but will you go through with it? I hope not. I'm surprised by how many people thinking Suzuha must have been the one who killed Kurisu but I guess the simple fact that Suzuha hating Kurisu is enough to assume so. We'll just have to wait and see for the truth... ...but heres a hint if you dare to see: |
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DesolateOne said: I'm gonna put this in spoiler tags even though it's just speculation. In Boukan no Rebellion, Suzuha tries and fails to kill Kurisu TWICE (she gets cold feet and her character won't allow her to pull the trigger). It's implied that this is in the alpha world line, but it's also not confirmed as 100% canon to the anime. I think it's worth mentioning, however. |
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RedMage23 said: DesolateOne said: I'm gonna put this in spoiler tags even though it's just speculation. RedMage23 said: In Boukan no Rebellion, Suzuha tries and fails to kill Kurisu TWICE (she gets cold feet and her character won't allow her to pull the trigger). It's implied that this is in the alpha world line, but it's also not confirmed as 100% canon to the anime. I think it's worth mentioning, however. Yep I guess that's proof that there will be some force that will prevent predetermined deaths from occuring prematurely. |
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MorningGlory said: SERN is just right below their lab ...and "SERN" is not deaf since Okabe speak so loud regarding those time machine topic and those "noisy experiment". FB is affiliated with SERN, but it would be inaccurate to equate him with SERN. He even said himself, he's SERN's cattle. |
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