Overlord (light novel)
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CondemneDio said: Summarize that in 25 words and people might actually read it. Ains has no monologue, he bad. |
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| The problem with Overlord's sequel seasons is that it did nothing to get you immersed in the lives of the main characters. Given how the series does more of 'tell' instead of 'show', the world-building and introduction of yet-another-set-of-fodder characters can only go on for so long. I liked the overall presentation in Season 1 more than the sequel seasons. 3 seasons in and I see no justification as to why Albedo is tagged as the main character other than her increasingly behaving like a waif shit-fu. Momonga doesn't act like the main character in the latter seasons, doesn't matter if he is genuinely evil or not. He doesn't even appear to be evil in season 3 as everyone makes it out to be. There's only so much of SASUGA AINZ SAMA one can find tolerable. Momonga's evil shenanigans felt more forced instead of anything, given how he has little clue on running things and almost entirely relies on Demiurge (who we see very little of) to do the heavy-lifting. I understand his reasons and methodical way of conquering the world, but the intent behind it is hasn't been addressed well. I feel its more to do with how the show hasn't made me care enough about his clan nor Nazarick tomb nor his surprisingly undying (pun-intended) devotion towards his old Guild. Lastly, unless I have been blind in disappointment, not one conclusive follow-up to the mysteries of whodunnit of Season 1 and that shady dialogue between two random characters in the beginning of season 2 has been addressed. Something which I was quite looking forward to in season 3. Perhaps this could be a problem with the adaptation and/or that it is skipping out on content from the LN that gets you more acquainted with the characters and their line of thinking better. Reading the LN might give me a more favorable impression of the series overall. The anime hasn't. tl;dr : read the above. xD |
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| Its the fault of the anime skipping nearly all exposition and inner thoughts of the characters, and key moments. |
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| This really helped pinpoint why my score for this show has been steadily dropping each season. There's a lot of lazy writing going on and I've noticed some inconsistencies. Remember near the beginning, when Momonga couldn't access the Yggdrasil command menus? They dropped that even before the first season ended, with Albedo looking over some lists. Even more recently, Ains was watching something play out with in-game menus, not the scrying spell he had to use before. It bugged me. |
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| Really pinpointed my issue with the second season. I haven't started watching season 3 yet, and I started watching season 2 quite a while after season 1, so I couldn't really put it into words what have changed between season 1 that I rather liked despite its flaw compared to season 2, you really hit the nail on the head with this analysis. psykblue said: This too, and what annoys me the most about this is that it follows exactly the stereotypical scenarios you would see in a harem series, where the protagonist is too pu$$y to actually do something to the girls who keep throwing themselves to him, despite actually having sexual urges. It also annoys me because it's like the author is telling us he's afraid to actually make the girls lose their "virginity" because they are "waifu-materials" and that the loser fans get to keep the girls "pure" for themselves. It's basically breaking the 4th wall in a story, characters don't act logically for real world reasons. Glad there are actually more (manga) series now with protagonist that actually proceed with such act when girls throw themselves at him.Along the same lines, Season 1 initially started out sharing the outlook of the player that the female NPCs were really hot, he (being a gaming nerd) was presumably not to successful with the ladies, and now these super hot former-NPC's were throwing themselves at him... So what does he do with THAT? What decision does he make that leads him to reject them and maintain abstinence in the face of these hot servants hitting on him? Does Lord Ains not have the necessary equipment? Does he not have any sex drive so that the player's initial ogling of female NPC's was just sort of a temporary memory of his prior human drives that has since faded? Does he fear hooking up with one will cause friction with others? Does he have performance anxiety? Again, this plot line was set up by the initial episodes, but then they have completely punted on it, settling instead for just some really shallow running joke about the various female servants declaring how in love with, and jealous over, him they are. A REALISTIC inner monologue about his evolving attitudes in this regard would be fascinating, but we are again deprived of it because the weak writers are not good enough to figure out how to write that. It is not impossible, it is just more difficult than formulaic battles between overpowered hero and any given enemy. CondemneDio said: might as well not respond if you're going to type a half-assed sentence long reply to someone who actually put effort into writing this up. Just saiyanSummarize that in 25 words and people might actually read it. |
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tothebirds said: That's the console for managing nazarick, not the yggdrasil command menu.This really helped pinpoint why my score for this show has been steadily dropping each season. There's a lot of lazy writing going on and I've noticed some inconsistencies. Remember near the beginning, when Momonga couldn't access the Yggdrasil command menus? They dropped that even before the first season ended, with Albedo looking over some lists. Even more recently, Ains was watching something play out with in-game menus, not the scrying spell he had to use before. It bugged me. |
ToG25thBaam said: Momonga has no sex drive, why would he fuck the girls? Read the LN if you want insight into his inner thoughts, the anime butchered all of it.Really pinpointed my issue with the second season. I haven't started watching season 3 yet, and I started watching season 2 quite a while after season 1, so I couldn't really put it into words what have changed between season 1 that I rather liked despite its flaw compared to season 2, you really hit the nail on the head with this analysis. psykblue said: This too, and what annoys me the most about this is that it follows exactly the stereotypical scenarios you would see in a harem series, where the protagonist is too pu$$y to actually do something to the girls who keep throwing themselves to him, despite actually having sexual urges. It also annoys me because it's like the author is telling us he's afraid to actually make the girls lose their "virginity" because they are "waifu-materials" and that the loser fans get to keep the girls "pure" for themselves. It's basically breaking the 4th wall in a story, characters don't act logically for real world reasons. Glad there are actually more (manga) series now with protagonist that actually proceed with such act when girls throw themselves at him.Along the same lines, Season 1 initially started out sharing the outlook of the player that the female NPCs were really hot, he (being a gaming nerd) was presumably not to successful with the ladies, and now these super hot former-NPC's were throwing themselves at him... So what does he do with THAT? What decision does he make that leads him to reject them and maintain abstinence in the face of these hot servants hitting on him? Does Lord Ains not have the necessary equipment? Does he not have any sex drive so that the player's initial ogling of female NPC's was just sort of a temporary memory of his prior human drives that has since faded? Does he fear hooking up with one will cause friction with others? Does he have performance anxiety? Again, this plot line was set up by the initial episodes, but then they have completely punted on it, settling instead for just some really shallow running joke about the various female servants declaring how in love with, and jealous over, him they are. A REALISTIC inner monologue about his evolving attitudes in this regard would be fascinating, but we are again deprived of it because the weak writers are not good enough to figure out how to write that. It is not impossible, it is just more difficult than formulaic battles between overpowered hero and any given enemy. CondemneDio said: might as well not respond if you're going to type a half-assed sentence long reply to someone who actually put effort into writing this up. Just saiyanSummarize that in 25 words and people might actually read it. |
Tobestik said: tothebirds said: That's the console for managing nazarick, not the yggdrasil command menu.This really helped pinpoint why my score for this show has been steadily dropping each season. There's a lot of lazy writing going on and I've noticed some inconsistencies. Remember near the beginning, when Momonga couldn't access the Yggdrasil command menus? They dropped that even before the first season ended, with Albedo looking over some lists. Even more recently, Ains was watching something play out with in-game menus, not the scrying spell he had to use before. It bugged me. Oh, huh. They never said the Nazarick menus couldn't work, so that's not as big of a stretch as I thought it was. My mistake. Tobestik said: ToG25thBaam said: Momonga has no sex drive, why would he fuck the girls? Read the LN if you want insight into his inner thoughts, the anime butchered all of it.Really pinpointed my issue with the second season. I haven't started watching season 3 yet, and I started watching season 2 quite a while after season 1, so I couldn't really put it into words what have changed between season 1 that I rather liked despite its flaw compared to season 2, you really hit the nail on the head with this analysis. This too, and what annoys me the most about this is that it follows exactly the stereotypical scenarios you would see in a harem series, where the protagonist is too pu$$y to actually do something to the girls who keep throwing themselves to him, despite actually having sexual urges. It also annoys me because it's like the author is telling us he's afraid to actually make the girls lose their "virginity" because they are "waifu-materials" and that the loser fans get to keep the girls "pure" for themselves. It's basically breaking the 4th wall in a story, characters don't act logically for real world reasons. Glad there are actually more (manga) series now with protagonist that actually proceed with such act when girls throw themselves at him. might as well not respond if you're going to type a half-assed sentence long reply to someone who actually put effort into writing this up. Just saiyan Momonga mentioned in the anime that something was suppressing his emotions, humanity, and sex drive too. I think he was testing if he could equip a sword without his armor, at the time. |
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ssbanks2000 said: Tobestik touched what I was going to say. Momonga, as an Undead, has an emotional suppression trait. In the anime, whenever you see the green/blue light/glow wash over his body or hear the almost portal-esque sound effect, that is the suppression working. Further, in regards to not boning Albedo (see what I did?) , He refuses to because her obsessive affection for him is a product of him changing her traits in game before getting sucked into the new world. Inner thoughts- If you've watched season 2 then you realize that the majority of it was presented from an outside view...from the eyes of the affected. A lot of season 3 is done similarly. As such, it wouldn't make sense to give the viewers the inner thoughts of Ains since the POV wouldn't get that. WE get the inner thoughts when the story is AinsMomonga's POV. Is there less of that recently? Yes. Is some of it lazy writing? I wouldn't necessarily call it that. There is a lot of material to cover in the span of 13 episodes--Something has to get cut/downsized--why not let it be something that the viewer knows is happening and, as a proxy, can insert for themselves...such as what the character might be thinking? I'm personally aware of his emotional suppression but I still have problems with his increasingly evil actions because it is simply inconsistent with his previous though process. He frequently used his guildmates as a guidance for his actions. That was what motivated him to save the village and to be friendly with humans. Yet all of a sudden he don't care and we don't get to see why he decided so. Having your emotion suppressed doesn't mean that he have no memory. He still understand the concept of kindness and the idea that life is valuable. He is once a human. That knowledge does not fade, yet we don't get to see that conflict with his now-emotionally suppressed pragmatic skeleton body. Before we saw this conflict and his human memories won out. We don't necessarily need that part of him to win, but we should see that struggle before he makes his conclusion. A gradual shift where he becomes more and more evil by both circumstance and fading memories of 'right' and 'wrong.' For those that say "but the LN explained it" isn't really an argument because it is the anime that have degraded in quality, and is different from the LN. I do appreciate the attention given to side characters on Season 1 and 2, but when these side characters are just recurring and of minimal importance, I don't see the purpose in giving them that attention instead of our main character. I liked the attention given to the lizardmen, made me cheer for them even though I know they'll lose. But after having so much of their comrades fallen they HAPPILY serve Ainz and not out of fear and survival. Additionally, all the development given to them is useless because they are now unimportant. IF it is to make us feel bad for the lizardmen, then it failed because they get resurrected anyways. |
zcv45Jul 10, 2020 3:31 PM
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| Irregardless, I find the anime very fun to watch as a non-manga reader of Overlord. I do agree that the direction of the anime is unsatisfactory and it does seem to be much maligned to what I've ascertained about the direction of the manga. It is then a shame that the production constraints are limited to such relatively little screen time for whatever reason. However, the enjoyment of the anime still remains and for that reason it receives a respectable rating from myself. |
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zcv45 said: ssbanks2000 said: Tobestik touched what I was going to say. Momonga, as an Undead, has an emotional suppression trait. In the anime, whenever you see the green/blue light/glow wash over his body or hear the almost portal-esque sound effect, that is the suppression working. Further, in regards to not boning Albedo (see what I did?) , He refuses to because her obsessive affection for him is a product of him changing her traits in game before getting sucked into the new world. Inner thoughts- If you've watched season 2 then you realize that the majority of it was presented from an outside view...from the eyes of the affected. A lot of season 3 is done similarly. As such, it wouldn't make sense to give the viewers the inner thoughts of Ains since the POV wouldn't get that. WE get the inner thoughts when the story is AinsMomonga's POV. Is there less of that recently? Yes. Is some of it lazy writing? I wouldn't necessarily call it that. There is a lot of material to cover in the span of 13 episodes--Something has to get cut/downsized--why not let it be something that the viewer knows is happening and, as a proxy, can insert for themselves...such as what the character might be thinking? I'm personally aware of his emotional suppression but I still have problems with his increasingly evil actions because it is simply inconsistent with his previous though process. He frequently used his guildmates as a guidance for his actions. That was what motivated him to save the village and to be friendly with humans. Yet all of a sudden he don't care and we don't get to see why he decided so. Having your emotion suppressed doesn't mean that he have no memory. He still understand the concept of kindness and the idea that life is valuable. He is once a human. That knowledge does not fade, yet we don't get to see that conflict with his now-emotionally suppressed pragmatic skeleton body. Before we saw this conflict and his human memories won out. We don't necessarily need that part of him to win, but we should see that struggle before he makes his conclusion. A gradual shift where he becomes more and more evil by both circumstance and fading memories of 'right' and 'wrong.' For those that say "but the LN explained it" isn't really an argument because it is the anime that have degraded in quality, and is different from the LN. I do appreciate the attention given to side characters on Season 1 and 2, but when these side characters are just recurring and of minimal importance, I don't see the purpose in giving them that attention instead of our main character. I liked the attention given to the lizardmen, made me cheer for them even though I know they'll lose. But after having so much of their comrades fallen they HAPPILY serve Ainz and not out of fear and survival. Additionally, all the development given to them is useless because they are now unimportant. IF it is to make us feel bad for the lizardmen, then it failed because they get resurrected anyways. Ainz’s character has always been “fuck anyone who won’t be useful to Nazarick.” That’s been his character from day 1. Every time he gets pissed, it’s because someone is trampling on the memory of his friends, or trying to destroy the NPC’s. I really question people who claim that “Ainz was a good person.” He never was. He murdered and tortured people to death in literally the first arc. He chose to not bring back ANY of the dead villagers (in fact, the LN literally has a scene where he thinks “I could bring this guy back, but there’s nothing in it for me, so I won’t” as that dead guy’s daughters weep over how sad it is that he died.) The author has always said that this was a story about someone who transcended morality and became a being who’s surpassed morals. It’s always been about that. tothebirds said: This really helped pinpoint why my score for this show has been steadily dropping each season. There's a lot of lazy writing going on and I've noticed some inconsistencies. Remember near the beginning, when Momonga couldn't access the Yggdrasil command menus? They dropped that even before the first season ended, with Albedo looking over some lists. Even more recently, Ains was watching something play out with in-game menus, not the scrying spell he had to use before. It bugged me. I’m pretty sure the score dropped because of the increasing dependence on CGI. And because of the cut worldbuilding. |
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zcv45 said: ssbanks2000 said: Tobestik touched what I was going to say. Momonga, as an Undead, has an emotional suppression trait. In the anime, whenever you see the green/blue light/glow wash over his body or hear the almost portal-esque sound effect, that is the suppression working. Further, in regards to not boning Albedo (see what I did?) , He refuses to because her obsessive affection for him is a product of him changing her traits in game before getting sucked into the new world. Inner thoughts- If you've watched season 2 then you realize that the majority of it was presented from an outside view...from the eyes of the affected. A lot of season 3 is done similarly. As such, it wouldn't make sense to give the viewers the inner thoughts of Ains since the POV wouldn't get that. WE get the inner thoughts when the story is AinsMomonga's POV. Is there less of that recently? Yes. Is some of it lazy writing? I wouldn't necessarily call it that. There is a lot of material to cover in the span of 13 episodes--Something has to get cut/downsized--why not let it be something that the viewer knows is happening and, as a proxy, can insert for themselves...such as what the character might be thinking? I'm personally aware of his emotional suppression but I still have problems with his increasingly evil actions because it is simply inconsistent with his previous though process. He frequently used his guildmates as a guidance for his actions. That was what motivated him to save the village and to be friendly with humans. Yet all of a sudden he don't care and we don't get to see why he decided so. Having your emotion suppressed doesn't mean that he have no memory. He still understand the concept of kindness and the idea that life is valuable. He is once a human. That knowledge does not fade, yet we don't get to see that conflict with his now-emotionally suppressed pragmatic skeleton body. Before we saw this conflict and his human memories won out. We don't necessarily need that part of him to win, but we should see that struggle before he makes his conclusion. A gradual shift where he becomes more and more evil by both circumstance and fading memories of 'right' and 'wrong.' For those that say "but the LN explained it" isn't really an argument because it is the anime that have degraded in quality, and is different from the LN. I do appreciate the attention given to side characters on Season 1 and 2, but when these side characters are just recurring and of minimal importance, I don't see the purpose in giving them that attention instead of our main character. I liked the attention given to the lizardmen, made me cheer for them even though I know they'll lose. But after having so much of their comrades fallen they HAPPILY serve Ainz and not out of fear and survival. Additionally, all the development given to them is useless because they are now unimportant. IF it is to make us feel bad for the lizardmen, then it failed because they get resurrected anyways. Ainz’s character has always been “fuck anyone who won’t be useful to Nazarick.” That’s been his character from day 1. Every time he gets pissed, it’s because someone is trampling on the memory of his friends, or trying to destroy the NPC’s. I really question people who claim that “Ainz was a good person.” He never was. He murdered and tortured people to death in literally the first arc. He chose to not bring back ANY of the dead villagers (in fact, the LN literally has a scene where he thinks “I could bring this guy back, but there’s nothing in it for me, so I won’t” as that dead guy’s daughters weep over how sad it is that he died.) The author has always said that this was a story about someone who transcended morality and became a being who’s surpassed morals. It’s always been about that. tothebirds said: This really helped pinpoint why my score for this show has been steadily dropping each season. There's a lot of lazy writing going on and I've noticed some inconsistencies. Remember near the beginning, when Momonga couldn't access the Yggdrasil command menus? They dropped that even before the first season ended, with Albedo looking over some lists. Even more recently, Ains was watching something play out with in-game menus, not the scrying spell he had to use before. It bugged me. I’m pretty sure the score dropped because of the increasing dependence on CGI. And because of the cut worldbuilding. |
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KreatorX said: The problem with Overlord's sequel seasons is that it did nothing to get you immersed in the lives of the main characters. Given how the series does more of 'tell' instead of 'show', the world-building and introduction of yet-another-set-of-fodder characters can only go on for so long. I liked the overall presentation in Season 1 more than the sequel seasons. 3 seasons in and I see no justification as to why Albedo is tagged as the main character other than her increasingly behaving like a waif shit-fu. Momonga doesn't act like the main character in the latter seasons, doesn't matter if he is genuinely evil or not. He doesn't even appear to be evil in season 3 as everyone makes it out to be. There's only so much of SASUGA AINZ SAMA one can find tolerable. Momonga's evil shenanigans felt more forced instead of anything, given how he has little clue on running things and almost entirely relies on Demiurge (who we see very little of) to do the heavy-lifting. I understand his reasons and methodical way of conquering the world, but the intent behind it is hasn't been addressed well. I feel its more to do with how the show hasn't made me care enough about his clan nor Nazarick tomb nor his surprisingly undying (pun-intended) devotion towards his old Guild. Lastly, unless I have been blind in disappointment, not one conclusive follow-up to the mysteries of whodunnit of Season 1 and that shady dialogue between two random characters in the beginning of season 2 has been addressed. Something which I was quite looking forward to in season 3. Perhaps this could be a problem with the adaptation and/or that it is skipping out on content from the LN that gets you more acquainted with the characters and their line of thinking better. Reading the LN might give me a more favorable impression of the series overall. The anime hasn't. tl;dr : read the above. xD I would like to point out that a lot of those mysteries still haven’t been solved. Sure, the two mysterious characters are going to meet Ainz in the next volume, but Albedo’s search squad’s true purpose hasn’t been fully explained, probably because Ainz would kill her if he knew what it really was, and the only hint we know about the world item is that “Yggdrasil players just spawn in every 100 years.” The Dragon got explained in the latest volume, though, and I expect Ainz to be super pissed when he finds out the truth. |
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