| Hi guys,I'm only at episode 4 but for what I've understood as for now,the kid killed the 3 persons in the hospital trough poisoned candy. But how he could knew they where going to eat candy?! Where did he pick the poison? How did he poisoned the candy without opening the bag?! And again, how he could knew they where going to eat candy?!!!! I apologize if this was asked before,but I need the answer because it will determine if I'm going to drop this anime. So the question is:does all this have a very hard rock solid explanation or is just a huge plot hole? |
| You can't ask that while having seen only 4 episodes. Watch it and find out jezus. |
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| Soo ... you want to drop an anime because it doesnt explain a certain part in the first 4 episodes. Might aswell drop every anime out there then I guess. |
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| I can ask actually,the point is to not wasting my time watching more if it has a plot hole this big. Not asking the details like "he can poison things with the mind on the fly,is a superpower!", just asking if this plot hole has a solid explanation that make it not a plot hole. |
MarcusAseth said: I can ask actually,the point is to not wasting my time watching more if it has a plot hole this big. Not asking the details like "he can poison things with the mind on the fly,is a superpower!", just asking if this plot hole has a solid explanation that make it not a plot hole. If you're asking if it will be explained ... yes it will be. Not saying on what episode, you just have to keep watching. |
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| So you are very much positive that it isn't a plot hole at all? |
MarcusAseth said: So you are very much positive that it isn't a plot hole at all? Correct |
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| Ok,I'll keep watching then. But I swear to gods,if I watch it hall and this is still a plot hole till the end (meaning you tricked me into watching it just because it a masterpiece regardless of the plot hole) I'm going to rate it 1 and screw the whole rating! xD Thx for the help guys :) |
MarcusAseth said: Ok,I'll keep watching then. But I swear to gods,if I watch it hall and this is still a plot hole till the end (meaning you tricked me into watching it just because it a masterpiece regardless of the plot hole) I'm going to rate it 1 and screw the whole rating! xD Thx for the help guys :) Dont worry, it'll be explained, I'm not tricking you. Not saying it's a masterpiece either, it's a good show for sure though. |
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| Yes,I'm liking it so far :D Only had bad experiences with other anime that left huge plot holes behind which bother me to this day,so I don't want to repeat that stuff xD |
| this thing actually never get explained. |
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| Most of Johan manipulation doesn't get explained. The show just paints him as the embodiment of evil, almost supernatural like and stops there. |
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| The poison candy can't really be explained and is probably the biggest plothole of the entire show. It isn't impossible, but even for an incredible villain like Johan, it's just too farfetched. But the journey of Monster more than makes up issue like that. m2iceman said: tsudecimo said: Most of Johan manipulation doesn't get explained. The show just paints him as the embodiment of evil, almost supernatural like and stops there. Yep... to be honest this show is mediocre at best. Does not explain how or why does Johan do all these things. Many plot holes... Slow development... Bad sound/music Bad unimproved characters even after 70+episodes Stupid ending... - Not getting explanations of how Johan's plans and actions went out is not a flaw of the show. This is not Death Note, where you see how the "smart" character came up with incredible plans. - I'd say most of the plot holes you're thinking of can certainly be explained. Not saying it isn't flawed as there are contrivances, but I'd be interested to hear what you thought were plot holes - Slow development =/= bad - The music was perfectly fine and suited the tone and atmosphere of the show. - The characters were one of the best parts of the show. Tenma, Johan, Nina, Lunge, Eva, etc. all got stunning development throughout the show. - Stupid ending? I beg to differ. You could call it anti-climactic, but it does fits the show if you understand what it was trying to do. |
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| Another plot hole is why Johan keep delusioning about the book called "Monster without a Name". |
| Rewatching it and decided to read comments (didn't do that the first time) and found this thread. Ok... let's try to explain a little what can be explained and what not but you can for sure deduct from the entire story. The candies, can be easily injected with a syringe without opening the candy bag. Who injected those candies?? well... it could be Johan, who waked up in the night, walked to the hospital infirmary and took the substance, and injected it himself, another theory would be that he forced someone to do it (if you saw the entire story then you should know that with the experiments in Kinderheim 511 he somehow were able to hypnotize people once he knew the darkness inside them or something along those lines) And finally at first when the 3 doctors died you think is poison, but when the officers died later on the story is revealed that it wasn't POISON it was a MUSCULAR RELAXANT so while poison it might be hard to get in a hospital the relaxant certainly doesn't. Therefore i don't consider that a plot hole at all, more like a "use ur imagination and think with logic how could it be done" while thinking in the setting of the story of course. |
| I did wonder about this since it was never explained in the anime, but yeah there are many possibilities. I think it could be that he knew someone would steal the candy since alot of people in the country didnt like the family that adopted him or he had it poisoned before it was delivered as a gift..idek lmao |
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| Would you drop Shingeki no Kyojin because it's not explained what's the origin of titans in the first couple of episodes? That 'mystery' tag has it's purpose. |
Nikiforova said: Would you drop Shingeki no Kyojin because it's not explained what's the origin of titans in the first couple of episodes? That 'mystery' tag has it's purpose. I beg to differ, SNK is a fantasy, people usually give more stretch to suspension of disbelief. Forget the titan origin, how exactly those 3d maneuver devices working? That thing completely defied physics law.Monster takes place in the real world, we expected everything happen according to how things happen in our world with a little bit stretch here and there. A genius kid kills 3 people, that's acceptable, but how he knows those 3 will pick the poisoned candy? IMHO, that is actually a legit question. |
SupervisorHasira said: Nikiforova said: Would you drop Shingeki no Kyojin because it's not explained what's the origin of titans in the first couple of episodes? That 'mystery' tag has it's purpose. I beg to differ, SNK is a fantasy, people usually give more stretch to suspension of disbelief. Forget the titan origin, how exactly those 3d maneuver devices working? That thing completely defied physics law.Monster takes place in the real world, we expected everything happen according to how things happen in our world with a little bit stretch here and there. A genius kid kills 3 people, that's acceptable, but how he knows those 3 will pick the poisoned candy? IMHO, that is actually a legit question. Legit question and you will get a legit answer on it. There is a reason why Monster lasts 74 episodes. |
| Plot twist. You're all overthinking it. Johan poisoned the candy because he's a jackass. Didn't matter who stole the candy, it just happened to be the director and those 2 doctors. Anyone who steals candy from an unconscious child is scum anyways, amirite? "but wait... doesn't Johan explicitly tell Tenma the murders were an act of gratitude for resurrecting him"? Nope, Johan just took credit for their deaths after the fact. Also, if he's SOOOOO grateful for Tenma's favor, why commit all those murders in such a way that makes Tenma out to be the prime suspect? |
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| Well, if such a minor "plot hole" bothers you so much to the point of dropping such a complex and intricate show in which the main point isn't explaining the strategies of a manipulative villain, you might as well drop at least half the things you watch... -Krouton- said: Plot twist. You're all overthinking it. Johan poisoned the candy because he's a jackass. Didn't matter who stole the candy, it just happened to be the director and those 2 doctors. Anyone who steals candy from an unconscious child is scum anyways, amirite? "but wait... doesn't Johan explicitly tell Tenma the murders were an act of gratitude for resurrecting him"? Nope, Johan just took credit for their deaths after the fact. Also, if he's SOOOOO grateful for Tenma's favor, why commit all those murders in such a way that makes Tenma out to be the prime suspect? This is pretty much the most accurate reply to your question. And, as some people are saying, it's kinda easy to poison candies when you're in a hospital. Just enter some area full of medicines, take one that is poisonous enough or any random medicine at a really high dose, inject it in the candies and you're done. Edit: I've realized I've come kinda late for this LMAO. |
| I think you confuse "plot-hole" with "plot-convenience" |
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| Its just a little plot-convinience to get the story rolling. And I can guarantee its worth it. |
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PrOxAnto said: Apparently, this never got explained. Sad.MarcusAseth said: So you are very much positive that it isn't a plot hole at all? Correct |
Nah better left unexplained. |
MarcusAseth said: Hi guys,I'm only at episode 4 but for what I've understood as for now,the kid killed the 3 persons in the hospital trough poisoned candy. But how he could knew they where going to eat candy?! Where did he pick the poison? How did he poisoned the candy without opening the bag?! And again, how he could knew they where going to eat candy?!!!! I apologize if this was asked before,but I need the answer because it will determine if I'm going to drop this anime. So the question is:does all this have a very hard rock solid explanation or is just a huge plot hole? There won't be an explanation. Johan is very smart, just assume he had some way of doing it |
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| Franz Bonaparta poisoned the candies. With the same poison (nitric acid) he used in the Red Mansion. Johan took credit because personality disorder... |
revengerofdeathJun 15, 2021 2:30 PM
It's kinda tricky, but according to episode 14 the candies weren't poisoned when the package was sealed Eva went at the hospital after Johan met her sister and was able to take a picture of her father and Johan. |
revengerofdeath said: Franz Bonaparta poisoned the candies. With the same poison (nitric acid) he used in the Red Mansion. Johan took credit because personality disorder... When, why, and how? Wasn't Bonaparta in Ruhenheim at this point? Writing books and shit. Why target the director and/or doctors? Were they his target, or was it Johan? If he was targeting the directors, then it's still pretty convenient. If he was targeting Johan then what did he think was gonna happen? Ok actually that last point is believable. Could you clarify? I haven't read the novel so I'm just going off of what I see in the anime. |
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-Krouton- said: Johan did it. Don't know howrevengerofdeath said: Franz Bonaparta poisoned the candies. With the same poison (nitric acid) he used in the Red Mansion. Johan took credit because personality disorder... When, why, and how? Wasn't Bonaparta in Ruhenheim at this point? Writing books and shit. Why target the director and/or doctors? Were they his target, or was it Johan? If he was targeting the directors, then it's still pretty convenient. If he was targeting Johan then what did he think was gonna happen? Ok actually that last point is believable. Could you clarify? I haven't read the novel so I'm just going off of what I see in the anime. |
| Honestly the first time I watched it, I thought somebody from the outside was trying to poison Johan and unintentionally poisons the director and a bunch of other doctors. This plot hole and a couple of other mysterious around Johan don't get explained though. I think Naoki Urasawa created a character that was too intelligent for him to handle. Johan is a well written character by all means, it's just the execution could have been better. |
Willgenstein said: you don't need to have medical expertise to know x, y, z.This IS a plot hole. You have to assume too much absurd things in order for this to make any sense. How could Johan poison the candies if he's a 10 year old child with no medical expertise? Willgenstein said: well, he just woke up when Tenma confessed his anger to the director in front of him.Let's just go through this: - Johan was probably conscious when he did all this (this is kinda weird, since he got shot in the head not too long before this and he's supposed to be in coma) Willgenstein said: wait, why relate supernatural powers to this tbw?- He doesn't have any supernatural powers Willgenstein said: how do you know that he doesn't know about poisons?- He doesn't know anything about poisonous substances Willgenstein said: again, proof.- Nobody helps him in commiting this Willgenstein said: not necessarily. You haven't considered other possibilities.- For some reason he suspects that the doctors would eat his candy Willgenstein said: "inject every candy" that's another assumption as if that's the only way possible.- He must've inject every candy in the bag to make sure that all of them get poisoned lol Willgenstein said: you can try me. I mean so far there's nothing absurd on my part.This is just so absurd and Urasawa doesn't give us any explanation for this. If you still think that this isn't a plot hole, just ask yourself: which possibility is more likely? 1) Your 15 minute explanation which somehow manages to make things even more absurd and unreasonable Willgenstein said: or he DID NOT forget and instead left them blank intentionally which is pretty much 1) above.2) Urasawa just simply forgot about this Willgenstein said: enlighten me.And there are worse plot holes in this story than this, Willgenstein said: i watched the anime so idk about the manga but it seems this claim should be pit on hold.still a lot of fans don't want to except this and continue to call this manga realistic lmao |
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