Riddle me this: If anime really is mainstream...

What makes you think the complaints about Crunchyroll are even legitimate? Have you actually used Crunchyroll?

Likely because "mainstream" today doesn’t mean what it used to. Visibility doesn't always equate to popularity or mass consumption. But broadly Japanese Anime is not niche by any means, it really hasn't been since the 90s.

As for cost cutting, it's simple, Western platforms aren't stupid when it comes to money. A large majority of Westerners simply just pirate the Anime they consume so why would they invest in premium typesetting or high-effort subs for an audience that is largely not even paying them directly? From their perspective, it’s like decorating the buffet for people sneaking in through the back door. lol

There’d probably be a lot more incentive to improve shit like subtitles if the profits from Japanese Anime actually reflected its real audience size in the West, not just the portion that’s paying for it.

Then why can't I find people talking about the seasonals I'm watching?

Then why can't I find people talking about the seasonals I'm watching?

@thewiru Post on the seasonal forums.

@Sasori56483
I do from time to time, but the whole system is flawed.
Most posts are on episode discussion threads, there's no way to "subscribe" to specific series forums, so they're mostly dead.
Also the whole thread format here is flawed:
If I make a "series thread" on /a/, for instance, people will use it to discuss anything about the series, people will find out what to discuss over time, change subjects multiple times, etc. It works.

In here, I have to already have the subject when I create the thread, and the thread can't deviate from it.

Also, come on: Why do people from any other hobby get to have stuff spoonfed to their mouths via algorithm, but when it comes to anime ("Supposedly mainstream") I have to have in mind that I want to see posts about something and them (Metaphorically) physically move myself to a place where I'll get it?
How can one even discover new stuff that way?

Sites like Netflix would spoonfeed you anime too, if you used them.

If Crunchyroll's translation bothered you that much, then why haven't you stopped complaining and started learning Japanese and video encoding so as to start your own fansub? You're just here doing no productivity.

@SgtBateMan
>go to a restaurant
>they serve you literal feces
>you cannot complain, since you should be learning to cook instead

WTF is this logic?

@Sasori56483
I do from time to time, but the whole system is flawed.
Most posts are on episode discussion threads, there's no way to "subscribe" to specific series forums, so they're mostly dead.
Also the whole thread format here is flawed:
If I make a "series thread" on /a/, for instance, people will use it to discuss anything about the series, people will find out what to discuss over time, change subjects multiple times, etc. It works.

In here, I have to already have the subject when I create the thread, and the thread can't deviate from it.

Also, come on: Why do people from any other hobby get to have stuff spoonfed to their mouths via algorithm, but when it comes to anime ("Supposedly mainstream") I have to have in mind that I want to see posts about something and them (Metaphorically) physically move myself to a place where I'll get it?
How can one even discover new stuff that way?

And what are these hobbies, you speak of? I mean you barely interact with anything else, by your own admission.

@BilboBaggins365
IDK, there never seem to be lack of discourse for people into games, series, Hollywood movies, etc.

@thewiru ....Yeah there isn't for anime either.....IDK what you are talking about lol. Like are you just upset that long form video essays have died out for the anime community, and community engagement has shifted to short form content?

Cause even if that is the case, look I just searched up Dandadan, video essay, boom multiple videos around 80kish, that are like 50 mins long talking about it. Some guy did one for MHA that got a million. Even when you got away from battle shonen, I found plenty on The Apothecary Diaries, that hits on numerous topics. There is a dude that is doing full length reviews, for niche mecha anime, and IPs like Gundam, that are getting like 100k views, like IDK, for goodness sakes, a video game youtuber, I have watched in the past did a video on Girls Last Tour, and that got like 200k views.

That's around what you will get for many games, at least I play, for video essays. Anyway, I don't think anyone is arguing anime is more mainstream than all of Hollywood, or the biggest video games out there, it's just pretty popular relatively. Demon Slayer outsold a Superman film, can't get anymore mainstream than that (even if it's just DS it does show a trend). I regularly encounter people my age, that watch anime, which wasn't the case, when I was a pre-teen.

I mean if it's forum interaction IDK man, it kinda sucks for everything right now. I am in book spaces, gaming spaces, sports etc. They all kinda suck Art/cooking spaces have been pretty nice/helpful....still. Like what are you looking for, cause I will be honest I think like 60% of your threads, come back to some degree of loneliness and a desire for community. Which sure, I think social media is in a decline right now, though it's impacting everyone equally. I mean it's good for me, cause outside of this forum, I don't use social media much at all anymore due to eshittification, and the general hostility of the world, making it less desirable to talk to others, besides dumb topics of course.

YES, YES I AM!
HOW THE FUCK IS THERE NO LACK FOR VIDEO ESSAYS FOR, GAMES, SERIES, HOLLYWOOD MOVIES, BUT FOR ANIME, THE "SUPER-MAINSTREAM" ANIME, THERE AREN'T ALMOST ANY? HOW?

I don't watch nor am interested in either of them.

I personally like this one:


Less than 100k videos in almost an year, for what is considered a popular and successful series in a "mainstream hobby">

Am I supposed to know who you're referring to?

I just want to get posts about the seasonals I'm watching on my "For You" Twitter page.
I want that it for every anime to be like my experience with GQuuuuuuX:




I am.
I don't have people to talk to.
I don't know places where I can ask about stuff.
I don't even know places where I can ask about places to ask about stuff.

"Restaurant"? You should go to the circus instead. You almost made me laugh, boi.



Make sure to at least put some effort into a reply.

"how come HIDIVE, apparently the only platform that streams anime to still do typesetting, was only 300k users as late as 2020?"

1. HIDIVE's catalogue is way more limited and weeb centric than the catalogues of their completion.
2. Many weebs don't care much about typesetting, they just want readable text.


"People have talked about the enshittification of CR's"

And CR responded that it's a technical issue. (As the translations, those were bad from the get go.)


"And the argument as to why other streaming services won't do it is because anime was only 4-5% of NETFLIX's viewerships"

Not sure about it.
For example one of their Netflix Original Anime hits - Cyberpunk: Edgerunners practically didn't have working subs upon release. (Maybe they have fixed that nowadays). Those were simply transcript of the englush dub and didn't matched the japanese dub. Everybody was watching the english dub.
Point is, Netflix doesn't care about subs...not for animation.

And no matter how much we talk about subs, thing is, most of the mainstream watchers prefer dubs.

So yeah, you can argue about anime not being mainstream, but subs aren't that important of a criteria. For me a better criteria is how much anime movies related to bigger franchises are released worldwide...and nowadays we have more of those.

Then why can't I find people talking about the seasonals I'm watching?

@SgtBateMan
If you were smarter, you would know that a restaurant can still be sued of someone goes ill from food they threw out.
Granted, if you were smarter, you wouldn't have disagreed with my first point to begin with.

Dubtitles

Yes it is?
You won't be able to watch most anime without subs, lol.

So do I, my friend, so do I.
But it turns out you also need typesetting for that.




...did they?
This wasn't a rhetorical question, it's the first time I'm hearing this.

Who told you that crap? You are starting from a false premise. According to Netflix itself, over 50% of their global userbase watches anime. That is at least 150 million households.
https://about.netflix.com/en/news/anime-for-every-fan-fueling-new-era-global-fandom

The way they do the subtitles has nothing to do with anime being mainstream or a niche ... companies used to put a lot more work into the product when it was a niche, actually. What we have now is a symptom of late-stage capitalism, especially in the American model. Costs are not cut because they need to be, or to adjust cost a drop in revenue and stuff. It's simply done, because those companies need to deliver their financial results to the shareholders 4 times a year, and at least the 4th and final one of the year, which is the most important, needs to show growth, because otherwise the poor shareholders will feel bad in their tum tum*, throw a fit, and sell some shares - then the value of the stock will drop by 1.5% and everyone in financial mass media, social media and Youtube, will say that the company is dying, and then the CEO and the executives may not get their bonuses in full - and the CEO's and executives really care about their bonuses. In fact you could say that modern Capitalism, and the entire financial model, is build on those bonuses. Publicly traded companies don't care about consumers, only about shareholders. When they stop growing organically or have a bad quarter, they do stuff at the workers' and consumers' expense. Add to that the fact, that in this stage of capitalism, if you don't have 75% profit margins, you aren't making any profit, and that's how we got here.

You have to be either blind, or be hit in the head by a horse, to not see that anime is mainstream now.



Try to talk with them about the weather... if they don't talk with you about either, then maybe they just don't like to talk with you, and have nothing against anime XD

There's your issue. People aren't making content or discussions about the specific shows you like. It's not that anime isn't mainstream or popular, it's that your shows aren't popular.

what the fuck is HIDIVE

& also you should probably not be obsessed with these topics bro

@RainShift_2
I watch at least 10 seasonals per season.
Last season it was 20.
Can can not a single one of them be popular?

@thewiru I don't understand how you've missed all the content discussion seasonal shows?

Every big anime youtuber out there makes videos discussion seasonals.

There are posts on Reddit of hundreds of people discussing specific episodes of animes, not just full seasons. No other medium has such a dedicated community to discussing new shows. There's a new show out in the Alien franchise and that show didn't get anywhere near the level of context and discussion on it as even the 5th most popular show last season did and Alien is absolutely the definition of a mainstream franchise.

Sounds like you want specifically video essays on your shows specifically. Maybe your shows aren't interesting enough to warrant a long-form video essay?

@thewiru I don't understand how you've missed all the content discussion seasonal shows?

Every big anime youtuber out there makes videos discussion seasonals.

There are posts on Reddit of hundreds of people discussing specific episodes of animes, not just full seasons. No other medium has such a dedicated community to discussing new shows. There's a new show out in the Alien franchise and that show didn't get anywhere near the level of context and discussion on it as even the 5th most popular show last season did and Alien is absolutely the definition of a mainstream franchise.

Sounds like you want specifically video essays on your shows specifically. Maybe your shows aren't interesting enough to warrant a long-form video essay?