Vinland Saga
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| And another break next month. But conflict seems near end. |
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Reply to deg
true victory is not killing your enemies but making peace - thorfinn
if we kill our enemies will we be free? - eren
ye the difference between attack on titan and vinland saga
if we kill our enemies will we be free? - eren
ye the difference between attack on titan and vinland saga
| @deg One is seinen. The other is shonen. And it really shows. Not to hate on AoT, but there's a massive difference in both philosophy and presentation of the ideas. Plus, while Thorfinn has good intentions and I can respect that (I am somewhat a pacifist myself), his line of thinking is VERY flawed and needs a reality check. Won't be surprised if in the next chapter shit hits the fan once again |
| It'll be interesting to see what Einar has to say after he killed that Lnu earlier. It also seems the Nords also know about the new Chief. See you all in March! |
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| epic "True victory is no killing all your enemies. It's making peace with them." this chapter was really good |
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| While Thorfinn is right regarding peace, you cannot just shrug off what has already occurred or your people's feelings, you yourself brought over there promising them a better life. Thorfinn talking about leaving so casually, makes it sound easy like he is a lone traveler or something, while he brought so many people with him. Who is going to keep following someone who despite having good intentions puts always his own ideals above his own people's needs. Einar's expression says it all. Dude changed after the first kill. A friendship might be ruined for good there. |
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| Pretty sure Styrk isn't talking about actual "negotiations" with Einar there. Though Einar's response would decide the course of the things, I mean see his face once. Btw, that chief guy isn't making out alive I feel. Now to wait two months. |
Reply to UaEfAlCoN83
@deg you cannot compare
Shonen stories do not emphasize on character development much and they focus on "action" and "thrill" a lot
Vinland is a seinen that focuses on world building and character building ... Thorfinn was a killing machine but then changed ... the story here has a deeper meaning.
Honestly, I agree with "true victory is not killing your enemies but making peace" because you can your enemy but lose most of your people, money, infrastructure, etc., which is not a true victory. Peace is always better than war
Shonen stories do not emphasize on character development much and they focus on "action" and "thrill" a lot
Vinland is a seinen that focuses on world building and character building ... Thorfinn was a killing machine but then changed ... the story here has a deeper meaning.
Honestly, I agree with "true victory is not killing your enemies but making peace" because you can your enemy but lose most of your people, money, infrastructure, etc., which is not a true victory. Peace is always better than war
UaEfAlCoN83 said: But AOT focus on character development a lot. Shonen stories do not emphasize on character development much and they focus on "action" and "thrill" a lot Vinland Saga and AOT both have different philosophy which fits perfectly in their own series. |
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@ZXEAN What character development in AOT? Very superficial development ... it is a things in shonen they don't want authors to focus on logical character development it is mostly "get stronger", "revenge", "for the sake of my friends". In shonen you want the characters to appeal to younger generations; developing the character's personality ruins it for viewers who got attached to the character because of its original personality.
Development is what they call "a character arc", which is "the transformation or inner journey of a character over the course of a story". In Action shonen, it is about getting stronger only and that's very superficial. Some people might disagree but this is my take.
When watching Aot and other shonen stories, you never wait for "character development" you mostly look for the fights and how the story would turn out, no one says "I am looking forward to how X character would develop" as that development is usually limited to power.
It doesn't mean AoT is bad, it is just that this is how it works for shonen magazines; directors used to force authors not to change characters significantly or kill loved characters because they just care about the money and younger generations drop mangas for the slightest reason.
Many anime watchers hated Vinland saga 2 because Thorfinn's character changed and they only wanted a "bad-ass" version of Thorfinn.
Again, this is just my opinion based on the differences I observed between shonen and seinen
Development is what they call "a character arc", which is "the transformation or inner journey of a character over the course of a story". In Action shonen, it is about getting stronger only and that's very superficial. Some people might disagree but this is my take.
When watching Aot and other shonen stories, you never wait for "character development" you mostly look for the fights and how the story would turn out, no one says "I am looking forward to how X character would develop" as that development is usually limited to power.
It doesn't mean AoT is bad, it is just that this is how it works for shonen magazines; directors used to force authors not to change characters significantly or kill loved characters because they just care about the money and younger generations drop mangas for the slightest reason.
Many anime watchers hated Vinland saga 2 because Thorfinn's character changed and they only wanted a "bad-ass" version of Thorfinn.
Again, this is just my opinion based on the differences I observed between shonen and seinen
| @UaEfAlCoN83 Attack on Titan isn't like your typical Shounen series. Anyway here I am not gonna explain how it defer from other series or explain the character development of each characters since I am not that good at it but There are countless YouTube video explaining that if you are interested you can check those out. |
Reply to UaEfAlCoN83
@ZXEAN Bro I watched AoT and hundreds of shonen for me it was the same. If I need a youtube video to explain the character development this shows that the author failed at conveying it to the reader/watcher.
Again it is just an opinion doesn't change anything in the world. People perceive things differently which is why we have all these different stories out there because people are not the same.
Again it is just an opinion doesn't change anything in the world. People perceive things differently which is why we have all these different stories out there because people are not the same.
| @UaEfAlCoN83 Understandable but I strongly disagree with your statement moreover Shounen doesn't means only action it's a demography with wide range. UaEfAlCoN83 said: I even watched YouTube videos to understand Thorfinn's character so judging by your logic I can say the same thing about Vinland Saga as well.If I need a youtube video to explain the character development this shows that the author failed at conveying it to the reader/watcher UaEfAlCoN83 said: Agree 💯Again it is just an opinion doesn't change anything in the world. People perceive things differently which is why we have all these different stories out there because people are not the same. |
| Damn, it’s really ending. Could only have a few more chapters left now… |
| Penguins are funny |
| Thorfinn will probably try to avoid it at all costs but... someone, please, punch Einar... Can't wait to see Thorfinn and Hild's reaction to this shift in his demeanor though |
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Reply to deg
true victory is not killing your enemies but making peace - thorfinn
if we kill our enemies will we be free? - eren
ye the difference between attack on titan and vinland saga
if we kill our enemies will we be free? - eren
ye the difference between attack on titan and vinland saga
| @deg If we're keeping it a buck 50, both of them are valid...One is just morally wrong The thing here is that Isayama made his story be "Kill or be killed", whereas with Yuki, his story was always about forgiveness and being the better man without needing to resort to violence because of the emptiness that can follow |
TokoyaFeb 12, 7:30 AM
| Viking man with 21st century pacifist mindset. Love to see it. Only ending that makes sense if Thorfinns entire village got massacred. |
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| Thorfin knows teh truth but there are people that don´t want surrender!!! kekeke |
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